For years boxing fans have wondered what was in the "black bottle" that the infamous Panama Lewis made Pryor drink from. Pryor, seemingly rejuvenated, came out from his corner and stopped Arguello in the next round with a barrage of punches.

No drug tests were ever taken. Arguello bitterly protested at first, but as a classy individual let it be when nothing could be done.

Could Luis Resto's admission of guilt in the new HBO documentary have finally given us some answers? Here's what he had to say:

Drath’s persistence pays off and finally after 25 years, Resto admits his guilt in the matter. Further, he adds that not only did Panama Lewis remove padding from the glove, but his hand wraps were dipped in plaster before the fight as well.

And, to top it all off, Resto said that he drank an illegal stimulant in a water bottle mixed by Panama Lewis, the same Lewis who was caught on camera in the Aaron Pryor corner asking for the water bottle --“no, not that one, the one I mixed,” in Pryor’s first fight with Alexis Arguello, just prior to knocking out Arguello.

“When you’re tired, drink that and your lungs open up,” Resto says and adds that he used it in the Collins fight.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=21214

According to Panama Lewis, the "black bottle" only contained mineral water mixed with tap water but then again he is hardly a trustworthy source on this matter. To this day he continues to deny all accusations about the Luis Resto-Billy Collins Jr. fight.

I've heard there was cocaine in the water..

Pryor came back and beat him fair n square in the rematch. Maybe that don't prove he Lewis didn't do dirt in the 1st fight, but it proves Pryor didn't need him to.

Pryor came back and beat him fair n square in the rematch. Maybe that don't prove he Lewis didn't do dirt in the 1st fight, but it proves Pryor didn't need him to.

Hard to say, Pryor figured him out stylistically and Arguello had deteriorated somewhat by the time of the second fight. For Arguello, coming up in weight against a fellow great, the first time around was his best shot.

What Resto said just adds to the suspicions that we had about what was in that bottle but we still don't know for sure what was in it. But one thing was for sure, Pryor looked tired at the end of the 13th whereas it looked like Arguello was coming on a little, Pryor came out in the 14th like it was the first round.

Incidentally, despite spurious claims in the HBO documentary, Arguello needed a knockdown (to have a chance for a draw) or a stoppage by the 14th round when the stoppage occurred. The scorecards were (from Arguello's standpoint): 124-127 | judge: Ken Morita 127-125 | judge: Ove Ovesen 124-127. I'm not sure where this story of a "Hispanic official scoring every round for Arguello, so Pryor needed the KO" came from, but it appears to be completely fictional.

Incidentally, despite spurious claims in the HBO documentary, Arguello needed a knockdown (to have a chance for a draw) or a stoppage by the 14th round when the stoppage occurred. The scorecards were (from Arguello's standpoint): 124-127 | judge: Ken Morita 127-125 | judge: Ove Ovesen 124-127. I'm not sure where this story of a "Hispanic official scoring every round for Arguello, so Pryor needed the KO" came from, but it appears to be completely fictional.

Another one of the many myths created by the HBO Legendary Nights series.

Ken Morita is Japanese and in my view ranks as one of the worst judges of all time.

What gives more credence to the possibility of dirty tricks is Panama Lewis is on record and established as a cheat (ie. being banned for removing padding from his fighter's gloves). So there is significantly more weight to it than the unsubstantiated conspiracy theories your usually hear (Foreman was drugged, Wlad was drugged ect.).

Poet

what also pissed me off was the judges were scoring the WHOLE fight for arguello when pryor was winning some rounds.

my cousin (who was 7 at that time) said the bottle contained an amount of cocaine.

what also pissed me off was the judges were scoring the WHOLE fight for arguello when pryor was winning some rounds.

That's a myth, as I noted above.

what also pissed me off was the judges were scoring the WHOLE fight for arguello when pryor was winning some rounds.

my cousin (who was 7 at that time) said the bottle contained an amount of cocaine.

You should be more pissed at HBO for polluting people's minds with myths in their documentary series.

Anyway, yeah it's tainted. Now Pryor usually showed a lot of stamina anyway, but still, there'll always be a question mark of what was in the bottle (and keep in mind Pryor took in early in the fight as well as later).

