I'm talking the Marciano that beat Louis Vs the Holyfield who beat Tyson in the 1st fight.. Be interested to see some views on this.. Would Rocky once again be too small or is Holyfield made to measure?
Both fighters have incredible will & toughness.. Both don't have a quit button.. Both have good chins & violent attack patterns.. It all adds up to one of the greatest shows on Earth... But who takes it?.... Let me know... I'd suggest only Ezzard Charles can be the goat here...

I'll opt for Evander. He had immense punch resistance and heart. I cant see Rocky KOing him, and thus Holy would box his ears off. Rocky was too crude a fighter, too raw.

Holy doesnt have to worry about brain damage. He was never going to get a PhD anyway.

Not 'could' he have beaten Holyfield. The issue that we need to be resolving here is how many seconds it would take. Try Marciano by KO in the opening seconds of the fight. I rest my case here lads.

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Poet why do you have to take BS Forum so serious? you treat it like real life, it's only a forum. calm down.

and why do you have to put poet after every post you write, we all no your username.

Poet why do you have to take BS Forum so serious? you treat it like real life, it's only a forum. calm down.

and why do you have to put poet after every post you write, we all no your username.

The cunt does not have anything else in his life to get excited about. Don't mind him young lad.

Holyfield would have beaten marciano

Rocky would stop Holy IMO, Holy was easier to hit then Walcott, and i think Walcott had abit more edge in his Punching power.

Rocky would get to him, when Holy fought Tyson every time he held onto Mike, Mike did nothing, He couldnt do this with Rocky, Rocky would keep working, and sooner or later he would catch Evander. Both are warriors. It would be a war but Holy would Tire. Thats when Rocky would chop him down.

I would pick Marciano to KO the Holyfield that fought Tyson. Give me the Holyfield that fought Bowe and I'll take the Real Deal.

Rocky would stop Holy IMO, Holy was easier to hit then Walcott, and i think Walcott had abit more edge in his Punching power.

Rocky would get to him, when Holy fought Tyson every time he held onto Mike, Mike did nothing, He couldnt do this with Rocky, Rocky would keep working, and sooner or later he would catch Evander. Both are warriors. It would be a war but Holy would Tire. Thats when Rocky would chop him down.

Have you ever predicted Marciano to lose?

Even Riddick Bowe couldn't stop Evander until Holy was 34 and gassed out, Lewis couldn't stop Evander when he was well, well past his best, Tyson couldn't stop Evander, Qawi couldn't stop an Evander who was young and inexperienced and basically had no place in a 15 round championship fight. Evander had a top notch chin and Marciano is not going to stop him. Evander is a much better boxer than Marciano, and is also much stronger and would batter and muscle him around if he needed to.
Evander by UD, Evander warred and (mostly) won against guys that were 30+lbs heavier than him, or freaks like Tyson who possessed ungodly strength, marciano wont hurt him

I honestly don't see Holyfield being stopped, or even dropped. Decision either way, hard to predict who would take control of the fight. It would be Holyfield's technique against Marciano's output.

Evander would be way to strong for Rocky. Let's be real here, no mythical crap. Evander was tough as nails and strong as hell, he was going toe to toe with big George in the 90's.

If Evander saw that he had a size advantage, he would really step up the pressure against the rock.

and, Evander is a greater + better boxer than Rocky.

I honestly don't see Holyfield being stopped, or even dropped. Decision either way, hard to predict who would take control of the fight. It would be Holyfield's technique against Marciano's output.

Holyfield had a pretty solid workrate himself.

Evander would be way to strong for Rocky. Let's be real here, no mythical crap. Evander was tough as nails and strong as hell, he was going toe to toe with big George in the 90's.

If Evander saw that he had a size advantage, he would really step up the pressure against the rock.

and, Evander is a greater + better boxer than Rocky.

Exactly, Holyfield warred with dudes who outweighed him by as much as 40 lbs, tough, strong guy who were good boxers too. Against Rocky Evander is not only a better boxer, but bigger and stronger. Not only can he outbox Rocky, he can also outmuscle him.

Have you ever predicted Marciano to lose?

Even Riddick Bowe couldn't stop Evander until Holy was 34 and gassed out, Lewis couldn't stop Evander when he was well, well past his best, Tyson couldn't stop Evander, Qawi couldn't stop an Evander who was young and inexperienced and basically had no place in a 15 round championship fight. Evander had a top notch chin and Marciano is not going to stop him. Evander is a much better boxer than Marciano, and is also much stronger and would batter and muscle him around if he needed to.
Evander by UD, Evander warred and (mostly) won against guys that were 30+lbs heavier than him, or freaks like Tyson who possessed ungodly strength, marciano wont hurt him

Yes i have predicted against Rocky, I think he would lose against George Foreman,Sonny Liston and Ali would give him alot of trouble.

