been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't like MMA because of it's fanbase and because of it's deluded journalists.

they act like MMA fighters are the best Athletes in the world, yet they show up fat and out of shape. Their champions are from the wwe and they only have 4 fights under their belt. They go on about a guy named "Chuck" and how amazing at standup he is (he's terrible). They call boring wrestling matches the "Hagler Hearns" of MMA. They use big words like "world class" as if an attempt to rapidly catch up to other age old sports.

The worst part, it's fans drink this stuff like water and fall like sheep.

Not a knock on people who enjoy the versatility of the sport (guys like Georges st. Peirre) but in general it's just an overhyped WWE 2.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't last a round even with todays terrible HW's, yet he succeeds in MMA after only 4 fights. Shaq might even get some success.

unprofessional. IMO

I'm not going to continue mindlessly flaming the sport like I used to, but this is what I think of it.

I don't like MMA because of it's fanbase and because of it's deluded journalists.

they act like MMA fighters are the best Athletes in the world, yet they show up fat and out of shape. Their champions are from the wwe and they only have 4 fights under their belt. They go on about a guy named "Chuck" and how amazing at standup he is (he's terrible). They call boring wrestling matches the "Hagler Hearns" of MMA. They use big words like "world class" as if an attempt to rapidly catch up to other age old sports.

The worst part, it's fans drink this stuff like water and fall like sheep.

Not a knock on people who enjoy the versatility of the sport (guys like Georges st. Peirre) but in general it's just an overhyped WWE 2.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't last a round even with todays terrible HW's, yet he succeeds in MMA after only 4 fights. Shaq might even get some success.

unprofessional. IMO

I'm not going to continue mindlessly flaming the sport like I used to, but this is what I think of it.
true indeed i agree 100% with what you say

I don't like MMA because of it's fanbase and because of it's deluded journalists.

they act like MMA fighters are the best Athletes in the world, yet they show up fat and out of shape. Their champions are from the wwe and they only have 4 fights under their belt. They go on about a guy named "Chuck" and how amazing at standup he is (he's terrible). They call boring wrestling matches the "Hagler Hearns" of MMA. They use big words like "world class" as if an attempt to rapidly catch up to other age old sports.

The worst part, it's fans drink this stuff like water and fall like sheep.

Not a knock on people who enjoy the versatility of the sport (guys like Georges st. Peirre) but in general it's just an overhyped WWE 2.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't last a round even with todays terrible HW's, yet he succeeds in MMA after only 4 fights. Shaq might even get some success.

unprofessional. IMO

I'm not going to continue mindlessly flaming the sport like I used to, but this is what I think of it.

But Lesnar was an accomplished amateur wrestler, winning the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship. he nearly made the Olympics aswell. he didnt just com from the wwe. wrestling is a major part in mma. he wasnt just a ''wwe'' wrestler.

anthony mundine come from a ruby background, and turned to boxing and after only 3 years in the sport was wba world champion. so thats like saying ruby player's can come to boxing and win a world title.

been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could care less about human ****fighting

But Lesnar was an accomplished amateur wrestler, winning the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship. he nearly made the Olympics aswell. he didnt just com from the wwe. wrestling is a major part in mma. he wasnt just a ''wwe'' wrestler.

anthony mundine come from a ruby background, and turned to boxing and after only 3 years in the sport was wba world champion. so thats like saying ruby player's can come to boxing and win a world title.

Anythony Mundine is not and won't ever be anywhere near boxing's best. Lesnar is the UFC's best (some might argue Silva).

and 2 years is a lot more than it took Lesnar to become a household name in the UFC.

been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!
I quite like it.. I've got some friends who are involved in the sport, & have gained a reasonable amount of knowledge.. The fact there are so many different disciplines means very few, if any, keep a clean record.. That parts quite exciting.. I'm only into stand up though, & tend to lose interest when they start rolling around the floor.. I appreciate the skill involved, but I don't get too much justification out of seeing a guy get stopped with a foot, or an arm bar.. I like it when 2 stand up merchants get at it, but I haven't witnessed any good boxers yet.. Some good punchers though.. I think the reason for this is the 3oz gloves.. The emphasis then has to be, get em out of there quick, & with all other disciplines considered, there isn't much time to box, much the same as a street fight.. I also like K1 & Pride, but Pro Box is my first love..

My favs mma boys (some not ufc) no order..

Randy Corture
Hickson Gracie
Royce Gracie
Remi Boniyaski
Rich Franklyn
Marco Ruiz
George St Pierre
Forrest Griffin (he can box a bit)
Steffan Bonner (so can he)
Mat Hughes
Dan Henderson

Oh!....and Ray Mercer lol..

UFC is ok. I stick to marquee bouts tho. Whereas in boxing, I watch any piece of **** fight. :rofl:

I could care less about human ****fighting

It's 'couldn't care less' damn it!

I could care less about human ****fighting

Yep: Low-brow street fights for violence freaks.

Poet

Yep: Low-brow street fights for violence freaks.

Poet

dont you call any1 or any sport. you never had the heart or the balls to fight. you stick to writing your poetry pusssy!

MMGAY is a lame product that uses an exagerrated wwe style of marketing to draw in the lowest form of scum that unfortunately inhabits todays society.

MMGAY is not popular in north america the ufc is,and without the ufc mma is nothing and that is a fact.The ufc's fanbase are casual middle class white fans who will eventually move out of their parents home and graduate college and realise what idiotic morons they were for ever having followed such a lame fad

I have no respect or MMA,I have no respect or it's fighters and you can shove this thread straight up your backside sunshine

MMGAY discussion isn't welcome on MY FORUM!

I quite like it.

And why doesn't this suprise me?......Do they score points for taking it up the rectum as often as you do Malone?

keep them cheeks closed fella,never know when a bully boy is lurking




UFC is ok. I stick to marquee bouts tho. Whereas in boxing, I watch any piece of **** fight. :rofl:

:dunce:

I really don't watch much mma, sometimes i'll tune in or a buddy will invite me to his pad to watch the ppv. I respect all of the arts in mma but only a handful of dudes are really good and master these arts. Its brutal to watch a lot of these guys fight sometimes, they just plain suck and the announcers make it seem as if they're superhuman.

I have friends who are into MMA, who fight and I've watched it 'unreligiously' for quite a few years.

I have a background in Martial Arts and studied Kung Fu and Ninjitsu for several years (I realise this is not MMA, but many do come from a mixed martial art background). I switched to boxing in my late teens. In Kung Fu sparring I hated fighting with guys who were good with their hands (punches combinations etc), they fought at a closer distance to what I found comfortable and I found it far harder to block and avoid punches than I did kicks, due to the speed of attack and distance (no sidekick or roundhouse comes at you at the speed of an accurate jab!). Its why I took up boxing!

