After the Hopkins fight where do people rate Eastman within the division, give me a top 5 if you dare.

eastman isnt a top 20, much less a top 5. maybe overseas he's top five, but not here,for damn sure. after that fight i'd say eastman is #24 or so

eastman isnt a top 10, much less a top 5. maybe overseas he's top five, but not here,for damn sure. after that fight i'd say eastman is #24 or so
I agree with you 100%, Eastman is nothing here

I agree with you 100%, Eastman is nothing here

whats funny is they actually thought he was a contender overseas. just shows you how much of a lesser circuit they have over there.
(No offense, great fighters have come out of it, lennox lewis,klischkos,naz,carpentier)


the fight reminded me in a lot of ways of Barrera vs Naz, I really wanted Naz to win too, I have always been a die hard naz fan. anyway, the way MAB exposed naz's style reminds me of how Hopkins exposed eastman, albeit not aggressively like MAB did, but he definately did expose him

ABSOLUTE ****ING COBBLERS.

Eastman is still top five who else is there, a total dearth at middleweight he got beat 117-113 on one scorecard thats not a total disgrace, newsflash tito got KOTFO'd by hopkins after taking more of a beating than howard did, so did de la hoya.

dont be so bloody stupid, top 25. :rolleyes:

Eastman is well placed to take on the likes of taylor ikeke et al when nard vacates.

some of you really do talk out of the wrong end of your bodies at times.

ABSOLUTE ****ING COBBLERS.

Eastman is still top five who else is there, a total dearth at middleweight he got beat 117-113 on one scorecard thats not a total disgrace, newsflash tito got KOTFO'd by hopkins after taking more of a beating than howard did, so did de la hoya.

dont be so bloody stupid, top 25. :rolleyes:

Eastman is well placed to take on the likes of taylor ikeke et al when nard vacates.

some of you really do talk out of the wrong end of your bodies at times.
Eastman is ****, he's a trash talking baby who whines to the media about whatever he can to make it look like their was reasons he lost. Hopkings is the true champion, no matter what Eastmans whiney mouth says, Hopkins owned him, and I'd like to see a rematch to show Eastman fans that yet again, B-Hop will beat Eastman

top five who are fighting at middel at present ( so no tito nor de la hoya)

1. BHOP
2. TAYLOR
3. EASTMAN
4. STURM
5 IKEKE

Eastman is ****, he's a trash talking baby who whines to the media about whatever he can to make it look like their was reasons he lost. Hopkings is the true champion, no matter what Eastmans whiney mouth says, Hopkins owned him, and I'd like to see a rematch to show Eastman fans that yet again, B-Hop will beat Eastman

im saying he didnt read my post.
some are making out he isnt top 25 f.f.sake.

im no howard fan i think he is one paced and one dimensional but he still has a say in the middleweight div.

Eastman is ****, he's a trash talking baby who whines to the media about whatever he can to make it look like their was reasons he lost. Hopkings is the true champion, no matter what Eastmans whiney mouth says, Hopkins owned him, and I'd like to see a rematch to show Eastman fans that yet again, B-Hop will beat Eastman

clunk clunk...doesn't seem like there's much upstairs.

I'm no Eastman fan but I can see that he belongs about 4-5 in a poor division. Further to your point about trash talking, Eastman is a fairly reserved character unlike Nard who loves a bit of a jibe.

The fact is Hopkins wasn't going to stand and fight with eastman, but put Eastman in with Taylor that would be a fight both are big hitters, this would be a good test for Taylor also What about Eastman Vs Sturm?

Top 5:

1.Hopkins
2.Trinidad
3.Taylor
4.Eastman
5.Sturm

Hopkins never hurt Eastman once in their fight.Hopkins had Joppy hurt,Tito hurt,and ODL hurt in their fights.Hopkins is lucky he did not stick around and trade with Eastman or he might of been the one getting hurt.Joppy got caught in the 12th round of his fight with Eastman ,and got knocked down.If it was not for it being the last ten seconds of the round,Eastman would of stopped him.Hopkins won by POINTS in his fight against Eastman only.He did not bring the fight to him,or dominate him by any means.

However Eastman did not bring it to Hopkins like he did to Joppy ,so he is to blame for losing as well.

whats funny is they actually thought he was a contender overseas. just shows you how much of a lesser circuit they have over there.
(No offense, great fighters have come out of it, lennox lewis,klischkos,naz,carpentier)


No one was bigging up Eastman that much, it was more hoping for a way he could win. People over there thought Tito was a contender too and he took a worse beating than Eastman, as have most of the guys Hopkins has beat, so what's that say about the circuit there?

