View Full Version : Why Chris Byrd should fight Wladimir Klitschko


Neuraxis
02-21-2005, 11:31 PM
Here's a good article about the Wlad/Byrd fight.

21.02.05 - By Izyaslav “Slava” Koza: It seems this issue has been butchered back and forth, with King agreeing, Byrd disagreeing to the fight due to the fight location, which Klitschko's camp wants to take place in Germany, and nothing concrete being announced or happening, so I feel I should weigh in with my thoughts. The bout is in the planning for April 16, but there are still a lot of things to be worked out before the fight can take place. Byrd reportedly doesn't want another fight in Germany, having already fought Wladimir, as well as his brother, Vitali, there. After both bouts, Byrd complained of being sick and suspects that he had been somehow poisoned.

If this fight happens, it will be a rematch of their fight together in October, 2000, which just happened to take place in Germany. Klitschko, easily won the bout, sending Byrd to the canvas two times and winning by unanimous decision with scores, 120-106, 119-107, 118-108.

Chris Byrd is great for the sport of boxing, because frankly, he fights the toughest competition out there, and manages to win most of the time. If the heavyweight division is to be fractured due to boxing politics, I wouldn’t be the only one that would want Byrd to hang on to one of the straps, if only for the soul purpose of defending it against tough challenges, and tough challengers.

Byrd is supposed to make a mandatory defense of his title by August against Monte Barrett, who won an IBF eliminator by stopping Owen Beck in the ninth round on Feb. 5th, 2005, but Barrett (31-3, 17 knockouts) suffered a cut in that fight, which could delay their fight.

Let’s face it, Monte Barrett will present very little challenge to a focused Chris Byrd. He has heart and he does train very well, but he is too small, and is unpolished to the point that Owen Beck (Barrett's last opponent) was able to land at will throughout their fight, bruising Barrett up and almost finishing him off on cuts. It was strange to watch Barrett finish Beck off in their fight, because he barely had the strength to lift his arms himself to get in the final combination. Barrett is the type of fighter who is tailor made for a technician like Byrd. He is not big enough to impose his skill, and aside from a TKO win over a green fighter like Beck, does not have the necessary punching power to present Byrd’s iron beard with much of a problem. I see this fight being extremely one sided if it happens, with a prepared Byrd out-boxing Barrett back to the stone age, perhaps even stopping him on sheer exhaustion. However, Barrett is the fight that Byrd wants.

I don’t really blame Byrd for wanting to take this fight, because well, Barrett is a beatable guy who has earned his shot, and so Byrd would be justified if he takes the fight. This is similar to what Vitali did in taking out a deserving, but over matched, Williams. Problem is, if Byrd wants to prove he is the best in the division, he won’t be able to be as impressive as Vitali, in dominating an over matched opponent. Sure he will make Barrett miss and perhaps even stop him late, but I doubt he would do it as well as Vitali. He just does not have the size, power, or style to be as impressive as the older Klitschko. However, like I said, there is one thing Chris has over Vitali, and that is his ability to take the big fights, and face the bigger challenges.

Enter Wladimir Klitschko. Now it is fair to say that Wladimir has not been as impressive as he was before, but he still beats Barrett out as the tougher challenge for Byrd for many reasons. First of all, the younger Klitschko has the size advantage, which even a limited and gun shy fighter like Jameel Mccline, was able to use against Byrd during moments of their fight. Second, Wladimir has a tremendous offensive arsenal at his disposal, and with that constant potential, he can make for a much better fight for Byrd than the feather-fisted Barrett.

Wladimir, with his superior offensive skills, would take the fight to Byrd from the onset, just as he did in their last fight. Byrd was never able to get beyond Wladimir's long, stinging jab, which was constatnly being pumped into Byrd's face, and by the end of the bout, had both of Byrd's eyes closed from swelling.

Thirdly, Byrd suffered the worst defeat of his career at the hands of Wladimir on October 10, 2000. Now, some may argue that Ibeabuchi’s crushing knockout of Byrd in 1999 was more impressive, but I think that can be attributed due a single, lucky punch. Ike was more or less on par with Byrd in their fight, until Ike connected with a monster uppercut in the 5th round that crashed off Byrd's chin and sending him down. In my opinion, it was only a flash knockdown, the type that can get any fighter at any time. Honestly, the fight should have never been stopped, as Byrd instantly got up and signaled to the referee that he was okay.