MMA is entertaining but I just dont find the ground work fun to watch at all. When you re spoilt with watching great boxers who use punches as their sole offensive tool it is amazing how inept some of the MMA guys are with their fists, truely shocking! AND then you find out that some of these guys are 4th Dan this or 5th Degree black belt that and you wonder about the veracity of the whole martial art grading systems that have lead the pathway for many of the exponents.

Remember, as a competitive sport the MMA is young in comparison to boxing and it will evolve, fighters will get better and more rounded in their disciplines. I see the appeal but I cant see it becoming anything to me like boxing is. No history, heritage or glamour.......yet!

I have friends who are into MMA, who fight and I've watched it 'unreligiously' for quite a few years.

I have a background in Martial Arts and studied Kung Fu and Ninjitsu for several years (I realise this is not MMA, but many do come from a mixed martial art background). I switched to boxing in my late teens. In Kung Fu sparring I hated fighting with guys who were good with their hands (punches combinations etc), they fought at a closer distance to what I found comfortable and I found it far harder to block and avoid punches than I did kicks, due to the speed of attack and distance (no sidekick or roundhouse comes at you at the speed of an accurate jab!). Its why I took up boxing!

MMA is entertaining but I just dont find the ground work fun to watch at all. When you re spoilt with watching great boxers who use punches as their sole offensive tool it is amazing how inept some of the MMA guys are with their fists, truely shocking! AND then you find out that some of these guys are 4th Dan this or 5th Degree black belt that and you wonder about the veracity of the whole martial art grading systems that have lead the pathway for many of the exponents.
Remember, as a competitive sport the MMA is young in comparison to boxing and it will evolve, fighters will get better and more rounded in their disciplines. I see the appeal but I cant see it becoming anything to me like boxing is. No history, heritage or glamour.......yet!

This is exactly how I feel.

so silly they dont know how to punch so they decide to roll around on the floor? i dont get it

And why doesn't this suprise me?......Do they score points for taking it up the rectum as often as you do Malone?

keep them cheeks closed fella,never know when a bully boy is lurking






:dunce:
And your rectum does the talking... Seems like you've got the runs today...

Anythony Mundine is not and won't ever be anywhere near boxing's best. Lesnar is the UFC's best (some might argue Silva).

and 2 years is a lot more than it took Lesnar to become a household name in the UFC.

Technically? No way in hell. Overall? His wrestling is good but his size is his biggest thing. He dominates people purely on size alone. Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar, lasted a good amount of time but everyone knew Couture was gonna go lose at some point. In this case it showed w/o laying on a guy Lesnar isn't that great. He lost the stand up and in the clinch. Popped a good shot behind the ear/temple area and couture whent down. Mir vs Lesnar he didn't do much standing up and Mir possibly could have one if it was a stand up fight, he layed on Mir in good position using his weight and pummeled his face. Lesnar is no where near the UFC's best at ALL.

MMGAY is a lame product that uses an exagerrated wwe style of marketing to draw in the lowest form of scum that unfortunately inhabits todays society.

MMGAY is not popular in north america the ufc is,and without the ufc mma is nothing and that is a fact.The ufc's fanbase are casual middle class white fans who will eventually move out of their parents home and graduate college and realise what idiotic morons they were for ever having followed such a lame fad

I have no respect or MMA,I have no respect or it's fighters and you can shove this thread straight up your backside sunshine

MMGAY discussion isn't welcome on MY FORUM!

What does UFC do, MMA, thanks...

UFC is popular all over the world. Strikeforce is very popular in the bay area. MMA would be something without the UFC, Affliction (though now dead) and Strikeforce would rise to prominence, dominating the US portion of MMA. Dream and Sengoku would continue their reign over mma in the Asian/Japanese market.

You don't have to respect them, but you would get ****ed up by them.



People should know you can love both sports...

dont you call any1 or any sport. you never had the heart or the balls to fight. you stick to writing your poetry pusssy!

Awwww, another butt hurt alt wanting his binky :bottle: The only fighting YOU do is with that 2 inch pecker of yours and that Polish sausage you crammed up you bung :boxing:

Poet

What does UFC do, MMA, thanks

Pardon?

UFC is popular all over the world. Strikeforce is very popular in the bay area. MMA would be something without the UFC, Affliction (though now dead) and Strikeforce would rise to prominence, dominating the US portion of MMA. Dream and Sengoku would continue their reign over mma in the Asian/Japanese market.

Wrong,the UFC is popular in north america and north america alone,They have managed to create a good following in the English market but other than that there is no other country in the world where the ufc is popular.As I understand the UFC just put on an event in germany and it flopped,the fights sucked,ticket sales were slow and the german fans were not pleased with what they saw

you just said Affliction was dead yet somehow it would rise to dominance:?!:

Japanese mma is dead atleast in the mainstream and that is a fact.It enjoyed mainstream popularity during the late 90's to early 21st centuary thanks to japanese pro wrestler Kazushi sakuraba's dismantling of the gracie family but it has declined greatly since then.....ratings don't lie

dream is struggling greatly and is in desperation for television ratings and probably won't be around this time next year.

You don't have to respect them, but you would get ****ed up by them.


People should know you can love both sports...

I don't respect overgrown jock wrestlers sorry nor would I ever roll around naked on the floor with them and allow them to *uck me up...I'm not Malone

What does UFC do, MMA, thanks...

UFC is popular all over the world. Strikeforce is very popular in the bay area. MMA would be something without the UFC, Affliction (though now dead) and Strikeforce would rise to prominence, dominating the US portion of MMA. Dream and Sengoku would continue their reign over mma in the Asian/Japanese market.

You don't have to respect them, but you would get ****ed up by them.



People should know you can love both sports...

ufc does not have world popularity. It caters to young white males with it's WWE style advertising.

Lesnar is thier champ, therefore he is the UFc's top dog.

On top of that, the only reason the UFC can get even half decent PPV's is because they shove every single star they have on one card.

Pardon?

UFC, Ultimate Fighting Championship, they hold MMA fights, Mixed Martial Arts.


Wrong,the UFC is popular in north america and north america alone,They have managed to create a good following in the English market but other than that there is no other country in the world where the ufc is popular.As I understand the UFC just put on an event in germany and it flopped,the fights sucked,ticket sales were slow and the german fans were not pleased with what they saw
The UFC doesn't have to sell to be popular, I'm not talking tickets and such. They are commonly known to be the Major Leagues of MMA, they attract fighters globally from everywhere. The common mindframe of aspiring MMA athletes is to get to the UFC to fight the best. If there is an MMA market in a country you can get bet the fighters wish/beg/hope to be in the UFC.


you just said Affliction was dead yet somehow it would rise to dominance:?!:
If you read it you would understand that had they not folded. Also there would be a chance that they would not have since they would no longer have any competition from the UFC.


Japanese mma is dead atleast in the mainstream and that is a fact.It enjoyed mainstream popularity during the late 90's to early 21st centuary thanks to japanese pro wrestler Kazushi sakuraba's dismantling of the gracie family but it has declined greatly since then.....ratings don't lie

dream is struggling greatly and is in desperation for television ratings and probably won't be around this time next year.

