I was reading up on Jerry Quarry today, and came across this article.

http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Jerry_Quarry/

At one point it reads: "George Foreman refused to give Quarry a title shot, and said in later years he purposely dodged Quarry." Has anyone else heard anything like this before? I'm not exactly sure why Foreman would doge Quarry. Jerry Quarry was a good fighter, but I'm pretty sure Foreman could have taken him.

There is a rumour that Quarry handled Foreman in sparring in almost embarrassing fashion for Big George.

Foreman stated in the 90's that he purposefully ducked Jerry Quarry (one of the top contenders at the time) but it may have been just out of respect for Jerry.

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what a great fighter Jerry Quarry was, Quarry gave Ron Lyle his first pro defeat and also beat some very good fighters, he had a granite chin and i feel that was the reason Foreman ducked him, if he could not KO Quarry then he would have been in real trouble against a smart,fast counter-puncher of Quarry`s calibre.. Quarry took the best that Lyle could hit him with, he also took the best Ernie Shavers could hit him with before `bombing-out` Shavers in the opening round, Quarry seemed to excel against `Big Guys` he put on a boxing exhibition in hammering Buster mathis and also KOd 6ft 6ins undefeated Mac Foster who had a record of 24-0(24) Quarry also was good enough to out-box Floyd Patterson... Quarry was really good!... i have 27 fights in my collection of Jerry Quarry and he was great to watch with IMO his best fights being.
Quarry v Joe Alexander
Quarry v Tony Doyle
Quarry v Billy Daniels
Quarry v Frazier (1) forgotten classic
Quarry v Jack Bodell
Quarry v Alex Miteff
Quarry v Orbillo
Quarry v Alongi
Quarry v Foster
Quarry v Spencer
Quarry v Patterson 1 & 2

the list is endless Jerry Quarry was that good to watch and was my all time favourite fighter

There is a rumour that Quarry handled Foreman in sparring in almost embarrassing fashion for Big George.

Foreman stated in the 90's that he purposefully ducked Jerry Quarry (one of the top contenders at the time) [B]but it may have been just out of respect for Jerry.


I think so, i mean i cant see Quarry taking Foreman's best licks can you ? ironically i was watching Ali vs Quarry 2 last night.

Quarry was rocked off Ali's shots, i dread to think what would of happened if Foreman hit him without sparring gloves and head gear.

what a great fighter Jerry Quarry was, Quarry gave Ron Lyle his first pro defeat and also beat some very good fighters, he had a granite chin and i feel that was the reason Foreman ducked him, if he could not KO Quarry then he would have been in real trouble against a smart,fast counter-puncher of Quarry`s calibre.. Quarry took the best that Lyle could hit him with, he also took the best Ernie Shavers could hit him with before `bombing-out` Shavers in the opening round, Quarry seemed to excel against `Big Guys` he put on a boxing exhibition in hammering Buster mathis and also KOd 6ft 6ins undefeated Mac Foster who had a record of 24-0(24) Quarry also was good enough to out-box Floyd Patterson... Quarry was really good!... i have 27 fights in my collection of Jerry Quarry and he was great to watch with IMO his best fights being.
Quarry v Joe Alexander
Quarry v Tony Doyle
Quarry v Billy Daniels
Quarry v Frazier (1) forgotten classic
Quarry v Jack Bodell
Quarry v Alex Miteff
Quarry v Orbillo
Quarry v Alongi
Quarry v Foster
Quarry v Spencer
Quarry v Patterson 1 & 2

the list is endless Jerry Quarry was that good to watch and was my all time favourite fighter


Why do you think Ali and Frazier were able to stop him then ? im not being sarcastic im asking your opinion as to why two lighter punchers( than Foreman) managed to stop him because i dont know much about Quarry outside of his 4 fights with Ali and Frazier.

Do you think it had something to do with him being more discouraged than hurt ? because whilst he looked rocked against Ali he looked frustrated throughout more than anything, and Joe Frazier keep coming at you and taking your best shots is enough to make anyone sick.