It's ups and downs on the Euro circuit and the middleweights are obviously lacking at the minute just like in the US, Hopkins aside. Europe has had arguably the strongest circuit in some divisions over the last few years like the supermiddles since the early 90's, the cruiserweights over the last 4 or 5 years and a decent few small guys in the late 80's and 90's.

Hopkins isn't much of a draw is he really......quite boring in fact, yeah he's a great fighter, great record, go down in history....not much of an entertainer is he.

my top 20 list takes fighters +5 or -5 lbs into consideration, because it's very feasible for them to drop or add that weight to make the fight. so I include them in the list. it's very closed minded to only make a top 5 middleweight list knowing that a 154 lb'er could easily jump up and take that title if need be.

1. hopkins
2. trinidad
3. mayorga
4. wright
5. castillejo
6. taylor
7. ouma
8. sturm
9. dlh
10. soliman
11. ikeke
12. mosely
13. schenk
14. jantuah
15. vargas
16. forrest
17. EASTMAN

so, yeah I guess he isn't #24 but damn close

Hopkins never hurt Eastman once in their fight.Hopkins had Joppy hurt,Tito hurt,and ODL hurt in their fights.Hopkins is lucky he did not stick around and trade with Eastman or he might of been the one getting hurt.Joppy got caught in the 12th round of his fight with Eastman ,and got knocked down.If it was not for it being the last ten seconds of the round,Eastman would of stopped him.Hopkins won by POINTS in his fight against Eastman only.He did not bring the fight to him,or dominate him by any means.


200+ punches landed to about 85=Domination. Maybe not spectacular, or particularly exciting, but dominant.

my top 20 list takes fighters +5 or -5 lbs into consideration, because it's very feasible for them to drop or add that weight to make the fight. so I include them in the list. it's very closed minded to only make a top 5 middleweight list knowing that a 154 lb'er could easily jump up and take that title if need be.

1. hopkins
2. trinidad
3. mayorga
4. wright
5. castillejo
6. taylor
7. ouma
8. sturm
9. dlh
10. soliman
11. ikeke
12. mosely
13. schenk
14. jantuah
15. vargas
16. forrest
17. EASTMAN

so, yeah I guess he isn't #24 but damn close


Live the dream buddy, live the dream....hey wait a minute how come your name isn't on the list.... I'm sorry I can't take you seriously now.

my top 20 list takes fighters +5 or -5 lbs into consideration, because it's very feasible for them to drop or add that weight to make the fight. so I include them in the list. it's very closed minded to only make a top 5 middleweight list knowing that a 154 lb'er could easily jump up and take that title if need be.

1. hopkins
2. trinidad
3. mayorga
4. wright
5. castillejo
6. taylor
7. ouma
8. sturm
9. dlh
10. soliman
11. ikeke
12. mosely
13. schenk
14. jantuah
15. vargas
16. forrest
17. EASTMAN

so, yeah I guess he isn't #24 but damn close

THAT LIST IS HILARIOUS. THAT NOT WHAT THE QUESTION WAS MATE.
SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS WHERE DOES EASTMAN RANK IN THE TOP 25 FORM LIGHT MIDDLE UP TO SUPER MIDDLE.


**** ME TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE QUESTION SLIPX. :rolleyes:


also newsflash Eastman beat the **** out of soliman not so long ago.

Hopkins never hurt Eastman once in their fight.Hopkins had Joppy hurt,Tito hurt,and ODL hurt in their fights.Hopkins is lucky he did not stick around and trade with Eastman or he might of been the one getting hurt.Joppy got caught in the 12th round of his fight with Eastman ,and got knocked down.If it was not for it being the last ten seconds of the round,Eastman would of stopped him.Hopkins won by POINTS in his fight against Eastman only.He did not bring the fight to him,or dominate him by any means.

hurting your opponent isn't the true goal of boxing.

the true goal of boxing is to land punches and not get hit, at least it was back under queensbury rules. there were 30 second rounds, the men would fight 100 rounds, with ungloved fists. it was like huge when someone threw a punch.

sure, everyone likes to see a KO, but you are acting like if someone didn't hurt the other fighter he didn't really win. and he HIGHLY DOMINATED EASTMAN..stop acting like a stupid ****.

splix ur top 20 list is stupid we are talkin about the middle weight devison no other u have done that purely so u can push eastamn down the list frankly i think the guy is irritating to watch but u are all puttin him down for no good reason u put tito above him yer hop did a propper job on him and was not even close to hurting eastman u put dlh on da list above eastman yet he got koed by hop then to top it of u put on mayorga in ur top 3 who is a guy who is a guy who got koed by the guy that koed by hop it dont make sense
think befor u post lol

Eastman beat the **** out of soliman not so long ago.

maybe our definition of 'beat the **** out of' differs, what I saw was a controversial decision in Eastman's house.

and one division at a time please. :D

sorry slipx i think you a decent enough chap reading your posts but your well off side with this one bro.

go have a beer and chat to us later! ;)

maybe our definition of 'beat the **** out of' differs, what I saw was a controversial decision in Eastman's house.

about as contraversial as bhops at the weekend my friend.

as in not at all. But you still have solikman ten places ahaed of howard despite his loss.


hmm something tells me someone is overeacting here.

Howard got beat by a man who has been domination the division for 20 defences has done the same to all comers, in fact worse to some.

Please stop overeacting, I was frustatreated with Howard as well but he simply wasnt good enough, like the 20 guys b4.

no shame in that aginast a top five middle of all time bro.

apologies for me messed up sentence at the end of my post didnt have much time ti write it but u get what i mean lols

u put dlh on da list above eastman yet he got koed by hop then to top it of u put on mayorga in ur top 3 who is a guy who is a guy who got koed by the guy that koed by hop it dont make sense
think befor u post lol

I'll reply to what I understand, it sounds like you are talking through a snorkel, I can't understand all that garbled ****.

I placed Mayorga there because when he trains hard, he can take anyone except tito and hop. Watch some of his fights, he has a punchers chance and a good chin.

As for what you said about DLH, "he got koed by hop" I guess you think because he got KO'd by hop he'll lose vs eastman, but the truth is that DLH would box circles around Eastman and not take any of his best shots, that's how underskilled eastman is.

about as contraversial as bhops at the weekend my friend.



landing 200+ to 85 is a win, maybe you were watching a different fight...just because your boy lost doesn't mean you need to discredit b-hop's legacy

sorry slipx i think you a decent enough chap reading your posts but your well off side with this one bro.

JPW I also think you are ok, I have found your points very accurate and on-point with the issues at hand. And I admit, I am downing Eastman excessively, but the way Hop landed at will on him changed my opinion of him as a world class fighter. Hop didn't land punches that easily on Tito or DLH, he landed everything >at will< on eastman. I think Eastman could be a contender, if he works on his reflexes, he is fast but has so many exploitable weaknesses...If Eastman moved to Atlantic City or Las Vegas and got with a world reknown trainer here, I bet he'd become a much better fighter. Eastman's main weakness is his trainer.

Lmao at that list.One sided indeed.

your entire circuit is one sided, as in minimal talent

hes still top ten
maybe top 5
there aint no one else their thats any better then him
his record speaks for itself
over seas or not

hes still top ten
maybe top 5
there aint no one else their thats any better then him
his record speaks for itself
over seas or not

list those ten then

and include super welters, and a good record doesnt mean a god damn thing, especially when you are beating up inexperienced fighters to begin with

list those ten then

and include super welters, and a good record doesnt mean a god damn thing, especially when you are beating up inexperienced fighters to begin with
will isnt that how everyone else is
no one else has beaten any top guys
and as far as listing super welters
why?
thye have there own weight for a reaosn

cuz say a 160'lb'er called one of them out

they would have no problem comfortably putting on that six pounds within, say, six months

i just wanna see your list, put it up

top five who are fighting at middel at present ( so no tito nor de la hoya)

1. BHOP
2. TAYLOR
3. EASTMAN
4. STURM
5 IKEKE


Ikeke is horrible. I was there and that guy look so bad. Also I didn't see the fight on TV but from watching it in the staples center it looked a lot closer to 116-112, thats way better than De La Hoya, Trinidad, or Joppy did.

eastman isnt a top 20, much less a top 5. maybe overseas he's top five, but not here,for damn sure. after that fight i'd say eastman is #24 or so

Wow, i cant believe you think that.

Hopkins was running scared of Eastman, he isnt a brilliant fighter but he's easily top 5.

If Eastmans number 24 then Hopkins should rank about 20.

[QUOTE=JPW]ABSOLUTE ****ING COBBLERS.

Eastman is still top five who else is there, a total dearth at middleweight he got beat 117-113 on one scorecard thats not a total disgrace, newsflash tito got KOTFO'd by hopkins after taking more of a beating than howard did, so did de la hoya.
QUOTE]

i don't think top 5 maybe top 10
and Trinidad's fight hgot stopped by his corner

A latino will never accept a knockout :cool:

[QUOTE=JPW]ABSOLUTE ****ING COBBLERS.

Eastman is still top five who else is there, a total dearth at middleweight he got beat 117-113 on one scorecard thats not a total disgrace, newsflash tito got KOTFO'd by hopkins after taking more of a beating than howard did, so did de la hoya.
QUOTE]

i don't think top 5 maybe top 10
and Trinidad's fight hgot stopped by his corner

A latino will never accept a knockout :cool:
im latino too
but need i say
No Mas?

[QUOTE=JPW]ABSOLUTE ****ING COBBLERS.

Eastman is still top five who else is there, a total dearth at middleweight he got beat 117-113 on one scorecard thats not a total disgrace, newsflash tito got KOTFO'd by hopkins after taking more of a beating than howard did, so did de la hoya.
QUOTE]

i don't think top 5 maybe top 10
and Trinidad's fight hgot stopped by his corner

A latino will never accept a knockout :cool:

Are we talking top 10 middleweight? I dont really rate Eastman as a fighter but he's got to be top 5, he cant make the number 1 run all night and drop that much.

I'd like to see Eastman vs Taylor, the winner could fight Nard.

im latino too
but need i say
No Mas?


LMAO ok ok
got me there
anyother one tho??

LMAO ok ok
got me there
anyother one tho??
chavez against DLH
please dont make me say more

chavez against DLH
please dont make me say more

In general the Latino's a pretty tough fighters though.

No more examples please :cool:

In general the Latino's a pretty tough fighters though.

No more examples please :cool:

lol yeah man
i get it i was wrong
not %100 tho
Latinos are generally fearless figthers.

at least im man enough to admit my mistake.

lol yeah man
i get it i was wrong
not %100 tho
Latinos are generally fearless figthers.

at least im man enough to admit my mistake.

:D

I like the latino style, Prime Chavez was very good latino fighter.

Wow, i cant believe you think that.

Hopkins was running scared of Eastman, he isnt a brilliant fighter but he's easily top 5.

If Eastmans number 24 then Hopkins should rank about 20.

Coming from the person that said Hopkins was a joke, your credability went out the window after I read that post. You'll have to prove yourself in a big way before I ever take anything else you say seriously ;o

Coming from the person that said Hopkins was a joke, your credability went out the window after I read that post. You'll have to prove yourself in a big way before I ever take anything else you say seriously ;o

If you think running away from a average fighter is ok then you need to prove yourself in a big way before i take you seriously again.

Hopkins has been a great fighter for a long time now but in that fight he was a joke. Retirement is due.

"running away" is what oscar did at the end of the tito bout

hopkins ran maybe once or twice blatantly, and each time he ran he landed when eastman stalked in, and he landed every punch he threw, almost. the other moving you saw hopkins doing was strategic circling, that is alot different than running. you have a lot to learn.

"running away" is what oscar did at the end of the tito bout

hopkins ran maybe once or twice blatantly, and each time he ran he landed when eastman stalked in, and he landed every punch he threw, almost. the other moving you saw hopkins doing was strategic circling, that is alot different than running. you have a lot to learn.

:D LMAO!!

IMO Hopkins run a lot more than he normally does, he's getting too old and should retire.

:D LMAO!!

Hopkins run a lot more than he normally does, he's getting too old and should retire.

I agree, he is getting very old..

but I'll say it's time for him to retire when I see him lose a bout via punishment ;-)

but i agree he did run more vs eastman than others

EASTMAN IS STILL TOP 5...hopkins did not dominate eastman or anything

EASTMAN IS STILL TOP 5...hopkins did not dominate eastman or anything

just stop talking

eastman top 5? his skill level is below robert allen's.



1. hopkins
2. tito
3. sturm
4. dlh
5. taylor
6. eastman (this isnt my middleweight list, im just putting eastman at 6 to squash this )

top 10 in middleweights..definately not top 5 :D :D

After the Hopkins fight where do people rate Eastman within the division, give me a top 5 if you dare.I'd rank him 3 or 4. Lessee, Hopkins, Sturm, Taylor, ,Trinidad, Eastman and Soliman.

I'd rank him 3 or 4. Lessee, Hopkins, Sturm, Taylor, ,Trinidad, Eastman and Soliman.

funny guy, sturm in front of tito

funny guy, sturm in front of tito

I'm sorry some of the fighters on your list above Eastman make me laugh, and as for the Eastman Soliman fight, how you are suggesting it was a home town decision beggers belief, the only sensible think you have said in this whole thread was in relation to Mayorga (when training at his peak)I'll give you credit for that.

I'm sorry some of the fighters on your list above Eastman make me laugh

After I saw how Eastman fared vs Joppy, I realized his skill level was below Robert Allen's. Can you honestly say I'm wrong?

Eastman should have taken Joppy out much earlier if he was as good as everyone says he is. Instead he only took him down in the final seconds of the fight...weak.

The list I made with him at 17 was a parody, guess you didn't notice ;o