Dream needs ratings yes, but ratings isn't all there is to the story. You obviously don't know much about Japanese fighting be it K-1 or Sengoku. MMA is VERY commonplace there.



I don't respect overgrown jock wrestlers sorry nor would I ever roll around naked on the floor with them and allow them to **** me up...I'm not Malone

Well 1) The sport is composed of them so it doesn't matter 2) They are not naked and you saying that would lead me to believe you have homo-erotic thoughts about the sport 3) Its not just rolling around if someone is ****ing you up.


You should really try to have an open mind or at the very least not try to **** on the sport because you don't like it.

Like I said you can love both sports.

ufc does not have world popularity. It caters to young white males with it's WWE style advertising.

Lesnar is thier champ, therefore he is the UFc's top dog.

On top of that, the only reason the UFC can get even half decent PPV's is because they shove every single star they have on one card.

WWE style advertising? Idk but I haven't see WWE promo ppv posters, WWE reality show, etc. But then again I would hope to god I wouldn't.

Lesnar is the champ, since when does that make someone the best. You should know as a boxing fan having the belt doesn't mean anything if you don't fight the best around. In this case you have to take his size into consideration when talking about him as a fighter. He skills are without his size would mean ****.

It's 'couldn't care less' damn it!

Thanks for the correction. I COULDN'T CARE LESS ABOUT HUMAN ****FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pardon?



Wrong,the UFC is popular in north america and north america alone,They have managed to create a good following in the English market but other than that there is no other country in the world where the ufc is popular.As I understand the UFC just put on an event in germany and it flopped,the fights sucked,ticket sales were slow and the german fans were not pleased with what they saw

you just said Affliction was dead yet somehow it would rise to dominance:?!:

Japanese mma is dead atleast in the mainstream and that is a fact.It enjoyed mainstream popularity during the late 90's to early 21st centuary thanks to japanese pro wrestler Kazushi sakuraba's dismantling of the gracie family but it has declined greatly since then.....ratings don't lie

dream is struggling greatly and is in desperation for television ratings and probably won't be around this time next year.



I don't respect overgrown jock wrestlers sorry nor would I ever roll around naked on the floor with them and allow them to *uck me up...I'm not Malone
Minus the M.. That's what you are...

personally i respect lesnar everybody else acts like danas little b***h if any one is going to do anything for the sport its lesnar telling dana to f**k and its just great.....lesnar there top dog yeah right its some guy that stole some chicks name......

dont you call any1 or any sport. you never had the heart or the balls to fight. you stick to writing your poetry pusssy!

BTW, I notice you took the pic of that fake-azz pro-wrestler out of your avatar :rofl:

Poet

BTW, I notice you took the pic of that fake-azz pro-wrestler out of your avatar :rofl:

Poet

that person youare talking about is a olympic gold medalist and he won it with a broken neck. what have you ever done in your life. your one of the ugliest people i have ever seen.

when is the last time you brushed your teeth, they are ****ing yellow. and when was the last time the hair of yours got a wash. and you need to get down to a gym you have a big fat bell and no shoulers.

and you are you to call anyone anything, you write poetry you ****ing *****. and you never had enough heart or balls to get in a cage or a ring.

****bag.

what a disgrace you are.

UFC, Ultimate Fighting Championship, they hold MMA fights, Mixed Martial Arts.

Well duh

The UFC doesn't have to sell to be popular, I'm not talking tickets and such. They are commonly known to be the Major Leagues of MMA, they attract fighters globally from everywhere. The common mindframe of aspiring MMA athletes is to get to the UFC to fight the best. If there is an MMA market in a country you can get bet the fighters wish/beg/hope to be in the UFC.

No,you said that the UFC is popular all over the world,Most people across the world don't know what the the hell the UFC or MMGAY are

you're not talking tickets? you're not talking ratings?? then what the hell are you talking about?

If you read it you would understand that had they not folded. Also there would be a chance that they would not have since they would no longer have any competition from the UFC.

My god,read your posts before you post them you dingbat.Affliction never achieved anything,their last two ppv's flopped badly in sales,flopped badly at the gate and in attendance and lost a huge profit all the while

they just cancelled their last show and had to cancel one last october because oF **** ticket sales.....that is not success.That is a huge and giant epic FAIL



Dream needs ratings yes, but ratings isn't all there is to the story. You obviously don't know much about Japanese fighting be it K-1 or Sengoku. MMA is VERY commonplace there.

Um yeah,ratings are all there is to the story,do you realise how pride died? they died because they lost their deal with Fuji Television.Dream's ratings have been poor,their attendances have been poor

mainstream japanese mma is dead and until you make a logical argument as to why it isn't then go away dingbat


Well 1) The sport is composed of them so it doesn't matter 2) They are not naked and you saying that would lead me to believe you have homo-erotic thoughts about the sport 3) Its not just rolling around if someone is ****ing you up.


You should really try to have an open mind or at the very least not try to **** on the sport because you don't like it.

Like I said you can love both sports.


Last time I checked wearing spandex shorts and rolling around on the mat in high temperatures was...kinda gay

Prisoners are always *ucking each other up in their cells,but atleast their excuse is that they have been devoid of female company

what are MMGAY fighters excuse for such behaviour?

WWE style advertising? Idk but I haven't see WWE promo ppv posters, WWE reality show, etc. But then again I would hope to god I wouldn't.

Um yeah,There's that reality series show called the ultimate fighter have you heard about it? well it's whole concept was taken from the wwe produced reality series called tough enough

research helps

Minus the M.. That's what you are...

stop trying to court me Malone,I don't take take advantage of weak internet pansies

Well duh
So why'd you say "pardon?"

If UFC is popular in NA so is MMA. Direct correlation, thats like saying NBA is popular but basketball is not.



No,you said that the UFC is popular all over the world,Most people across the world don't know what the the hell the UFC or MMGAY are

Sorry, how about a good portion. Don't know what MMA is, a lot do. Russians, Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Brazilians, Greeks, lots of Europeans, Koreans, Filipinos, Lots of places in South America, Canada, Great Britain, etc. And any market that has MMA, ALL fighters who want to be great desire to be in the UFC, thats a fact. [/quote]




My god,read your posts before you post them you dingbat.Affliction never achieved anything,their last two ppv's flopped badly in sales,flopped badly at the gate and in attendance and lost a huge profit all the while

They had money to blow, and if you looked at their cards you would see they were GREAT, smart one. Given time I think they would have grown ESPECIALLY if UFC folded. Instead thinking purely about the stats of a young promotion why don't you look at other aspects of it.


they just cancelled their last show and had to cancel one last october because oF **** ticket sales.....that is not success.That is a huge and giant epic FAILp

THey canceled their last show due to last minute fighter controversy. Why don't you do some research before you spout off nonsense. Barnett was pinned for roids and they decided they could not find a suitable fighter to take on Fedor. The card was pretty good but they felt the title fight was too large a part.




