I just read on one womans boxing sites that Ann Wolf is going to fight a man on Pay for view. Ann is a monster puncher she just might one few woman out there that can knock out a good male fighter.
Vincent

I just read on one womans boxing sites that Ann Wolf is going to fight a man on Pay for view. Ann is a monster puncher she just might one few woman out there that can knock out a good male fighter.
Vincent


Good for her.. I guess that arrogant little loud mouth Laila Ali is still ducking her.. We know who the real female champ is.. Go get em Ann

Hmm that could be interesting. Isnt Tonya Harding supposed to be fighting soon also? I just want to see her get beat the hell up. Wolf/Rijker would be fun to see too if Ali keeps ducking

I wanna see her knock out John Ruiz.

That rules out Camacho Jr or Anthony Mundine

I expect it to end badly for Wolfe, unless she's entering the ring with a very softhanded fighter.

This kind of stuff is a tragedy just waiting to happen. I remember a fight a few years go when a woman fought a slug of a man and won. This guy was pathetic in most every way when looking at a fighter.

Plain and simple, women should not box men. The natural strength difference is just too much. Yeah, she might get by this slug (assuming they will match her the same way as the other woman) but what happens if she gets real HYPE from this fight and people actually start believing that woman can compete with men on an even level in the fight game. Sometime in the future one woman will get this hype and be matched with a real male fighter, it could be tragic. All of this non sense will only stop when a woman is beaten to death by a man.

These kind of promotions are only going to damage boxings already flawed public perception. To me it was bad enough that butterbean became a main event attraction. Now they have basically amatuer women competing on television as professionals. It reminds me of an undercard bout on a card that i fought on in Lansing. Jeff "the belly" somethin'. This guy was pittyfull and got dropped quickly. How low can we go.

Like I said this is trouble brewing. Will it take the death of a woman before these promotors come to their senses. I hope not..........Rockin'

This kind of stuff is a tragedy just waiting to happen. I remember a fight a few years go when a woman fought a slug of a man and won. This guy was pathetic in most every way when looking at a fighter.

Plain and simple, women should not box men. The natural strength difference is just too much. Yeah, she might get by this slug (assuming they will match her the same way as the other woman) but what happens if she gets real HYPE from this fight and people actually start believing that woman can compete with men on an even level in the fight game. Sometime in the future one woman will get this hype and be matched with a real male fighter, it could be tragic. All of this non sense will only stop when a woman is beaten to death by a man.

These kind of promotions are only going to damage boxings already flawed public perception. To me it was bad enough that butterbean became a main event attraction. Now they have basically amatuer women competing on television as professionals. It reminds me of an undercard bout on a card that i fought on in Lansing. Jeff "the belly" somethin'. This guy was pittyfull and got dropped quickly. How low can we go.

Like I said this is trouble brewing. Will it take the death of a woman before these promotors come to their senses. I hope not..........Rockin'



Outstanding asessment. Women simply aren't "built for combat", while men are, and anyone that starts thinking otherwise is in for a rude, ****ing awakening.

Wolfe is going to get destroyed if the guy is a little good..

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Date Posted: 15:47:00 02/23/05 Wed
Author: Dee Williams
Subject: Ann Wolfe to fight man in Mississippi?

Cross-gender fight in the works

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/boxing/2005/feb/23/518338177.html

By Dan Kulin
<dan@lasvegassun.com>
LAS VEGAS SUN

What is being billed as perhaps the first "real" boxing match between a man and woman in the United States was given the green light on Tuesday by the Mississippi Athletic Commission, said Las Vegas-based political consultant and boxing promoter Tony Dane, who is arranging the fight.

The professional fight would feature Ann Wolfe, a top female boxer who has won seven titles and boxed in four weight classes, against a yet to be determined man. The match will probably be held over the Fourth of July weekend, Dane said, adding that the exact date and arena still need to be decided.

