View Full Version : I need to educate myself on the Big Four...


PittyPat
07-21-2009, 01:26 AM
... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran.

These names I never stop hearing in any boxing discussion, and there's obviously a reason for that. Besides Hagler-Hearns (which I didn't enjoy as much as I thought), I'm very keen to see the other fights they had between them. So far I've been a firm '90s-'00s boxing fan, but I feel as though I absolutely must broaden my knowledge.

Therefore could somebody compile a list for me which places each and every fight of theirs in 'must-see' order, starting from the best one? This means all fights they had with each other, but not against others - at least not yet. One thing at a time.

I'd really appreciate anyone's efforts on this. :smile1:

Silencers
07-21-2009, 01:36 AM
Well you alreayd saw Hearns-Hagler, that was the best fight out of the bunch really.

Besides Hagler-Hearns to me this is the order.

1. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler
2. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 1
3. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 1
4. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 2 (The No Mas Fight)
5. Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
6. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 2
7. Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran
8. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 3

PittyPat
07-21-2009, 01:43 AM
1. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler
2. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 1
3. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 1
4. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 2 (The No Mas Fight)
5. Tommy Hearns vs Roberto Duran
6. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Tommy Hearns 2
7. Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran
8. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 3

Just what the doc ordered! I'll get on it tomorrow and grab those, providing they've been upped around here. http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5710/saluting.png

Are they mainly 15-round distance fights, are or there some KOs/stoppages in there?

sonnyboyx2
07-21-2009, 01:46 AM
please bear-in-mind that Hearns broke his famous right hand in the opening round against Hagler...

sonnyboyx2
07-21-2009, 01:53 AM
it was not just their great fights against eachother there was other fights that made these fighters the legends that they are like :
Hearns v Benitez
Duran v Benitez
Leonard v Benitez
Duran v Barkley
Hearns v Barkley 1 & 2
Duran v Moore
Leonard v LaLonde
Hagler v Antuofermo 1
Duran v Palomino

Silencers
07-21-2009, 01:56 AM
Just what the doc ordered! I'll get on it tomorrow and grab those, providing they've been upped around here. http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5710/saluting.png

Are they mainly 15-round distance fights, are or there some KOs/stoppages in there?

I won't spoil them for you but yeah, there are a few stoppages in there.

1SILVA
07-21-2009, 02:19 AM
... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran.

These names I never stop hearing in any boxing discussion, and there's obviously a reason for that. Besides Hagler-Hearns (which I didn't enjoy as much as I thought), I'm very keen to see the other fights they had between them. So far I've been a firm '90s-'00s boxing fan, but I feel as though I absolutely must broaden my knowledge.

Therefore could somebody compile a list for me which places each and every fight of theirs in 'must-see' order, starting from the best one? This means all fights they had with each other, but not against others - at least not yet. One thing at a time.

I'd really appreciate anyone's efforts on this. :smile1:

Get the book Four Kings by George Kimball. It gives a detailed account of each fight between the four in complete detail before, during and after. It also details each fighter's rise to prominence

Thread Stealer
07-21-2009, 02:28 AM
Not including their fights with each other, I recommend watching these fights of them to either see really good fights, or some of their best performances/most significant fights.


Marvin Hagler: John Mugabi, Tony Sibson, Mustafa Hamsho (both fights), Caveman Lee
Roberto Duran: Iran Barkley, Esteban Dejesus (all 3 just for the hell of it), Davey Moore, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas
Ray Leonard: Davey Boy Green, Wilfred Benitez, Andy Price, Floyd Mayweather
Thomas Hearns: Pipino Cuevas, Wilfred Benitez, Virgil Hill, James Shuler, Iran Barkley (especially the first fight).


Among the Fab 4, Hagler-Hearns and Leonard-Duran 1 are the best fights. Leonard-Hearns 1 is tactical in large part, but great for shifts in momentum, and the fact that it's two undefeated ATGs at/near the top of their game. I actually thought their rematch was better in terms of action.

Leonard-Duran 3 is a horrible fight.

RightCross94
07-21-2009, 03:36 AM
1. Hagler-Hearns is a terrific fight
2. Next Best is Leonard-Hearns 1
3. Then Leonard-Duran 1
4. Then maybe Duran-Hagler


Didn't really care for the others, Leonard-Hagler wasnt much good IMO and Leonard
Duran 3 is crap, so obvious both were there for the payday, and roberto legs looked to weigh about 120 kilos each from the way he moved

RightCross94
07-21-2009, 03:36 AM
and of course i hate watching Hearns-Duran...

bojangles1987
07-21-2009, 01:51 PM
Against each other:

1. Hagler-Hearns (duh)
2. Leonard-Hearns I
3. Duran-Leonard I
4. Hagler-Leonard (Love hearing opinions on this one, it always differs)
5. Hagler-Duran

Hearns-Duran is not a great fight, but you should see it anyway.

mickey malone
07-21-2009, 03:52 PM
You have all the info you need.. Shame no one warned you about Leonard Duran 3.. It was all over by then, & this fight was more like an exhibition match, so don't read too much into it.. Well, that's if you can stay awake...lol
All the others are brilliant though.. Enjoy!