But he would do very well against Holy. Evander has never been in the ring with anyone like Rocky, But Rocky has been in the ring with men like Holy, Walcott was Very skillfull,fast and had a better punch then Evander. In a 12 round fight Evander may make it, but in a 15 round fight Rocky would get him. Watch round 12 of Holys fight with Foreman, Holy was Exhausted and was holding on for his LIFE!. Rocky would work him hard, and Holy would tire in a 15 round fight, Rocky is Stronger then Holy. Although Holy is a warrior through and through so is Rocky, Rocky was freakishly fit, he would pound Evander with 100+ punches a round for 15 rounds, If they fought and Evander was as tired with Rocky as he was with Foreman it would be a win for Rock.


People always count out Rocky, I dont understand it.


Rocky stops Evander late, Rounds 14 or 15
in a 12 round fight Evander May win on Points.



Holy would have to work More with Rocky then he did with Foreman. Thats a big ask, Foreman gave Holy all he could handle.

Yes i have predicted against Rocky, I think he would lose against George Foreman,Sonny Liston and Ali would give him alot of trouble.

But he would do very well against Holy. Evander has never been in the ring with anyone like Rocky, But Rocky has been in the ring with men like Holy, Walcott was Very skillfull,fast and had a better punch then Evander. In a 12 round fight Evander may make it, but in a 15 round fight Rocky would get him. Watch round 12 of Holys fight with Foreman, Holy was Exhausted and was holding on for his LIFE!. Rocky would work him hard, and Holy would tire in a 15 round fight, Rocky is Stronger then Holy. Although Holy is a warrior through and through so is Rocky, Rocky was freakishly fit, he would pound Evander with 100+ punches a round for 15 rounds, If they fought and Evander was as tired with Rocky as he was with Foreman it would be a win for Rock.


People always count out Rocky, I dont understand it.


Rocky stops Evander late, Rounds 14 or 15
in a 12 round fight Evander May win on Points.



Holy would have to work More with Rocky then he did with Foreman. Thats a big ask, Foreman gave Holy all he could handle.

Has Rocky been in with anyone like Evander, in his prime? no, not even close. Yes Evander has been in with guys like Rocky, only better.

Holy stops him late in a war. And the Holy who beat Tyson wasn't even peak Holy. Rocky woulda been like Tyson tho, confused and in a bit of trouble when he couldn't KO Holy, which i don't think he would in this fight. At his best, the harder Holy was hit the harder he hit back. I think he'd suffer damage along the way but beat Rocky in the last 3rd of the fight sumwhere.

It would be a war for however long it lasts. I can't help but think Holyfield would be dragged into a toe-to-toe fight with Marciano and that would likely be a mistake. Hes not going to be able to 'out rocky' Rocky. Rocky has all the qualities he needs to win in that kind of fight against Holyfield. It would be similar to the Bowe-Holyfield fights I imagine.

Has Rocky been in with anyone like Evander, in his prime? no, not even close. Yes Evander has been in with guys like Rocky, only better.


The only fighter in Holyfields Career that he fought that was similar to Rocky Was Qawi- Fight 1, The only diffrence being was that he was 5ft 7inch tall , and didnt have the Stamina,Punching Power,Chin or Strength That Rocky had, And it took Holyfield 15 rounds, And was one of Holyfields hardest fights.

Holyfield had a pretty solid workrate himself.

When he got drawn into a brawl (closer to his original style), but we're talking about an older Holyfield boxing as he did against Tyson (likely the proper strategy here anyway). Marciano never stopped throwing, content to hit you anywhere, not just as openings presented themselves. That and possibly a power edge would be Marciano's only advantages in this fight. Although Marciano was better conditioned, I don't think it would be much of a factor unless his output managed to wear Holyfield down by the late rounds.

When he got drawn into a brawl (closer to his original style), but we're talking about an older Holyfield boxing as he did against Tyson (likely the proper strategy here anyway). Marciano never stopped throwing, content to hit you anywhere, not just as openings presented themselves. That and possibly a power edge would be Marciano's only advantages in this fight. Although Marciano was better conditioned, I don't think it would be much of a factor unless his output managed to wear Holyfield down by the late rounds.

what do you mean by better conditioned? I would say he has better stamina, but Holyfield is going to be much stronger and have better armor.