"She's a top-ranked fighter if not the best in the world," Mississippi Athletic Commission Chairman Jon Lewis said. "I approved it because she's someone we feel safe with doing this. She probably could win. I've seen her fight. She's tough."

Lewis said he and another commissioner approved the fight on Tuesday. The three-member commission will also have to OK the date, location and Wolfe's opponent, which Dane and Lewis said were mere formalities following the approval on Tuesday.

"He's on the go to have a bout," Lewis said.

Wolfe said she needs the competition and the paycheck that would come with such a fight.

"I'm not doing this for a clown show or for a publicity stunt," Wolfe said. "I have to do what I have to do to feed my kids and I'm at the top of the females' game so what's on top of that?"

Dane said Wolfe will probably make more than $100,000 from the fight, which he expects will air on pay-per view.

Dane said he's now in the process of finding a man to fight Wolfe.

"I want it to be a competitive fight. If it goes to the scorecard I want people to argue over who won it," Dane said.

Dane is perhaps best known around Las Vegas for his recent work as the political consultant who helped former Las Vegas City Councilwoman Janet Moncrief win her first election in 2003.

Dane eventually testified before a grand jury looking into questionable campaign activity, and Moncrief was ultimately charged criminally for allegedly filing false campaign finance reports. Moncrief has since been ousted by a recall election and agreed to pay $5,000 to settle the case.

Dane said he has been promoting boxing matches in the Ukraine since 2002, and the Wolfe vs. man fight would be his first match in the United States.

"The part that's exciting for me is it's going to make history. It's something that's going to be remembered for years like when Billy Jean King beat Bobby Riggs," Dane said. "This is something that's going to be remembered for years. I don't know who the second woman to play a man in tennis was but I know the first."

Dane said he contacted Wolfe about four months ago hoping to promote one of her fights, and found that other women wouldn't fight her anymore.

Dane, Lewis and Wolfe said they think Wolfe's will be the first professional fight between a man and a woman, at least in North America.

"I think a lady fought a man before but it was a clown show," Wolfe said.

Dane said some people may criticize a man vs. woman match, "but to the naysayers I say they need to see Ann fight."

Wolfe, who trains in Austin, Texas, where she also lives with her two daughters, said she doesn't think gender should prevent her from making a living in boxing.

"I'm trying to feed my kids," said Wolfe, who was once homeless.

"Besides, I beat the hell out of guys everyday," Wolfe said, referring to her training sessions. "I hit hard, like a dude."

Wolfe has 18 wins, 12 by knockout, and one loss in her six-year professional boxing career. Wolfe has fought and won titles at 154, 160, 168, and 175 pounds.

She now weighs about 170 pounds, and said she would like to weigh 160 pounds "to be at the top of my game" for her next fight.

"I don't think I can fight the top of the top males, but an average good fighter, yes," Wolfe said. "I want somebody to bring out the best in my ability. To show the skills I have. I want the world to see what I can do."

This is wrong on so many levels. If they cant sell womens boxing, they need to quit. Im tired of having womens boxing pushed down my throat. ESPN and Fox seem pretty damn determined to make womens boxing a go. The idea of a woman fighting a man already suggest that women fighting other women is getting uninteresting. And you know this dude wont be able to fight to save his life. They are just trying to make the point that Ann's tough. Of course she's tough, I take nothing away from that. I hope boxing credentials dont slip beneath the likes of the WWE or F what ever the pro wrestlers are calling themselves now.

i think women r going a little overboard on this o we can do it to stuff

Outstanding asessment. Women simply aren't "built for combat", while men are, and anyone that starts thinking otherwise is in for a rude, ****ing awakening.
dude watch what you say that ****** warrior spirit will call you a bigot then beg R Reeno to ban you. Seriously watch out bro!