Um yeah,ratings are all there is to the story,do you realise how pride died? they died because they lost their deal with Fuji Television.Dream's ratings have been poor,their attendances have been poor[



mainstream japanese mma is dead and until you make a logical argument as to why it isn't then go away dingbat


Really its dead, so you couldn't find a lot of people who know about it and follow it in Japan? What're you retarded? Average knowledge about MMA in Japan is common. You'd be surprised apparently how many people know about. MMA is big over there, fact. Its not dead like you claim. Thats not the only reason why Pride died, sorry.



Last time I checked wearing spandex shorts and rolling around on the mat in high temperatures was...kinda gay

Prisoners are always *ucking each other up in their cells,but atleast their excuse is that they have been devoid of female company

what are MMGAY fighters excuse for such behaviour?

Last time I checked you can wear shorts, last time I checked you could stand up, last time I checked high temps weren't a requirement.

Thats good for prisoners, but you're homo-erotic fantasy about MMA means nothing since it doesn't happen.

Seriously why do you act like MMA butt-****ed you? Is it because you are so insecure and scared MMA is taking away from boxing? Now you're gonna come out me with sales, stats, any other **** which furthers my thoughts of you being insecure.

Grow up, don't diss sports just cause you don't like em. Open your mind and not your mouth.

Boxing and MMA are both GREAT sports.

Go fight in an MMA match and lets see how you fare. You'd still say it was gay even though another guy did nothing homo to you and ****ed your ass up.

Um yeah,There's that reality series show called the ultimate fighter have you heard about it? well it's whole concept was taken from the wwe produced reality series called tough enough

research helps



stop trying to court me Malone,I don't take take advantage of weak internet pansies

Obviously its not popular to say the least, I don't even remember hearing about it. TUF popularized the fighting reality show, Contender I liked as entertainment but not many people did.

that person youare talking about is a olympic gold medalist and he won it with a broken neck. what have you ever done in your life. your one of the ugliest people i have ever seen.

when is the last time you brushed your teeth, they are ****ing yellow. and when was the last time the hair of yours got a wash. and you need to get down to a gym you have a big fat bell and no shoulers.

and you are you to call anyone anything, you write poetry you ****ing *****. and you never had enough heart or balls to get in a cage or a ring.

****bag.

what a disgrace you are.

Correction: That's broken FREEKIN' kneck.....it's true, oh it's damn true.

When are you going to make a post without recycling Tunney's VERY stale insults.....can't you come up with anything on your own? Naw, you're just a parrott and a particularly low intellect one at that. So what grade did you drop out in? 5th or 6th?

Poet

that person youare talking about is a olympic gold medalist and he won it with a broken neck. what have you ever done in your life. your one of the ugliest people i have ever seen.

when is the last time you brushed your teeth, they are ****ing yellow. and when was the last time the hair of yours got a wash. and you need to get down to a gym you have a big fat bell and no shoulers.

and you are you to call anyone anything, you write poetry you ****ing *****. and you never had enough heart or balls to get in a cage or a ring.

****bag.

what a disgrace you are.

And what have YOU ever done in your life? Your just a dumb jock destined to working manual labor jobs for the rest of your life and having to take orders from bosses who are very much like.....me :D

Poet

i took a dump once that circled around the bowl twice....i think thats alittle more impressive then anything any ufc athlete has ever done

i took a dump once that circled around the bowl twice....i think thats alittle more impressive then anything any ufc athlete has ever done

:haha: Priceless! :rofl:

Poet

i took a dump once that circled around the bowl twice....i think thats alittle more impressive then anything any ufc athlete has ever done

:pat:

I don't really care, I just wanted to attempt to enlighten some of you or at least reduce your intense dislike for no reason.

But w/e I like most Combat Sports and would be willing to give most a try.

So why'd you say "pardon?"

If UFC is popular in NA so is MMA. Direct correlation, thats like saying NBA is popular but basketball is not.




Sorry, how about a good portion. Don't know what MMA is, a lot do. Russians, Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Brazilians, Greeks, lots of Europeans, Koreans, Filipinos, Lots of places in South America, Canada, Great Britain, etc. And any market that has MMA, ALL fighters who want to be great desire to be in the UFC, thats a fact.





They had money to blow, and if you looked at their cards you would see they were GREAT, smart one. Given time I think they would have grown ESPECIALLY if UFC folded. Instead thinking purely about the stats of a young promotion why don't you look at other aspects of it.



THey canceled their last show due to last minute fighter controversy. Why don't you do some research before you spout off nonsense. Barnett was pinned for roids and they decided they could not find a suitable fighter to take on Fedor. The card was pretty good but they felt the title fight was too large a part.






Really its dead, so you couldn't find a lot of people who know about it and follow it in Japan? What're you retarded? Average knowledge about MMA in Japan is common. You'd be surprised apparently how many people know about. MMA is big over there, fact. Its not dead like you claim. Thats not the only reason why Pride died, sorry.




Last time I checked you can wear shorts, last time I checked you could stand up, last time I checked high temps weren't a requirement.

Thats good for prisoners, but you're homo-erotic fantasy about MMA means nothing since it doesn't happen.

Seriously why do you act like MMA butt-****ed you? Is it because you are so insecure and scared MMA is taking away from boxing? Now you're gonna come out me with sales, stats, any other **** which furthers my thoughts of you being insecure.

Grow up, don't diss sports just cause you don't like em. Open your mind and not your mouth.

Boxing and MMA are both GREAT sports.

Go fight in an MMA match and lets see how you fare. You'd still say it was gay even though another guy did nothing homo to you and ****ed your ass up.
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you are going on like MMA fighters are the gods of fighting. At my gym the MMA fighters always get stomped in the ring even by amateurs.

also, some of the best fighters in the UFC are purely standup anyways only they are terrible at it. Look at Silvas boxing debut. Hilarious.

I should also point out, if you are quick on your feet and have sharp reflexes, it's very hard for a wrestler to get hold of you and get a successful takedown, especially if you are in the same weight class and possess similar strength.

Hey hey hey prides cool fedors the man but prides not out there making a reality show and thats just gay ufc can go blow themselfs

reason to dislike mma #2 every one thats a fan of mma will tell you that any one in mma will beat any one in boxing and its impossiable for it to go any other way

So why'd you say "pardon?"

If UFC is popular in NA so is MMA.

No it's not,The UFC is a brand that sells,No other mma promotion has turned a profit on a national level in north america FACT!

UFC dies,MMGAY dies FACT!

Sorry, how about a good portion. Don't know what MMA is, a lot do. Russians, Japanese, Americans, Chinese, Brazilians, Greeks, lots of Europeans, Koreans, Filipinos, Lots of places in South America, Canada, Great Britain, etc. And any market that has MMA, ALL fighters who want to be great desire to be in the UFC, thats a fact.