Sure Pryor won the rematch, but do you expect a guy with 80+ pro fights and who's taken such a brutal beating as Arguello did in the first fight to be the same anyway?

It certainly seemed to unnatturely revive Pryor, I'm not a great believer in conspiracies but I know what I saw and Panama does have form. I'm inclined to believe this one.
I do believe both men deserve credit in this fight whatever the circumstances.
I give credit to Arguello great credit for going after Pryor there were easier options for his 4th title, its a shame it looks as if he might have been cheated out of it.
Still I guess the last month has proved it aint that important at the end of the day

No it's not tainted,just overrated,Arguello was a fading fighter by the time he fought Pryor and that's a fact.Pryor is recognized as a great sorely because that win and I find that disgusting


Like I said before this is another Dramaticized slanted drama HBO special that will give the typical ignorant retarded casual viewer their entire life time's worth supply of boxing knowledge based upon myths,half truths and lies


I've said it before I'll say it again.If any boxing fan had any integrity at all,they shall not watch these stupid specials.Hbo already thinks you are blind sheep who are content with the meh fights they put out


my cousin (who was 7 at that time) said the bottle contained an amount of cocaine.

Tell your cousin from me,that he's a moron

HBO wasnt really the ones to open people's eyes about the bottle. People on boxing forums were talking about that before the HBO special came out and even Arguello mentions in the Latin Legends DVD that there was talk of drugs on Pryor's part in that first fight. I know HBO is not completely innocent but the controversy of that first fight was around for years before.

There will always be a cloud of suspicion, especially because of Lewis' history, but its hard to call it tainted with no proof.

There will always be a cloud of suspicion, especially because of Lewis' history, but its hard to call it tainted with no proof.
'Controversial' being the operative..

HBO wasnt really the ones to open people's eyes about the bottle. People on boxing forums were talking about that before the HBO special came out and even Arguello mentions in the Latin Legends DVD that there was talk of drugs on Pryor's part in that first fight. I know HBO is not completely innocent but the controversy of that first fight was around for years before.

From a 1986 interview with Peter Heller:

"Somebody gave him something, because if I was tired, he would have been tired too. Pryor didn't win the fight. The drugs made him win. Then I found out the Pryor people paid not to go to the exam that has to be done for any world championship fight. His exam never took place. They did mine, because I did it in front of people, before and after [the fight]. They never did it. They paid. The person that got the money told me."

I thought it was obvious Pryor was winning the fight, as great as it was Pryor was more active and landing more big shots. That being said, it is a shame there will always be that cloud over one of the great fights ever. Who knows if we will ever find out what was in that bottle.

Why would you mix mineral water and tap water together in the first place?

:dance:

With the way Panama Lewis was, i lean to the view that something illegal went on, but im sure we will never know for sure. Shame shuch a great fight between 2 great fighters is shrouded in such conterversy.

No it's not tainted,just overrated,Arguello was a fading fighter by the time he fought Pryor and that's a fact.


He looked in pretty good shape to me in that fight and looked tip top against Watt and Mancini the year before.

Pryor is recognized as a great sorely because that win and I find that disgusting

It added to his reputation for sure but wasn't the be all and end all.

Like I said before this is another Dramaticized slanted drama HBO special that will give the typical ignorant retarded casual viewer their entire life time's worth supply of boxing knowledge based upon myths,half truths and lies


I've said it before I'll say it again.If any boxing fan had any integrity at all,they shall not watch these stupid specials.Hbo already thinks you are blind sheep who are content with the meh fights they put out

Don't watch these specials so can't comment

There will always be a cloud of suspicion, especially because of Lewis' history, but its hard to call it tainted with no proof.
I'm like you I don't like to denigrate a fighter based on rumour but do think this one has legs.

He looked in pretty good shape to me in that fight and looked tip top against Watt and Mancini the year before.

He looked like crap against Andrew Ganigan and James Busceme that very same year he fought Pryor,Atleast Watt and Mancini were top fighters,neither Ganigan or Busceme were

It added to his reputation for sure but wasn't the be all and end all.