Yes i have predicted against Rocky, I think he would lose against George Foreman,Sonny Liston and Ali would give him alot of trouble.

But he would do very well against Holy. Evander has never been in the ring with anyone like Rocky, But Rocky has been in the ring with men like Holy, Walcott was Very skillfull,fast and had a better punch then Evander. In a 12 round fight Evander may make it, but in a 15 round fight Rocky would get him. Watch round 12 of Holys fight with Foreman, Holy was Exhausted and was holding on for his LIFE!. Rocky would work him hard, and Holy would tire in a 15 round fight, Rocky is Stronger then Holy. Although Holy is a warrior through and through so is Rocky, Rocky was freakishly fit, he would pound Evander with 100+ punches a round for 15 rounds, If they fought and Evander was as tired with Rocky as he was with Foreman it would be a win for Rock.


People always count out Rocky, I dont understand it.


Rocky stops Evander late, Rounds 14 or 15
in a 12 round fight Evander May win on Points.



Holy would have to work More with Rocky then he did with Foreman. Thats a big ask, Foreman gave Holy all he could handle.

Well thats a suprise

Walcott was a defensive counterpuncher, why would you compare him to Holyfield. Holyfield counterpunched and boxed sometimes but often prefered to trade.

Rocky is NOT stronger than Evander. Evander was as strong as a bull, he outmuscled Tyson FFS. Rocky hasnt fought a guy like Evander, Evander is too strong and too good a boxer. Evander has taken it to much bigger and stronger guys than that. Charles and the Joes were great fighters but past it when Rocky fought them.

Evander tired when he fought Foreman because he had to work non stop for 12 rounds against a 250lb guy that can smoke your ass with an arm punch! What tired Evander was the constant moving and changing direction vs george, against a guy like Rocky who wades in, Holy can trade and clinch all night long. Rocky was strong and game, but Evander is too strong and too good.

what do you mean by better conditioned? I would say he has better stamina, but Holyfield is going to be much stronger and have better armor.

...that's what conditioning means, hence the phrase "strength and conditioning" as opposed to just "conditioning".

Of course Holyfield could outbox Marciano, but when Holyfield got hit hard he brawled, and with a guy like Marciano, or Frazier, thatd be playing right into their hands. If the fight went 15 I could see Marciano taking him out late, but 12 and with the right strategy, he wins on points or stoppage due to cuts.

Well thats a suprise

Walcott was a defensive counterpuncher, why would you compare him to Holyfield. Holyfield counterpunched and boxed sometimes but often prefered to trade.

Rocky is NOT stronger than Evander. Evander was as strong as a bull, he outmuscled Tyson FFS. Rocky hasnt fought a guy like Evander, Evander is too strong and too good a boxer. Evander has taken it to much bigger and stronger guys than that. Charles and the Joes were great fighters but past it when Rocky fought them.

Evander tired when he fought Foreman because he had to work non stop for 12 rounds against a 250lb guy that can smoke your ass with an arm punch! What tired Evander was the constant moving and changing direction vs george, against a guy like Rocky who wades in, Holy can trade and clinch all night long. Rocky was strong and game, but Evander is too strong and too good.



Really? Trade and clinch all night long?? You obviously don't know Marciano, No way in hell will Evander be able to Trade then clinch with Rocky, NO ONE in Rockys whole Career could slow down Rocky , The fact is when Evander was in a tough fight He Brawled, if he Brawls Rocky, he will come off Second Best.


Anyway, we can debate back and forth and we wont get anywhere. Its really amusing to me that The ONLY undefeated HW champion of ALL TIME, seems to have little to no chance against anyone he is matched up against.


So I will finish my comments off with some of the REAL experts opinions on Rockys Strengh and Power.



Joe Louis

"It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."

"The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."



Jersey Joe Walcott


"Joe could take you out with combinations...Marciano was a one-punch artist. He threw every punch like you throw a baseball, as hard as he could. I have to say, with all respect to Joe, Marciano hit harder."



Ezzard Charles


"Rocky numbs you all over. Wherever he hits you, he hurts you; on the arms, the shoulders, the neck and the head."



Archie Moore


"After a fight with Marciano, it felt like you had been beat all over the upper body with a blackjack or hit with rocks."


"He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves."



And Here is One Last Quote From Muhammad Ali

When asked who out of ALL the Great heavyweight champions, Who would give him the most trouble, Ali Replied "Rocky Marciano"

Really? Trade and clinch all night long?? You obviously don't know Marciano, No way in hell will Evander be able to Trade then clinch with Rocky, NO ONE in Rockys whole Career could slow down Rocky , The fact is when Evander was in a tough fight He Brawled, if he Brawls Rocky, he will come off Second Best.


