.Lennox Lewis
.Larry Holmes
.Riddick Bowe
.Gene Tunney
.Mike Tyson

In head to head match up's how do you feel Frazier would do against these fighters in there primes?

predictions?????

Lennox Lewis - lewis within 8
Larry Holmes - holmes by UD or late on cuts
Riddick Bowe - toss up
Gene Tunney - frazier by KO within 7
Mike Tyson - tyson can catch him early, but if he doesnt stop joe within 6 joe takes him out at the end of the fight. ill have to go with tyson based on styles, even though i consider frazier a better fighter.

Lennox Lewis - Frazier by UD or KO late rounds (Lewis tires and although he has good pop I think Frazier would survive)
Larry Holmes - Frazier by UD or SD
Riddick Bowe - Bowe by TKO (he stopped Holyfield..)
Gene Tunney - Frazier by KO
Mike Tyson - Tyson by KO, or Frazier by decision, first option I'm leaning towards more.

.Lennox Lewis
.Larry Holmes
.Riddick Bowe
.Gene Tunney
.Mike Tyson

In head to head match up's how do you feel Frazier would do against these fighters in there primes?

predictions?????

Frazier's body work would slow down Holmes,Bowe,and Tunney.I see Frazier wearing them down with his body work and KO'ing them around rounds 11-13.Tunney probably a little earlier.

Tyson is a fast starter,and KO's a slow starting Joe Frazier within' 2 rounds.

I believe a Frazier-Lewis fight would be a toss-up.....Either Lewis gets Frazier early,or Joe's body work and great pressure wears down Lewis for a late round TKO or UD.

.Lennox Lewis
.Larry Holmes
.Riddick Bowe
.Gene Tunney
.Mike Tyson

In head to head match up's how do you feel Frazier would do against these fighters in there primes?

predictions?????

KOs Lewis
Toss up fight with Holmes, goes the distance
Gets decisioned by Bowe
KOs Tunney like Dempsey would have if he was prime
Gets KOed by Tyson

Lewis v Frazier -- Frazier KO3
Holmes vs Frazier --Frazier KO4
Bowe vs Frazier --- Frazier KO9
Tunney vs Frazier --Frazier PTS15 - split-dec
Tyson vs Frazier ---Frazier KO4

Lewis v Frazier -- Frazier KO3
Holmes vs Frazier --Frazier KO4
Bowe vs Frazier --- Frazier KO9
Tunney vs Frazier --Frazier PTS15 - split-dec
Tyson vs Frazier ---Frazier KO4


Just cuz Frazier beat Ali's ass dosn't mean he beats everyone's ass. Tunney is the weakest opponent on the list, yet he earns a split decision to you...

Lewis v Frazier -- Frazier KO3
Holmes vs Frazier --Frazier KO4
Bowe vs Frazier --- Frazier KO9
Tunney vs Frazier --Frazier PTS15 - split-dec
Tyson vs Frazier ---Frazier KO4

I wonder who your favourite boxer is? lol

Lennox Lewis - I dunno, Lewis had a good pop to his punches, a great uppercut, a punishing right hand and some speed. But i just dont see lewis Ko'ing a prime frazier, Frazier took foremans punches (even though he went down 6 times) and managed to stand up every time, i dont believe lewis would have enough to keep him down but if he can keep frazier at the end of his punches then i could see lewis by UD, i believe it would depend if it was a 15 round fight or a 12, if it was 15 i see joe winning, 12: personally i could also see joe winning unless lewis did'nt allow him to get close. So i will say this is a toss up mainly becuase Lewis was'nt AMAZING at keeping guys at a distance (shown in the mercer fight).