You have proven my point dingbat,there is nothing else but the UFC For MMGAY fighters to make a good living and recieve good exposure and very few of those markets do have MMGAY dingbat,and even if they do,it is on a very..very small scale



They had money to blow, and if you looked at their cards you would see they were GREAT, smart one. Given time I think they would have grown ESPECIALLY if UFC folded. Instead thinking purely about the stats of a young promotion why don't you look at other aspects of it.

Oh,so is losing much more money than you take in a success? is it really? you would make a great manager...no really you would

When running a business profit is all that counts and that gay little t shirt company didn't make **** with their events they promoted FACT!

THey canceled their last show due to last minute fighter controversy. Why don't you do some research before you spout off nonsense. Barnett was pinned for roids and they decided they could not find a suitable fighter to take on Fedor. The card was pretty good but they felt the title fight was too large a part..


And you blatantly ignore the part where I mentioned that they had to cancel an event last october.Ticket sales were already mediocre for this card like they had been for the past two events they promoted and losing this fight just gave them the red light to call the event off



Really its dead, so you couldn't find a lot of people who know about it and follow it in Japan? What're you retarded? Average knowledge about MMA in Japan is common. You'd be surprised apparently how many people know about. MMA is big over there, fact. Its not dead like you claim. Thats not the only reason why Pride died, sorry.

Yet you failed to actually debunk my claims that it was dead,It's dead in the mainstream and that's a FACT!

ratings and attendances don't lie



Now you're gonna come out me with sales, stats, any other **** which furthers my thoughts of you being insecure.

sales and stats to back up my claims something you have failed to do,nothing to do with being insecure dingbat

Grow up,


Go fight in an MMA match and lets see how you fare. You'd still say it was gay even though another guy did nothing homo to you and ****ed your ass up.

I'd love to slap you right across the chops because Irony has yet to do so

you are going on like MMA fighters are the gods of fighting. At my gym the MMA fighters always get stomped in the ring even by amateurs.

also, some of the best fighters in the UFC are purely standup anyways only they are terrible at it. Look at Silvas boxing debut. Hilarious.

I should also point out, if you are quick on your feet and have sharp reflexes, it's very hard for a wrestler to get hold of you and get a successful takedown, especially if you are in the same weight class and possess similar strength.

No I'm not going like the they are the gods of fighting in fact I said nothing about the fighters that would suggest as much. I was talking about its popularity, j-mma, maybe something about fighters idr, etc.

MMA is a totally different animal than Boxing. I don't understand why boxing fans have such an unreasonable hate towards MMA. I would guess most of it stems they feel MMA is competing with them. Like I keep saying I love both sports and like many other Combat Sports. Theres no reason to hate either, dislike maybe. To tear apart with crude insults due to childish nature, definitely not.

Its not hard to get a hold of someone in MMA, not at all. Once you grab them it depends on your execution, strength, explosiveness, etc against the other guys strength, explosiveness, take down defense.

No it's not,The UFC is a brand that sells,No other mma promotion has turned a profit on a national level in north america FACT!

UFC dies,MMGAY dies FACT!



You have proven my point dingbat,there is nothing else but the UFC For MMGAY fighters to make a good living and recieve good exposure and very few of those markets do have MMGAY dingbat,and even if they do,it is on a very..very small scale





Oh,so is losing much more money than you take in a success? is it really? you would make a great manager...no really you would

When running a business profit is all that counts and that gay little t shirt company didn't make **** with their events they promoted FACT!




And you blatantly ignore the part where I mentioned that they had to cancel an event last october.Ticket sales were already mediocre for this card like they had been for the past two events they promoted and losing this fight just gave them the red light to call the event off





Yet you failed to actually debunk my claims that it was dead,It's dead in the mainstream and that's a FACT!

ratings and attendances don't lie





sales and stats to back up my claims something you have failed to do,nothing to do with being insecure dingbat






I'd love to slap you right across the chops because Irony has yet to do so

Oh jeez...more dingbat remarks.

Well no it won't die if the UFC dies.

You can get pretty good exposure in Dream, Sengoku, Strikeforce, etc.


They just started, they held a great promotion. Great card, great during event work, etc. They had money to spend and they used it. How does that relate to me as a manager smart one or should I say dingbat. I did not endorse that kind of spending, and if I had an MMA org I obviously wouldn't/couldn't want to do that. But they had money and time (or so they thought) as well as high profile fighters. Ticket sales are not what killed the event, fact. Go look some articles about it. The Barnett controversy started the downward spiral. Mediocre for what a organization that just started up...k. BTW since when is 13,000+ attendance for both events bad?

Its not dead in the mainstream, head over to japan to find out, you can't prove it is w/o doing so.

Sales and stats are not all there is to a story, what a small/closed mind you must have to think so.

I don't think I would want the likes of your ignorant self to be getting that close to me.

BTW since when is 13,000+ attendance for both events bad?.

when only half the audience actually pays for their tickets?

when only half the audience actually pays for their tickets?

Affliction Banned was something like 12,3xx paid out of 14,xxx that were there. Good amount of paid viewers. Affliction DoR I can't find paid and total.

in my thought is mma to dangerous, but technically it is more varied then boxing, for myself i dont like it

been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was never really a fan till I started doing it. Now I can appreciate how difficult it really is.

I was never really a fan till I started doing it. Now I can appreciate how difficult it really is.

you cound't of put it better, people think it is just a bar room fight. when there is alot of hard traning and techinque you have to learn and do, to be a top level fighter!

did you watch UFC 102 Jab?

As a Boxing Historian myself I can speak for every real Boxing fan that mmGAY is crap.

your a boxing historian,who gave you that honor,mma is not even in the same league as boxing,to fight in mma you do not even have to train all you need to know is a little bit of grappling,this way you are on the ground for 99 percent of the time throwing elbows that are missing its mark,if a boxer had an opponent down and started to throw punches the person on the ground would be kayoed in a hurry,mma is being promoted like wwe scripted with more hype:boxing:

your a boxing historian,who gave you that honor,mma is not even in the same league as boxing,to fight in mma you do not even have to train all you need to know is a little bit of grappling,this way you are on the ground for 99 percent of the time throwing elbows that are missing its mark,if a boxer had an opponent down and started to throw punches the person on the ground would be kayoed in a hurry,mma is being promoted like wwe scripted with more hype:boxing:

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Boxing is for the elite, MMA is for meatheads in high school

WWE style advertising? Idk but I haven't see WWE promo ppv posters, WWE reality show, etc. But then again I would hope to god I wouldn't.

Lesnar is the champ, since when does that make someone the best. You should know as a boxing fan having the belt doesn't mean anything if you don't fight the best around. In this case you have to take his size into consideration when talking about him as a fighter. He skills are without his size would mean ****.

UFC has one belt, anyone who is undisputed champ in boxing is something. (undisputed would be the same as a belt holder in the UFC).

I didn't mean technically, but he is one of their top fighters because he's strong. That doesn't happen in boxing. You leave your face open in boxing and go by strength only, you won't get far. Even the most in your face brawlers in boxing do have a great deal of skill.

MMA right now seems like there is no pure dominance, aside from A. Silva, who got owned in boxing but switched to MMA because it was easier for him to dominate.

Lesnar could lose to anybody no matter what rank, any day of the week from any old wild ass Haymaker.

I myself liken mmGAY to that of a mixture of pro wrestling and tough man tributes.

It's also a great way for young closet homo's to enjoy two glass jawed bums sweating it out in a cage


Quite frankly I prefer to watch two skilled combatants who aren't humping each other in the middle of the ring

They say boxing is dead......well I will follow it to the grave before I support the garbage that is mmGAY and it deeply saddens me that there are boxing fans who tolerate this filth

boxing rules,any boxer vs any mma in the same weight class,would kayo the mma,if a mma tried to grab a boxer a boxer would unload a barrage of uppercuts and knock the mma out:boxing:

MMA right now seems like there is no pure dominance, aside from A. Silva, who got owned in boxing but switched to MMA because it was easier for him to dominate.



GSP dominates WW and has done so for years. BJ only has one loss in his career at LW. And Fedor, who is the greatest ever, who is 30-1 and that one loss came from an illegal blow which under normal circumstances would have been ruled a NC but it was a tourney, is the #1 HW and has been for the past 6 years

i like boxing more jus cuz it appeals more to me naturally but i love mma too. i think it's obvious tho that in a real streetfight the mma fighter beats the boxer 9 times out of 10. but why should that matter? they're both completely different sports. u dont hear people arguing about who would win a fight between rugby players and NFL players lol. and i hate it when people talk about mma as if it's the sport of "real fighting". in real fighting a 135er might be able to beat brock with superior biting/eye-gouging/nut-crushing skills lol... so actually i take back what i said about mma fighters beating boxers 9/10. cuz u never kno who has the more animalistic nature regardless of ground-fighting knowledge...

I'm a casual MMA fan.

I'm not a crazy fan. I like it when someone good fights. Like Fedor Emelianenko or Anderson Silva. Even Brock Lesnar, sometimes.

i like boxing more jus cuz it appeals more to me naturally but i love mma too. i think it's obvious tho that in a real streetfight the mma fighter beats the boxer 9 times out of 10. but why should that matter? they're both completely different sports. u dont hear people arguing about who would win a fight between rugby players and NFL players lol. and i hate it when people talk about mma as if it's the sport of "real fighting". in real fighting a 135er might be able to beat brock with superior biting/eye-gouging/nut-crushing skills lol... so actually i take back what i said about mma fighters beating boxers 9/10. cuz u never kno who has the more animalistic nature regardless of ground-fighting knowledge...

how is that? when all of the street fights recorded it's the boxer who wins.

what do you through in street fights? throw punches! you are telling me the MMa fighter would instantly go for the take down? doubtful. Even then, landing the take down and not getting hit is another. if they stood for even a few seconds they would be koed and be twitching on the ground in convulsions.

how is that? when all of the street fights recorded it's the boxer who wins.

what do you through in street fights? throw punches! you are telling me the MMa fighter would instantly go for the take down? doubtful. Even then, landing the take down and not getting hit is another. if they stood for even a few seconds they would be koed and be twitching on the ground in convulsions.

in a street fight you throw anything. even jus the simple kicking drills provide an advantage for the mma fighter cuz they will have faster groin kicks.

obviously if the mma fighter was stupid enough to box with a boxer they would most likely lose the fight jus cuz of the fact that boxers focus solely on that aspect so it's a given that they will usually have the more polished boxing skills. but in a survival situation, the mma fighter would most likely shoot and jus take it from there. what does the boxer do when theyre on the ground? i cant believe im having this discussion lol...

in a street fight you throw anything. even jus the simple kicking drills provide an advantage for the mma fighter cuz they will have faster groin kicks.

obviously if the mma fighter was stupid enough to box with a boxer they would most likely lose the fight jus cuz of the fact that boxers focus solely on that aspect so it's a given that they will usually have the more polished boxing skills. but in a survival situation, the mma fighter would most likely shoot and jus take it from there. what does the boxer do when theyre on the ground? i cant believe im having this discussion lol...

ever seen joes vs pros? (or is it pros vs joes?) It's not as easy as it looks. A strong person can def put up a struggle against a takedown. I've done it myself. MM is not all it's cracked up to be. Just like those kids that take karate for 10 years then get beat up by some kid who plays hockey.

Same would happen here, a boxer has been hitting things and has been getting hit for long periods of time, he knows how to fight. this part is a tiny aspect of an MMA fighters game. Being skilled at a few things isn't as good as being a master at one.

Nah, im a boxer/fan

ever seen joes vs pros? (or is it pros vs joes?) It's not as easy as it looks. A strong person can def put up a struggle against a takedown. I've done it myself. MM is not all it's cracked up to be. Just like those kids that take karate for 10 years then get beat up by some kid who plays hockey.

Same would happen here, a boxer has been hitting things and has been getting hit for long periods of time, he knows how to fight. this part is a tiny aspect of an MMA fighters game. Being skilled at a few things isn't as good as being a master at one.

But it makes you extremely limited in conformity and complacency.

You stopped yourself before you began.

btw, inertia is a big part of fighting. No true fighter will fight against you, but flow with you.

I love how mmGAY fans constantly like to compare their so called sport to street fighting and the ironic thing is that's the whole tagline which damn near destroyed their ****ty worthless sport "legalized streetfighting"

Virtually every mmGAY fighter has a glass jaw,They can't throw a punch and can't take a punch and like it or not punching is essential to a street fight,A street fight isn't limited to wrestling mats and grappling half naked infront of a crowd

mmGAY is made up of grapplers who crumble at the first contact of a punch and it's embarrassing to watch,These bums are the best fighters in the world? These bums are the toughest men in the world and they can't even take a f*cking jab?

mmGAY is a proven fad and it's popularity will decline when it's middle class white fanbase die out and grow up and realise what idiots they were for ever watching this ridiculous fad in the first place

Pro wrestling was hugely popular ten years ago and now it's popularity has declined to the 8-15 year old demographic when infact it's past demographic had been 18-35

Now guess where that 18-35 demographic has shifted off to?


You wanna be a f*cking fighter? Best go join the wwe first...son

Nah, im a boxer/fanhi the guy in the avatar was he holding a machine gun and you erased it from the picture:haha:

i like the mma and i am also interesting in history of boxing, what i not like is the mma community and the much fighter don't respect the other fighter

As I said in the thunderome; I don't agree with Floyd Jrs assesment that it was started by white people to take money away from the minority boxers that were taking over the boxing, I DO think that the reason it's so huge is because of it's large percentage of white fighters.