Oh,did he have any another noteworthy victories? do you mean his victory over the 34 year old Cervantes?

we will never know if the water was tampered with, But the 2nd fight after Arguello gets counted out Pryor stands looking into the crowd with his arms on the top rope, Lewis comes behing him and pushes his fingers under Pryors nostrils, its right there on the fight-film footage for all to see... i dont know what he was doing but it looks mighty suspisious

I'm like you I don't like to denigrate a fighter based on rumour but do think this one has legs.

I think so too. But without proof...........:dunno:

From a 1986 interview with Peter Heller:

"Somebody gave him something, because if I was tired, he would have been tired too. Pryor didn't win the fight. The drugs made him win. Then I found out the Pryor people paid not to go to the exam that has to be done for any world championship fight. His exam never took place. They did mine, because I did it in front of people, before and after [the fight]. They never did it. They paid. The person that got the money told me."

This I didn't know.

Incidentally, despite spurious claims in the HBO documentary, Arguello needed a knockdown (to have a chance for a draw) or a stoppage by the 14th round when the stoppage occurred. The scorecards were (from Arguello's standpoint): 124-127 | judge: Ken Morita 127-125 | judge: Ove Ovesen 124-127. I'm not sure where this story of a "Hispanic official scoring every round for Arguello, so Pryor needed the KO" came from, but it appears to be completely fictional.

You are 100 percent correct. HBO should have done better research. If you can't get the scoring correct on one of the greatest fights ever, how credible is your documentary?

lol at grown men thinking you can turn into superman by drinking cocaine water.....the victory is tainted the resto thing happened less than a year later, i still think pryor wouldve won......pryor is very overatted by some because of this fight tho......he got hit so much by arguello, imagine a prime 140 rippin him up....

lol at grown men thinking you can turn into superman by drinking cocaine water.....the victory is tainted the resto thing happened less than a year later, i still think pryor wouldve won......pryor is very overatted by some because of this fight tho......he got hit so much by arguello, imagine a prime 140 rippin him up....

Maybe. but Arguello is one of the best p4p fighters ever and put up a huge effort. I don't see the likes of Tszyu or Hatton being able to last with the Alexis who lost to Pryor in that 1st fight.

None of us will ever know for sure.

But from my viewpoint, there was definitely something fishy going on in that corner that night. And given the history of shady dealings that follows Lewis, it lends an aura of credibility to the controversy.

Whatever the case ; Aaron Pryor didn't need whatever it was in that bottle to beat Arguello.

Did he benefit from it? Obviously. Just look at the way he darted out for the 14th round like a spring chicken.

But did he really need it?

I'm not so sure about that.

The rematch does nothing to disprove the controversy in my eyes, because by that time Arguello had already showed signs of slipping and took a hellacious beating in the first fight.

The Alexis that fought Pryor the first time, and the Alexis that showed up for the rematch were two completely different fighters.

He looked like crap against Andrew Ganigan and James Busceme that very same year he fought Pryor,Atleast Watt and Mancini were top fighters,neither Ganigan or Busceme were



Oh,did he have any another noteworthy victories? do you mean his victory over the 34 year old Cervantes?


I think Arguelllo was starting to slow down to, i think his peak was around the Limon, Chacon, Escalera rematch,

Another one was the second fight with Alexis Arguello and Arron Pryor, when Pryor asked me to train him. He was afraid going into the rematch with Arguello because Panama Lewis had been arrested and put in jail at the time, and he was the guy who trained him for the first fight, and even though he never admitted it in so many words, he told me that they were basically getting by with some kind of things that were not legal. So I said, “Well, I will show you how to beat Alexis, but we will beat him by using technique and then you won’t be hit by all those big punches. You know, you’re not going to come to me at the end of the round and where I’ll have something to give you in the drink. We’re going beat him by using different types of techniques.” In two and a half weeks of training, I was able to get him to the fight where it didn’t get that much notice, but he came in totally different with a haircut and a nice white outfit instead of that regular stuff. So I spent a lot of time with him, not just training, but also mentally and psychologically because I knew him well from the amateurs. I was right here in Michigan, so I used to catch him around a lot. So he knew that I knew his style, and he could box pretty good even though he was only five foot six. That was one of proudest moments I had, too, and I thought he fought a great fight without having to resort to any other things just by using his technique and boxing skills.

http://www.e.a.s.t.sideboxing.com/news.php?p=20737&more=1


pretty intresting quote from this Manny Steward interview

what was Aaron Pryors reach

lol at grown men thinking you can turn into superman by drinking cocaine water.....the victory is tainted the resto thing happened less than a year later, i still think pryor wouldve won......pryor is very overatted by some because of this fight tho......he got hit so much by arguello, imagine a prime 140 rippin him up....