Larry Holmes - holmes had a good jab, thats about all i know about him so i cant really make an accurate judgement on who would win

Riddick Bowe - Bowe was able to stop holyfield who in my opinion has one of the biggest hearts of all time, but holyfield did'nt fight like frazier and i could see fraziers constant body attack and head movement creating a problem for bowe

Gene Tunney - joe by Ko

Mike Tyson - Tyson vs Frazier! in my opinion it would be a great fight! but i believe a prime tyson would come into the fight and meet an unexpected surprise, a fighter who is not afraid of him: Joe Frazier, If it went into an inside fight (which it most likely would) i could see joe's constant pressure and rock hard chin creating a problem for Tyson, if Tyson was'nt able to knockout frazier in 4 rounds then i believe Frazier would win by KO

Lewis Ko 6 Frazier
Holmes UD Frazier
Bowe Ko 8 Frazier
Tyson Ko 3 Frazier
Frazier Ko 9 Tunney

I wonder who your favourite boxer is? lol

Muhammad Ali is my fav boxer followed by Ezzard Charles

Just cuz Frazier beat Ali's ass dosn't mean he beats everyone's ass. Tunney is the weakest opponent on the list, yet he earns a split decision to you...

Frazier did not only beat Muhammad ali, they fought 3 great fights and Frazier was in there holding his own for 40rds, Frazier also beat a prime Bonavena (twice) Quarry (twice) stopped Chuvalo which very few could do, he KOd Jimmy Ellis (twice) KOd Mathis, beat Bugner and KOd Eddie Machen which was a feat in its self, Smokin`Joe Frazier was a top 10 ATG fighter and the guys on the `match-up` list just dont qualify as huge threats to Frazier.. Gene Tunney had the style and ability to hang-in there for the 15rds the others did not and Frazier would `bomb them out`...prime Frazier was a relentless and destructive fighting machine`...excuses are always made for the 2 loses Lennox Lewis suffered "fast count, under-trained, lucky punch etc etc" but dont forget that Joe Frazier fought his last 8 fights wearing contact lenses and was blind in one eye..his losses to a prime George Foreman there was legitamate excuses, Frazier was 15lbs over-weight after being on a world tour with his blues band, he was `fat as a pig` for their 1st fight, their 2nd fight was after the "Thriller in Manilla" need i say more.

Lewis v Frazier -- Frazier KO3
Holmes vs Frazier --Frazier KO4
Bowe vs Frazier --- Frazier KO9
Tunney vs Frazier --Frazier PTS15 - split-dec
Tyson vs Frazier ---Frazier KO4

I wonder who your favourite boxer is? lol

Muhammad Ali is my fav boxer followed by Ezzard Charles

The logic is Ali > Everyone, Frazier beat Ali's ass, Frazier > Everyone but Ali.

I was way ahead of picking that up Mersey. Ali worshipers generally rate Frazier incredibly high. It's a means to justify Ali's mediocre performances. ;)

The logic is Ali > Everyone, Frazier beat Ali's ass, Frazier > Everyone but Ali.

I was way ahead of picking that up Mersey. Ali worshipers generally rate Frazier incredibly high. It's a means to justify Ali's mediocre performances. ;)

are you saying Muhammad Ali`s performances against Joe Frazier was "mediocre`?

The logic is Ali > Everyone, Frazier beat Ali's ass, Frazier > Everyone but Ali.

I was way ahead of picking that up Mersey. Ali worshipers generally rate Frazier incredibly high. It's a means to justify Ali's mediocre performances. ;)

name me a heavyweight fighter who`s performances was greater or on a par with those of Muhammad Ali ?

name me a heavyweight fighter who`s performances was greater or on a par with those of Muhammad Ali ?

performances or resume? I can name plenty of fighters who performed as well or even better than him in certain fights.

Geroge Foreman did a hell of a better job than Ali did to Frazier.

performances or resume? I can name plenty of fighters who performed as well or even better than him in certain fights.

Geroge Foreman did a hell of a better job than Ali did to Frazier.
thats like saying "Hector Camacho did a better job on Sugar Ray Leonard than Roberto Duran did"

performances or resume? I can name plenty of fighters who performed as well or even better than him in certain fights.