I think so, i mean i cant see Quarry taking Foreman's best licks can you ? ironically i was watching Ali vs Quarry 2 last night.

Quarry was rocked off Ali's shots, i dread to think what would of happened if Foreman hit him without sparring gloves and head gear.

I'm not sure if Quarry was rocked by Ali. That just wasn't one of Quarry's better performances in my opinion.

Why do you think Ali and Frazier were able to stop him then ? im not being sarcastic im asking your opinion as to why two lighter punchers( than Foreman) managed to stop him because i dont know much about Quarry outside of his 4 fights with Ali and Frazier.

Do you think it had something to do with him being more discouraged than hurt ? because whilst he looked rocked against Ali he looked frustrated throughout more than anything, and Joe Frazier keep coming at you and taking your best shots is enough to make anyone sick.

Mostly cuts and he could also get discouraged. He was a bit inconsistent.

Against Lyle he absorbed Lyle's best punches. Quarry had a battle-tested chin in my opinion.

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I'm not sure if Quarry was rocked by Ali. That just wasn't one of Quarry's better performances in my opinion.



Mostly cuts and he could also get discouraged. He was a bit inconsistent.

Against Lyle he absorbed Lyle's best punches. Quarry had a battle-tested chin in my opinion.

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You know to me Quarry looks like one of those guys that has a good chin but he CAN be stopped because of how easy he is to hit, a bit like De Witt or Lopez against Sanchez, Margarito vs Mosley.

IF you can keep hitting them consistently they will go and all that.

You know to me Quarry looks like one of those guys that has a good chin but he CAN be stopped because of how easy he is to hit, a bit like De Witt or Lopez against Sanchez, Margarito vs Mosley.

IF you can keep hitting them consistently they will go and all that.
Quarry had a chin made of granite, his losses to Frazier & Ali was due to "CUTS" Quarry v Frazier (1) was Ring Magazine Fight of the year (a forgotten classic)..you are vastly underestimating Quarry, he was good enough to out-box Floyd Patterson and tough enough to with-stand the bombs of Lyle, Shavers and Mac Foster, all of who hit just as hard and are as big as Foreman.. who else took care of Shavers the way Quarry did ? who else handled Lyle and Mathis as easily as Quarry did? ... like him or not Jerry Quarry was a `class act`

The guy who said Quarry out boxed Patterson must have been high on something when he watched those fights.

Quarry had a chin made of granite, his losses to Frazier & Ali was due to "CUTS" Quarry v Frazier (1) was Ring Magazine Fight of the year (a forgotten classic)..you are vastly underestimating Quarry, he was good enough to out-box Floyd Patterson and tough enough to with-stand the bombs of Lyle, Shavers and Mac Foster, all of who hit just as hard and are as big as Foreman.. who else took care of Shavers the way Quarry did ? who else handled Lyle and Mathis as easily as Quarry did? ... like him or not Jerry Quarry was a `class act`

He lost the first fight to Ali on cuts, but the second fight got stopped because he was being dominated, the final punch was a left hook that had him stumbled.

Relax im not saying he had a poor chin, he might of had a granite chin i dont know because i dont know much about him outside of his fights with Frazier/Ali.

Like him or not ? i got nothing against the guy so WTF.

I was reading up on Jerry Quarry today, and came across this article.

http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Jerry_Quarry/

At one point it reads: "George Foreman refused to give Quarry a title shot, and said in later years he purposely dodged Quarry." Has anyone else heard anything like this before? I'm not exactly sure why Foreman would doge Quarry. Jerry Quarry was a good fighter, but I'm pretty sure Foreman could have taken him.

Quarry would not have lasted more than 3 rounds against Foreman, period. Squash the bs about Foreman ducking him. Only way Quarry beats Foreman is if Foreman gets shot during the fight by an assassin from the balcony. Even then, it is only 50/50

Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras..

Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras..

I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?

A young 19 year old with 4 pro fights sparred circles around the Heavyweight Champion of the world back in the early 1960's.

The Champion's camp ended up throwing this 19 year old with 4 pro fights out of there camp because he made the Champion look silly.

There are many other Champions who got showed up in "sparring" but in a real fight would/did destroy the sparring partner.

So I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?

Other than Frazier and Ali, the toughest challenger at the moment may be Lyle, whom Frazier describes as being "poured out of concrete." Lyle is said to be the kind of fighter a champion would be wise to avoid. Foreman's handlers avoided Ellis, Quarry, Bonavena. Ali and others on the way to Jamaica. Among fighters of middling stature. Foreman fought only Gregorio Peralta and George Chuvalo.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1086982/2/index.htm

He lost the first fight to Ali on cuts, but the second fight got stopped because he was being dominated, the final punch was a left hook that had him stumbled.

Relax im not saying he had a poor chin, he might of had a granite chin i dont know because i dont know much about him outside of his fights with Frazier/Ali.

Like him or not ? i got nothing against the guy so WTF.
ok but you need to spend a bit of time watching Quarry fights other than his fights with Ali & Frazier.. try watching his fights with Patterson 1 & 2, Lyle, Shavers, Alexander, Miteff, Foster & Spencer, the Frazier (1) fight was brilliant and that version of Joe Frazier was a "Brutal fighting-machine" whom any fighter in history would be lucky to survive the distance with

[QUOTE=mickey malone;5834715]Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras.. [/QUOT
i agree.... Quarry`s boxing skills, counter-punching and chin are everything Foreman does not want in an opponent, i just cannot see Foreman win this match-up, IMO it goes just like Lyle v Quarry...the last 4rds Quarry would be all over Foreman and i dont think George would make it to the final bell..

I loved to watch Quarry but lets face it, Foreman was bein gracious and showing jerry respect, and rightly so.

Hi,

1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.

2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.

3) Dick Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.

4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.

5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.

6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.

7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.

8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.

9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet Dick Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.

I think George was vulnerable to slick, evasive boxers like Ali and Young. Can't really see how he'd have had any problems with the smaller, less powerful Quarry. Was always curious why Frazier didn't face Norton though.

I think George was vulnerable to slick, evasive boxers like Ali and Young. Can't really see how he'd have had any problems with the smaller, less powerful Quarry. Was always curious why Frazier didn't face Norton though.
Norton was a sparring partner for Frazier in the early 70s and Eddie Futch knew that Norton would be no more than `dog-meat` for Frazier...Norton v Frazier was a fight never mooted as was Holmes v Foreman

Hi,

1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.

2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.

3) Dick Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.

4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.

5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.

6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.

7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.

8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.

9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet Dick Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.
nice post, i enjoyed reading

Hi,

1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.

2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.

3) Dick Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.

4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.

5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.

6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.

7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.

8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.

9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet Dick Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.

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OK. Show us the "elbow" that cut Quarry. I see Quarry getting hit with a lot of left jabs and right crosses. Quarry didn't complain because he had no case. And Ali kicked Quarrys ass in every round that second fight. Don't try to rewrite history.

There is a rumour that Quarry handled Foreman in sparring in almost embarrassing fashion for Big George.

Foreman stated in the 90's that he purposefully ducked Jerry Quarry (one of the top contenders at the time) but it may have been just out of respect for Jerry.

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Quarry was a talented heavyweight who happened to fight(imo) in the toughest era for heavyweights. A fighter with his talent would be champ today I think. He was also a good blow by blow announcer who would do very well if he was still alive. Also,his imitation of Ali was great and spot on lol.

Quarry was a talented heavyweight who happened to fight(imo) in the toughest era for heavyweights. A fighter with his talent would be champ today I think. He was also a good blow by blow announcer who would do very well if he was still alive. Also,his imitation of Ali was great and spot on lol.

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I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?

A young 19 year old with 4 pro fights sparred circles around the Heavyweight Champion of the world back in the early 1960's.

The Champion's camp ended up throwing this 19 year old with 4 pro fights out of there camp because he made the Champion look silly.

There are many other Champions who got showed up in "sparring" but in a real fight would/did destroy the sparring partner.

So I hope your not going by there "sparring" sessions?
No.. I'm going on Quarry's all round ability..

Foreman would have needed to be at his very best to KO Quarry.. If they'd fought during the 70's, I think Foreman would have needed to travel into the later rounds in order to stop Quarry on his feet.. The 90's Foreman or the one who fought Jimmy Young would stand a good chance of losing to Quarry.. He without doubt, was the very best of the rest, back in one of the strongest eras..

If Quarry couldn't beat Ali, Frazier, or Norton , there is nothing to back up the claim that he could beat Foreman.

No.. I'm going on Quarry's all round ability..

Good enough.....

I'm just curious,how do you think Quarry would do against Sonny Liston.

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OMG that was awsome and funny LOL. Jerry Quarry is a fighter I will truly miss.

Good enough.....

I'm just curious,how do you think Quarry would do against Sonny Liston.

Depends on when in Jerry Quarry's career Liston would fight him.

Either way, Liston's jab and huge reach advantage would have been far too much for Irish Jerry.

Liston's jowls and facial wrinkles clearly show he was was well into his 40s by the time he smashed Patterson for the title on a cool Chicago evening in Sept 1962. So, even in his 40s, Liston would have been too much for Jerry.

If Liston were allowed to fight (and not throw the fight), he would have scored a middle round TKO against the more cautious, early career Jerry Quarry (the Quarry up until the Jimmy Ellis fight).

The post-Ellis slugger that Jerry Quarry morphed into (he was reacting to widespread criticism of looking hesitant and tenative against Ellis, Quarry and his camp should have been yelling long and loud of how Quarry entered the Ellis fight with a hurt back)......this version of Jerry Quarry would have been slashed by Liston in 3 or 4 rounds. Would likely have been like Foreman's August 1970 three round wipeout of Chuvalo.

In 1987 I had the pleasure of having a rather long conversation with Floyd Patterson and Floyd was convinced that Liston threw both Ali fights.

Depends on when in Jerry Quarry's career Liston would fight him.

Either way, Liston's jab and huge reach advantage would have been far too much for Irish Jerry.

Liston's jowls and facial wrinkles clearly show he was was well into his 40s by the time he smashed Patterson for the title on a cool Chicago evening in Sept 1962. So, even in his 40s, Liston would have been too much for Jerry.

If Liston were allowed to fight (and not throw the fight), he would have scored a middle round TKO against the more cautious, early career Jerry Quarry (the Quarry up until the Jimmy Ellis fight).

The post-Ellis slugger that Jerry Quarry morphed into (he was reacting to widespread criticism of looking hesitant and tenative against Ellis, Quarry and his camp should have been yelling long and loud of how Quarry entered the Ellis fight with a hurt back)......this version of Jerry Quarry would have been slashed by Liston in 3 or 4 rounds. Would likely have been like Foreman's August 1970 three round wipeout of Chuvalo.

In 1987 I had the pleasure of having a rather long conversation with Floyd Patterson and Floyd was convinced that Liston threw both Ali fights.i am interested to know more about your conversation with Patterson... dont keep it to yourself, im sure many others are also interested

Hi,

1) a Boston promoter was featured in a Spring 1973 Ring Magazine story offering a million bucks to Foreman to make his first title defense against Quarry.

2) there seems to have been some financial hassle that forced Foreman to make all his title defenses on foreign soil.

3) Dick Sadler, a shady elderly hustler who controlled Foreman's career evidently right up to George's losing the title, was quoted in a 1971 Ring magazine article that Foreman would not be fighting top contenders before getting a title shot. A year earlier, on the undercard of Frazier-Ellis, Foreman received a bad scare from a crafty soft punching veteran Gregorio Peralta. The face-first upright mauler George Chuvalo was, of course, made to order for Foreman.

4) Quarry never seemed to beat opponents who had faster hands than him and who threw combinations. Most forget that Frazier, with his thick legs making Joe resemble a typical slugger, had the hand speed of a middleweight until he faded in his career after whipping Ali in 1971.
But.....Foreman....like Lyle, Mac Foster, Shavers, Bodell, Randy Neumann etc., did not have fast hands and usually did not throw combinations. Foreman could have pushed and bullied the much shorter and 20 pounds lighter Quarry.

5) In 1991 I had the pleasure in talking with a true gentleman and boxing scholar, Gil Clancy. Gil, as he did in the 1991 boxing book "In the Corner", mentioned how Quarry always had marriage problems keeping him mentally off-balance (and that was besides the large child support payments Jerry was burdened with from his first marriage).
From 1972 until sometime in the 80s, Jerry was with a beautiful, flashy, tempermental and obviously expensive blonde, Arlene Charles, known as Charlie. Jerry was still with Arlene Charles at the 1982 Holmes-Cooney tussle, I saw them together. Before Quarry's second Frazier fight, this blonde was telling newspapers that Jerry looked slow.
Gil Clancy swatted down a false rumor that Quarry had frozen in his dressing room and almost refused to come out and fight Frazier in their rematch in 1974 (as Max Baer froze up in his dressing room before facing Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey had to threaten to fight the playboy Baer to get Max into the ring). Totally untrue said Clancy.

6) supposedly Quarry had told people over the years that Patterson was the dirtiest fighter he ever fought.

7) Quarry and his handlers and management team unbelievably did not take advantage of slow motion reviews of when he was smashed with Ali's elbow in the third round of their first meeting (1970). The VHS tape of that fight, when viewed frame by frame, very clearly shows Ali jabbing and then hooking his left elbow into Quarry's eye. Totally illegal. Quarry could have contested the result, took a financial settlement to not block the coming Frazier-Ali first fight, and been the first title defense for whomever won (which was Frazier).
Jerry could have had the rather uninterested, unfocused, self-satisfied Frazier who fought Terry Daniels. Until Gil Clancy resurrected Jerry in late 1972, Quarry had poor management and suspect training.

8) Quarry never got over widespread criticism that he was too timid in his loss to Jimmy Ellis (no one knew he had injured his back and should have canceled the fight).
This stubborness led to Jerry being more of a slugger for almost all his later fights.
Sports Illustrated had a detailed article with drawings before his first Frazier fight showing how Quarry would block Joe's left hooks and counter, thus winning the fight. Quarry instead fought Joe's fight and had no chance.

9) another mental flameout happened in his second Ali fight. For two rounds he fought a smart, strategic fight. Quarry quit in round three and Ali STILL could not knock him down or even cut him (Ali was not using his elbow that night). By round seven Quarry simply stopped punching, which caused the referee to stop the non-fight.
Quarry's team should have had him fight first before his brother Mike took on a dangerous Bob Foster. Foster had smashed top contender Vicente Rondon only two months earlier in a couple of rounds. Foster had knocked out wily vet Dick Tiger, a horrible beating. Mike was knocked out by Foster for about five minutes and Jerry flamed out mentally and lost. This loss led to Gil Clancy training Jerry.



A post that shouldn't have anything related to it other than the topic of "Foreman dodging Quarry" turns into a post almost entirely related to hugging the nuts of one Joe Frazier.They work in odd ways do these old croaking Frazier die hards,Dedicated to preserving and protecting the (equally protected) career of a shaky chinned pugilist who's entire legacy is based off of one win.

I don't know,I don't know whether to shake my head or just chuckle a little at such a desperate almost pathetic effort

quarry was a very nice fighter