Ziggy Stardust
07-21-2009, 04:56 PM
... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran.

These names I never stop hearing in any boxing discussion, and there's obviously a reason for that. Besides Hagler-Hearns (which I didn't enjoy as much as I thought), I'm very keen to see the other fights they had between them. So far I've been a firm '90s-'00s boxing fan, but I feel as though I absolutely must broaden my knowledge.

Therefore could somebody compile a list for me which places each and every fight of theirs in 'must-see' order, starting from the best one? This means all fights they had with each other, but not against others - at least not yet. One thing at a time.

I'd really appreciate anyone's efforts on this. :smile1:

All the fights between the four should be available in the video trade forum. You'll be suprised at how many are available for the four of them against others as well. BTW, I would recommend seeing the fights of the FIFTH member of that group, Wilfred Benitez, too.

Poet

BennyST
07-23-2009, 08:00 AM
Not including their fights with each other, I recommend watching these fights of them to either see really good fights, or some of their best performances/most significant fights.


Marvin Hagler: John Mugabi, Tony Sibson, Mustafa Hamsho (both fights), Caveman Lee
Roberto Duran: Iran Barkley, Esteban Dejesus (all 3 just for the hell of it), Davey Moore, Carlos Palomino, Pipino Cuevas
Ray Leonard: Davey Boy Green, Wilfred Benitez, Andy Price, Floyd Mayweather
Thomas Hearns: Pipino Cuevas, Wilfred Benitez, Virgil Hill, James Shuler, Iran Barkley (especially the first fight).


Among the Fab 4, Hagler-Hearns and Leonard-Duran 1 are the best fights. Leonard-Hearns 1 is tactical in large part, but great for shifts in momentum, and the fact that it's two undefeated ATGs at/near the top of their game. I actually thought their rematch was better in terms of action.

Leonard-Duran 3 is a horrible fight.

Nearly undefeated. :fing02:

I agree with the above though. While you need to watch all their fights together, it is just as imperative to watch their other fights. For example, Hagler was always a middleweight and did his best work before meeting up with Duran and then Hearns and Leonard. Those fights were later in his title reign and was already starting to slow a little by the time he got to Hearns.

Hagler fought for a long time, much like Duran, before finally meeting up for the first fight of the Fab Four involving him. He had unified the titles and had an amazing run for many, many years as well as having a long career with setback after setback just trying to get a title shot, despite him being considered the best middleweight for a long time.

Duran also did his best work before moving up to welterweight to meet Ray Leonard. He had a decade long title reign at lightweight with some brilliant fights and basically had an entire career, or certainly the equal of most fighters careers, before he ever even met up with Leonard for the first time, most of which you should be able to see, such as those against the HOF'er Ken Buchanan, Carlos Palomino (this was a welterweight fight before Leonard though), the aforementioned De Jesus and others like Ishimatsu, Kobayashi and the great Ernesto Marcel.

Hearns and Leonard both did a lot of their best stuff side by side at WW, though Hearns was even better as a JMW and had an incredible run there which must be seen. As listed above though, you have to check out Leonard's fights with Green, Price, Mayweather, Benitez etc.

mickey malone
07-23-2009, 08:14 AM
The fight where Hagler won the title is superb & not for the squeamish.. He came over to the UK & burst Alan Minters bubble in one of his most brutal displays.. Minter has since said, that although not on top of his game that night, it wouldn't have mattered.. Needs to be noted, that some piss heads in the crowd, try to spoil it for Hagler at the end..

1SILVA
07-23-2009, 12:18 PM
... Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran.

These names I never stop hearing in any boxing discussion, and there's obviously a reason for that. Besides Hagler-Hearns (which I didn't enjoy as much as I thought), I'm very keen to see the other fights they had between them. So far I've been a firm '90s-'00s boxing fan, but I feel as though I absolutely must broaden my knowledge.

Therefore could somebody compile a list for me which places each and every fight of theirs in 'must-see' order, starting from the best one? This means all fights they had with each other, but not against others - at least not yet. One thing at a time.

I'd really appreciate anyone's efforts on this. :smile1:

Also check out the documentary the fab four. It is available for download in the Video Trading Block forum