In Byrd's fight against Wladimir, Byrd was thoroughly dominated in all 12 rounds, and was knocked down twice. For all the people who witnessed the fight, there was question that Byrd was taken to school by Wladimir. Avenging a crushing defeat like that would do wonders for Byrd’s credibility.

Fourth, Wladimir is ripe for picking against Byrd because he is more susceptible now than he will ever be, with Wladimir last 3 meaningful fights not going nearly as well as he and his team planned. Wladimir, who has looked very vulnerable as of late with recent devastating knockout losses to Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster and his rather poor showing against an undersized, 36 year old DaVarryl Williamson in his last match. However, Byrd has just come off three life and death battles against Fres Oquendo, Andrew Golota and Jameel McCline. All fights were very close, and Byrd was lucky to get through them without a loss on his record.

If Byrd takes on Barrett, and Wladimir is forced to fight another contender, who gets the better of him, Wladimir will no longer be even considered as a credible opponent. It will seem almost as if Byrd was just waiting for the younger brother to disappear so he wouldn’t have to deal with him in the ring. Ike went to prison, so Byrd can’t be blamed for not fighting him, but why not avenge your other loss?

Finally, what I want to say is, as a boxing fan, I would much rather watch Byrd-Klitschko, than Byrd-Barrett. I would have no problem in Byrd fighting Barrett, but that fight would be less meaningful to me, and would seem more like a showcase fight for Byrd. Knowing these three guys, through watching their fights, and knowing their ability I see much more entertainment or a potential for entertainment from Byrd-Klitschko than Byrd Barrett. If Byrd beats Barrett, then it's simply another average defense, while if Byrd can somehow beat Wladimir, it is revenge, and respect all rolled into one.

The money is right, and so is the timing, so why not do that which will be better for the boxing community as a whole? The only thing I would change, however, is bringing this fight to Germany. It is utterly shameful that that is even being discussed. The champion should have full right and privilege in choosing where the fight is, and I doubt Byrd would choose Germany again. It is just as ridiculous as Kostya Tsyzu having to go over to England to defend his title in the challenger’s hometown.

Other then that, come on, Chris, you know what we want to see, and we know what you want to get revenge for your loss against Wladimir. You can talk all you want about him not being worthy, but deep down, you must want this fight more than anything else.

MWCOFSU
02-21-2005, 11:46 PM
maybe I missed this point in the article, but does it mention the obvious benefit should Byrd beat Wlad?

If Byrd were to beat Wlad, Vitali would have to challenge Bryd to defend his brothers(or the the families) honor. The Klitschko always challenge the one that defeats the other.
I think Brewster is the only one not to get called out.
Plus Byrd has a "win" over Vitali, so the match sets itself up.

If Byrd really wants a shot at Vitali, he should def. fight Wlad wherever Dons wants to set it up.

AintGottaClue
02-22-2005, 12:27 AM
i hope brewster fights vitali i would pay whatever they want to see this talentless bastard be target practice. just liek danny williams but taller

Rumbler
04-29-2005, 06:49 PM
Here's a good article about the Wlad/Byrd fight.
That is the most ridiculous boxing post ive read. ike's punch against bryd was a lucky punch and wladimir "no heart" klitchsko did a better job winning a 12 round fight against a smaller "feather fisted" byrd?i feel u r so far up wladimir's ass u missed the point. for a man of wladimir's size, he should be wiping the likes of byrd out (who can't punch)if he had the killer instinct in him. Byrd was saved by the ref against ike ibeabuchi and byrd went on to admit it in a later interview.
wladimir as we know even got knocked out by brewster....lololol

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 07:33 PM
The fact remains, that until Wlad wins a fight or two against a credible and legit top 10 contender, there's no way he deserves a shot at the IBF (or any) title.

Byrd has stated several times he wants the winner of Toney vs Ruiz, and that's the best thing he could do for himself and the division.

Should that happen, it would be perfect timing for Vitali to fight the winner of Rahman/Barrett, and then the winner of those two fights could potentially unify all 3 major titles early next year.

Let Wlad fight another tune up, and then fight for the WBO agaisnt the winner of Golata vs Brewster. All the noise about
Byrd ducking him is non sense. There is NO WAY Wlad Klitschko
deserves any kind of title shot at the moment.

