Looking at videos of him he does 'arm' shots, yet they look devistating, how did he cause such horrific K.O power?

It's called being gifted, and he didn't just use arm punches, he used his hips also. Plus look at his pivots.

Yeah he pratically is jumping behind each of those shots

Quick twitch... All the big hitters have it..

Robinson's left hook, which was only slightly better than his right cross, wasnt no ordinary left hook- it was versatile. It could be wide, or run five inches. It could come as a leador after a right hand, or after a hook to the body or after a jab. Either way Robinson didnt throw the hook to set up other punchers or to keep you off him. He threw it to knock you out.

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robinson himself said he wasnt a big puncher, he just threw fast, accurate punches.

robinson himself said he wasnt a big puncher, he just threw fast, accurate punches.
Robinson was a fighter who's body was just made for boxing his physic was one that could be trained into shape easy but when he full camp don't think at that time you would find well better proportioned athlete he was muscel from should to his feet just have to accept he just used simple boxing knowledge but he had awesome leverage its all done to his natural ability a long the his athletic physic & carrying out simple boxing skills but had bad inteentions in his punches just look at the mans muscles on his legs that's where a punch comes from as shown Fullmer & graziano awesome

Great stuff from 16BF.. See the way Grazziano tries desperately to bring his legs back to life.. Chilling...

Coordination of movement.

Robinson's left hook, which was only slightly better than his right cross, wasnt no ordinary left hook- it was versatile. It could be wide, or run five inches. It could come as a leador after a right hand, or after a hook to the body or after a jab. Either way Robinson didnt throw the hook to set up other punchers or to keep you off him. He threw it to knock you out.

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Thanks for posting those vids man great i just added them to my favs

he had good genetics.

Robinson's forte was hitting you with accurate blind punches from unorthodox angles (especially blindsiding the opponent with that double/triple left hook from the waist). Robinson himself claimed he was not a big puncher.

Great stuff from 16BF.. See the way Grazziano tries desperately to bring his legs back to life.. Chilling...

Thanks for posting those vids man great i just added them to my favs

No problem guys.......;)

Ray had ridiculous speed and this combined with his accuracy + the angles at which he threw his punches made him a feared puncher, you couldnt see his shots coming

Robinson's forte was hitting you with accurate blind punches from unorthodox angles (especially blindsiding the opponent with that double/triple left hook from the waist). Robinson himself claimed he was not a big puncher.

I think you answered my question pretty well, thanks :blowjob:

It's called being gifted, and he didn't just use arm punches, he used his hips also. Plus look at his pivots.

yes thats right

Looking at videos of him he does 'arm' shots, yet they look devistating, how did he cause such horrific K.O power?

he had incredible control over his muscles. Barrera and Roy Jones throw the same kind of punches, they wip them in a relaxed state.

It takes years of practice and good genetic make up. A lot of people are to stiff to be capable of doing that. Aka look at the UFC.

Robinson's left hook, which was only slightly better than his right cross, wasnt no ordinary left hook- it was versatile. It could be wide, or run five inches. It could come as a leador after a right hand, or after a hook to the body or after a jab. Either way Robinson didnt throw the hook to set up other punchers or to keep you off him. He threw it to knock you out.

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The speed of that left hook phenomenal.

It was the magic of Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest.

Kinetic Linking.
Salty Gay Robinson, if you look at his KO of Fullmer, the force begins right from his feet upwards trough all his joints, then finally on the lads chin.

by avoiding any good black fighter with a pulse

by avoiding any good black fighter with a pulse

I'm presuming you mean Burley, as that's the only possible name you could mention. He fought Gavilan, Turpin, etc.

I'm presuming you mean Burley, as that's the only possible name you could mention. He fought Gavilan, Turpin, etc.

Holman Williams,Cocoa Kid,Jack Chase,Lloyd Marshall,Rory Calhoun,Spider Webb,Archie Moore

Holman Williams,Cocoa Kid,Jack Chase,Lloyd Marshall,Rory Calhoun,Spider Webb,Archie Moore

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Cocoa Kid a welterweight contender in the early 1940's ranked below Jackie Wilson who beat him (and whom Robinson defeated twice). By 1943 he fought as a middleweight.

Jack Chase a middleweight for much of the 1940's until campaigning as a light heavy from 1945 onwards.

Charley Burley vs Ray Robinson could have been made but it wouldn't have done Robinson's welterweight campaign any good, since Burley left the welterweight division by 1941 (when Robinson was 19 years of age).

Archie Moore was a middleweight/light heavy. The only point in time this fight could have happened was in the late 1950's when both were old men. Robinson was more interested in a match-up with Floyd Patterson, the heavyweight champion.

Lloyd Marshall was another middleweight/light heavy. Tough to accuse a man of ducking a fighter who fought a division or two above his.

Eddie Booker yet another middleweight/light heavy whose career came to a sudden end in 1944.

Rory Calhoun the fringe middleweight contender in the late 1950's?

Webb was good but he couldn't beat Gene Fullmer in two attempts.

Robinson always beat his top ranked challenger whatever the colour of his skin.

Henry Armstrong was the number 1 welterweight contender before Robinson beat him.
Jackie Wilson was top 3.
Tommy Bell was number 1.
Bernard Docusen was top 3.
George Costner was top 2.
Kid Gavilan was number 1.

by avoiding any good black fighter with a pulse

You're racializing Black with African American aren't you?

Also, you seem to not think much of Joe Frazier, yet you keep using him as an avatar...

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You're the very worst type of boxing fan.You know of it's history yet only choose to recognize it when it suits you and your arguments best.I saw your post and it's similar to the ones you have made in the past,Several of those men were perfectly capable of making 147 hell robinson had no problem fighting middleweight's it seems yet had no trouble avoiding these great black fighters

You're racializing Black with African American aren't you?

Go away,dunce

You're the very worst type of boxing fan.You know of it's history yet only choose to recognize it when it suits you and your arguments best.I saw your post and it's similar to the ones you have made in the past,Several of those men were perfectly capable of making 147 hell robinson had no problem fighting middleweight's it seems yet had no trouble avoiding these great black fighters

Ray didn't fight them because it didn't make much sense, financially or rankings-wise. Point out a single top rated contender of any colour that Robinson didn't fight in the weight division he campaigned at (and I'm not talking about fringe contenders like Calhoun).

It's ignorant to blame Robinson for ducking career middleweights/light heavyweights when he himself was a welterweight. When he did fight middleweights in the 1940's, he fought top ranked men like Jake LaMotta, Jose Basora and Georgie Abrams.

At welterweight he fought top ranked black contenders (since it seems to be so important to you) California Jackie Wilson, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, George Costner, Tommy Bell. All of them were rated top 3 in the division.

He only made a serious campaign as a middleweight in 1950, when the likes of Chase, Marshall and Booker were long retired. Again, he fights the only top ranked black contenders Randy Turpin and Ray Barnes. He also fought Robert Villemain, Jose Basora, Bobo Olson, Jake LaMotta, Holley Mims and Rocky Graziano.

During his comeback, he was seriously considering a fight with Floyd Patterson, but Cus D'Amato turned it down.

Here's what Charley Burley had to say about the whole thing:

"Ray ducked me. George Gainford (Ray's manager) admitted that much. But, I can't say I blame him. There wasn't no money in us fighting each other. All we would have done is knock each other off."

"You know, to me the most remarkable thing about Ray's career is that he didn't even get a shot at the welterweight title til he was 26- or the middleweight title til' he was 30! You think he was the greatest? What do you think he'd a been if he'd gotten his chances when he deserved them? You wanna know the truth? If I coulda' got my shot, I wouldn't have risked it fighting someone like Ray."