I live in Oklahoma, and it's not very easy to find someone under thirty that stays up with boxing, but all the young white guys(and girls) know about MMA.

mma is a great sport and seems to be taking over boxing right now.

mma is a great sport and seems to be taking over boxing right now.

....One down!

they act like MMA fighters are the best Athletes in the world, yet they show up fat and out of shape. Their champions are from the wwe and they only have 4 fights under their belt.
Ever heard of a guy named Leon Spinks?Yea James Toney looked like he was in great shape!You guys obviously don't watch mma and know nothing about it,yet say the same tired bs you been saying about it for 10 years now!

But Lesnar was an accomplished amateur wrestler, winning the 2000 NCAA wrestling championship. he nearly made the Olympics aswell. he didnt just com from the wwe. wrestling is a major part in mma. he wasnt just a ''wwe'' wrestler.

anthony mundine come from a ruby background, and turned to boxing and after only 3 years in the sport was wba world champion. so thats like saying ruby player's can come to boxing and win a world title.

Well, actually, no.....Mundine grew up with one of the great MW's of the sixties and seventies and learned first hand (like Mayweather) from a brilliant tactician from the time he was able to walk.

He had always been boxing, but moved into rugby. Bigger sport than boxing at the time but must have decided to pursue his first love.

been meaning to ask this for a while, do any of you guys on the history sesction love mma or are a fan of the sport out of interest?

discuss!!!!!!!!!!!!i am not a fan of mma,it is a boring sport that does not even come close to boxing in terms of talent of action:boxing:

When someone like James Toney forfeits , it is a great proof of the effectiveness of its technique , fact.
James at least had the balls to try and fight there , just imagine what would have happened to the top stars of boxing .

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James at least had the balls to try and fight there.



Not really.Toney wasn't there to test himself for represent his sport in anyway.He signed up to this mismatch because it was the only way he could remain relevant and earn the type of money that he did.


Not that he ever lacked them to begin with,but an act of desperation isn't a ballsy move at all

It's a lame fad that will be gone in a few years.

I do respect some of their fighters, and grappling is a good way to defend against a striker. But that's about all I can say good about it.

Their fanbase is by far the worst, mostly because it's filled with WWE crossovers and high school kids. I still can't believe people pay $50 every month to watch that crap, especially in this economy.

:pat:

I don't really care, I just wanted to attempt to enlighten some of you or at least reduce your intense dislike for no reason.

But w/e I like most Combat Sports and would be willing to give most a try.

Well it's a nice attempt, but unfortunately your attempts have fallen on deaf ears because, like many boxing fans out there, many of the ones here spew the same uninformed ignorant crap like "it's just a passing fad" or call it "human ****fighting" even though they don't fight to the death. I agree with you and enjoy combat sports like boxing, mixed martial arts, even freestyle wrestling in the summer olympics.

So it's a fad. No, fads last a few months, maybe a year tops. The UFC has been around for 17 years now, that's the opposite of a fad. And Pancrase and Shooto have been around since the '80s. The Gracies fought Vale Tudo matches, where anything goes style wise since the 1920s and Pankration competitions go all the way back to ancient Greece. Hardly a fad.

You know, it's fine if you guys don't like the sport of mixed martial arts and aren't fans of it, but geez, at least do some research and have an informed opinion, you know, like you often tell many others who post here with uninformed opinions about boxing and its history. A lot of people thought the same thing about boxing in its early days, that it was human ****fighting, organized violence, legalized assault and competitions shouldn't be allowed or sanctioned. At least when an MMA fighter only has to win one title belt to be considered the champion, unlike all the different corrupt governing bodies in boxing where there's 5 major belts now in every weight class.

So you like watching fighting, but only if fighters use their fists, not kicks, knees, elbows, or submissions? Well, that's fine if you do, but those are all still parts of fighting and in a real fight, sometimes a guy isn't just going to use punches, that's why MMA was started in the first place, to see what techniques could work best when any style or fighting was allowed.

But I guess since I like watching the sport, I'll now be called gay and someone will probably say I like watching men roll around on the ground and I must be some kind of white trash meathead because I enjoy MMA just as much as I enjoy watching boxing (even though I'm a college graduate). If you really want to go with the gay angle, what about when boxers are in the clinch and are leaning against each other? Couldn't that also then be considered homoerotic? So I guess then, by that logic, that boxing fans must enjoy watching men hugging each other and breathing heavy against each others sweaty bodies? You see how easy that is to do? So let's just agree to disagree and say that both sports have their fans, some, like myself, enjoy watching both and respect their skill. And if you think MMA fighters don't have any skill, then try training in freestyle wrestling, brazilian jiu jitsu or judo sometime and see how easy it is for you to learn.

And of course MMA fighters aren't as good at boxing as boxers. Boxing is only a small portion of their training, plus a traditional boxing stance leaves an MMA fighter wide open for a takedown. And just because it has more knockouts that in boxing doesn't mean they're all glass jawed. The smaller gloves also have something to do with that. Again, it's fine if you don't like MMA, just try and come up with an informed opinion based on what you've seen for yourself, not just on what others have told you or after watching a few seconds of one fight or only one full fight.

It's always the same. MMA fans think boxing is dead and MMA will take it over and boxing fans think MMA is just a passing fad and will die out within a few years, which people have been saying for many years now. They're both wrong. MMA is here to stay and will continue to grow and change. There's no telling if it'll ever be as big as boxing. Boxing isn't going anywhere either because for all of it's corruption and bull**** with jerking around the fans, like what's happening with Mayweather/Pacquiao, or like when fans had to wait years to see Leonard fight Hagler and having too many title belts, there will always be great talented boxers to keep the hardcore fans coming back (Miguel Cotto, Andre Ward, Yuriorkis Gamboa).

At least when an MMA fighter only has to win one title belt to be considered the champion, unlike all the different corrupt governing bodies in boxing where there's 5 major belts now in every weight class.



Yeah,because it's not like there are several different MMGAY orgs that declare their title holders 'world champions',are there?





If you really want to go with the gay angle, what about when boxers are in the clinch and are leaning against each other? Couldn't that also then be considered homoerotic?



Clinching is generally discouraged in boxing,that's why you will see the referee immediately break it up.


In boxing,you don't score points for rubbing yourself up against another man like in MMGAY.No such thing as grappling for dominant position in boxing.





And of course MMA fighters aren't as good at boxing as boxers. Boxing is only a small portion of their training, plus a traditional boxing stance leaves an MMA fighter wide open for a takedown.



Nobody is saying they should have the skills to level a world class boxer.The reason people mock the boxing skills of these 'fighters' is because they're supposed to be professional fighters and yet they have the punching technique of bar room brawlers.You can watch greater skill level at some local toughman contest.




And just because it has more knockouts that in boxing doesn't mean they're all glass jawed. The smaller gloves also have something to do with that.