Geroge Foreman did a hell of a better job than Ali did to Frazier.
name me some fighters who would have stood up too Foreman in Jamaica and Zaire

name me some fighters who would have stood up too Foreman in Jamaica and Zaire

Jimmy Young :boxing:

Jimmy Young :boxing:
Jimmy Young was Foremans final fight before his retirement and was 5yrs after Jamaica and 3yrs after Zaire...also Frazier would `murder` Jimmy Young

I think the Lewis fight would've been a toss up fight. Lewis was a really big heavyweight, one of the first really good big heavyweights, 6'5, very long arms and he knew how to use his size to his advantage. With decent sized ring where he would've been able to use his reach and step around like he liked to do and clinch on the inside, he could've won this fight. Then again, Frazier could move past the jab with his head movement and work Lewis over to the body to slow Lewis down. The rounds of this fight could play a big factor because Frazier was a slow starter, normally took him 4 or 5 rounds to get going which means he might be behind on the cards through 12. In a 15 round fight, he might get the decision or even stop Lewis. Close fight either way though IMO. I also wouldn't have been surprised if Frazier went down early from a Lewis uppercut, Frazier could get caught cold, especially with the uppercut.

Holmes-Frazier could've been a great fight. This fight would be very, very similar to the Ali-Frazier fights except Holmes wasn't as quick on his feet at Ali which means this fight could have some great exchanges in the mid rounds. Close decision fight that could either way again.

Bowe liked to fight on the inside way too much for his own good against a guy like Frazier, if he kept on the outside and stayed there he would have a decent chance of winning but he got lured into brawls too often and elected to stand on the inside too much, Frazier would take advantage of that. Frazier late stoppage.

I think Frazier would've knocked Tunney out in about 9 or 10 rounds, Tunney would've probably been able to box well early but once Frazier came on I think Tunney would take some punishment. Frazier knockout within 9.

2 results for a Tyson fight IMO, Tyson early knockout or Frazier mid to late knockout. If Frazier can get past the first 4 or 5 rounds without getting caught cold, he wins the fight.

I think the Lewis fight would've been a toss up fight. Lewis was a really big heavyweight, one of the first really good big heavyweights, 6'5, very long arms and he knew how to use his size to his advantage. With decent sized ring where he would've been able to use his reach and step around like he liked to do and clinch on the inside, he could've won this fight. Then again, Frazier could move past the jab with his head movement and work Lewis over to the body to slow Lewis down. The rounds of this fight could play a big factor because Frazier was a slow starter, normally took him 4 or 5 rounds to get going which means he might be behind on the cards through 12. In a 15 round fight, he might get the decision or even stop Lewis. Close fight either way though IMO. I also wouldn't have been surprised if Frazier went down early from a Lewis uppercut, Frazier could get caught cold, especially with the uppercut.

Holmes-Frazier could've been a great fight. This fight would be very, very similar to the Ali-Frazier fights except Holmes wasn't as quick on his feet at Ali which means this fight could have some great exchanges in the mid rounds. Close decision fight that could either way again.

Bowe liked to fight on the inside way too much for his own good against a guy like Frazier, if he kept on the outside and stayed there he would have a decent chance of winning but he got lured into brawls too often and elected to stand on the inside too much, Frazier would take advantage of that. Frazier late stoppage.

I think Frazier would've knocked Tunney out in about 9 or 10 rounds, Tunney would've probably been able to box well early but once Frazier came on I think Tunney would take some punishment. Frazier knockout within 9.

2 results for a Tyson fight IMO, Tyson early knockout or Frazier mid to late knockout. If Frazier can get past the first 4 or 5 rounds without getting caught cold, he wins the fight.
since when was Frazier a slow starter? he bombed-out Bob Foster in 2rds, his fight with Quarry (1) was a slugfest from the opening bell, if McCall & Rahman can put Lewis lights out then Frazier would break him in half

Jimmy Young was Foremans final fight before his retirement and was 5yrs after Jamaica and 3yrs after Zaire...also Frazier would `murder` Jimmy Young

It was just over 4 years for Jamaica and two and a half years for Zaire. Point is, George was 28 and still in his prime when he fought and lost to Young. Don't try to make it sound like he was some washed up old fighter before Young, because that simply wouldn't be true.

