This has been one of the most tragic years in boxing history. What happened to Forrest was downright senseless and heartbreaking. Forrest was a humanitarian as well as a great fighter. Does he deserve induction into the IBHOF?

No.

and i'm not being insensitve. If he was alive this thread wouldnt exist so it's pointless thinking it just because something tragic has happened.

No, very good fighter however. Two wins over Mosley at 147 is a solid legacy for anyone.

No, very good fighter however. Two wins over Mosley at 147 is a solid legacy for anyone.

He was very good but not quite HOF material.

2X Mosley
Baldomir
Mora
OLD Quartey
Vince Phillips

2 division Champion

is a pretty Solid Career. But im not sure if it is HOF material. But the 2 division Champion could probably help it out.

just look at some of recent inductees in the 140-154 range. I say yes

YES.

i was saying so before he died also. he is one of the very best fighters of our generation and deserves to be in the HOF.

Is he still the Wbc champ at 154

Is he still the Wbc champ at 154

You should know Larry

2X Mosley
Baldomir
Mora
OLD Quartey
Vince Phillips

2 division Champion

is a pretty Solid Career. But im not sure if it is HOF material. But the 2 division Champion could probably help it out.
I think they're good credentials.. He was Mosleys boogie man, much in the same way Mayorga was his.. Don Curry recently won a slim vote on the same topic, & I'd say Forrest has achieved just as much with a better resume.. They say things come in 3's.. I was only writing about how good his jab was, a couple of days ago.. RIP

yes. he's just as worthy as barry mcguigan who is in it!

I believe Forrest is the only man to knock down Shane Mosley, amateur or professional. That's 1 KD in over 400 fights. It wasn't a case of a slip or being off balance either. To Mosley's credit, that would have knocked nearly anyone else out.

yes. he's just as worthy as barry mcguigan who is in it!
excellent point, Barry McGuigan is in , so Forrest will be in.


Seriously, Why is Barry McGuigan in ???????? Just for beating Eusebio Pedroza??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

no because of his injury kept him out of his prime, he missed some possible good opponents........he will always be remembered for rockin shane mosley.....hes more of a hall of famer than gatti tho....

no because of his injury kept him out of his prime, he missed some possible good opponents........he will always be remembered for rockin shane mosley.....hes more of a hall of famer than gatti tho....

Yet Gatti is GUARANTEED to make the HOF.

excellent point, Barry McGuigan is in , so Forrest will be in.


Seriously, Why is Barry McGuigan in ???????? Just for beating Eusebio Pedroza??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????

Because Barry McGuigan is white and only achieved half of what Naseem Hamed did

Forrest is a hall of famer in my eyes.

Because Barry McGuigan is white and only achieved half of what Naseem Hamed did

Hamed I believe will be inducted soon as he is eligible for induction. Only 3 men who are eligible that have won The Ring Fighter of the Year award have not been inducted(Gus Lesnevich, Donald Curry and Paulie Ayala). Forrest was a better fighter than McGuigan, Pipino Cuevas and Eddie Perkins, so I feel he belongs if they are in.

Uhhh, I wouldn't go so far to say he was better than Cuevas. Prime Cuevas was a beast.

Hamed I believe will be inducted soon as he is eligible for induction.

Hamed already is eligible and he will never...ever be inducted into the hall of fame.I look at the likes of Wilfredo Gomez,Carlos Zarate,Daniel Zaragoza and I really don't see how their reseme's qaulifies as being greater than Naseem Hamed

seeing as how many like to pick apart and dismiss Hameds wins and accomplishments,The very same can even more easily be done to these three particular men

The only real difference is that we have been told to believe who was great and who was not,who had had heart and who did not without realising the circumstances which surround such accusations

Unfortunately no.

His best wins were against Shane Mosley, that alone won't take you to the HOF.
very good fighter indeed, with good speed and power, but not HOF material.

No.

and i'm not being insensitve. If he was alive this thread wouldnt exist so it's pointless thinking it just because something tragic has happened.

Please for the love of God explain this logic.

Now I'm not saying he deserves to be in the hall, but because he died is exactly the reason why this thread exists. I'm sure he was one of the people you'd least expect to end up getting killed.

Still a very solid career

Hamed already is eligible and he will never...ever be inducted into the hall of fame.I look at the likes of Wilfredo Gomez,Carlos Zarate,Daniel Zaragoza and I really don't see how their reseme's qaulifies as being greater than Naseem Hamed

seeing as how many like to pick apart and dismiss Hameds wins and accomplishments,The very same can even more easily be done to these three particular men

The only real difference is that we have been told to believe who was great and who was not,who had had heart and who did not without realising the circumstances which surround such accusations

I said it wrong. I know Hamed is already eligible, I was attempting to say that I believe he will be inducted shortly. He was a great fighter, only losing to barrera and retired in his prime. few fighters can make this claim. He was the best feather for many years, and is more deserving of the hall of fame than Gatti, Corrales or McGuigan. Hamed had hall of fame ability, just like Forrest. He is disliked by many fans probably because he was brash, but he was no more ****y than Roy Jones.

nah not a hof but a damn good fighter who has 2 big wins over shane. the losses to mayorga really hurt his chance to be a hof and also the win against ike was a robbery but he will be remembered as a very good fighter

For my standards, Id say no.

But there are plenty HOF fighters who don't have an impressive resume, where as I'd say Vernon has an impressive one.

His resume isn't HOF worthy. There are plenty of two division champions who won't get a spot at Canastota. And add to it the fact that his list of wins is very top heavy (Mosley twice, a disputed win over Quartey, Phillips), then it gets awfully thin real quick. A guy like Donald Curry has a better resume and he's not in the HOF. Forrest may be a step above Starling in that department, though.

But going strictly by ability, he's a HOFer in my eyes. He was probably one of the best long-range boxers in the last 20 or so years at WW. Add to it his great technique, subtle defensive techniques/manuvers, footwork, solid punching power, and good variety to the body and the head, and you've got yourself a guy who would have been hell for many of the better WWs on his very best night

I'm going to have to say no. He just missed out. A win over Sergio Martinez, Paul Williams, or another top fighter from 154-160 would have made him a shoe-in, IMO. Guys like Jung Koo Chang, Hiroyuki Ebihara, and Lloyd Marshall are more deserving to be honest, but if Forrest got in, I wouldn't complain at all.

Hamed already is eligible and he will never...ever be inducted into the hall of fame.I look at the likes of Wilfredo Gomez,Carlos Zarate,Daniel Zaragoza and I really don't see how their reseme's qaulifies as being greater than Naseem Hamed

seeing as how many like to pick apart and dismiss Hameds wins and accomplishments,The very same can even more easily be done to these three particular men

The only real difference is that we have been told to believe who was great and who was not,who had had heart and who did not without realising the circumstances which surround such accusations

Wilfredo Gomez's resume is clearly stronger than Naseem Hamed's. And he's far and away a superior fighter; perhaps even one of the most complete in history. But I agree with you wholeheartedly that he deserves to be a HOFer. I'll be upset if he doesn't get in because he's definitely done more than somebody like McGuigan, an old timer like Willard, or Zaragoza.

Vernon is right on the borderline I think. It really is touch and go with a guy like him.

As an amature maybe as a pro, sorry NO chance.

I don't think so, his career reminds me a little of Donald Curry, really well skilled fighter was supposed to be the next big thing (although Curry was farther along than Forrest was in the hype department), loses in an upset, Curry to Honeyghan, Forrest to Mayorga. Moves up in weight and has moderate success at the higher weight class. So no, I don't think Forrest is a HOFer but a really good fighter at his peak, which was in the first Mosley fight IMO.

Not my decision to make.

I will say this though ;

1.) Vernon is already a "Hall of Famer" in my eyes.

and

2.) There are some guys in the Hall of Fame right now whom I believe Forrest to be more worthy than.

Can't believe how close the voting is on here..
I would'nt be in a rush to have a beer with 50% of you, if your all that mean..
Of course He's a HOFFA.. Terrific amateur, double world champ, dominated Mosley, had the best jab throughout his weight class for the last 10 years, & he won the 2nd Mayorga fight in my opinion.. Victories over Boldomir & Quartey to.. He belongs on the qaulity of his jab alone.. Forrest new exactly how to perform & look good doing it.. He's being sourly underrated here..

Can't believe how close the voting is on here..
I would'nt be in a rush to have a beer with 50% of you, if your all that mean..
Of course He's a HOFFA.. Terrific amateur, double world champ, dominated Mosley, had the best jab throughout his weight class for the last 10 years, & he won the 2nd Mayorga fight in my opinion.. Victories over Boldomir & Quartey to.. He belongs on the qaulity of his jab alone.. Forrest new exactly how to perform & look good doing it.. He's being sourly underrated here..

Now you're calling people who are realistic "mean"? You are trying to make yourself look like a nice lad. In truth you wouldn't have put Forrest anywhere near a HOF list if this was a few weeks ago. Don't try to fool people, mate.

My answer is no, but he could have been.

Now you're calling people who are realistic "mean"? You are trying to make yourself look like a nice lad. In truth you wouldn't have put Forrest anywhere near a HOF list if this was a few weeks ago. Don't try to fool people, mate.

My answer is no, but he could have been.
What a fool.. Perhaps you should observe my post dated 21/07/09 #12 Titled: Who had the best jab out of all the weights? Threaded by tomhead69 on Boxing History.. Then you'll know your a fool..

No. He got 2 big wins on SSM plus anotha belt from 147. He got 2 belts at 154 also. Good career, but not HOF worthy imo. I thought Ike clearly beat him.

What a fool.. Perhaps you should observe my post dated 21/07/09 #12 Titled: Who had the best jab out of all the weights? Threaded by tomhead69 on Boxing History.. Then you'll know your a fool..

So saying he has a great jab is the same as putting him in the HOF?

Face it mate, you are just trying to make people believe you're a nice lad. But you're just full of bollocks and not being realistic.

Nobody would have put this boxer anywhere near a HOF a few days before.

I don't think so, his career reminds me a little of Donald Curry, really well skilled fighter was supposed to be the next big thing (although Curry was farther along than Forrest was in the hype department), loses in an upset, Curry to Honeyghan, Forrest to Mayorga. Moves up in weight and has moderate success at the higher weight class. So no, I don't think Forrest is a HOFer but a really good fighter at his peak, which was in the first Mosley fight IMO.

Excellent point. Forrest and Curry's career almost mirror each other. Both were linear Welter Champs, both were Ring Fighters of the Year, and both were mediocre as 154 champions. Both were excellent fighters and both did not dominate for a long time as expected. Excellent comparison, as Curry is one of three Ring Fighters of the Year that is eligible and not inducted yet

i dont think so, he had the potential but i dont feel he did enough. those wins over mosley were really good but he needed to do more.

I don't think so, his career reminds me a little of Donald Curry, really well skilled fighter was supposed to be the next big thing (although Curry was farther along than Forrest was in the hype department), loses in an upset, Curry to Honeyghan, Forrest to Mayorga. Moves up in weight and has moderate success at the higher weight class. So no, I don't think Forrest is a HOFer but a really good fighter at his peak, which was in the first Mosley fight IMO.

Good post, I agree Curry is a very good comparison to Forrest in that they were both among the tip top best in the game at times during their careers but didn't get the wins that they needed to make the HOF.

If they do put Forrest in i'd be very very happy but being ko'd by Mayorga doesn't help him.

So saying he has a great jab is the same as putting him in the HOF?

Face it mate, you are just trying to make people believe you're a nice lad. But you're just full of bollocks and not being realistic.

Nobody would have put this boxer anywhere near a HOF a few days before.
No.. It's simply, because you & your partner suffer from learning difficulties, & just want to bastardize my opinions.. Just like the small lollipop thief that you are..

I said yes but it's a really close call. I thought Forrest needed one more good win to solidify his legacy...

I think he would have been a sure thing had he never got seriously injured. Mayorga wouldn't have beat him either.

Notable wins for Forrest:

Ray Oliveira
Vince Phillips
Shane Mosley (x2)
Ike Quartey
Carlos Baldomir
Michele Piccirillo
Sergio Mora

Notable wins for Forrest:

Ray Oliveira
Vince Phillips
Shane Mosley (x2)
Ike Quartey
Carlos Baldomir
Michele Piccirillo
Sergio Mora

that is concrete proof that NO is the correct answer.....

if Buddy McGirt isnt a HOF then NO WAY should forrest be

No.. It's simply, because you & your partner suffer from learning difficulties, & just want to bastardize my opinions.. Just like the small lollipop thief that you are..

Ignoring everything again lad:la: Tell me again, how are "great jab" and "HOF worthy" the same thing again? I'm sorry you just explained it so well in this post of yours I can't keep up.

Good point about McGirt.. He should be there 100%..
Everyone looks to this place as the Royal accolade of Supreme achievement..
Well I say Bollocks to em.. If they've got Perkins & McGuigan.. It's bollocks all the way..

Ignoring everything again lad:la: Tell me again, how are "great jab" and "HOF worthy" the same thing again? I'm sorry you just explained it so well in this post of yours I can't keep up.
I'll coax you in on the odd occasion.. But only when it suits my mood of entertainment.. For the time being, I'd rather just poke fun at you while entertaining other, more important guests.. Just had a phone call from the Village.. Idiot gone missing, or something like that..

I'll coax you in on the odd occasion.. But only when it suits my mood of entertainment.. For the time being, I'd rather just poke fun at you while entertaining other, more important guests.. Just had a phone call from the Village.. Idiot gone missing, or something like that..

Rambling on about a whole lot of nothing as usual eh mate.

"Hey everyone, look at me! I'm such a swell lad for respecting a man who has passed away by being unrealistic and actually lieing about giving him props BEFORE he died to make myself look better. And when I'm called out on it I simply bluff and puff about nothing."

Run along Nancy.

Rambling on about a whole lot of nothing as usual eh mate.

"Hey everyone, look at me! I'm such a swell lad for respecting a man who has passed away by being unrealistic and actually lieing about giving him props BEFORE he died to make myself look better. And when I'm called out on it I simply bluff and puff about nothing."

Run along Nancy.
Nobody wants to look your(s) & her(s) wayward left wing views on anything.. It's just fun jabbin you about on the net..

Good point about McGirt.. He should be there 100%..
Everyone looks to this place as the Royal accolade of Supreme achievement..
Well I say Bollocks to em.. If they've got Perkins & McGuigan.. It's bollocks all the way..

I agree. perkins and McGuigan have no business in the IBHOF

This has been one of the most tragic years in boxing history. What happened to Forrest was downright senseless and heartbreaking. Forrest was a humanitarian as well as a great fighter. Does he deserve induction into the IBHOF?
I think he should be there........ his record is great after he turned pro as far as I know. I would like to mention that Kostya Tszyu beat Vernon easily when an amateur. Tszyu was perfect as an amateur..... Forrest beat some guys who were built up as invincible..... there are better resumes but his is a fine record.

very good WW

he really was

got some great wins too

and he was a great man.



but no way

sorry brother

I'll never understand how a man who made beating Sugar Shane look so easy could have such trouble with a cigarette smoking brawler like Ricardo Mayorga, that just makes no sense to me.

HOF? I dunno.

Either way, RIP Vernon. :(

very good WW

he really was

got some great wins too

and he was a great man.



but no way

sorry brother
That's O'K. but why do you say that ??... Do you think his career to sparse ?.... just curious to know..... I'm certainly no expert on Vernon.

That's O'K. but why do you say that ??... Do you think his career to sparse ?.... just curious to know..... I'm certainly no expert on Vernon.


Ray Oliveira
Vince Phillips
Shane Mosley (x2)
Ike Quartey
Carlos Baldomir
Michele Piccirillo
Sergio Mora

somebody posted these earlier as his best wins

that honestly says enough

he was also not only stopped by ricardo mayorga (mayorga had very heavy hands and very good handspeed at WW,) he lost via decision in the rematch

and he lost via decision (albeit late i his career, and he avenged the loss) to sergio mora.


he's got two great wins aginst mosley

he was a monster puncher and he had mosley truly hurt and wobbled in his prime (i'm sure you don't need me to tell you how good shane's chin was)

and a win against a faded ike quartey coming off of a long layoff and only tune up fights (where he would struggle against the likes of verno phillips :/ )


in my humble opinion you have to keep guys like forrest out to maintain the integrity of the level of excellence in the hall of fame


he was, however, at his best, a very good WW.