Well, he did basically get on his knees and offered to suck Sugar Ray Leonard off to fight him. Leonard wanted no part of the man. He also beat Hearns in the amateurs and couldn't get Hearns interested in trying to avenge the loss in the pros.

But, I do agree the man's resume is pretty weak. He really just should have fought in another weight division. Pryor vs Duran would have been a hell of a war.

Well, he did basically get on his knees and offered to suck Sugar Ray Leonard off to fight him. Leonard wanted no part of the man. He also beat Hearns in the amateurs and couldn't get Hearns interested in trying to avenge the loss in the pros.

But, I do agree the man's resume is pretty weak. He really just should have fought in another weight division. Pryor vs Duran would have been a hell of a war.

Pryor wasn't happy with the money offered from Leonard (half a mil).

He could've fought Duran at 150, but he had managerial problems. By the time it was cleared up, the offer to fight Duran was off the table.

A Hearns-Pryor fight as pros at 147 would end in ugly fashion for Pryor IMO.

Henry Tillman beat Tyson twice in the amatuers so it's clear Mike wanted no part of him in the pros ;)

Poet

From a 1986 interview with Peter Heller:

"Somebody gave him something, because if I was tired, he would have been tired too. Pryor didn't win the fight. The drugs made him win. Then I found out the Pryor people paid not to go to the exam that has to be done for any world championship fight. His exam never took place. They did mine, because I did it in front of people, before and after [the fight]. They never did it. They paid. The person that got the money told me."
That statement is worthless. It's hear-say. Why wouldn't the guy who took the bribe come forward and tell his story? Untill he does Peter Heller's words counts for nothing and he should have kept his mouth shut.

That statement is worthless. It's hear-say. Why wouldn't the guy who took the bribe come forward and tell his story? Untill he does Peter Heller's words counts for nothing and he should have kept his mouth shut.

You must have gotten it wrong. Those were Alexis Arguello's words in an interview with Peter Heller. The way I worded it probably made it seem like it was Heller saying that.

It was during a very troubled time for Arguello though so I would take it with a grain of salt.

You must have gotten it wrong. Those were Alexis Arguello's words in an interview with Peter Heller. The way I worded it probably made it seem like it was Heller saying that.

It was during a very troubled time for Arguello though so I would take it with a grain of salt.
I got it wrong. Was busy as hell at work and took a short break reading this thread..... Not good enough though.

Henry Tillman beat Tyson twice in the amatuers so it's clear Mike wanted no part of him in the pros ;)

Poet

:lame:

Case by case basis. Hearns simply was not interested, Pryor however was.

I think its definetely tainted now, if you saw the hbo special "assault in the ring", its about billy collins and luis restos fight. Panama used the same "black bottle" stuff he did with pryor, it supposedly opens the airways and helps the fighter breathe better.

On top of the black bottle stuff, in that fight he slipped out alot of padding and put plaster on restos wraps, horrible stuff...

:lame:

Case by case basis. Hearns simply was not interested, Pryor however was.

No, what's lame is people like yourself perpetuating the myth that every top Welter was quaking in their boots over a crude, unproven commodity with only a past it and well over prime weight Arguello as the only recognisable name on his record. I've never seen so much missplaced hype over a fighter who achieved so little with the possible exception of Tony Ayala.

Poet

No, what's lame is people like yourself perpetuating the myth that every top Welter was quaking in their boots over a crude, unproven commodity with only a past it and well over prime weight Arguello as the only recognisable name on his record. I've never seen so much missplaced hype over a fighter who achieved so little with the possible exception of Tony Ayala.

Poet

Aaron Pryor was an avoided fighter, like it or not. And Arguello isn't the only HOFer on Pryor's resume. Cervantes ring a bell? Yes I know, he was also past his prime...not the point.

Let me ask you this, who did Aaron Pryor duck?

Well, he did basically get on his knees and offered to suck Sugar Ray Leonard off to fight him. Leonard wanted no part of the man. He also beat Hearns in the amateurs and couldn't get Hearns interested in trying to avenge the loss in the pros.

Spoken like a true dunce.Tell me,Which was your favourite episode from the Legendary Nights series? And which episode did you learn the most from?


I think its definetely tainted now, if you saw the hbo special "assault in the ring", its about billy collins and luis restos fight. Panama used the same "black bottle" stuff he did with pryor, it supposedly opens the airways and helps the fighter breathe better.

On top of the black bottle stuff, in that fight he slipped out alot of padding and put plaster on restos wraps, horrible stuff...

Thanks dumbass,because it's not like anyone here has heard of this fight or documentary.Tell me,Did you enjoy this documentary? Did you gain knowledge from this documentary? Do you feel you swallow on every little piece of **** that hbo feeds you in the future?

are you a sheep? are you that lazy that you have to rely on the understanding of a documentary?

Do everyone a favour and drop dead sheep

When did Hearns have an offer to fight Pryor? Were there any negotiations in play?

We do have written articles around this time that Pryor had offers from both Duran and Leonard, that Pryor rejected, not Duran and Leonard.

Of course, Sports Illustrated articles from the early 1980s and biographies on Roberto Duran aren't as reliable as a documentary series that claims a Nicaraguan judge named Ken Morita had Arguello far ahead of Pryor (by a whopping 2 points) and that Chavez dominated the rematch with Taylor.

It's strange that a well-made and entertaining series could pollute the minds of so many boxing fans with bullsh!t.

Spoken like a true dunce.Tell me,Which was your favourite episode from the Legendary Nights series? And which episode did you learn the most from?

All that hate weighs heavy on your heart son. Let it go. And my favorite Legendary Night Series is....Bowe vs Golota. Haven't seen one on Pryor.

Aaron Pryor was an avoided fighter, like it or not. And Arguello isn't the only HOFer on Pryor's resume. Cervantes ring a bell? Yes I know, he was also past his prime...not the point.

Let me ask you this, who did Aaron Pryor duck?

Cervantes wasn't past prime he was washed up. At the time Pryor fought him Antonio hadn't beaten a name fighter since Saul Mamby in 1976. Provide real evidence that Hearns and Leonard ducked him, not unsubstantiated llegations. In any case the question isn't "who Pryor ducked" (and since it was HE who rejected the Leonard offer it sure looks like he ducked Sugar Ray); the question is who did Pryor beat that would make Hearns and Leonard et al fear him? Aaron Pryor was a big fish in a small pond and it takes more than that to get compared to the big boys. I didn't exactly see Aaron beating down the door to fight Cuevas or Benitez either. You're boy wasn't a superstar: Live with it.

Poet

Cervantes wasn't past prime he was washed up. At the time Pryor fought him Antonio hadn't beaten a name fighter since Saul Mamby in 1976. Provide real evidence that Hearns and Leonard ducked him, not unsubstanciated allegations. In any case the question isn't "who Pryor ducked" (and since it was HE who rejected the Leonard offer it sure looks like he ducked Sugar Ray); the question is who did Pryor beat that would make Hearns and Leonard et al fear him? Aaron Pryor was a big fish in a small pond and it takes more than that to get compared to the big boys. I didn't exactly see Aaron beating down the door to fight Cuevas or Benitez either. You're boy wasn't a superstar: Live with it.

Poet

Now he's my boy, lol, ok man. I've written in like 10 threads total in my life about Pryor, 5 in the last 2 weeks due to the documentary that came out. In one of the earlier ones I was backing Carmen Basilio to beat him head to head. Pryor would only make the tail end of my top 100 ATG list :sleeping:

Doesn't change the fact that he was avoided tho. :boxing:

Pryor would only make the tail end of my top 100 ATG list :sleeping:

That had better be the tail end of the top 100 Welters and NOT top 100 p4p: Aaron never earned his way onto any p4p lists.

Doesn't change the fact that he was avoided tho. :boxing:

Provide real evidence not unsubstantiated claims: In other words, put up or shut up :boxing:

Poet

That had better be the tail end of the top 100 Welters and NOT top 100 p4p: Aaron never earned his way onto any p4p lists.


:smashfrea

He's rated as a Lightweight by most, since it was a division he was actually in and would have remained in longer if he could have gotten the fights he wanted there.

From Cyber Boxing Zone:


Pryor was a non-stop fighting machine who seemingly never tired; He threw punches - lefts and rights - from all angles; He possessed great stamina and was relentless in his attack; He could dish it out and take it too; Aaron scored a knockout in 87.5 percent of his bouts

During his career, he won the WBA Light Welterweight Championship of the World and the IBF Light Welterweight Championship of the World

The "Hawk" defeated such men as Alexis Arguello, Antonio Cervantes, Gary Hinton, Sang Hyun Kim, Nick Furlano, Dujuan Johnson, Akio Kameda, Miguel Montilla, Johnny Summerhays, Alfonso "Peppermint" Frazer, Al Ford, Leonidas Asprilla, Danny Myers, Gaetan Hart and Lennox Blackmoore

Herb Goldman ranked Pryor as the #5 All-Time Lightweight; Aaron was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1996 and the World Boxing Hall of Fame in 2001


From Cox's Corner:


Lightweight Ratings:

1. Joe Gans
2. Benny Leonard
3. Roberto Duran
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Aaron Pryor
6. Barney Ross
7. Tony Canzoneri
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
9. Jack Blackburn
10. Ike Williams

I think Arguello would have taken Pryor had it not been the insta refresh Pryor was getting from his water bottle.

He's rated as a Lightweight by most, since it was a division he was actually in and would have remained in longer if he could have gotten the fights he wanted there.

And Pryor fought at 135 when? Looks to me like he spent his entire career weighing more than the Lightweight limit. And since when is Cyber Boxing Zone an authority on anything? Isn't that where all the Max Kellerman wanna-bes hang out? Hey! While we're at it why not rate Roy Jones at 135 too?

Poet

And Pryor fought at 135 when? Looks to me like he spent his entire career weighing more than the Lightweight limit. And since when is Cyber Boxing Zone an authority on anything? Isn't that where all the Max Kellerman wanna-bes hang out? Hey! While we're at it why not rate Roy Jones at 135 too?

Poet

LOL. You're a funny guy.

We all know non title bouts can be held 2-3 lbs over the weight limit. And the point is he's rated by historians by as a Lightweight, CBZ is merely referencing what someone else had to say. I can write up the list straight from the The Ring if you'd like...

LOL. You're a funny guy.

We all know non title bouts can be held 2-3 lbs over the weight limit. And the point is he's rated by historians by as a Lightweight, CBZ is merely referencing what someone else had to say. I can write up the list straight from the The Ring if you'd like...

There are always crack pots who will say anything and not care if it's counter-factual are not. There are certainly boxing historians who are also nuthuggers. Case in point: Hank Kaplan who spent his senile years nuthugging Michael Gerard aka Leg-Iron Mike.

Poet

:lame:

Case by case basis. Hearns simply was not interested, Pryor however was.

I'm guessing Pryor would fight him at 147? Hearns would have ended Pryors life at 147.

we are talking 6'1 fully grown Hearns hitting a willing target who was shorter than Roberto Duran. I seriously doubt Hearns was ducking him, he was at his confidence peak.

Pryor was a beast at 140, good puncher, tough, good stamina (even without the yoked bottle) good reach for his size and a great workrate that attacked from all angles. I think he was a naturally strong guy to.

Leonard and Hearns would have ate him up though, they wouldn't have been ducking him when they had guys like Hagler and Duran to worry about.

Thanks dumbass,because it's not like anyone here has heard of this fight or documentary.Tell me,Did you enjoy this documentary? Did you gain knowledge from this documentary? Do you feel you swallow on every little piece of **** that hbo feeds you in the future?

are you a sheep? are you that lazy that you have to rely on the understanding of a documentary?

Do everyone a favour and drop dead sheep

Yeah I liked it, thanks for asking love. I like to hear diffrent points of view, Im not some close minded joke account whos not open to debate and cant stand someone elses opinion thats diffrent. I dont know why I even responded to you, but Im crazy for you baby :luvbed:

How cute,Did your mother type that out for you or did daddy have you sit on his lap while you typed it? Either way piss off and get the f*ck off my forum

sorry princemanpopper, yes I was sitting on my pappys lap while typing that, I will get off your forum for a limited time only, like the mc rib.

I'm guessing Pryor would fight him at 147? Hearns would have ended Pryors life at 147.

we are talking 6'1 fully grown Hearns hitting a willing target who was shorter than Roberto Duran. I seriously doubt Hearns was ducking him, he was at his confidence peak.

Pryor was a beast at 140, good puncher, tough, good stamina (even without the yoked bottle) good reach for his size and a great workrate that attacked from all angles. I think he was a naturally strong guy to.

Leonard and Hearns would have ate him up though, they wouldn't have been ducking him when they had guys like Hagler and Duran to worry about.

Ducking generally comes from the risk/financial reward ratio. Pryor couldn't earn them money like Duran and Hagler could, and if they lost it would be more damaging to their careers than losing to Duran or Hagler.

There's a great interview with Manny Steward on ESB. He says something that practically seals the matter:

"Q: You’ve trained a lot of great fighters over the years. What was your proudest moment as a trainer throughout your long and illustrious career?

......

Another one was the second fight with Alexis Arguello and Arron Pryor, when Pryor asked me to train him. He was afraid going into the rematch with Arguello because Panama Lewis had been arrested and put in jail at the time, and he was the guy who trained him for the first fight, and even though he never admitted it in so many words, he told me that they were basically getting by with some kind of things that were not legal. So I said, “Well, I will show you how to beat Alexis, but we will beat him by using technique and then you won’t be hit by all those big punches. You know, you’re not going to come to me at the end of the round and where I’ll have something to give you in the drink. We’re going beat him by using different types of techniques.” In two and a half weeks of training, I was able to get him to the fight where it didn’t get that much notice, but he came in totally different with a haircut and a nice white outfit instead of that regular stuff. So I spent a lot of time with him, not just training, but also mentally and psychologically because I knew him well from the amateurs. I was right here in Michigan, so I used to catch him around a lot. So he knew that I knew his style, and he could box pretty good even though he was only five foot six. That was one of proudest moments I had, too, and I thought he fought a great fight without having to resort to any other things just by using his technique and boxing skills."

All that hate weighs heavy on your heart son. Let it go. And my favorite Legendary Night Series is....Bowe vs Golota. Haven't seen one on Pryor.

Give it up Dunce,You're a fraud.You don't have a clue about anything.You spout the same **** that hbo feeds you because your too damn lazy to do any research of your own.You've seen everyone of those stupid episodes and that's where you got the idea that Pryor was avoided by every fighter under the sun,You think by having an avatar of the supposed "p4p king" validates you as a a real boxing fan when when all it does is make you look like a desperate max kellerman wannabe

Give it up Dunce,You're a fraud.You don't have a clue about anything.You spout the same **** that hbo feeds you because your too damn lazy to do any research of your own.You've seen everyone of those stupid episodes and that's where you got the idea that Pryor was avoided by every fighter under the sun,You think by having an avatar of the supposed "p4p king" validates you as a a real boxing fan when when all it does is make you look like a desperate max kellerman wannabe

You try too hard to sound important kid.

Did you say that out loud while you typed it dunce? My guess is that you probably did.Now go watch some more legendary night episodes dunce.Or how about 24/7,That's coming up very soon,I'm sure a sheep like you would love such a series dunce,One that caters to simple minded ignorant fools like you or better yet go watch some cage fighting.That should be right up your alley dunce

Did you say that out loud while you typed it dunce? My guess is that you probably did.Now go watch some more legendary night episodes dunce.Or how about 24/7,That's coming up very soon,I'm sure a sheep like you would love such a series dunce,One that caters to simple minded ignorant fools like you or better yet go watch some cage fighting.That should be right up your alley dunce

No one intelligent would repeat the word dunce this much.

You are a dunce,I address those on what they are,be it an idiot,fool,moron.You happen to be a dunce and that is what I shall continue to address you as in future,And I encourage others to do so also

You are a dunce,I address those on what they are,be it an idiot,fool,moron.You happen to be a dunce and that is what I shall continue to address you as in future,And I encourage others to do so also

You would wouldn't you. Encourage people to bring themselves down to your level. That would be the ultimate satisfaction for you.