[QUOTE=Eyeh8you]dude watch what you say that ****** warrior spirit will call you a bigot then beg R Reeno to ban you. Seriously watch out bro![/QUOTE


LOL>> That's true.. Get some Kleenex for Warrior Spirit he might start to cry

dude watch what you say that ****** warrior spirit will call you a bigot then beg R Reeno to ban you. Seriously watch out bro!


What did I write there that I could possibly be banned for? Other than profanity (hey, this is a fight forum...if we can't live with profanity, it's time to call it a day), there's only fact. <shrug> I don't think I'd ever be banned for stating a simple biological fact, but if I did, then I don't need to be visiting this forum anyway.

tough luck for the guy that fights her eh? I cant imagine goin into the ring against a girl. What if her power shot managed to hurt the fighter and he gets pissed and fires a combo and knocks her the **** out? imagine what people will say about him... The easy way to solve this is to put her against someone who cant punch- spinks

What did I write there that I could possibly be banned for? Other than profanity (hey, this is a fight forum...if we can't live with profanity, it's time to call it a day), there's only fact. <shrug> I don't think I'd ever be banned for stating a simple biological fact, but if I did, then I don't need to be visiting this forum anyway.
Hey im not sayin you said aything wrong. But if you say anything that is not PC this *** warrior spirit (she is kinda new) will call you a sexist or biggot or racist and ***** to the point Rick Reenobanns you or closes yer post! Seriously! She is like most typical liberals labels you as the intolerant one but the second she doesnt agree w/ya she'll call you a punk or a *** or etc.......
Typically liberal***!

I just read on one womans boxing sites that Ann Wolf is going to fight a man on Pay for view. Ann is a monster puncher she just might one few woman out there that can knock out a good male fighter.
Vincent




Women's boxing in general is hard to take seriously...when I watch competition of any kind...I wanna see the best person with the best natural abilities square off. It's a fact that women on average by nature are not as physically gifted as men. So why should I watch women's boxing knowing that these are not the absolute best athletes put into competition. Also this freak show fight of this man against this woman is nothing but some lame politically correct equality bull****. Let's cut the crap...Men are better at some things than women...and women are better at some things than men.

Men are better at some things than women...and women are better at some things than men.
I know my wife can fold my shirts fukin awsome, while my folding job looks awful!

I would love to see a female KTFO'd on national PPV television if that's what it takes to get this atrocity of a sport off of T.V.

WOmen's boxing is NOT A SPORT!!!

PLEASE OH PLEASE LET ME FIGHT ANN WOLFE!!!

Don't believe a word of it, at least not until I talk to Brian Young of Prizefight Boxing, (she is signed with them after all)I was just with the guys from Prizefight all last weekend, and they didn't mention a thing about it to me, and for something like this, I am sure they would have.

This Promoter "Dane" can't just decide to put her in a fight against a man and neither can the brand new Mississippi Commish. Jon Lewis, they have to go through Prizefight Promotions, Wolfe is their fighter....

Don't believe a word of it, at least not until I talk to Brian Young of Prizefight Boxing, (she is signed with them after all)I was just with the guys from Prizefight all last weekend, and they didn't mention a thing about it to me, and for something like this, I am sure they would have.

This Promoter "Dane" can't just decide to put her in a fight against a man and neither can the brand new Mississippi Commish. Jon Lewis, they have to go through Prizefight Promotions, Wolfe is their fighter....
:scared: I hope you're right. This kind of crap *****s a really bad light on the sport of boxing. :scared: As if Butterbean wasn't bad enough. :confused:

This could be a competitive fight, it just depends on who the guy is.

Even though Spinks is though of as feather fisted, and he would be outweighed by about 15 -20 pounds, he will still knock her out in a few rounds. In fact, you could go all the way down to the 120 pound fighters who will break her down, like Rafeal Marquez.

For this fight to be competive, the guy needs to be some old (~40) journeyman with a pretty even record (30-30) and be fighting in a lower weight class by about 30 pounds.

This sounds like a pretty bad idea, but if it was on, I would watch it.

Hell, I'd take her on for $100,000! They can label me all the woman beating bastards under the sun for $100k! If I got my ass kicked, what the hell, I still got $100k!

Lol :D

im fearign that if thing does comes through and ann gets really KTRO there will be some sort of women upraising to get rid of boxing... and if she wins there gonna want ali vs klitschko

if her opponent is weak with no amatuer expereince and little skill, she'll do OK... i remember on celebrity boxing when chyna fought joey buttafuco(a big guy) and did really well despite being outwieghed...

ali is a str8 ***** they way shes ducking wolfe... whats worse is wolfe lost to someone ali beat...

if her opponent is weak with no amatuer expereince and little skill, she'll do OK... i remember on celebrity boxing when chyna fought joey buttafuco(a big guy) and did really well despite being outwieghed...

ali is a str8 ***** they way shes ducking wolfe... whats worse is wolfe lost to someone ali beat...


she has already valire mafhood beat her once and ali whoop this chick twice i think

Give her a lighter guy like Raf Marquez. You think a top quality Batam weight could take her out at 175 and him at 122?

I wanna see her knock out John Ruiz.


Hell yea, I'd pay double to see that ****!

This kind of stuff is a tragedy just waiting to happen. I remember a fight a few years go when a woman fought a slug of a man and won. This guy was pathetic in most every way when looking at a fighter.

Plain and simple, women should not box men. The natural strength difference is just too much. Yeah, she might get by this slug (assuming they will match her the same way as the other woman) but what happens if she gets real HYPE from this fight and people actually start believing that woman can compete with men on an even level in the fight game. Sometime in the future one woman will get this hype and be matched with a real male fighter, it could be tragic. All of this non sense will only stop when a woman is beaten to death by a man.

These kind of promotions are only going to damage boxings already flawed public perception. To me it was bad enough that butterbean became a main event attraction. Now they have basically amatuer women competing on television as professionals. It reminds me of an undercard bout on a card that i fought on in Lansing. Jeff "the belly" somethin'. This guy was pittyfull and got dropped quickly. How low can we go.

Like I said this is trouble brewing. Will it take the death of a woman before these promotors come to their senses. I hope not..........Rockin'

Seconded, save this type of **** for Celebrity Boxing - thx.

I laugh when I hear the bull**** that is frequently posed on this forum. Anne Wolf is not your average women; she has the musculature of a male athlete as well as authentic one punch KO power. I have seen her fight and she is probably the most dangerous female boxer alive today. If a male boxer, even a top one, took her right hand to the jaw he would get dropped, possibly KO'ed. I'm not saying she'll win this fight because I don't know how well she will take a man's punch but I am confident her explosive right hand could put anyone down at her size, regardless of their gender. The armchair warriors on this forum would be in for a rude awakening if they were to actually get into the ring with her, even just to spar.

Sorry guys, I know it's difficult to believe, but there are some women out there that would kick the crap out of the average guy posting on an internet forum.

I laugh when I hear the bull**** that is frequently posed on this forum. Anne Wolf is not your average women; she has the musculature of a male athlete as well as authentic one punch KO power. I have seen her fight and she is probably the most dangerous female boxer alive today. If a male boxer, even a top one, took her right hand to the jaw he would get dropped, possibly KO'ed. I'm not saying she'll win this fight because I don't know how well she will take a man's punch but I am confident her explosive right hand could put anyone down at her size, regardless of their gender. The armchair warriors on this forum would be in for a rude awakening if they were to actually get into the ring with her, even just to spar.

Sorry guys, I know it's difficult to believe, but there are some women out there that would kick the crap out of the average guy posting on an internet forum.


yo joking right?

Some of you are some hatin' mofos. It's ridiculous. You know for a fact these people aren't dumb and they won't have their fighter getting beat up.

Maybe you should ask the question, "What if Ann Wolfe knocks out a man?".