SacTown1
04-29-2005, 07:42 PM
The fact remains, that until Wlad wins a fight or two against a credible and legit top 10 contender, there's no way he deserves a shot at the IBF (or any) title.

Byrd has stated several times he wants the winner of Toney vs Ruiz, and that's the best thing he could do for himself and the division.

Should that happen, it would be perfect timing for Vitali to fight the winner of Rahman/Barrett, and then the winner of those two fights could potentially unify all 3 major titles early next year.

Let Wlad fight another tune up, and then fight for the WBO agaisnt the winner of Golata vs Brewster. All the noise about
Byrd ducking him is non sense. There is NO WAY Wlad Klitschko
deserves any kind of title shot at the moment.
I agree on all points, great post, Vlad is not deserving of a title shot at the moment, let him try to regain the WBOgus belt vs. the Punky Brewster-Foul Pole winner and then he can regain a little credibility and perhaps deserve a shot at the legit contenders/champs in the division

Darth Warrior
04-29-2005, 07:49 PM
That is the most ridiculous boxing post ive read. ike's punch against bryd was a lucky punch and wladimir "no heart" klitchsko did a better job winning a 12 round fight against a smaller "feather fisted" byrd?i feel u r so far up wladimir's ass u missed the point. for a man of wladimir's size, he should be wiping the likes of byrd out (who can't punch)if he had the killer instinct in him. Byrd was saved by the ref against ike ibeabuchi and byrd went on to admit it in a later interview.
wladimir as we know even got knocked out by brewster....lololol


Ike got a lucky punch? I'm guessing you didn't see the fight. Tua raped Bryd.

marvdave
04-29-2005, 07:55 PM
The fact remains, that until Wlad wins a fight or two against a credible and legit top 10 contender, there's no way he deserves a shot at the IBF (or any) title.

Byrd has stated several times he wants the winner of Toney vs Ruiz, and that's the best thing he could do for himself and the division.

Should that happen, it would be perfect timing for Vitali to fight the winner of Rahman/Barrett, and then the winner of those two fights could potentially unify all 3 major titles early next year.

Let Wlad fight another tune up, and then fight for the WBO agaisnt the winner of Golata vs Brewster. All the noise about
Byrd ducking him is non sense. There is NO WAY Wlad Klitschko
deserves any kind of title shot at the moment.

very good post Bozo. Wlad has all the skills and will get his shot becuase of his name and popularity. I will tell you that he will get ko'ed again as soon as he steps up the comp. Did the cuban even throw a punch last week? It was the first "no-hitter" of the year :D

Wlad is a joke in my opinion. His brother has more heart and determination than he'll ever have. Grab your brothers coat tails Wlad!

Truth
04-29-2005, 08:04 PM
Cheis Byrd should fight the winner of Ruiz/Toney(Toney).

Winter
04-29-2005, 08:24 PM
Wladimir fought a perfect fight last week. He and Emanual Steward looked very comfortable and confident the moment Wladimir walked to the ring. Wladimir is learning perfect everything that Emanual Steward is teaching him. Wladimir is learning to be patient and use his strengths wisely. Wladimir is maturing into a very great Heavy Weight Champion.

Someone said that Wladimir needs to beat better competition. But, look closely at the better competition, and Wladimir has already beaten many of them! Wladimir has beaten Chris Byrd, and Chris Byrd is afraid of fighting a more mature and great Wladimir!

I feel Chris Byrd wants to fight James Toney, because James Toney is not a threat and brings great rewards. But, if the Ruiz fighter wins against James Toney, Chris Byrd will have to fight Wladimir sooner than he wants to. Chris Byrd will be nervously watching what happens.

I feel very confident that Wladimir will be champion again very soon with Emanual Steward. I am very confident about Wladimir's chances against any of the other fighters.

Neuraxis
04-29-2005, 08:47 PM
very good post Bozo. Wlad has all the skills and will get his shot becuase of his name and popularity. I will tell you that he will get ko'ed again as soon as he steps up the comp. Did the cuban even throw a punch last week? It was the first "no-hitter" of the year :D

Wlad is a joke in my opinion. His brother has more heart and determination than he'll ever have. Grab your brothers coat tails Wlad!

Actually he landed upstairs on Wlad near the end of the 2nd round.

Neuraxis
04-29-2005, 08:49 PM
. There is NO WAY Wlad Klitschko
deserves any kind of title shot at the moment.

So I can expect you to be speaking out that Rahman, Golota, Oquendo, McCline, and the TOS vs. Jefferson winner do not deserve title shots either.

Neuraxis
04-29-2005, 08:51 PM
That is the most ridiculous boxing post ive read. for a man of wladimir's size, he should be wiping the likes of byrd out (who can't punch)if he had the killer instinct in him.

If is this was such a dumb article why did you bring it back when it had been dead for more than two months now? A 25 lbs weight advantage is not as big as you make it seem either.

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 08:53 PM
Someone said that Wladimir needs to beat better competition. But, look closely at the better competition, and Wladimir has already beaten many of them! Wladimir has beaten Chris Byrd...


Ahhh, its who you've beaten lately, not years ago. By that logic, Evander Holyfield could receive a title shot.

Wlad hasn't beaten anyone of name since his two losses to fringe contenders. Castillo was a Cruiserweight who had only 8 fights at Heavyweight.

I'm sure Wlad will rebound, and has the skill and potential to resurface as a contender. But the fact remains, he's not there yet, and has some re-establishing to do.

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 08:57 PM
So I can expect you to be speaking out that Rahman, Golota, Oquendo, McCline, and the TOS vs. Jefferson winner do not deserve title shots either.


Its my opinion that NO ONE should receive a title shot until the 3 major title holders have fought eachother and the rankings have sorted themselves out.

Certianly not any of the names you mention, no.

But Vitali is likely to face Rahman by the time he's healed (unless Barrett beats Rahman), and I guess that's not too bad.

As long as Byrd gets the winner of Toney vs Ruiz, Vitali's mandatory defense will segway to a unification.

At that point, hopefully the rankings will sort them selves out a bit.

That's enough time for Wlad to get two fights in agaisnt quality guys to start elevating himself back into contention.

freirui
04-29-2005, 08:59 PM
Wladimir fought a perfect fight last week. He and Emanual Steward looked very comfortable and confident the moment Wladimir walked to the ring. Wladimir is learning perfect everything that Emanual Steward is teaching him. Wladimir is learning to be patient and use his strengths wisely. Wladimir is maturing into a very great Heavy Weight Champion.

Someone said that Wladimir needs to beat better competition. But, look closely at the better competition, and Wladimir has already beaten many of them! Wladimir has beaten Chris Byrd, and Chris Byrd is afraid of fighting a more mature and great Wladimir!

I feel Chris Byrd wants to fight James Toney, because James Toney is not a threat and brings great rewards. But, if the Ruiz fighter wins against James Toney, Chris Byrd will have to fight Wladimir sooner than he wants to. Chris Byrd will be nervously watching what happens.

I feel very confident that Wladimir will be champion again very soon with Emanual Steward. I am very confident about Wladimir's chances against any of the other fighters.
Very good points!!!

Duncan
04-29-2005, 10:39 PM
maybe I missed this point in the article, but does it mention the obvious benefit should Byrd beat Wlad?

If Byrd were to beat Wlad, Vitali would have to challenge Bryd to defend his brothers(or the the families) honor. The Klitschko always challenge the one that defeats the other.
I think Brewster is the only one not to get called out.
Plus Byrd has a "win" over Vitali, so the match sets itself up.

If Byrd really wants a shot at Vitali, he should def. fight Wlad wherever Dons wants to set it up.
I think the reason that Byrd should fight W.Klitch again is that Wlad kicked the ever living hell out of him in the first fight. If he wants to be a considered the real heavyweight champion (and he's not right now)- well, champions get vengence.

If one recalls that fight, Byrd was NEVER competitive in the fight for one single minute. It was a really humiliating loss and Byrd's face was swollen really bad, he got the craps...it was just an ugly, embarrassing situation.

Byrd *****ing out afterward and blaming some Klitchko conspiracy made him seem that much more of a weiner.

And if he was ever going to beat Wlad, now is the time. I think he would be a betting favorite, even after having his ass kicked the first time.

Just my thoughts.

PBDS
04-29-2005, 10:52 PM
.....Yeah, his reluctance to meet Wlad shows how deep the wound is from the beating he took that night. Actually, Byrd's wife and Dad probably talked him out of it. His wife was ****ting her pants watching him get his ass kicked. A real Kodak moment for me that's for sure!!!! lol lol lol

trevorjulien
04-29-2005, 10:57 PM
Bryd should not fight Wlad at this time. Why? He does not need him.

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 11:05 PM
I think the reason that Byrd should fight W.Klitch again is that Wlad kicked the ever living hell out of him in the first fight. If he wants to be a considered the real heavyweight champion (and he's not right now)- well, champions get vengence.




Ahhh like getting their brothers to avenge their losses?


Come on.

By your own logic, Wlad should be fighting Sanders and Brewster again before there's any talk of him fighting for a title.

Byrd did lose to Wlad years ago, but since then has won and defended his title several times without getting KO'd by fringe contenders.

Wlad needs to earn his way back into the picture. There's no denying it.

trevorjulien
04-29-2005, 11:12 PM
Its funny because I thought that Ray Mercer would of been the 1st to knock Wlad out.

Neuraxis
04-29-2005, 11:25 PM
Ahhh like getting their brothers to avenge their losses?


Come on.

By your own logic, Wlad should be fighting Sanders and Brewster again before there's any talk of him fighting for a title.

Byrd did lose to Wlad years ago, but since then has won and defended his title several times without getting KO'd by fringe contenders.

Wlad needs to earn his way back into the picture. There's no denying it.

Sanders refused to give Wlad a rematch until just recently, and now it looks like he is retired. Even though Brewster also refused a rematch with Wlad, Wlad should try to get a fight with him once Byrd ducks him again and if Golota beats Brewster. That's a very big if.

trevorjulien
04-29-2005, 11:28 PM
Brewster was in the right place at the right time.

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 11:29 PM
Sanders refused to give Wlad a rematch until just recently, and now it looks like he is retired. Even though Brewster also refused a rematch with Wlad, Wlad should try to get a fight with him once Byrd ducks him again and if Golota beats Brewster. That's a very big if.


Once again, I fail to see how this is difficult to understand.

Wlad doesn't deserve a title shot.

There no way that fight would even be sanctioned at this point.

I know it makes you feel better as a fan to say Byrd is ducking him, but it's undeniable that Wlad does not deserve that fight at this point.

Winter
04-29-2005, 11:29 PM
Wladimir wants very much to fight all the best fighters. But, all of the best fighters do not want to fight Wladimir. Why? It is because they have to put on the boxing gloves and they have to risk losing their belts and careers if they fight Wladimir.

Wladimir looked very good and confident! I hope the fighters who have belts will be forced to be brave and fight Wladimir soon.

Bozo_no no
04-29-2005, 11:34 PM
Wladimir looked very good and confident! I hope the fighters who have belts will be forced to be brave and fight Wladimir soon.


The only way that's going to happen, is if he can work his way back up in the rankings without being knocked out again by a sub par fighter.

Neuraxis
04-30-2005, 12:30 AM
Once again, I fail to see how this is difficult to understand.

Wlad doesn't deserve a title shot.

There no way that fight would even be sanctioned at this point.

I know it makes you feel better as a fan to say Byrd is ducking him, but it's undeniable that Wlad does not deserve that fight at this point.

We aren't even talking about Wlad deserving a title shot. You are the one saying Wlad should rematch Sanders and Brewster even though both of them refuse to give him a rematch. I'm simply pointing out the obvious.

Bozo_no no
04-30-2005, 12:35 AM
We aren't even talking about Wlad deserving a title shot. You are the one saying Wlad should rematch Sanders and Brewster even though both of them refuse to give him a rematch. I'm simply pointing out the obvious.


No, I was responding to the guy who cut Byrd down for not wanting to avenge his loss, when Wlad had his big brother
avenge two losses for him.

Duncan
04-30-2005, 12:43 AM
Ahhh like getting their brothers to avenge their losses?


Come on.

By your own logic, Wlad should be fighting Sanders and Brewster again before there's any talk of him fighting for a title.

Byrd did lose to Wlad years ago, but since then has won and defended his title several times without getting KO'd by fringe contenders.

Wlad needs to earn his way back into the picture. There's no denying it.
Hey, I won't disagree with that at all. But I never said Wlad was a champion either. He's not and never was. Byrd wants to be something different...well to do that he has to fight Wlad again after being his party boy the first time around.