It was just over 4 years for Jamaica and two and a half years for Zaire. Point is, George was 28 and still in his prime when he fought and lost to Young. Don't try to make it sound like he was some washed up old fighter before Young, because that simply wouldn't be true.
i never insinuated George was washed-up, IMO Foreman beat Young and Muhammad Ali easily beat Young...

i never insinuated George was washed-up, IMO Foreman beat Young and Muhammad Ali easily beat Young...

Fair enough. I would however like to know how you had George beating Young?

Bowe tko round 7 - Frazier is small enough and stupid enough to play right into bowe's hands and a prime bowe had good stamina and fraziers inside hooks(which ius what he would need in this particular matchup)were mediocre considering his reputation of the punch

Tyson ko round 4 - It is often said tyson is the most dangerous 4 round fighter in the history of boxing,He makes a strong argument.Frazier wasn't the fastest of starters there were times when he looked very slow and sluggish during the early rounds and there is simply no way his suspect chin holds up to tyson's early onslought

Tunney decision - Tunney was't a one dimensional boxer.He is often regarded as a mover with a very good jab(which he was and had)but he was also a good body puncher,possesed a very good chin and was as tough as they came.He is often compared to ali,But if anything ali should be compared to him,He didn't have quite the physical atributes ali had(which heavyweight did?)but he was everything ali should have been.Frazier was open to being countered which ali did,which bonavena did,All tunney has to do is work behind his jab and move and he wins a fairly comfortable decision

Lewis ko round 5 - People will try to use lewis struggling against ray mercer here but it's not a good comparison,Lewis leveled mercer with bombs during that fight,his chin is far superior to fraziers.Mercer's best punch of that fight was the jab add that with the constant pressure and mercer's power and it's a troubling fight for anyone,frazier wouldn't find a way past lewis's jab and there is no way in hell he takes lewis's right hand,Lewis at his absolute best is a near complete boxer

Larry holmes decision - holmes dominates the fight using constand movement and his piston jab to confuse and keep frazier at bay.Holmes had good enough stamina and a good enough chin to almost shut frazier out on the scorecards.Holmes should and would still be wary of fraziers pressure and his endurance so I doubt he would look for a knockout.Just a one sided,somewhat cautious fight


Geroge Foreman did a hell of a better job than Ali did to Frazier.

It's a good job he did too.Otherwise frazier and his delusional followers would have found someway to discredit those wins had foreman won on a decision

his losses to a prime George Foreman there was legitamate excuses, Frazier was 15lbs over-weight after being on a world tour with his blues band, he was `fat as a pig` for their 1st fight, their 2nd fight was after the "Thriller in Manilla" need i say more.

The only legitimate excuse frazier has for losing to foreman was the fact that for the first time in his career he fought a legitimate puncher and that his chin was suspect,Frazier did all he could to avoid a match with foreman in the first place but it was one duckage too many this time and he couldn't escape.Frazier had nothing to lose the second time around,he had some delusional experts ranking him as an all time top ten great at that point and he knew that he had absolutely no chance of ever beating foreman

Frazier also beat a prime Bonavena (twice).

I have seen only highlights of frazier-bonavena 2 so for now I shall reserve judgement.Howvever you should go watch their first fight before making such a statement

thats like saying "Hector Camacho did a better job on Sugar Ray Leonard than Roberto Duran did"

No it's not, Leonard was completely past it when he fought Camacho, Frazier wasn't as his best either, but I seriously doubt that if he had come in at 204 he would have some lasted 15 rounds and won. If anything he might not even be able to get up.

since when was Frazier a slow starter? he bombed-out Bob Foster in 2rds, his fight with Quarry (1) was a slugfest from the opening bell, if McCall & Rahman can put Lewis lights out then Frazier would break him in half

He was normally a slow starter, sure he had some fights where the action got started from the first bell but for the most part he was a slow starter, against Ali in their fights, against Bonavena in both their fights, especially the first one and more. The guy took a few rounds to warm up.