It can happen. There are some tough women out there so don't hate. Lucia Rijker fights very well, and is very schooled like any good fighter. Don't hate on a woman or her sport just because she's a woman. Some women can fight. Damn, what year is this anyway, 1950?

im not saying she cant but ann wolfe knock out a top person no ****ing way

im not saying she cant but ann wolfe knock out a top person no ****ing way
how do u think shed do against Sturm

how do u think shed do against Sturm


a real man wouldnt fight nor hit a lady ;)

I laugh when I hear the bull**** that is frequently posed on this forum. Anne Wolf is not your average women; she has the musculature of a male athlete as well as authentic one punch KO power. I have seen her fight and she is probably the most dangerous female boxer alive today. If a male boxer, even a top one, took her right hand to the jaw he would get dropped, possibly KO'ed. I'm not saying she'll win this fight because I don't know how well she will take a man's punch but I am confident her explosive right hand could put anyone down at her size, regardless of their gender. The armchair warriors on this forum would be in for a rude awakening if they were to actually get into the ring with her, even just to spar.

Sorry guys, I know it's difficult to believe, but there are some women out there that would kick the crap out of the average guy posting on an internet forum.

Huh? I'm not propsing I'd have a better chance in the ring with Bernard Hopkins than Anne Wolf, I'm just saying she (as well of any of you that buy the hype) is delusional if she thinks she can hang with top Male Boxers. If Hopkins let me have a free shot I have a great chance of knocking him out...chances are once we get in the ring I'm gonna be punching lots of air though. Your point is irrelevant, in other words.

this fight will be a ridiculous novelty bout in which ann will look bad either way. She needs to fight Ali (if she can get the fight), she'd have more credibilaty as the official champ of womens boxing than as a female boxer who beats up weak men.

Warped,

I'm not saying she's going to beat any top male boxers. My comment was aimed at the few people who started saying **** like "Get me in the ring with Ann Wolf!" as if simply being male would give them a chance against a fighter of her caliber in a boxing match.


Abdiel,

Sturm (the poster and not the actual boxer) would be lucky to wake up alive in a hospital.

Oh, I kind of skimmed this thread and just noticed your post came directly after mine.

Warped,

I'm not saying she's going to beat any top male boxers. My comment was aimed at the few people who started saying **** like "Get me in the ring with Ann Wolf!" as if simply being male would give them a chance against a fighter of her caliber in a boxing match.


Abdiel,

Sturm (the poster and not the actual boxer) would be lucky to wake up alive in a hospital.


lol a horrible insult

lol a horrible insult
was that an insult to me or u or sturm him self?
:confused:

What kind of insult to boxing is this? That's flucking ridiculuous, damn circus, that's what HBO and the whole American Boxing scene turns into sometimes.

> I wanna see her knock out John Ruiz.

Ruiz would hugg her whole night (he is too heavy for her), I think she have a better chances with Wlad Klitchko, after hugging her for 5 rounds Wlad would spent all stamina and get KO'ed.

a good while back I had the oppertunity to sparr with a womans champion. I dont know what kind of belt she held be she was recognized as a champion womens boxer. Any way we glove up and I see her shadow boxing with her gear on. Watching her i could only assume that she wasnt showing me any of her skill, wanting to save it for the ring. She threw her jabs rather slow, had no turn on the right and I never did see one defensive move while she was shadow boxing.

I was a good little amatuer in my day had a few pro fights and then walked away from the fighting part. i hadnt been in a gym in a long while and found myself rather rusty, but I would find I was much sharper than needed to work with her.

The bell sounded to start the first round of sparring. Assuming that she had the skill of a champion I tested the waters. I shot forward with a rather solid jab that landed easily to the top of her head gear. Her eyes closed as she raised her gloves, exposing her body. The soft return jab that she offered was easily parried. Move alittle and lightly throw the jab, to the top of her head gear it again lands. She would fire back with what she had but it was nothing to fear or even be litely concernered about.

This is how it was. I was boxing a professional womans champion and had to play with her like she was a porcelain doll, a beginner. Sticking my head out to offer her a shot and slip it, easily. Throwing one-two combonations at not even half speed and having them land. If I was a bastard and decided to show my ass on her she would have been bombed out in seconds, no kidding. It was like I was boxing with an amatuer, and a beginning amatuer at that. it ended up where i just slowly moved about the ring throwing my blows even slower and softer than I would an amatuer male fighter, and easily slipping and blocking her so called punches.

This was just one womens fighter, I know that every one is not like her but quite frankly most are. Lucia Ryjker being the only exception that I have witnessed. Me and this lady were the same weight but the strength was not there for her to hurt me. Ryjker may have more strength than her but I am almost certain that she would not even compare to mine. Thats not a thing I am bragging about, its just the way I see it.

This woman vs. man thing will end when one of these hyped women are laying bloody and beaten, hanging onto life by threads on the canvas after being beaten by a man who had no remorse or feeling about beating a woman. But hey, thats the game they signed up for and if the commisions and officials want to let men and women fight eachother it is something that they are going to have to deal with, the death of a woman at the hands of a man.

Stop the circus bull****, get these women the amatuer background that they so badly need and stop making me sit through 8 to 20 minutes of slapping and grabbing **** they call womens boxing on television. Once again there are exceptional womens boxers out there but they are verrrrry few. Most of all stop this men vs women crap. It is better suited for the circus, not professional boxing. Or I sadly ask, are they becoming one and the same?.....Rockin'

Women do need more amatuer exposure, but you sound pretty damn ****y yourself. I think if you got in the ring with Wolf or Rijker, you migh be unpleasantly surprised. Wolf is a big girl with thump, not some little mama. She has man muscle and if you don't know this watch her fight, man. All girls = not created equal.

hunter's vs mother's. i dont care how good they are its never going to be fair unless these chicks fight a guy whose 2 or 3 weight divisions below them. i think its a joke to let this happen, if they want to fight let them fight each other. period

well superlightweight that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Have you ever sparred? Have you ever sparred a woman? I stand by my words with experience and confidence. I spent my time in the amatuers and learned it well. Spent my time in the pros and did the same. Neither of those women have anything on me. The slugs that they are probably going to put in front of these woman I would have no trouble bombing out in under a round. Just watch, this guy will have little to offer a woman opponent and nothing to offer against a male opponent. Its plain and simple, women do not have the natural strength to compete with men in combat sports.....Rockin'

was that an insult to me or u or sturm him self?
:confused:


kid thinks ann wolfe could KO me or better yet put me in a hosptial he doesnt even know me lmao

kid thinks ann wolfe could KO me or better yet put me in a hosptial he doesnt even know me lmao
lol
o
so guess it was towards u
personally i think sturm(theBOXER) wold have a decent chance against Wolfe
if he can just stick n move til the fights over
:D

the real sturm would set ann wolfe on her ass!!!!!!...Rockin'

the real sturm would set ann wolfe on her ass!!!!!!...Rockin'
u really think that?
well then

Will the Real Felix Sturm please stand up

I certainly do believe that he would. Sturm fights at around 160, wolfe at about 170. Sturm is not a slug like the other male that fought a woman. Sturm is a skilled fighter, maybe not the most skilled, but he is above most if not all women i have seen. The strength difference between a man and a woman is great, added to the skill that Sturm posses' the woman would not stand a chance.

What is it that makes people truely believe that women can compete with men, the same size, at combat sports. this is no game, boxing, and if they keep promoting things like this it will only end when one of those women dies.......Rockin'

And as for the real Sturm standing up, he probably would not even waste his time or honor.

r we really having a discussion about felix sturm vs ann wolfe im not gonan take part in this lmao... last post from me in thsi thread