No,it's definately all in the chin(or lack of concerning MMGAY fighters).They simply can't take a punch,which is why early knockouts are generally the norm in that 'sport'.

At least MMA fighters that make it to one of the top organizations fight the best out there, unlike boxers who avoid certain opponents. Has Fedor every ducked anybody? Anderson Silva? Nope, yet one of boxing's biggest stars, Floyd Mayweather is avoiding Manny Pacquaio like the plague. Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't fight Marvin Hagler until Hagler was ready to retire. The Gracies issued an open challenge for decades to prove the effectiveness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and their toughness.

And my point was if MMA is gay because guys lay on each other, than so is boxing, because they rub up against each other on the feet, so I just used your own idiotic logic against you and anyone else who makes that bull**** claim. And even though clinching is generally discouraged, you sometimes see boxers stay in the clinch and throw punches, so by that logic, you as a boxing fan must enjoy watching sweaty men rub up against each other.

And if it's definitely all the chin then it shouldn't matter what kind of gloves are used in boxing, should it, because it should be just as easy to score a knockout with one type of glove rather than another. If gloves aren't an issue, it shouldn't have mattered which gloves Manny Pacquiao used in the first Erik Morales fight. But it did matter, because Manny wanted the gloves he normally uses, which have less padding, making it more likely to score a knockout, which Pacquaio did in the second and third fights with Morales. MMA gloves are smaller and have less padding than boxing gloves, which is also a contributing factor to there being more knockouts. If you still think they have weak chins, try watching Tim Sylvia vs. Wesley Correira sometime, Don Frye vs. Yoshihiro Takayama or Chuck Lidell va. Wanderlei Silva and watch the bombs those guys land on each other.

But I know, it's "MMGAY" right? Well, aren't you clever.:rolleyes:

At least MMA fighters that make it to one of the top organizations fight the best out there, unlike boxers who avoid certain opponents. Has Fedor every ducked anybody? Anderson Silva? Nope, yet one of boxing's biggest stars, Floyd Mayweather is avoiding Manny Pacquaio like the plague. Sugar Ray Leonard wouldn't fight Marvin Hagler until Hagler was ready to retire. The Gracies issued an open challenge for decades to prove the effectiveness of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and their toughness.



You mean the same Fedor Emelianenko who virtually everybody within that 'sport' was calling to 'fight' Randy Couture? The same Fedor Emelianenko who everybody wanted to 'fight' in the biggest bout that could have been made in that 'sport' against Brock Lesnar? Gee,that's two 'fights' that had a great deal of interest behind it but never did take place.


How is that two men,who both have the desire to 'fight' one another can be prevented from doing so? Both Couture and Emelinaneko expressed great interest in 'fighting' one another,and it was a 'fight' that Randy Couture even quit,as a 'world champion',his own promotion over.



Wasn't Chuck Liddell - Wanderlei Silva billed as being 'Six years in the making'? Why should it have taken six years for two men who for several years,reigned on top in the same division and were certainly never inactive or retired with a partially detatched retina.Why should it have taken back-to-back losses between the two for this supposed 'dream match' to finally take place?




And if it's definitely all the chin then it shouldn't matter what kind of gloves are used in boxing, should it, because it should be just as easy to score a knockout with one type of glove rather than another. If gloves aren't an issue, it shouldn't have mattered which gloves Manny Pacquiao used in the first Erik Morales fight. But it did matter, because Manny wanted the gloves he normally uses, which have less padding, making it more likely to score a knockout, which Pacquaio did in the second and third fights with Morales.



Slightly less padding in one area isn't going to affect the overall impact of a low.Different boxers have have their own preferences concerning what gloves they feel most comfortable in.Pacquiao had never never wore these gloves in the past,while Morales had spent several years fighting in them.Pacquiao had a hell of a lot more problems than his gloves to worry about when he was using his face to block Morales's punches.




MMA gloves are smaller and have less padding than boxing gloves, which is also a contributing factor to there being more knockouts. If you still think they have weak chins, try watching Tim Sylvia vs. Wesley Correira sometime, Don Frye vs. Yoshihiro Takayama or Chuck Lidell va. Wanderlei Silva and watch the bombs those guys land on each other.



Is this the same Correira that got knocked silly from one punch within the first 92 seconds? What a great example of a 'chin' you have there :dunce:


These quick early knockout's were no different in Pride,which used 6oz gloves - which is just two ounces less than the gloves used by boxers under the middleweight(160) division.

Fedor >>>> all MMA

Love it. I enjoy all aspects of fighting. Or I take that back, at least respect it. Because in MMA some wrestlers just like to lay on you.

But I love watching Big Nog fights where he's getting the shiit beat out of him and then last second pulls out a beautiful submission. All of his fights are straight out of a rocky movie! I LOVE SLAMS! Rampage Jackson is my favorite fighter and I love watching somebody pick someone up and just throw em straight down!

I love boxing but it's harder to stay on top in MMA because their are so many ways to lose. I respect both and both have some of the best athletes in the world.

Fedor didn't fight those guys because he couldn't come to a contract agreement with Dana White. If Fedor ever made it to the UFC or if Couture or Lesnar were ever in the same organization as Fedor, he would've fought them. So you're saying if Fedor was in the UFC, he would've deliberately avoided fighting Couture or Lesnar? And Wanderlei spent years in Pride before he got back to the UFC, that's why it took him so long to fight Lidell. But now you're probably thinking, well Lidell could've went over to Pride and fougtht Wanderlei like when he fought Rampage. Dana wasn't about to let that happen after the first loss to Rampage so they had to wait until Silva signed with the UFC. These guys didn't deliberately avoid fighting each other, as some boxers are known to do.

Less padding will affect the impact of a punch. If it didn't, big knockout punchers could use the softest gloves out there and still knock out opponents just as quickly, but they don't and can't.

Yeah Correira was hurt but he took a lot of hard shots before his corner stopped the fight. You make it sound like almost every MMA fight ends with the slightest tap on the chin and one guy is out cold and that's just not the case. There are plenty of MMA fights where guys get hit with hard shots and it takes a lot to knock them out or sometimes they're still standing at the end. Case in point: Griffin vs. Bonnar 1. But there are more knockouts because MMA fighters more often try to win by knockout, because they'll get bonuses for Fight of the Night or KO of the Night and if they win too many decisions, they might not get their contract renewed. These are other factors in there being more knockouts, but I know, in your eyes, it's just because they all have weak chins. If their chins are so weak, UFC 118 wouldn't have ended with no knockouts. The slightest glancing punches or one solid punch in most fights would cause a knockout.

Why don't you guys just say you don't like it and aren't a fan instead of ****ting on mixed martial arts and making bull**** claims? It's not human ****fighting, it's not a fad and they don't all have weak chins. Some of the fighters do, just as some of them do in boxing. So then, if most of the fights in boxing ended in knockouts, then by that logic, most of the boxers out there would then have weak chins as well.