Anyway, we can debate back and forth and we wont get anywhere. Its really amusing to me that The ONLY undefeated HW champion of ALL TIME, seems to have little to no chance against anyone he is matched up against.


So I will finish my comments off with some of the REAL experts opinions on Rockys Strengh and Power.



Joe Louis

"It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."

"The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."



Jersey Joe Walcott


"Joe could take you out with combinations...Marciano was a one-punch artist. He threw every punch like you throw a baseball, as hard as he could. I have to say, with all respect to Joe, Marciano hit harder."



Ezzard Charles


"Rocky numbs you all over. Wherever he hits you, he hurts you; on the arms, the shoulders, the neck and the head."



Archie Moore


"After a fight with Marciano, it felt like you had been beat all over the upper body with a blackjack or hit with rocks."


"He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves."



And Here is One Last Quote From Muhammad Ali

When asked who out of ALL the Great heavyweight champions, Who would give him the most trouble, Ali Replied "Rocky Marciano"

You are a delusional moron, this isnt a past prime Walcott or Charles Rocky would have to deal with here, it's Holyfield, a man who is superior to him in almost every department. If Holyfield can clinch and muscle around Tyosn, he can do it to Rocky.

Learn about a fighter besides Rocky

Some good arguments/opinions coming through.. Get the impression, I should of said the Rock who fought Bowe or Quawi, but I wanted to use the example of a powerful bonafied heavy, under 6 ft tall.. I wouldn't say the Holy who fought Bowe wasn't any better than the one that fought Tyson, but that's down to opinion I suppose..
I'd see it like this.. Real close... A 12 rounder would favor Holy as a 15 would favor Rock, but after doing my studies, can envisage a UD & SD respectively in Holys favour.. My reason being is, if anything, Holy is the only man in history to be a tadge more game than the Rock.. This is a man who was told he had a heart murmor in 1993.. So what does he do? Kicks Mike Tysons arse twice, goes to hell & back with LL, & wins back the HW title another 2 times, with little chance of retirement b4 his 50th birthday, & to be fair, I'd say he's still top 15 as we stand..
In Rocks case, I feel he faced mainly inferior competition, & got out early with back problems.. This isn't a criticism, just an indication of Holy's lunatic desire, & unbreakable will.. Jeez, he's over 45, & arguably, just outboxed the biggest man (oaf) in history..
With respect to Rocky, Holyfield's had more wars with more champions, thus achieving more glory.. But, no one can argue wth 49-0, and I'd be inclined to give a DC to Rocky, had this fight happened at cruiser... And I think, had they're been modern trainers & dieticions back in the day, things would favor the Rock quite considerably, but unfortunately, these techniques were unheard of then..

Some good arguments/opinions coming through.. Get the impression, I should of said the Rock who fought Bowe or Quawi, but I wanted to use the example of a powerful bonafied heavy, under 6 ft tall.. I wouldn't say the Holy who fought Bowe wasn't any better than the one that fought Tyson, but that's down to opinion I suppose..
I'd see it like this.. Real close... A 12 rounder would favor Holy as a 15 would favor Rock, but after doing my studies, can envisage a UD & SD respectively in Holys favour.. My reason being is, if anything, Holy is the only man in history to be a tadge more game than the Rock.. This is a man who was told he had a heart murmor in 1993.. So what does he do? Kicks Mike Tysons arse twice, goes to hell & back with LL, & wins back the HW title another 2 times, with little chance of retirement b4 his 50th birthday, & to be fair, I'd say he's still top 15 as we stand..
In Rocks case, I feel he faced mainly inferior competition, & got out early with back problems.. This isn't a criticism, just an indication of Holy's lunatic desire, & unbreakable will.. Jeez, he's over 45, & arguably, just outboxed the biggest man (oaf) in history..
With respect to Rocky, Holyfield's had more wars with more champions, thus achieving more glory.. But, no one can argue wth 49-0, and I'd be inclined to give a DC to Rocky, had this fight happened at cruiser... And I think, had they're been modern trainers & dieticions back in the day, things would favor the Rock quite considerably, but unfortunately, these techniques were unheard of then..

You are a delusional moron, this isnt a past prime Walcott or Charles Rocky would have to deal with here, it's Holyfield, a man who is superior to him in almost every department. If Holyfield can clinch and muscle around Tyosn, he can do it to Rocky.

Learn about a fighter besides Rocky


Im a dilusional Moron Because i do not agree with you???
You obviously have afew issue's , Forums are for discussion, and when you go ahead and insult a person for no reason you either 1 ,have a few loose screws ,2 Cant handle that Your wrong or 3 you have limited Knowledge. and for you to suggest Holy would Trade with Rocky then clinch really tells me its choice No3, Because Trade and clinch is the worst thing you can do to beat Rocky.


When i first saw you on this Forum i respected you and your opinions, But this useless attack on me because I dont agree with you has changed my view on you. Anyway i said i wouldnt post on this thread no more so ill just leave it as that.

Serisouly now a past prime old age louis would take evander to the end and probably win on points.

Just because rocky was oh so akward dosent mean he didnt have skills it was that awkwardness that was his skill its what allowed him to throw punches that seems to be off balance and stiill take peoples head off punches that you would never think existed logically at angles that you would think were impossiable. just skills the likes of which holyfeild never saw skills holyfield would laugh at till 2 mins in the ring.

Rocky was a late started not sure if he just needed to get warmed up or because the other guys got tired by the 3 round when rocky was still the same but by the 5th round rocky would start to turn the fight around with crowding such that evander wouldnt be able to get a hold of him any more in Clinches as well as being unable to pressure rocky backwards from the 5th on, the fight will change in rockys favor im saying 8th or 9th round ko in rockys favor evander will probaly get rocky with a jab that rocky was expecting, rocky comfortable takes the jab to get on the inside pops back up swinging over hand right into a left upperish punch and evander drops like an anchor.

Im a dilusional Moron Because i do not agree with you???
You obviously have afew issue's , Forums are for discussion, and when you go ahead and insult a person for no reason you either 1 ,have a few loose screws ,2 Cant handle that Your wrong or 3 you have limited Knowledge. and for you to suggest Holy would Trade with Rocky then clinch really tells me its choice No3, Because Trade and clinch is the worst thing you can do to beat Rocky.


When i first saw you on this Forum i respected you and your opinions, But this useless attack on me because I dont agree with you has changed my view on you. Anyway i said i wouldnt post on this thread no more so ill just leave it as that.
Roost.... You're welcome on my threads any time.. You're like me... I get the hump when someone calls me something to.. Best thing's , have a couple of JD's, & come back with some humor.. That's what I do, honest!.... Works every time mate!....Trust... Bit of a wanker at training the next day though...lol

Roost.... You're welcome on my threads any time.. You're like me... I get the hump when someone calls me something to.. Best thing's , have a couple of JD's, & come back with some humor.. That's what I do, honest!.... Works every time mate!....Trust... Bit of a wanker at training the next day though...lol



Yeah its cool Mate. Just wasnt in the mood.

Thanks :boxing:

I strongly fancy Marciano for this one as much respect as I have for Holyfield.
Both prodigous trainers as has been mentioned I do not think any fighter trained as hard as Marciano. Just can't see that Holyfield could put Marciano away early and with the fight going to the later rounds I can't see beyond Marciano. Should Holyfield try some of his more "creative" moves he would be doing them against a fighter who would thrive and return in spades. Rocky somewhere in and around rounds 8 to 10 would be my call.
Nice fight though.

I'm gonna have to say Marciano. Holyfield's one of my favorites, but I don't think he could take Marciano. Neither of them are quitters so I see it going into the late rounds with Marciano taking it by KO.

You are a delusional moron, this isnt a past prime Walcott or Charles Rocky would have to deal with here, it's Holyfield, a man who is superior to him in almost every department. If Holyfield can clinch and muscle around Tyosn, he can do it to Rocky.

Learn about a fighter besides Rocky

Im a dilusional Moron Because i do not agree with you???
You obviously have afew issue's , Forums are for discussion, and when you go ahead and insult a person for no reason you either 1 ,have a few loose screws ,2 Cant handle that Your wrong or 3 you have limited Knowledge. and for you to suggest Holy would Trade with Rocky then clinch really tells me its choice No3, Because Trade and clinch is the worst thing you can do to beat Rocky.


When i first saw you on this Forum i respected you and your opinions, But this useless attack on me because I dont agree with you has changed my view on you. Anyway i said i wouldnt post on this thread no more so ill just leave it as that.

Okay, I'm going to step in here because I like both of you and you both are routinely good posters. Let's not be like NSB: We're all adults here and it's not like we're dealing with NSB trolls slipping in and mucking up our threads. I'm not deducting any points just cautioning to keep 'em up.

BTW, I favor Holyfield SLIGHTLY by decision figuring both have high work rates, both can take big shots, and both are in great condition.....the difference being Holyfield is the more accurate puncher which to me makes him a SLIGHT favorite in a fight that could go either way.

Poet

Ah look,Old malone and his silly little dream match ups.Now in most dream matches you take two fighters of their prime but now old malone oh no

let's take a beaten up past his prime holyfield who beat a unmotivated past his prime tyson and match him up against a prime Rocky Marciano who took out a washed up joe louis

well considering Marciano is in todays standards thought of a modern day cruiserweight(light-heavyeight cutting weight) how about Marciano vs Evander holyfield of cruiserweight fame or does such a matchup worry you malone? are those bully boy posters still lurking around here? keep those cheeks closed now fella

Im a dilusional Moron.

Completely agree

Either way rocky wins in fact vs someone his own size its a round 4-5 ko

and congrats on figuring out how html works man pooper....

Ah look,Old malone and his silly little dream match ups.Now in most dream matches you take two fighters of their prime but now old malone oh no

let's take a beaten up past his prime holyfield who beat a unmotivated past his prime tyson and match him up against a prime Rocky Marciano who took out a washed up joe louis

well considering Marciano is in todays standards thought of a modern day cruiserweight(light-heavyeight cutting weight) how about Marciano vs Evander holyfield of cruiserweight fame or does such a matchup worry you malone? are those bully boy posters still lurking around here? keep those cheeks closed now fella



Completely agree
What's up?... Did the nasty nurse at the shrinks fasten your cycling hat a bit too tight?

What's up?... Did the nasty nurse at the shrinks fasten your cycling hat a bit too tight?

princemanspoper is obviously Slimey Limey's alt. Notice the same language usage and syntax :boxing:

Poet

Well thats a suprise

Walcott was a defensive counterpuncher, why would you compare him to Holyfield. Holyfield counterpunched and boxed sometimes but often prefered to trade.

Rocky is NOT stronger than Evander. Evander was as strong as a bull, he outmuscled Tyson FFS. Rocky hasnt fought a guy like Evander, Evander is too strong and too good a boxer. Evander has taken it to much bigger and stronger guys than that. Charles and the Joes were great fighters but past it when Rocky fought them.

Evander tired when he fought Foreman because he had to work non stop for 12 rounds against a 250lb guy that can smoke your ass with an arm punch! What tired Evander was the constant moving and changing direction vs george, against a guy like Rocky who wades in, Holy can trade and clinch all night long. Rocky was strong and game, but Evander is too strong and too good.

Believe me, fighting on the back foot against a big guy who is pressuring you non stop is way, WAY harder than banging with someone you think you can overpower.

Really? Trade and clinch all night long?? You obviously don't know Marciano, No way in hell will Evander be able to Trade then clinch with Rocky, NO ONE in Rockys whole Career could slow down Rocky , The fact is when Evander was in a tough fight He Brawled, if he Brawls Rocky, he will come off Second Best.


Anyway, we can debate back and forth and we wont get anywhere. Its really amusing to me that The ONLY undefeated HW champion of ALL TIME, seems to have little to no chance against anyone he is matched up against.


So I will finish my comments off with some of the REAL experts opinions on Rockys Strengh and Power.



Joe Louis

"It hurt to bump into him....He hits harder than Max Schmeling...this kid is tough enough to beat anyone."

"The Rock didn't know too much about the boxing book, but it wasn't a book he hit me with. It was a whole library of bone crushers."



Jersey Joe Walcott


"Joe could take you out with combinations...Marciano was a one-punch artist. He threw every punch like you throw a baseball, as hard as he could. I have to say, with all respect to Joe, Marciano hit harder."



Ezzard Charles


"Rocky numbs you all over. Wherever he hits you, he hurts you; on the arms, the shoulders, the neck and the head."



Archie Moore


"After a fight with Marciano, it felt like you had been beat all over the upper body with a blackjack or hit with rocks."


"He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves."



And Here is One Last Quote From Muhammad Ali

When asked who out of ALL the Great heavyweight champions, Who would give him the most trouble, Ali Replied "Rocky Marciano"

this post looks all fine and dandy untill you break it down, you did some careful picking and choosing.

Ali said Rocky would give him the most trouble soon after the Rocks death. that pretty much says it all. He also said he'd woop on Marciano.

Archie Moore "He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves."

Yea he said that, but in that same paragraph I believe he had just finished saying Marciano was not the hardest puncher he had faced, and that it was more so his stamina.

Moore also said Patterson hit harder than Marciano.

Louis was old as hell and on a comeback....

Believe me, fighting on the back foot against a big guy who is pressuring you non stop is way, WAY harder than banging with someone you think you can overpower.

didnt know you boxed, you any good?

didnt know you boxed, you any good?

boxed about 2 years, left hand orthodox

boxed about 2 years, left hand orthodox

so dont you box no more then? how many fights did you have?

so dont you box no more then? how many fights did you have?

still box, i just started training for competition this year though, I started boxing and didn't plan on competing untill I started doing really well in sparring.

I've always been a boxing fan though because of my father and because I look at it as an art. I have an Artistic background..

I don't really know where boxing is taking me i just like it so much.

still box, i just started training for competition this year though, I started boxing and didn't plan on competing untill I started doing really well in sparring.

I've always been a boxing fan though because of my father and because I look at it as an art. I have an Artistic background..

I don't really know where boxing is taking me i just like it so much.

fair enough man. so when are you having your first fight then, and would you like to make a career out of it?

fair enough man. so when are you having your first fight then, and would you like to make a career out of it?

no Idea when i'll be fighting. I don't know what i'll be doing for a Career yet either. I had a construction job but I quit it for various reasons (one being i had no life doing 10 hours a day). I'm 19 as you can see, not too old - really don't know whats up ahead for me.

princemanspoper is obviously Slimey Limey's alt. Notice the same language usage and syntax :boxing:

Poet
Never had any doubts about that one.. Either/Or always come on at the same time to.. Probably in conjunction with their menstral cycles..

Probably in conjunction with their menstral cycles..

:haha: :rofl:

no Idea when i'll be fighting. I don't know what i'll be doing for a Career yet either. I had a construction job but I quit it for various reasons (one being i had no life doing 10 hours a day). I'm 19 as you can see, not too old - really don't know whats up ahead for me.

yeah man dont worry about age, my man glen johnson never started boxing untill he was 20 years of age. wow, 10 hour days, thats long hours. so are you in a boxing gym as we speak and what do you do for work then now?

Ah look,Old malone and his silly little dream match ups.Now in most dream matches you take two fighters of their prime but now old malone oh no

let's take a beaten up past his prime holyfield who beat a unmotivated past his prime tyson and match him up against a prime Rocky Marciano who took out a washed up joe louis

well considering Marciano is in todays standards thought of a modern day cruiserweight(light-heavyeight cutting weight) how about Marciano vs Evander holyfield of cruiserweight fame or does such a matchup worry you malone? are those bully boy posters still lurking around here? keep those cheeks closed now fella



Completely agree

oh great....

Okay, I'm going to step in here because I like both of you and you both are routinely good posters. Let's not be like NSB: We're all adults here and it's not like we're dealing with NSB trolls slipping in and mucking up our threads. I'm not deducting any points just cautioning to keep 'em up.

BTW, I favor Holyfield SLIGHTLY by decision figuring both have high work rates, both can take big shots, and both are in great condition.....the difference being Holyfield is the more accurate puncher which to me makes him a SLIGHT favorite in a fight that could go either way.

Poet

very well then, I probably was too forceful

you're right we shouldnt make this place like NSB

Never had any doubts about that one.. Either/Or always come on at the same time to.. Probably in conjunction with their menstral cycles..

Now I would have responded to Poet for his original accusation toward me but the creepy pedophile blocked me so I shall deal with you Malone

where's your proof that I am indeed an alt? do you have any proof? any kind of source to validate your wild and ridiculous accusations?

Now I would have responded to Poet for his original accusation toward me but the creepy pedophile blocked me so I shall deal with you Malone

where's your proof that I am indeed an alt? do you have any proof? any kind of source to validate your wild and ridiculous accusations?

lol you have to be the most verbally aggressive poster I've seen in a while.

Now I would have responded to Poet for his original accusation toward me but the creepy pedophile blocked me so I shall deal with you Malone

where's your proof that I am indeed an alt? do you have any proof? any kind of source to validate your wild and ridiculous accusations?
You're Slimey Limey in disguise.. Everyone knows that..
That's why your so familiar with everyone, even though you've only just joined..
I won't be blocking either of you.. I think you're really funny.. No seriously, I do.. You could be on stage with a routine like that..
Alts are never on line at the same time either.. Funny that!...

You're Slimey Limey in disguise.. Everyone knows that..
That's why your so familiar with everyone, even though you've only just joined..
I won't be blocking either of you.. I think you're really funny.. No seriously, I do.. You could be on stage with a routine like that..
Alts are never on line at the same time either.. Funny that!...

And yet you once again throw out the accusation without offering any proof or even the slightest of evidence that I am indeed an alt

believe it or not Malone I have read these forums for a long while and have had an account on this forum long before this one

I delayed creating another account here for a while but the bull**** that was being posted here forced me to take action

i agree completely

hoyfield was one tough mo fo

so was marciano but there was a differnce in size surely

ali would beat them both

lol you have to be the most verbally aggressive poster I've seen in a while.
apart from..............:)

And yet you once again throw out the accusation without offering any proof or even the slightest of evidence that I am indeed an alt

believe it or not Malone I have read these forums for a long while and have had an account on this forum long before this one

I delayed creating another account here for a while but the bull**** that was being posted here forced me to take action
Don't think he doubts you had an account before this one :)

apart from..............:)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

is he referring to me or did i miss a good joke?:baby:lol

is he referring to me or did i miss a good joke?:baby:lol

No, I believe he was referring to our resident Sith Lord.....me :rofl:

Poet

No, I believe he was referring to our resident Sith Lord.....me :rofl:

Poet
:) Must say I haven't seen any of those special Poet forums for awhile or indeed any on Tunney hopefully things calming down a little. Lots of new but familiar faces though appearing, I do wonder if there are only actually 10 people on here lol

And yet you once again throw out the accusation without offering any proof or even the slightest of evidence that I am indeed an alt

believe it or not Malone I have read these forums for a long while and have had an account on this forum long before this one

I delayed creating another account here for a while but the bull**** that was being posted here forced me to take action
It's my thread, & If I want to call someone an alt, I will.. If you don't like it, I'm sure as a respected member, you can make a thread, explaining exactly what you are.. For example: 'Policemancopper, the fvcking cunt', would be a novel way of putting it..

I can see scenerios with both guys winning, but I would lean toward Marciano on this one. Evander could be dragged into a slugfest, and that could very well be his undoing. If Bert Cooper had any kind of stamina or dicipline we might have seen a huge upset. I think this is the type of fight we'd get from Rock and Holy. Difference being Marciano's stamina and toughness. On the flip side, Rocky could be cut and that may turn of to be a deciding factor also.

Could he have? Sure. If he manages to lure Holyfield into a brawl but I think Holyfield would have beaten him, those little turn moves that he had after throwing his combinations would've given Marciano fits.

I can see scenerios with both guys winning, but I would lean toward Marciano on this one. Evander could be dragged into a slugfest, and that could very well be his undoing. If Bert Cooper had any kind of stamina or dicipline we might have seen a huge upset. I think this is the type of fight we'd get from Rock and Holy. Difference being Marciano's stamina and toughness. On the flip side, Rocky could be cut and that may turn of to be a deciding factor also.
Good point about Cooper.. Holy skated on thin ice in that one.. Can't remember the round (3rd or 4th?) Cooper almost having him out on his feet, but couldn't quite finish the job.. Also Cooper WAS a bit gassey.. Cooper was a big puncher though, & I think would'a given Rock similar problems for a short while to.. Well worth mentioning though..

It's my thread, & If I want to call someone an alt, I will.. If you don't like it, I'm sure as a respected member, you can make a thread, explaining exactly what you are.. For example: 'Policemancopper, the fvcking cunt', would be a novel way of putting it..

My thread wah wah wah wah,can someone call this little crybaby a WAAAAAAAHmbulance please?

get over it,I don't need to explain myself to you,ya rat fink bum.I'm not the one throwing out accusations here like you

offer some proof that I am indeed an alt,your fighting a losing battle malone,keep those cheeks closed fella there's always a bully boy poster around the corner

My thread wah wah wah wah,can someone call this little crybaby a WAAAAAAAHmbulance please?

get over it,I don't need to explain myself to you,ya rat fink bum.I'm not the one throwing out accusations here like you

offer some proof that I am indeed an alt,your fighting a losing battle malone,keep those cheeks closed fella there's always a bully boy poster around the corner
Got something about cheeks & bums, haven't you Slimey ? That's why the word BUM is used in all of you & your rent boy alts posts isn't it?

It could be the, You polish mine, & I'll polish yours show..

Marciano behind on points KO's Holly in the 14th round of a great fight.

Marciano behind on points KO's Holly in the 14th round of a great fight.
Shamelessly stolen from Walcott Marciano with a round popped on LOL but probably not far off

Got something about cheeks & bums, haven't you Slimey ? That's why the word BUM is used in all of you & your rent boy alts posts isn't it?

It could be the, You polish mine, & I'll polish yours show..
It's never slimey is it? You have seen through his elaborate disguise, pesky kids