You should be more pissed at HBO for polluting people's minds with myths in their documentary series.

Anyway, yeah it's tainted. Now Pryor usually showed a lot of stamina anyway, but still, there'll always be a question mark of what was in the bottle (and keep in mind Pryor took in early in the fight as well as later).

Sure Pryor won the rematch, but do you expect a guy with 80+ pro fights and who's taken such a brutal beating as Arguello did in the first fight to be the same anyway?

Not really to be honest, he was done when he fought Pryor, too many fights man.

Panama, Pryor and resto are all a bunch of ****ing cheaters. Period. dude was getting waxed in the round prior to knocking arguello out. then all of the sudden he comes out like a bat out of hell and coincidentally in between that round lewis ask for "not that bottle, the one i mixed." why would you need a mixed bottle of anything when the only thing that can be given to a boxer is water. what more evidence do you need?:slap:

Panama, Pryor and resto are all a bunch of ****ing cheaters. Period. dude was getting waxed in the round prior to knocking arguello out. then all of the sudden he comes out like a bat out of hell and coincidentally in between that round lewis ask for "not that bottle, the one i mixed." why would you need a mixed bottle of anything when the only thing that can be given to a boxer is water. what more evidence do you need?:slap:

Waxed is a bit much. Other than the big right hand Arguello landed,which Pryor didn't get wobbled by, there was nothing notable done to Pryor in that round.

Also, Panama claims he mixed tap water with mineral water. That's still just water.

Panama, Pryor and resto are all a bunch of ****ing cheaters. Period. dude was getting waxed in the round prior to knocking arguello out. then all of the sudden he comes out like a bat out of hell and coincidentally in between that round lewis ask for "not that bottle, the one i mixed." why would you need a mixed bottle of anything when the only thing that can be given to a boxer is water. what more evidence do you need?:slap:



Oh well,When you put it like that Suavecito80 I guess so.I mean 1+1+=2 right? and 2+2=5 right? It's such a shame that we don't have as many articulate and knowledgeable posters such as yourself lurking these forums.Your insight into this subject I am sure has opened the eye's of many blind,casual sheep who didn't quite have the deep understanding of the topic as you did

Thank you Suavecito80.I look forward to more of your posts

You would wouldn't you. Encourage people to bring themselves down to your level. That would be the ultimate satisfaction for you.

Just leave dunce,You have clowned yourself far too often in this forum.Exposed yourself as a fake and a fraud.There is a thing called cage fighting,Should be right up your alley,Nothing complicated,Just two grown men grappling each other in a cage.Go now,Go while you still have a shred of dignity.......Oh wait

Waxed is a bit much. Other than the big right hand Arguello landed,which Pryor didn't get wobbled by, there was nothing notable done to Pryor in that round.

Also, Panama claims he mixed tap water with mineral water. That's still just water.

damn panama said that then **** it they just mixed water and mineral water. i mean you know since he said after the resto fight he didnt load the gloves and all. i mean he is just the most credible trainer in the history of boxing. i changed my mind lewis and pryor didnt cheat in that fight he beat arguello fair and square. thank you for clearing that up for me.

Oh well,When you put it like that Suavecito80 I guess so.I mean 1+1+=2 right? and 2+2=5 right? It's such a shame that we don't have as many articulate and knowledgeable posters such as yourself lurking these forums.Your insight into this subject I am sure has opened the eye's of many blind,casual sheep who didn't quite have the deep understanding of the topic as you did

Thank you Suavecito80.I look forward to more of your posts



Just leave dunce,You have clowned yourself far too often in this forum.Exposed yourself as a fake and a fraud.There is a thing called cage fighting,Should be right up your alley,Nothing complicated,Just two grown men grappling each other in a cage.Go now,Go while you still have a shred of dignity.......Oh wait

i dont need hbo to let me know ****. lewis said pass me the bottle i mixed. mixed with what??? i didnt make that up i ****ing heard him say it. but you know what you are to smart for a person like me i guess. and him loading gloves for resto didnt happen either that was just a figment of our imagination. :bs2: