This is a very interesting match up. Marciano would be giving away 7 inches in height and around 60 pounds in weight. would wlad just be to big for marciano, who would be a cruiserweight in boxing today. marcainio never fought a heavyweight as big as wlad either

or could the rock ko wlad. i think i may edge toward wlad, due to the huge size difference, and the wlad today dosent really get hit much either.

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The Rock had the power to KO Wlad. I just dont think he'd manage to land all night.

Rocky would be like no one Klits has ever fought. I go with Rocky

Quite right Bad boy, the Klits would have never fought a 5ft 11 guy weighing 185 lbs. No commission would allow it, comedic viewing. It would look like Ricky Hatton facing Bernard Hopkins!

Rocky would have to jump nearly a foot off the ground to even come close to having one of his punches hit Wlad's chin. Basic physics, I forget how short Marciano's reach was (I think 68 inches from memory) that would have to get past an 82 odd inch jab and then find a chin 8 inches higher than Rocky's own.............higher still because Rocky fought from out of a crouch).

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Obviously Marciano has the power to stop Wladimir, but I just think he gets nailed from the outside for several rounds before having to call it quits.

so let me get this straight people think rocky loses to wlad yet i remember another post somewhere people thought james toney would beat wlad surely rocky would to then.

I don't think Rocky's going to land many shots with his 67" reach.

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Obviously Marciano has the power to stop Wladimir, but I just think he gets nailed from the outside for several rounds before having to call it quits.

marcaino would NEVER quit, that just aint happening FACT

I cannot imagine Marciano having a chance in this fight, yes he had amazing ATG power but Wlad is ginormous and can box. Marciano would never hit him.

........Height and Reach. Both important factors in a fight, But i dont like counting out a shorter man, History has proven to us so many times that Smaller Men can beat a bigger man.



Do i think Rocky would beat Klitschko? Yes. Rocky would be hard to hit (More So if you are taller) Because he crouches so low down he is damn hard to hit from up high, Everyone is talking about reach....Well what if Rocky got in tight and landed bombs to the body? a few Suzie Qs to the Body of Klitschko would do alot of damage, No one is talking Body here, its all "He needs to jump up" thats a laugh. People like David Tua should just Retire then.... Lets make this a 15 round fight. Let Rocky take him to the deep end and drown him, Klitschko has lost all his fights by KO and if he fought Rocco it would be his 4th.



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In Marciano's 49 fights he only fought 1 man who was 6+ ft and 200+ lbs simultaneously. That man was a washed up Joe Louis. Against a prime Wlad, he'd be totally out of his element.

See Tua vs Lewis for a better reference on how this fight would play out.

See Tua vs Lewis for a better reference on how this fight would play out.

I disagree.... Tua doesnt fight anything like Rocky, Tua in that fight was disapointing, he didnt do much, He was looking for 1 punch the whole night.



Rocky would be throwing 100 PLUS punches per round. All with KO written all over it.


this would be nothing like Tua Vs Lewis IMO.



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I disagree.... Tua doesnt fight anything like Rocky, Tua in that fight was disapointing, he didnt do much, He was looking for 1 punch the whole night.



Rocky would be throwing 100 PLUS punches per round. All with KO written all over it.


this would be nothing like Tua Vs Lewis IMO.



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You need to put more into your case for Marciano if you want to convince anybody that he has a shot at beating Wlad.

Tua vs. Lewis: Agree; that wasn't the same Tua that fought Ibeabuchi. I don't think Tua was ever the same after that fight. His career after that fight went up and down in performance just like his weight. Shame, but that happens in boxing...especially when you get two young, strong, powerful, great chin HWs in there that want to go to war.
Now would it have mattered if that version of Tua had showed up against Lewis? Not sure. I would still favor Lewis because of what he could do but I don't think it would have been as lopsided.
Before you or anyone asks, I would also favor Lewis over Marciano.


What some have touched on is; what do we have from Marciano that indicates he could deal with the 6'5, 240 pound HW, who is strong, has decent agility, faster than Marciano, has a strong jab, powerful right, quick left-hook that can come right behind the jab....can clinch up...move away and jab...etc?
Chin, endurance (if he can't control the fight and seems to buckle sometimes under heavy pressure), lack of inside fighting...are the negatives for Wlad.

That's where you have to start pointing what Rocky could do.

Now size isn't everything, we've seen this before. But, you have to be able to beat the size disadvantage with your own abilities.

Now Marciano has great stamina, can throw a ton of punches, and can crouch low which can force a taller fighter to dip towards him leaving that fighter exposed, but it isn't quite clear cut...especially guys like Wlad who can fight behind a powerful jab and just stick it out there. Is Marciano elusive enough and/or capable of making up the room quick enough to get under that jab?

Dempsey and Tyson were two of the best at fighting Taller fighters although both their competition can be questioned...specifically Dempsey's who were more slow lumbering HWs.

Here is a quick example of how a short fighter can fight a tall fighter of 6'5 in height...however the weight difference isn't the same since Wlad is heavier.


Notice how Tyson kills the body with quick powerful combination to bring down the head as well as maneuvering his body into position to unleash his combinations and bombs:

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However, not sure Ribalta fought as "Tall" as he could have but some of that was due to Tyson's body attack making Ribalta concerned with protecting his mid-section.

We could use the Tyson vs. Tucker fight where Tyson managed to out-jab the much taller fighter who has speed and agility of his own...but Marciano doesn't have that ability so we would just have to stick with the fight above to see if Marciano had that capability to attack the body. This would take us to the Brewster fight where I do think Brewster hurt Wlad to the body since we saw Wlad start to tire quicker; which was also partially due to Wlad's punch-out-put and Brewster’s ability to soak the punishment up for that fight.

And Sam Peter also gave him trouble in their first meeting but Sam is also a lot bigger in thickness than Rocky.

I say marciano weather he was aiming for the head or body he would have had no problem getting under the jabs and avoiding anything serious for quite some time. as for the head or the body i dont think it really matters given that he was able to throw really wound up rights but more importantly knew when he could get away with them. I think he would get wlads timing figured out and really have no problem throwing lunging rights at wlads head and escaping clean. i can see one of those taking wlad down 3rd round. though just as likely is wlad to take marciano down not quite 3rd but 6 or 7

on the other hand if rocky goes for body at first i can see it either going the distance with a close call for either maybe wlad or but more likely ko by marciano some time after round 8.

either way i say a lunging right gonna make the tree go timber

and the lunging is going to help him close the gap and get inside more quickly

Rocky has a chance with his punch but i just cant see him winning, Wlad by late TKO

yeah size is a big factor in thinking its possiable.

i would go 100% on marciano if he had the same proportions at 6'2"

Thats more like it! I agree with you there Ylem. A 6ft 2 Marciano with corresponding increases in reach and weight has a real chance.

It is possible for Rocky to win.. But I must admit.. Highly unlikely.. Rock would have to go solely for the body, hoping to crack a rib or 2, for the head to come down, but Wlad has good footwork and an excellent jab.. Rock wouldn't give up, & I don't see Wlad stopping him either.. What I do see, is Rock on the losing end of a lopsided DC..

Quite right Bad boy, the Klits would have never fought a 5ft 11 guy weighing 185 lbs. No commission would allow it, comedic viewing. It would look like Ricky Hatton facing Bernard Hopkins!

Rocky would have to jump nearly a foot off the ground to even come close to having one of his punches hit Wlad's chin. Basic physics, I forget how short Marciano's reach was (I think 68 inches from memory) that would have to get past an 82 odd inch jab and then find a chin 8 inches higher than Rocky's own.............higher still because Rocky fought from out of a crouch).

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about same height and reach difference as Valuev vs Ol`Holyfield

I disagree.... Tua doesnt fight anything like Rocky, Tua in that fight was disapointing, he didnt do much, He was looking for 1 punch the whole night.



Rocky would be throwing 100 PLUS punches per round. All with KO written all over it.


this would be nothing like Tua Vs Lewis IMO.



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I love the Rock, but this would be nullified by Wlads long jab and cautious style.

Sonnybox said:

'about same height and reach difference as Valuev vs Ol`Holyfield'

Yes something like that. Klitschko is a fast, mobile guy with knockout power compared to Valuev who.........isn't. Holyfield at 6ft 3 isn't too short and his height difference isn't exacerbated by a crouching style like dear Rocky.

I'm a big fan of the Rock, I think he'd blitz through today's cruiserweight division and possibly add many of the smaller heavyweights scalps. But I'd struggle to bet on him to beat any of todays world class big guys.

Sonnybox said:

'about same height and reach difference as Valuev vs Ol`Holyfield'

Yes something like that. Klitschko is a fast, mobile guy with knockout power compared to Valuev who.........isn't. Holyfield at 6ft 3 isn't too short and his height difference isn't exacerbated by a crouching style like dear Rocky.

I'm a big fan of the Rock, I think he'd blitz through today's cruiserweight division and possibly add many of the smaller heavyweights scalps. But I'd struggle to bet on him to beat any of todays world class big guys.

That's the crux of it. Obviously in this match-up Rocky is the legend with all the Hall of Famers on his record, but fight results are dictated by styles, circumstances and individual strengths and weaknesses, not who is the more legendary. No guy Rocky's size has dominated the heavyweight division for over 50 years, and there's a reason for that. That Rocky has no history of beating quality big men hardly helps his chances, either.

I'd expect Rocky to give it all he has, but I think he's overmatched in this one. Wlad by TKO.

Yes thats true McCoy. If guys weighing under 190Lbs and shorter than 5 ft 11could beat today's heavyweights, you'd have thought that one.......just one would have managed it since the mid 50s.

The closest is Tyson, who lets face it was still a good size up on Rocky (218Lbs at his best and 5ft 11.5 inches of the most tallented, freakishly fast, elusive and powerful boxers this world has ever seen).

Yes thats true McCoy. If guys weighing under 190Lbs and shorter than 5 ft 11could beat today's heavyweights, you'd have thought that one.......just one would have managed it since the mid 50s.

The closest is Tyson, who lets face it was still a good size up on Rocky (218Lbs at his best and 5ft 11.5 inches of the most tallented, freakishly fast, elusive and powerful boxers this world has ever seen).
all the disadvantages in this fight are with Wlad, he would have to punch down, Rocky would bob-and-weave then punch up which is an advantage, and like said before, Rocky throws 100s of punches .... Rocky KO7

all the disadvantages in this fight are with Wlad, he would have to punch down, Rocky would bob-and-weave then punch up which is an advantage, and like said before, Rocky throws 100s of punches .... Rocky KO7
You see, In my view.... This is far more of an outrageous statement than Louis beating Liston.. I mean that's actually possible.. So is what you've just written, But, so so remote...

Nah your only thinking of the size diffrence and saying it shouldnt be possiable but in your heart you know rocky would take everything wlad had and systematically tear him apart.

I mean come on its not like boxing is mma where the bigger guy allways wins

It's not so much the physical advantages Wlad has, but the technical advatages also. He's a much better boxer than Rocky. He's not going to be stupid enough to let Rocky get any sort of attack mounted or get close at all. Some people on this thread are borderline retarded with their devotion to Rocky. He gets massacred in this fight. Past prime Charles and Walcott were giving him a handful, those guys waste him in their primes, and wlad does too. The jab is slammed into Rocky's face whenever he gets ready to try and leap in, the long uppercut is there for when he crouches, and Wlad uses his feet to make sure Rocky is always back to square one when it comes to getting in range.

Nah your only thinking of the size diffrence and saying it shouldnt be possiable but in your heart you know rocky would take everything wlad had and systematically tear him apart.

I mean come on its not like boxing is mma where the bigger guy allways wins

But like i said in my post, it's not just the size, Wlad leaves Rocky for dead in the technical department too.

Sonnybox said:

'all the disadvantages in this fight are with Wlad, he would have to punch down, Rocky would bob-and-weave then punch up which is an advantage, and like said before, Rocky throws 100s of punches .... Rocky KO7'

Wlad's jab was as effective as ever against Chagaev, who was a much shorter heavyweight.

Some folk have said Rocky throws over a hundred punches a round!.......Nope, he was busy but even Henry Armstrong struggled to beat 80or 90, and Rocky didn't get anything like that workrate against mobile boxers with good jabs like Walcott and Charles.

Oh and bobbing, weaving and punching up didn't give Frazier an advantage over Foreman. Only speedsters like Tyson can make real use of this and turn it into an advantage.

Nah your only thinking of the size diffrence and saying it shouldnt be possiable but in your heart you know rocky would take everything wlad had and systematically tear him apart.

I mean come on its not like boxing is mma where the bigger guy allways wins

Forgive me for being sceptical about Rocky Marciano, all 5'10" and 185lb of him, tearing apart a top notch fighter who is approximately 50lbs heavier, 8in taller and has a 14" reach advantage, especially when he has no history of beating such opposition. His best opponents were all smallish heavies, and they all went life and death with him. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason, and there's a good reason why no one Rocky's size has dominated the heavies since he was in his pomp.

I won't discount his chances entirely, I just make it very unlikely.

Yeah they have weight classes cuz the little guys kept beating up the bigger guys

rocky would be like what i dont even have to duck to avoid his jab

Sonnybox said:

'all the disadvantages in this fight are with Wlad, he would have to punch down, Rocky would bob-and-weave then punch up which is an advantage, and like said before, Rocky throws 100s of punches .... Rocky KO7'

Wlad's jab was as effective as ever against Chagaev, who was a much shorter heavyweight.

Some folk have said Rocky throws over a hundred punches a round!.......Nope, he was busy but even Henry Armstrong struggled to beat 80or 90, and Rocky didn't get anything like that workrate against mobile boxers with good jabs like Walcott and Charles.

Oh and bobbing, weaving and punching up didn't give Frazier an advantage over Foreman. Only speedsters like Tyson can make real use of this and turn it into an advantage.

You can also add in the fight against a Shot version of Joe Louis where Louis caused Rocky some trouble.

You can have the ability to throw 70+ punches around, but it doesn't mean you will be able to.

Yeah they have weight classes cuz the little guys kept beating up the bigger guys

rocky would be like what i dont even have to duck to avoid his jab


WRONG. They made weight-classes so that the little guys would have a place to fight.

Boxing in Ancient Greece however had only ONE weight Class. Now we have many.

Nobody prevents the little guys from fighting at HW. The HW crown is The Title to have. The rest have to use "P4P" and show their weight-class.

All i can picture is the height deferential. I think the victory would go to Klitschko, but Rocky would definitely put up a fight.

That reach is fcukin ridiculous. Alls Wlad has to do is jab, jab, jab...right...all night. I think Rock has more of a potential to beat Vitali, but Wlad is too fcukin big.

i don't know if Wlad would K him O, cus after all he's the Rock. But i'm gonna give it to Wladimir, just cus of the reach.

Forgive me for being sceptical about Rocky Marciano, all 5'10" and 185lb of him, tearing apart a top notch fighter who is approximately 50lbs heavier, 8in taller and has a 14" reach advantage, especially when he has no history of beating such opposition. His best opponents were all smallish heavies, and they all went life and death with him. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason, and there's a good reason why no one Rocky's size has dominated the heavies since he was in his pomp.

I won't discount his chances entirely, I just make it very unlikely.
Good post... Well put!

rocky vs a bigger slower lastarza

Joe louis was marciano friend he wants to give the people a good fight and im sure they both wanted a good fight marciano not just gonna try to knock him out. he didnt even really want to do the fight.

your comparing the white tyson to the rock? what? its not like marciano gonna just stand their and keep letting wlad jab at him

obiviously wlad would have to stay on the outside marciano's gonna have a much better leverage advantage in close over wlad but im pretty sure that means hes gonna have to keep backing up (shuffle lunge shuffle lunge) untill he hits the ropes where i belive marciano shines hes gonna be throwing punches wlad didnt even know existed as the muscle fibers are being crushed under marciano's fists

Good point on the Louis vs Marciano fight Benny. Louis looked so much bigger and yet poor Joe would be completely dwarfed by Wlad.

Yes, people forget that Louis didn't box badly that night too, he was nothing like what he was but he won rounds and kept Rocky on the end of his jab. I'd argue that Louis looked better against Rocky than he did against Charles.

But for Rocky to KO an old Joe Louis was no real achievement. If anything, the fight highlights how well a peak Louis would do. It would be a tough fight but I'd lean towards Louis.

Ylem said:

'your comparing the white tyson to the rock? what? its not like marciano gonna just stand their and keep letting wlad jab at him.'

I didn't compare Chagaev to the Rock, I used him as an example of a shorter heavyweight that Wlad had no problem jabbing, Chris Byrd too! This was in response to Sonnybox saying that Wlad wouldn't be able to hit Rocky with his jab.

I know Rocky wouldn't just sit and take them but even the little guys he fought dominated him with the jab, watch the Walcott, Charles and Moore fights. Wlad would have little trouble, being much taller, heavier, younger and stronger than these little veterans.

This is a very interesting match up. Marciano would be giving away 7 inches in height and around 60 pounds in weight. would wlad just be to big for marciano, who would be a cruiserweight in boxing today. marcainio never fought a heavyweight as big as wlad either

or could the rock ko wlad. i think i may edge toward wlad, due to the huge size difference, and the wlad today dosent really get hit much either.

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Marciano was the better fighter but Wlad is just too big. I think it's an unfair fight because Marciano would not even be considered a heavyweight by todays standards.

Absolutely true Joseph, it wouldn't be fair. Marciano would be small by today's cruiserweight standards and no commission would sanction it.

Wow. some great posts on this thread. :boxing:

Forgive me for being sceptical about Rocky Marciano, all 5'10" and 185lb of him, tearing apart a top notch fighter who is approximately 50lbs heavier, 8in taller and has a 14" reach advantage, especially when he has no history of beating such opposition. His best opponents were all smallish heavies, and they all went life and death with him. There are weight classes in boxing for a reason, and there's a good reason why no one Rocky's size has dominated the heavies since he was in his pomp.

I won't discount his chances entirely, I just make it very unlikely.
The problem with Marciano fighting in today's era is that he would need a very easy going ref. Both to turn a blind eye to Rocky's more "inventive" moves and also not to stop the fight. Marciano seemed virtually impervious to pain but modern day referees would certainly have stopped some of his fights on cuts.

As much as I love Marciano as a fighter this is a hell of a tall order. In this match-up Rocky is the legend and greater fighter with all the Hall of Famers on his record, but fight results are dictated by styles, circumstances and individual strengths and weaknesses.

Marcaino would be giving 7 inches away in height and around 60 pound in weight a huge size and weight difference. Marcaino would be around 5 pound under the Cruiserweight limt in todays era, in Wlad he's fighting a huge heavyweight with a great skill set and a big punch.

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http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/richard_obrien/04/21/byrd.klitschko/p1_byrd_klitschko_0421.jpg

Marcaino has also never fought no remotley as big or heavier than Wlad either. You can never count the rock out, but I feel Wlad's height and weight would play a huge part here, Wlad would use his Jab and height to score rather easily on Marcaino while the Rock trys to figure out a way to KO Wladamir.

Marcaino would have a big punchers chance but I dout he would land flush on the extremly cautious Klitschko. Klitschko can take this in a lopsided points victory or a corner pull out. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few knockdowns along the way in the fight.

Well, Marciano certainly does have the physical disadvantage here, but you can't count him out. Rocky's crouching style would make him a very hard target for Wladimir to hit. If Rocky could keep pounding his body and ware him down he could do it, don't forget Rocky had gallons of stamina.

Marciano weighed less in the ring than most LHWs do today. With his extremely short reach, it would be virtually impossible to get past the jab and he would be eating his share of rights. Rocky wouldn't quit, he might get knocked down a few times, but he would always get back up. Eventually though, I see the fight being stopped on cuts or by a ref thinking Rocky was taking too much punishment.

Like I said, Rocky would probably fight LHW today, where I have no doubt he would put the similar sized Zsoldt Erdei out for a nice sleep.

Ill go with Marciano on this one.

Now this fight depends on the era it is fought in greatly. Will it be 12 or 15 rounds? And as stated above, Rocky would need a ref that would allow the fight to go on no matter how much abuse he took. No doubt that Rocky would take a pounding, but if allowed to continue, he could possibly wear Wlad down.

Remember, you don't have to just hit the head and body. Rocky was known for hitting any part of a fighter he could, which means that everytime Wlad threw a jab, Rocky would be punching him in the arm. Eventually breaking enough blood vessels and causing enough bruising that Wlad would become weary of throwing it and would have a hard time holding them up.

Also, Rocky would punish Wlad's hips once he got inside. Wlad has never fought a guy who would dig to the body quite like Rocky, and after a few rounds, Wlads legs would be too weak to keep out of Rock's range, and eventually Rocky would be able to work his head, and it would be over.

There is no question that Rocky will take a beating in this fight, but he would never stop coming forward. NEVER! And psychologically that would mess Wlad up also.

Now if it was with today's officials, I would go for Wlad by cuts, but in a fight in his own era, I would go for Rocky by KO in round 13.

We cannot say that a shorter man cannot win
as example the fight between Jack Dempsey and Jess Willard
Willard was a really tall guy
and Dempsey was shorter
but he had no problem knocking Willard out
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So i go with Rocky
the only HeavyWeight Champion to retire without being defeated
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peace :boxing:

If the match is even sanctioned considering Marciano weighs in as a cruiserweight, I see Klitschko beating him. I think he would keep his distance with jabs and power shots.

You have to go with Klitschko here, although with his small stature and stance (coupled with Klitschko's size) he would be harder to hit than one might believe. Size would prevail.

Rocky, 1st round KO. Wlad is a bum in a weak division. 3 fight deal with Haye, what a pu$$y. Just fight the man, don't say "I'm gonna get my brother on you"

in my opinion the fight would go over all rounds and marciano would win, because of nice landed punches