Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

your a whiny idiot *******, its cld strategy, and no he didnt bullrush delahoya, he fought the same way, ofcourse he was more aggresive against trinidad, you have to be, trinidad is constantly in your face asswipe, you dont know boxing you are finally showing your true colors and you should keep your mouth shut about stuff you dont understand, like BOXING. what you want him to stand there with his chin out so your boy can clock him? no chance moron

:lame:

no one is a coward that steps through the ropes. I wouldn't even begin to call Gainer a coward.

I'm not the biggest fan of Hopkins or the way he's fought lately. BUT it is time for him to step up the competition, just as he says he's gonna do. I'm fine with the hit list of Taylor, Tarver, Johnson, or Tito(pick a mix of any).

I say beat Taylor them move up and beat the LT. Heavyweight champ and...... :hail: Bernard Hopkins

you have to understand that is his strategy. he knew that eastman was going to come out and be more aggresive. he made them man tire out and then slowly executed him

no ones a coward when they step inside those ropes... hopkins juss doing his thing... he always box the same... dun get mad cuz he beat one of your fighters...

:lame:

no one is a coward that steps through the ropes. I wouldn't even begin to call Gainer a coward.



What about Camacho Jr??!!

HAHA, he likes to ride the bike. :D

your a whiny idiot *******, its cld strategy, and no he didnt bullrush delahoya, he fought the same way, ofcourse he was more aggresive against trinidad, you have to be, trinidad is constantly in your face asswipe, you dont know boxing you are finally showing your true colors and you should keep your mouth shut about stuff you dont understand, like BOXING. what you want him to stand there with his chin out so your boy can clock him? no chance moron
If you can't debate a point without resorting to personal attacks then go and do it to someone else. Prick.

You have to understand that boxing is about styles and strategy. Bernard Hopkins is a boxer, not a brawler.

I don't mind him being a boxer, I just don't like to see him *****-slapping the little guys and then doing the reverse to the big guys...

hopkins is no coward. he makes a living punching people in the face

your a whiny idiot *******, its cld strategy, and no he didnt bullrush delahoya, he fought the same way, ofcourse he was more aggresive against trinidad, you have to be, trinidad is constantly in your face asswipe, you dont know boxing you are finally showing your true colors and you should keep your mouth shut about stuff you dont understand, like BOXING. what you want him to stand there with his chin out so your boy can clock him? no chance moron

lessers don't understand these things. :)

If the little guys didn't wanna get beat up, they shouldn't have fought. That's how I see it, they didn't HAVE to fight Hopkins. DLH wanted to make some history, he had to go through Hopkins, he's the man with the belts. Tito wanted to be the champ at middleweight, he had to go through the Hopkins because, again, he had the belts. I don't understand why you have a complaint about Bernard beating up DLH and Tito, it's not like anyone would turn down that fight in his shoes. Maybe I'm missing something there, though.

As for his fight with Eastman, I would say that the fault of Eastman losing partially lies in Eastman. I always thought that boxing required you to be versatile. His strategy didn't seem to change throughout the entire fight. He got some okay shots in here and there, though. He kept getting hit with the same punches, why is no one getting angry at Eastman for this? The fight wasn't crowd pleasing in anyway (it's a fight I'd watch over though), but I think it is something that other fighters could take and learn something from.

I don't mind him being a boxer, I just don't like to see him *****-slapping the little guys and then doing the reverse to the big guys...

:confused: :confused:

Sorry, but you lost me on that one.

But to answer your poll, I do not think Hopkins was fighting scared. I think he was cautious or maybe even fighting "not to loose". Hopkins is THE MAN! He will be upmthere with the legends of the sport. People said the same thing about Leonard when he fought Hagler. They said that he was scared of Hagler and that he did not fight him toe to toe. Of course he did not fight him toe to toe. Leonard would have been knocked out thus loosing the bout. Instaed he foguht cautious and out pointed Hagler to get the win. Both Leonard and Hopkins won their match against their much stronger opponent. they didn't win pretty, but non the less they won their match and in the end that is all that truly matters right?! winning!

I don't mind him being a boxer, I just don't like to see him *****-slapping my countrymen, because I'm unbelievably biased in favoring english fighters. Which is why God'z Hand and many other members don't even respect my opinion anymore.... :D


Couldnt have said it better myself. Tell Anorak not to waste his time responding to me, because I wont discuss boxing with an ignorant, close-minded person. I would be ignorant myself to do so. Hopkins is the king right now. Plain and simple.

Hopkins did what it took to win and he wasn`t gonna take a sily chance with someone like Eastman. Is it possible that someone is smarting over losing all their points and having to become the second lady of boxingscene? But fair play to Anorak, he kept his word and paid up. So I guess he is entitled to ***** a little about it.....but it should end now. Bernard Hopkins, P4P best boxer on the planet!

:D


Couldnt have said it better myself. Tell Anorak not to waste his time responding to me, because I wont discuss boxing with an ignorant, close-minded person. I would be ignorant myself to do so. Hopkins is the king right now. Plain and simple."Tell Anorak"? What, I can't see what you've written or something? :)

You don't want me to respond to your knee-jerk comments? Fine. But don't keep name-checking me then.

... I do love the way people try and compare Hopkins' performance on Saturday with greats like Ali and Leonard. Sweet science... crapping your pants and running away... there's a difference.

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

If Hopkins is a *****, then I guess Lennox would have to be too.
You could make a case that he ran from the smaller guys :D
But we don't, we respect him as a true champ. Why not open your
union-jack- colored eyes and accept that Hopkins is a great champ?

If Hopkins is a *****, then I guess Lennox would have to be too.
You could make a case that he ran from the smaller guys :D
But we don't, we respect him as a true champ. Why not open your
union-jack- colored eyes and accept that Hopkins is a great champ?Why not stop being racist? If you stick up for a US fighter do I accuse you of bias? What, because I'm English, I'm not allowed to say anything positive about English fighters otherwise I'm biased?

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Why not stop being racist? If you stick up for a US fighter do I accuse you of bias? What, because I'm English, I'm not allowed to say anything positive about English fighters otherwise I'm biased?
You can call me biased if you like. I'm from Norway anyway...
You can say as much positive things as you like about the english fighters. I don't mind that. But you shouldn't critise a great champion just because one of yours lost to him. I know Eastman is a great fighter, no doubt in my mind, but Hopkins beat him fair and square. That, in my book at least, would have to make Hopkins the better man, right?

You can call me biased if you like. I'm from Norway anyway...
You can say as much positive things as you like about the english fighters. I don't mind that. But you shouldn't critise a great champion just because one of yours lost to him. I know Eastman is a great fighter, no doubt in my mind, but Hopkins beat him fair and square. That, in my book at least, would have to make Hopkins the better man, right?I'm not criticising Hopkins because "one of mine" lost to him. Yeah, Hop beat him fair and square, and, boxing-wise, he was the better man.

BUT... I would have preferred him to make the bout at least a little competitive. There's a difference between just trading from a boxing stance and an all-out war. The way Hopkins won that fight was without honour.

Wait a sec. "a little competetive"? Bro, don't tell me that your making all of this fuss because it looked like Howard wasn't any competition for Hopkins.

I'm not criticising Hopkins because "one of mine" lost to him. Yeah, Hop beat him fair and square, and, boxing-wise, he was the better man.

BUT... I would have preferred him to make the bout at least a little competitive. There's a difference between just trading from a boxing stance and an all-out war. The way Hopkins won that fight was without honour.
I see what you mean. And I felt he should have tried to close the show, making for some excitement. But I can't blame him for being cautious at the age of 40, and certainly not when it was his 20th defence.
But if he fights like that in every outing, I reckon he will lose most of his fans.
There's not many people out there like me, who enjoy true mastery of the opponent. I like the fact that Hopkins can win easily without having to really dig deep to do it.
It shows class. A class that few fighters in this era have.

People said the same thing about Leonard when he fought Hagler. They said that he was scared of Hagler and that he did not fight him toe to toe. Of course he did not fight him toe to toe. Leonard would have been knocked out thus loosing the bout. Instaed he foguht cautious and out pointed Hagler to get the win. Both Leonard and Hopkins won their match against their much stronger opponent. they didn't win pretty, but non the less they won their match and in the end that is all that truly matters right?! winning!

Leonard = welterweight - Hagler = THE middleweight champ

Hopkins = THE middleweight champ - Eastman - a "bigger" middleweight

I'm on Hopkins side on this argument. but this is a silly comparison. Hopkins fought a fellow middleight. Yea I guess he was a bigger middleweight, but still! Hopkins fought more cautiously than Leonard did and Sugar Ray was moving up to fight THE middleweight champ after a short retirement.

so i would expect Hopkins to catch more flack for being cautious against Eastman than Leonard did against Hagler.

sorry dont mean to jump on you, palma, but i can't imagine how cautious Hopkins is gonnga fight against another "bigger" middleweight in J.Taylor and Lt Heavies in Johnson/Tarver winner.

HOPKINS ISNT A COWARD. I get what you're saying, anorak, its just a bad word choice.

Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

yes, and so is that ***** Hagler :rolleyes:

Hey anorak. If you could walk down Hopkins hometown street after dark, without pissing your pants in fear. Ill buy ya a beer. Hopkins is in no way a coward. Sometimes the guy fights a boring fight, I'll give ya that, but a coward??? come on man... :rolleyes:

Gotta agree with Tyson here. I agree it would have been....more fitting for Hopkins to add glory to his fight plan but allot of fighters do the same. Oscar fought chicken **** against Tito. Now, he still lost the fight ( not in my eyes ) but if he had gone to war with Tito and got Ko`ed he`d have lost with the honnor of giving it a go. Hopkins respected Eastman`s power and knew sods law says he`d lose if he took a risk.

your a whiny idiot *******, its cld strategy, and no he didnt bullrush delahoya, he fought the same way, ofcourse he was more aggresive against trinidad, you have to be, trinidad is constantly in your face asswipe, you dont know boxing you are finally showing your true colors and you should keep your mouth shut about stuff you dont understand, like BOXING. what you want him to stand there with his chin out so your boy can clock him? no chance moron

agree %100

Howard ran more against Jerry Elliott than Hopkins did against Howard. I'd be interested if you made a half dozen threads incessantly whining about how Howard is a coward at the time that fight happened. My guess is no.

I don't mind him being a boxer, I just don't like to see him *****-slapping the little guys and then doing the reverse to the big guys...

Boxers do not ever and I mean ever ***** slap :boxing:

Boxers do not ever and I mean ever ***** slap :boxing:
yes. he's been a coward for twenty straight fights now, lol...

... I do love the way people try and compare Hopkins' performance on Saturday with greats like Ali and Leonard. Sweet science... crapping your pants and running away... there's a difference.

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg


Sour grapes! You are starting to sound like Eastman himself Anorak! :boxing:

Don' confuse being cautious for being a coward. Different styles makes for different fights.

If Hopkins is a coward, then Roy Jones, Willie Pep and all other boxers are cowards.

Hopkins is 40. 3 years ago he participated in entertaining brawls (IE, Hopkins-Echols II) There is no need to take risks now.

if he is a coward, maybe he stop and box...he's older but courage and a blood of a fighter he had,continues....

Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

No but u are
quit your damn head out eastmans ass
u damn nuthugger

styles, i guess not a coward!

"What do you mean by that, George?"

Honor? What in the world are you talking about? You mean being a 40 year old man and taking precautions to make sure you win the fight is honorless? Are you saying fighting a smart fight is honorless? Someone should have told Eastman to keep up his right cause so that Hopkins would've stopped hitting him with those left hooks. But I guess it was honorless for Hopkins to expose that for a few rounds.

I'm not criticising Hopkins because "one of mine" lost to him. Yeah, Hop beat him fair and square, and, boxing-wise, he was the better man.

BUT... I would have preferred him to make the bout at least a little competitive. There's a difference between just trading from a boxing stance and an all-out war. The way Hopkins won that fight was without honour.

sorry anorak but you are way off side with this one.
you cant call one of the top five middles of all time a coward and expect not to be berated.
hopkins just did what he needed to win, and win easy.
he is saving himself for the mega fights and he has earned that.
sorry bro cant back you up ont this one im afraid. :boxing:

Interesting.....Hopkins a coward no I don't think so, Hopkins failing to put on a show for the fight fans....yes, very dull. No question he has a ton of ability and rightly will have his place in boxing history but on that evidence I won't bother watching him again...dull as ****.

Hopkins is no coward? Where's your head at?

No but u are
quit your damn head out eastmans ass
u damn nuthugger
You think that's a put down? It's rendered impotent by repetition.

Oh - my usertitle was supposed to read "I'm HOT for Eastman" as part of a losing bet, but the store has ran out of changing usernames.

Hey anorak. If you could walk down Hopkins hometown street after dark, without pissing your pants in fear. Ill buy ya a beer.I already did, last night. And I gave Hopkins a right old smacking - in fact I KHTFO.

Here's the evidence:

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/RCalla6725/bernard.jpg

HOPKINS ISNT A COWARD. I get what you're saying, anorak, its just a bad word choice.Yeah, but it's a way to inspire debate, innit? If I'd put "was Hopkins reluctant" this would have died in the water. Say what you like about my threads, at least they get a response, eh? :) (Except for that one about Don King needing a nursemaid... that one died)

... I do love the way people try and compare Hopkins' performance on Saturday with greats like Ali and Leonard. Sweet science... crapping your pants and running away... there's a difference.

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

LMAO.

Hopkins was on this bike all night against Eastman :D

Maybe Hopkins should retire before someone KO's him.

Anorak
OK why the hell you give me ****ing
bad reputation for expressing my opinion?
**** i should give you bad reputation just for saying Hopkins is a coward.seriusly i just agreed wiht someone saying
you didnt know what you where talking about when you said hopkins is a coward.
**** man that is bs on your behalf.
i have never attacked someone juyst for their opinion
that does say alot of you doesnt it?

Anorak
OK why the hell oyu give me ****ing
bad reputation for expressing my opinion?
**** i should give4 you bad reputation just for saying q Hopkins is a coward.seriusly i just agreed wiht someone saying
you didnt know what you where talking about when you said hopkins is a coward.
**** man that is bs on your behalf.
i have never attacked someone juyst for their opinion
that does say alot of you isnt it?

I wouldn't worry about it. Anorak is a little ***** with no life and soon will be exposed for the ignorant moron he truly is...

Cowards dont do boxing but Hopkins talks a lot more than he fights. Shame because he's a talented fighter.

He's definitley out of my top 5 P4P list now.

Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

It was there sole decision to move up and vs him. Not to mention Tito beat a legit WBA champ Joppy, and De La Hoya squeezed in a decision against a top fighter in WBO champ Felix Sturm. Imagine what you would be saying if he refused to fight both of them. Would it look like he's a coward if he didnt fight them, or if he did?

Cowards dont do boxing but Hopkins talks a lot more than he fights. Shame because he's a talented fighter.

He's definitley out of my top 5 P4P list now.

come on the 4p4 listr is not a novel price list
nor a popularity contest
the 4p4 is for the best boxer out there,
and Hop is definitly one of the top 5 in the
world right now

Anorak
OK why the hell you give me ****ing
bad reputation for expressing my opinion?
**** i should give you bad reputation just for saying Hopkins is a coward.seriusly i just agreed wiht someone saying
you didnt know what you where talking about when you said hopkins is a coward.
**** man that is bs on your behalf.
i have never attacked someone juyst for their opinion
that does say alot of you doesnt it?
I don't mind people expressing opinions, but you were agreeing with someone who just strung some abuse together. That's what I was getting at. Look at the difference.


Example One: I disagree, and this is why...

Example Two: Yo, you ****in retard ***git, yo fuk yo momma eastman sux limey ******* fuk fuk fuk


See what I mean? You justifying something like the second was a bad move, but peace.

I don't mind people expressing opinions, but you were agreeing with someone who just strung some abuse together. That's what I was getting at. Look at the difference.


Example One: I disagree, and this is why...

Example Two: Yo, you ****in retard ***git, yo fuk yo momma eastman sux limey ******* fuk fuk fuk


See what I mean? You justifying something like the second was a bad move, but peace.

he didnt say ;
Example Two: Yo, you ****in retard ***git, yo fuk yo momma eastman sux limey ******* fuk fuk fuk

and you have made some comments like that yourself.

plus there is not much to say after you call Hop a coward.

and you have made some comments like that yourself. Only when attacked in said manner first.

plus there is not much to say after you call Hop a cowardThe choice of words was decided upon to make this a healthy thread, to inspire debate. I didn't expect it to be THIS healthy, though.

come on the 4p4 listr is not a novel price list
nor a popularity contest
the 4p4 is for the best boxer out there,
and Hop is definitly one of the top 5 in the
world right now


After Eastman vs Hopkins i'd rate Tszyu, Mayweather, Morales, Pacquiao, Marquez, DLH(at 147) higher than him.

I've always considered Hopkins a very good(maybe great fighter) but with no disrespect to Eastman he's not exactly a fighter anywhere near P4P top 10. If Hopkins can be bullied by him he's very close to retirement.

After Eastman vs Hopkins i'd rate Tszyu, Mayweather, Morales, Pacquiao, Marquez, DLH(at 147) higher than him.

I've always considered Hopkins a very good(maybe great fighter) but with no disrespect to Eastman he's not exactly a fighter anywhere near P4P top 10. If Hopkins can be bullied by him he's very close to retirement.

im mexican
but i dont see
DLH or Marquez ahead of Hopkins

im mexican
but i dont see
DLH or Marquez ahead of HopkinsNo, I don't expect you to, and that's not what I'm saying. But how would you feel if Mexicans were constantly trashed on here just for their genetic type? That's what I'm getting at. No other racial group suffers racism on here, so why should I and my fellow UK members?

No, I don't expect you to, and that's not what I'm saying. But how would you feel if Mexicans were constantly trashed on here just for their genetic type? That's what I'm getting at. No other racial group suffers racism on here, so why should I and my fellow UK members?


well its not your fault
but are you gonna change people's mind???
and im serius can you even try to change their
mind, ohh and there is people here who hate
in every race, not only britts.
you have to ignore them, they only reason
they make those comments is for the reaction they are gonna get off you.

im mexican
but i dont see
DLH or Marquez ahead of Hopkins

P4P is personal opinion and i wouldnt consider them better before i watched the Eastman fight. Hopkins wasnt Hopkins in that fight, he just looked old at last.

well its not your fault
but are you gonna change people's mind???
and im serius can you even try to change their
mind, ohh and there is people here who hate
in every race, not only britts.
you have to ignore them, they only reason
they make those comments is for the reaction they are gonna get off you.

I have a rant now and then but i have given up on the bias bull**** on this site. most members are cool but some are idiots who will never learn.

HAHA!!! Yes, Hopkins is a coward. He is not really a coward in the traditional sense though. He is a coward because he won't fight with anyone. He is like a middleweight Chris Byrd. He uses his speed and elusiveness to run away from fighters who would otherwise kick his ass. Some call this tactic smart, which is true because he would get his ass kicked. Others call this tactic *****, whci hit is because he would get his ass kicked. So, in my mind, I have to sum it up as Hopkins fights like he is scared to get his ass kicked and that is how all of the other boxing fans I know view it as well. When you think about it, he fights scared against pretty ****ty competition. WOW!!!

well its not your fault
but are you gonna change people's mind???
and im serius can you even try to change their
mind, ohh and there is people here who hate
in every race, not only britts.
you have to ignore them, they only reason
they make those comments is for the reaction they are gonna get off you.
True, but anywhere else racism wouldn't be allowed. Anyway, the thread has shown (so far) that over 16% of people think that he is, so that while by far in the majority that's still nearly 1 in 5.

I wonder why a lot of people on this forum can't debate opinions, but debate people?

Okay, okay, - LAST Hopkins thread from me for now.

But I don't like how the guy gets little weeners from lower classes and beats up on them (Tito, DLH), but when he gets a guy his own size he gets on this:

http://www.anorakzone.com/bike.jpg

Is Hopkins a coward?

i dont think hes a coward just overrated. he had no good opponents to fight and he got whipped when a real middleweight showed up. i bet pavlik would knock him out.

i dont think hes a coward just overrated. he had no good opponents to fight and he got whipped when a real middleweight showed up. i bet pavlik would knock him out.

That is the truth.

pullin up a thread from 2005 just to hate. classy.

no ones a coward when they step inside those ropes... hopkins juss doing his thing... he always box the same... dun get mad cuz he beat one of your fighters...

indeed:cop: