If Fedor signs with UFC (which I hear is close to happening) and fights Brock Lesnar for the UFC Title, how shocked would you be if Lesnar somehow managed to win the fight? I'm not saying I think Lesnar would win but if he could pull it off somehow, what would your initial reaction be?

A second question in the thread is in your opinion what is Brock's best game plan or strategy to beat Fedor?

very shocked

not shocked but I would be very disappointed. with the right gameplan, brock can pull off the win but I really want Fedor to win this. I think it would be the icing on the cake from the Pride era.

Rampage became UFC champ, shogun ko'd Liddell, Nogeuira beat Sylvia, and Fedor beat Arlovski and Sylvia. The only thing left now is for Fedor to become UFC champ to complete Pride's pwnage of the UFC(I mean "in ring" pwnage because I realize that UFC literally owns Pride).

i wont be i got brock all the way ive said it befor and ill say it again....he will not lose to fedor.....

i wont be i got brock all the way ive said it befor and ill say it again....he will not lose to fedor.....

Why do you feel so strongly that Lesnar will win?

its his time right now....his preperation and intensity in the ring will be too much for even fedor......i dont see anyone beating him......now on the other hand i will be shocked out my ass if fedor stops him.....

its his time right now....his preperation and intensity in the ring will be too much for even fedor......i dont see anyone beating him......now on the other hand i will be shocked out my ass if fedor stops him.....
You are underrating Fedor. Even if you do assume that Brock is on the top of his game, a statement which I would question due to his lack of experience, Fedor is at the top of his game as well. Fedor is in his low thirties, usually does not take much damage in his fights and he has shown no sign of slipping.

I would be surprized if Brock does not get stopped. I expect Fedor to beat him in 1 round.

its his time right now....his preperation and intensity in the ring will be too much for even fedor......i dont see anyone beating him......now on the other hand i will be shocked out my ass if fedor stops him.....

I'd give your highly overrated view of Lesnar (and mistakenly under rated view of Fedor) more credit if you actually told us the actual determining factor of Lesnar winning and Fedor losing rather than just: "it's his time". Honestly...let's see a bit more effort to explain people's reason for their pick.

I'd also want to know why you think you'd be shocked if Fedor stops Lesnar. Is Lesnar really that skillful of a fighter that you think Fedor has no chance of winning against him? Is Fedor really that bad a fighter that you think he can't beat Lesnar? Have you honestly watched more than 30% of Fedor's fights to conclude that Fedor beating Lesnar would make you "shocked out of your own ass"?

ok i know how "great" u all see fedor and ive seen many of his fights and also realise he is one of the best out there if not the best.....im yet to see him face a heavyweight like brock though....there is no way he is taking him down....now in the stand up the edge of course is fedor but i dont see a standup war here...i see a ground n pound advantage to brock that will determine the outcome....i know i know fedor has been taken down and still he's came out on top but not to someone like brock...brute force and pure determination along with his strenght will be the deciding factor to his win...ill bet with u fellas whatever since if not today friday will be the day that the "great" fedor is finally in the ufc

Brock will win!!! Fedor is overrated, and doesnt work as hard as Brock does, there is not ONE solid SOLID win on Fedors list of 30 guys that he's beat, the big names are guys who are ALOT smaller or guys who were never really that good to start with, Andrei has a chin about as good as Khan's and was havin a better fight till he ****ed up, it wasnt that Fedor out-smarted him its just he ****ed up lol Brock will beat Fedor!

I'd hang myself.

I would be in awe but nothing like how I was when I watched Rashad-Liddell, Serra-GSP I, Rampage-Shogun etc. etc.

Fedor isn't overrated in my point of view. He is just one lucky mofo. He finds ways to win when it seems like he shouldn't be able to. He is just great. If Lesnar beats him, I will be shocked but not like how the TS is thinking.

I would be in awe but nothing like how I was when I watched Rashad-Liddell, Serra-GSP I, Rampage-Shogun etc. etc.

Fedor isn't overrated in my point of view. He is just one lucky mofo. He finds ways to win when it seems like he shouldn't be able to. He is just great. If Lesnar beats him, I will be shocked but not like how the TS is thinking.

I was just thinking it would be a big upset as on this board and Sherdog the majority of people are saying Fedor is gonna kill Lesnar! TBH I've only seen a handful of Fedor fights on youtube and the Sylvia and Arlovski fights on TV! I've no idea who will win but Fedor sounds great but I've been impressed with Lesnar in his fights so far!

I was just thinking it would be a big upset as on this board and Sherdog the majority of people are saying Fedor is gonna kill Lesnar! TBH I've only seen a handful of Fedor fights on youtube and the Sylvia and Arlovski fights on TV! I've no idea who will win but Fedor sounds great but I've been impressed with Lesnar in his fights so far!

You need to watch him beat the queer into Heath Herring.

Also... Watch him pummel the years off of Nogueira's life when Nogueira was in his absolute Prime. Nogueira was considered damn near unbeatable when Fedor nearly killed him. There are two fights. None of which are even remotely close.

If Fedor signs with UFC (which I hear is close to happening) and fights Brock Lesnar for the UFC Title, how shocked would you be if Lesnar somehow managed to win the fight? I'm not saying I think Lesnar would win but if he could pull it off somehow, what would your initial reaction be?

A second question in the thread is in your opinion what is Brock's best game plan or strategy to beat Fedor?
I don't know man, Fedor can still bang, and hang. But the dude is way past his prime, his stamina has declined, and is slow to get up once on his back. relying on locking to "catch a breather". If brock Lesnar takes him out.....it would be like Hector Camacho beating up an old Sugar Ray Leonard.

Think way back when Ken Shamrock got beat by Tito Ortiz. Sent him into retirement.

mma heavyweight division is a joke so i could care less

I would not be shocked at all....i would mourn all the pride fans who commit mass suicide afterwards, then go have a few beer an celebrate the win.

I don't know man, Fedor can still bang, and hang. But the dude is way past his prime, his stamina has declined, and is slow to get up once on his back. relying on locking to "catch a breather". If brock Lesnar takes him out.....it would be like Hector Camacho beating up an old Sugar Ray Leonard.

Think way back when Ken Shamrock got beat by Tito Ortiz. Sent him into retirement.

Fedor is not way passed his prime. He is not passed his prime at all.

Fedor isn't even 33, and he has not taken a lot of damage in his career, and he's only been fighting pro since 2000.

I have seen nothing to suggest that his stamina has declined, or that he is slow to get off his back. If he looks slow, it is likely because every move is technical. With proper technique, you do not need to go 100mph with every move.

As for the stamina issue; perhaps you are referring to the fact that he appeared slightly winded after knocking Arlovski's block off. This is normal for any fighter, in so fast-paced a matchup. What makes a champion is the ability to dig deeper, so as to be able fight on at full force and to not make mistakes when the going gets tough. In other words, to be able to deal with adversity. This is a quality which Fedor has shown time and again, and is the number one reason why I back Fedor to win against any opponent.

If anything, Fedor is the best he's ever been. Experience is something for which there is no substitute.

there is not ONE solid SOLID win on Fedors list of 30 guys that he's beat

I'm sorry, but no mate. :nonono:

Honestly guys..Im telling and take my word for it...Brock obviously looks impressive etc....

But Brock has little to no chance in beating Fedor...

Fedor is a MUCH faster striker..and i dont know f*ck all about Brocks striking ability..but i do know he sure as hell aint knocking out Fedor while standing up.. Fedor's gas tank is ONE OF HIS TRADEMARKS..he doesnt to out for the K.O. GUYS!!!
the man just goes on the damn ground and can adapt to ANYthing..he seriously is like a cameleon and is always well prepared more than anyone else in the HISTORY of mma so far.. as we saw with that Fujita guy and that Randleman slam Fedor's recovery time is f*cken nuts..

Brock on top of Fedor means NOTHING..i bet u.. all Fedor has been doin all this time is figuring out how to get brock off of him...and guess what..
anybody who knows pride fighting knows that it could be argued that fedor is at his best when the other guy is on top..no joke..this man has submitted a guys while he's workin on the bottom..

and as far as Fedor on top..Well out of 30 fights 7 K.O. 16 wins by submission and 7 decisions..

what that means is that seeing Brock huffing and puffing after he's repeatedly punching mir for 2 rounds shows me that he better hope god gives him a gas tank borrowed from Ali before he went 15 with Fraizer cause the last thing Fedor is gonna do is get himself in a position like mir was stuck in..

Fedor by Fatality...

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Nice post man. Karma sent.

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Nice post man. Karma sent.

and im givin u k back cause of your av..i dunno who that is..but i do like it

and im givin u k back cause of your av..i dunno who that is..but i do like it
Kaoklai Kaennorsing vs Siala-Mou "Mighty Mo" Siligia

Kaoklai Kaennorsing vs Siala-Mou "Mighty Mo" Siligia

ya i youtubed couldnt find it but that guy in the air is a straight badass..

I was just thinking it would be a big upset as on this board and Sherdog the majority of people are saying Fedor is gonna kill Lesnar! TBH I've only seen a handful of Fedor fights on youtube and the Sylvia and Arlovski fights on TV! I've no idea who will win but Fedor sounds great but I've been impressed with Lesnar in his fights so far!

Exactly how I feel. To be honest, I went for Herring in that fight and Herring was owned. He looked like he had no experience what so ever. I give Lesnar some crap for how he finished Couture but Couture would have loss anyways.

Fedor just finds ways man. I'm telling you. I watched him since Pride. There was times when I would just sit and be like... "wtf!?" and he Fedor wins. I dont doubt Fedor at all anymore. When you get tombstone piledrived onto your head and still win or take everything Crocop has to offer... You get no doubting from me.

i just watched it!! mo went down in the 20sec mark...that kick was the finishing blow too!!!

ya i youtubed couldnt find it but that guy in the air is a straight badass..
Lol, I should've just said Kaoklai vs Mighty Mo.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy9xOyNDCoM

i just watched it!! mo went down in the 20sec mark...that kick was the finishing blow too!!!
The fact that he leaves his feet to deliver the kick is the most amazing part to me.

The fact that he leaves his feet to deliver the kick is the most amazing part to me.

absolutely...where do u see stuff like that??? Movies!!! and only movies.. i watch the ufc and **** all the time but even though its called Mixed martial arts..u dont see the stereotype moves that make martial arts..martial arts.

boy i had to watch pride from youtube vids etc for YEARS AND YEARS man..
and he may not be the best..But Genki Sudo was something special..

absolutely...where do u see stuff like that??? Movies!!! and only movies.. i watch the ufc and **** all the time but even though its called Mixed martial arts..u dont see the stereotype moves that make martial arts..martial arts.

boy i had to watch pride from youtube vids etc for YEARS AND YEARS man..
and he may not be the best..But Genki Sudo was something special..
Dude I had to reply simply because you mentioned Genki Sudo.

That man is a true martial ARTIST in every sense of the words.

I'd be VERY shocked...Brock posesses a lot of power in his hands but Fedor's got the much better striking and his ground game is phenominal, although LEsnar's a ****ing beast as a wrestler, i think Fedor's grappling game as a whole is a big step ahead of LEsnar's.

I'd be VERY shocked...Brock posesses a lot of power in his hands but Fedor's got the much better striking and his ground game is phenominal, although LEsnar's a ****ing beast as a wrestler, i think Fedor's grappling game as a whole is a big step ahead of LEsnar's.

absolutely..u have any doubts about lesnars gas tank? Considering Fedor's tank is already proven top notch..i mean fedor doesnt just stay in one position when he's on the ground man. he's CONSTANTLY moving..which shows how great his stamina is.

absolutely..u have any doubts about lesnars gas tank? Considering Fedor's tank is already proven top notch..i mean fedor doesnt just stay in one position when he's on the ground man. he's CONSTANTLY moving..which shows how great his stamina is.

no doubt, Lesnar was gassing round 2 of his fight with Couture

Dude I had to reply simply because you mentioned Genki Sudo.

That man is a true martial ARTIST in every sense of the words.

yes he was...the prince was second when it came to entrances too..[sorry nazfans but its true]

You know guys Brock isnt some dumbass..he's actually smart etc..
but even wit his intellegence and whatever dana fills inside his head..i have a feeling that all his confidence may go out the window when he realizes across the octagon theres a man with a lifeless look on his face who once quoted something along the lines of this:

"An opponent is someone that is in the way of my income and my childrens food..that person must be eliminated"...

oh and as if fedor's nicknames such as "The Russian Miliary Experiment" "The Last Emperor" "The Cyborg" and ofcourse "god" isnt enough..here is this mans drawings..NO JOKE:

http://www.mmaroot.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/fedor-emelianenko-drawing-1.jpg

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how the f*ck is Lesnar gonna deal with this man/Cyborg????

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he draws for his kids..2 little girls

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id cry...... tru story

Brock will win!!! Fedor is overrated, and doesnt work as hard as Brock does, there is not ONE solid SOLID win on Fedors list of 30 guys that he's beat, the big names are guys who are ALOT smaller or guys who were never really that good to start with, Andrei has a chin about as good as Khan's and was havin a better fight till he ****ed up, it wasnt that Fedor out-smarted him its just he ****ed up lol Brock will beat Fedor!


wow, a lot of stupid in this post eventhough i respect you as a poster...

Fedor is one of the hardest working people in mma.

if the japanese documentary hadn't been taken off of youtube, you could see for yourself.

in the meantime you can see short clips of light, round-robin sparring & a weight circuit from preparation for the fight with Barnett that fell through.

One solid win in 30 guys? Are you smoking crack?

In his 4th fight he took Ricardo Arona - who beat Sakuraba, Henderson, Wanderlei, and Overeem. yeah he fights at 205 these days but he's undefeated at AbuDhabi and has won open weight tournaments there.

In his 8th fight he took Babulu in a close match. This is the same Babalu that took out former UFC heavyweight champ Mo Smith, Shogun Rua, and Pele. Used to fight at heavyweight, eventhough he's a top 205 man now.

In his 12th fight he took Semmy Schilt, the only fighter to win 3 K1 World GP titles in a row. While his mma record is unremarkable, some of the names on his list are notable - mezger, kondo, funaki, minowa, and he'd avenged the vast majority of his early losses by the time he stepped in with Fedor.

In his 13th fight he took Herring, back in Herring's prime & stopped him, something Brock couldn't do.

In his 14th fight he took the title off of Nog in Nog's prime. They'd fight 3 times, the second a no contest from a headbutt, and the 3rd time an absolute dismantling.

In his 16th fight he subbed Fujita, arguably the first man to beat Mark Kerr (the Vovchanchyn knees were illegal). At that time Mark Kerr was an absolute animal.

He followed up with wins against Goodridge, Coleman, and Randleman - in other words a UFC tournament finalist and 2 former heavyweight champions. Randleman in particular was coming off a KO victory over CroCop.

Then he armbarred Ogawa - an Olympic medalist in Judo who's 6'4 and weighed around 230 in that fight.

He avenged his earlier cut loss to Kohsaka with a doctor's stoppage in 05 before absolutely dismantling Mirko Crocop in what was mostly a standup battle.

At the end of that year he took out 6 foot 7 inch 400 pounder Zuluzinho; a guy previously undefeated in 15 fights. Fedor destroyed him in such a way that on most MMA sites the term "get zulu'd" refers to someone being absolutely mauled by another fighter & beaten like he'd stolen something.

His next 6 wins: Coleman, Hunt, Lindland, Hong Man Choi, Tim Silvia, Andrei Arlovski - actually do match up very well against everyone on Brock's entire record on an individual basis. We're talking a champ of UFC & Pride, a K1 Champ with a granite chin, an Olympic Silver medalist in Greco Roman (more accomplished wrestler than Couture, but the same might be said for Brock), a 7 foot 2 inch 300+lb giant of a K1 champion, and 2 former UFC Heavyweight Champions.

Under-sized opponents?
Some of Fedors opponents have weighed more than 100 pounds more than even Brock!

Under-skilled opponents?
Fedor's opponents respectively are some of the "who's who" of fight sports. Brock's a guy with what, 3 decent wins over much smaller guys?
Mir beat Sylvia and who else? Over-the-hill guys like Nog, Pete Williams, and Tank?
Couture & Herring have both seen better days and both have been .500 fighters for a long time.

Having a hard time finding it now, but there was a quote floating around before the Arlovski fight by Fedor, saying that Andrei had all the tools to be a champion, but not the mentality, that he gets to excited and makes mistakes.

I worry about Fedor because I want the guy to win, but if I think about it honestly, there's nothing that Brock has that Fedor hasn't seen before.

The bad thing about hype is that it has a bad habit of distracting you from the things that really matter when comparing fighters.

In any other fight sport, a guy who's 4-1 going up against a guy who's 30-1 (who's only loss was a freak cut from the first punch of the fight) would be called a mismatch.

Great post Pork Chop. I'd be ridiculously shocked....

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he draws for his kids..2 little girls

I missed that part about the kids at the bottom, I was about to say those are some gay a$s drawings but if it's for his kids that's cool! He's a damn good at drawing!

its looking alot more like i wont be able to gloat on all u fools about brock beating fedor.....the fool turned down a lucrative offer and is demanding some above the wall shiat that i know for a fact dana white wont give in to....i dont blame him....he really doesnt want brock right now

Fedor is not way passed his prime. He is not passed his prime at all.

Fedor isn't even 33, and he has not taken a lot of damage in his career, and he's only been fighting pro since 2000.

I have seen nothing to suggest that his stamina has declined, or that he is slow to get off his back. If he looks slow, it is likely because every move is technical. With proper technique, you do not need to go 100mph with every move.

As for the stamina issue; perhaps you are referring to the fact that he appeared slightly winded after knocking Arlovski's block off. This is normal for any fighter, in so fast-paced a matchup. What makes a champion is the ability to dig deeper, so as to be able fight on at full force and to not make mistakes when the going gets tough. In other words, to be able to deal with adversity. This is a quality which Fedor has shown time and again, and is the number one reason why I back Fedor to win against any opponent.

If anything, Fedor is the best he's ever been. Experience is something for which there is no substitute.
Oh sh*t!!! Ay man, I was one 5th Heneiken when I wrote this!!! I thought we were taking about Randy Couture!!

its looking alot more like i wont be able to gloat on all u fools about brock beating fedor.....the fool turned down a lucrative offer and is demanding some above the wall shiat that i know for a fact dana white wont give in to....i dont blame him....he really doesnt want brock right now

actually the crazy dollar amount was based on the ppv buys doing record numbers and was in no way realistic.

i think the ufc tends to sign people who are desperate to fight in the ufc.
their contracts are ridiculous for someone who's not desperate.
it's true that m1 management may be interfering in this process & preventing any good deals from going through, however if you see some of the comments fedor's made about the contracts being offered by the ufc, one would wonder why anyone would agree to that.

actually the crazy dollar amount was based on the ppv buys doing record numbers and was in no way realistic.

i think the ufc tends to sign people who are desperate to fight in the ufc.
their contracts are ridiculous for someone who's not desperate.
it's true that m1 management may be interfering in this process & preventing any good deals from going through, however if you see some of the comments fedor's made about the contracts being offered by the ufc, one would wonder why anyone would agree to that.


woooo!! damn porky youre on fire!!!:boxing:

Oh sh*t!!! Ay man, I was one 5th Heneiken when I wrote this!!! I thought we were taking about Randy Couture!!
Lol, I enjoy drunk posting quite often.

Brock will win!!! Fedor is overrated, and doesnt work as hard as Brock does, there is not ONE solid SOLID win on Fedors list of 30 guys that he's beat, the big names are guys who are ALOT smaller or guys who were never really that good to start with, Andrei has a chin about as good as Khan's and was havin a better fight till he ****ed up, it wasnt that Fedor out-smarted him its just he ****ed up lol Brock will beat Fedor!

What in thee hell?
Fedor is by no means the giant heavyweight that many seem to think he is.

Fedor is 6'0 230, List of opponents bigger than him.

1.Andrei Arlovski 6'4 245
2.Tim Sylvia 6'8 260
3.Choi Hong-man 7'2 330
4.Zuluzinho 6'7 390
5.Cro Cop 6'2 230
6.Antonio Nogueira 6'3 240
7.Naoya Ogawa 6'4 250
8.Gary Goodridge 6'3 250
9.Heath Herring 6'4 250
10.Semmy Schilt 6'11 286
11.Kerry Schall 6'2 265

i wont be i got brock all the way ive said it befor and ill say it again....he will not lose to fedor.....

what MMA skill Brock can be able to bring in his match with Fedor? his wrestling?LOL Fedor will Kill him

I wouldn't be shocked at all. Brock's combination of size, speed, agility, and wrestling ability make him a matchup nightmare for anyone.

brock would hit him in the temple and fedor would do that funky chicken dance again................. probably not but lets not rule it out