As of today who is the most overrated Fighter??

Tito, (he beat a welterweight who was out of shape at middleweight, that doesnt do anything but throw wide punches and not block.) and all of sudden hes better than ever.lol

Scap, this answer is for you, and if you come out of the shadows and show you face, I'll be shocked.

The answer is Joe Calzaghe. This guy has been sitting over in Britain for years now talkin about how he is best in the division, how he could have gone up and fought Jones, how he could have gone up and fought Tarver, etc., etc., etc. This guy MAY be the best at Super Middleweight, but how are we going to know? By watching him fight Brian Magee next month? Who the $^&@ is Brian Magee? If this guy never opened his mouth again, my ears would be much happier.

yeah but u can say the same for B-Hop hes never faught a real middleweight, and he never went up or down to fight anybody.

Bernard has never fought a real Middleweight? Do you want to put the crack down? He is the only person to stop the now recognized LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT champ in Glen Johnson. He fought Syd the Jewel and Antuan Echols(2x), both of whom have gone on to fight for titles at SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT. Oh, I think that he has fought a few Middleweights during his reign.

By the way, Joe's 3 best wins?

Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Chris Eubank

Tocker Pudwill?
Kabary Salem?
Mario Veit?

QUALITY AND QUANTITY BABY!!!!

yeah but he never faught great guys. Its not his fault it was cause there was nobody there.

By the way, Joe's 3 best wins?

Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Chris Eubank

Tocker Pudwill?
Kabary Salem?
Mario Veit?

QUALITY AND QUANTITY BABY!!!!

You can add another 3 world champs to that list: Robin Reid, Ritchie Woodhall and Byron Mitchell. If you look at the way in which he beat most of these guys and at his obvious talent it's stupid to call him overrated. He beats anyone from light heavy down.

You can add another 3 world champs to that list: Robin Reid, Ritchie Woodhall and Byron Mitchell. If you look at the way in which he beat most of these guys and at his obvious talent it's stupid to call him overrated. He beats anyone from light heavy down.


I'd favor Hopkins, Tarver, and Glen Johnson over Calzaghe. He's way past his best...these three would all take him apart.

I don't think Calzaghe could beat either Tarver or Johnson. He's must be wasting his talent because he hasn't tried to unify the division.

Guys please, this thread has been done to death! Overrated, underrated, overrated currently, underrated currently, in history, any way you can think of it. I guess that's what the forum is all about. Arguments in circles :)

I honestly don't know why anyone rates Johnson or Tarver, they're just 2 B level fighters sitting on top of a ****ty division. Clinton Woods gave Johnson 2 tough fights and he's only a good European level fighter and Sheika beat him f.f.sake. Only Hopkins with his ring smarts and talent would give JC any sort of difficulty. He's way too quick and skilled for those 2 and his strength would eventually tell on Nard.

I don't think JC hits any harder than Tarver so I don't see his power affecting Johnsons chin. I think Tarver would stop JC because he's a lanky good counter puncher. I think even Antwun Echols would give JC hell if they fought. If JC decides to fight Jeff Lacy, he'll get KO'ed.

I agree that he'd win UD against Johnson but volume of punches may eventually put him away. Echols would be a fight I'd like to see but your Jeff Lacy comment's gonna keep me chuckling all day...JC's got a great chin and would totally school Lacy and put him to sleep at this point in time, the boy's way too green. Calzaghe's a lanky southpaw counter puncher too and he's a lot faster than Tarver and has more allround skills.

Tito, (he beat a welterweight who was out of shape at middleweight, that doesnt do anything but throw wide punches and not block.) and all of sudden hes better than ever.lol
no man, tito is not overrated, shane mosley, spinks, mayorga are the most overrated fighters.

Calzaghe's chin is suspect though. If JC & Lacy fought, I could see JC jumping out to an early lead sort of like Syd Vanderpool did & getting caught with something big from Lacy mid-way through. JC has been down a few times from alot lesser punchers.

Kostya Tszyu.

Keep in mind I was a big KT fan but he has lacked a lot of activity grown more arrogant, he came back beat a scared Sharmba Mitchell and all of a sudden he is back and top 3 or 4 in many people's p4p list?

Not to mention he has been using that phrase that irritates me which basically means he isnt gonna fight any up and coming threats that he think can beat him, "I just want to fight big fights"

While fighters like Morales, Pacquiao, Barrera, Castillo keep fighting top ranked fighters one after another they all get ranked below him.

Calzaghe's chin is suspect though. If JC & Lacy fought, I could see JC jumping out to an early lead sort of like Syd Vanderpool did & getting caught with something big from Lacy mid-way through. JC has been down a few times from alot lesser punchers.

He's been down twice in his career, never looked hurt and got up to win comfortably. Hopkins was down twice in 1 fight against KO specialist Mercado :rolleyes: so does he have a suspect chin too? JC's walked through bigger punchers than Lacy. The guy's not even close to being able to beat Calzaghe yet when he's still struggling to beat guys like Sheika and Vanderpool. The power that he has won't get him out of trouble with the big boys.

Kostya Tszyu.

Keep in mind I was a big KT fan but he has lacked a lot of activity grown more arrogant, he came back beat a scared Sharmba Mitchell and all of a sudden he is back and top 3 or 4 in many people's p4p list?

Not to mention he has been using that phrase that irritates me which basically means he isnt gonna fight any up and coming threats that he think can beat him, "I just want to fight big fights"

While fighters like Morales, Pacquiao, Barrera, Castillo keep fighting top ranked fighters one after another they all get ranked below him.


Hmmm. Got a good point there dude.

As of today who is the most overrated Fighter??


It's either Shane Mosley or Fernando Vargas.............

Hmmm, I don't know but can anyone tell me if Pacquiao is flying across the ocean to his next fight ... or just walking?

Hmmm, I don't know but can anyone tell me if Pacquiao is flying across the ocean to his next fight ... or just walking?

Traitor! :mad:

I can't believe it hasn't been said yet


2 MOST OVERRATED FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME=ROY JONES JR,GERRY COONEY

I don't think Calzaghe could beat either Tarver or Johnson. He's must be wasting his talent because he hasn't tried to unify the division.

Nah, Ottke held the belts and refused to fight him. Calzaghe is the best Super middle out there and extra belts wont prove that anymore.

I cant see the difference between Hopkins and Calzaghe myself, their situations are exactly the same but one's at the top of P4P and one's not in it. :confused:

I think there a serious issue with the passport Calzaghe holds!!

For what its worth, IMHO Calzaghe would beat Hopkins too.

I don't think JC could beat Bhops or else he'd try to get a fight with him. I still don't think he could beat Lacy or else he'd try & unify against him too. I read quite a few times that Lacy said he'd have no problem going overseas to fight him.

I don't think JC could beat Bhops or else he'd try to get a fight with him. I still don't think he could beat Lacy or else he'd try & unify against him too. I read quite a few times that Lacy said he'd have no problem going overseas to fight him.

a couple of years ago Hopkins agreed to fight Calzaghe, the next day he changed his mind and pulled out. Hopkins avoided the fight not Calzaghe. its disapointing because it would have been a really good styles match.

Lacy's a talented fighter, a bit overated for a prospect and cant punch as hard people say. He needs to fight a guy like Danny Green before stepping up to Calzaghe. but first Lacy needs to lose some arm weight, get back to boxing and stop loading up with every shot.

IMO Lacy holding a world title is a joke, its unreal that he can 17-0, has only beaten one half decent fighter and is considered a world champion :confused: i think people expect far too much from him too soon and if he's put in with a rough fighter like Calzaghe he'd get beat. Give Lacy a couple of years and you could have a genuine world class fighter.

You actually think Lacy's power is overrated?

cooney maybe, but not rjj...

I can't believe it hasn't been said yet


2 MOST OVERRATED FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME=ROY JONES JR,GERRY COONEY
cooney maybe, but not rjj...

Kostya Tszyu.

Keep in mind I was a big KT fan but he has lacked a lot of activity grown more arrogant, he came back beat a scared Sharmba Mitchell and all of a sudden he is back and top 3 or 4 in many people's p4p list?

Not to mention he has been using that phrase that irritates me which basically means he isnt gonna fight any up and coming threats that he think can beat him, "I just want to fight big fights"

While fighters like Morales, Pacquiao, Barrera, Castillo keep fighting top ranked fighters one after another they all get ranked below him.

What are you talking about? he has used that line once and is fighting the No 1 ranked up and coming fighter in the IBF in Hatton. He lacked activity because he was injured, and then came out and destroyed a guy who 70% of the so called experts said would beat him and was generally regarded as the amn most deserving a shot at the title because he alledgdly hurt his knee in the first fight. He KTFO Judah in 2 rounds and he has since gone on to become the undisputed welter champ. He is alot older than the fighters you mentioned, and now you want to critise him because he want to cash in and seal his legacy with mega-fights against the likes of DLH, Mosley and Judah? Give me a break, if you don't like him then I don't give a ****, but don't just talk crap about one of the best boxers of his generation. :mad:

yeah but u can say the same for B-Hop hes never faught a real middleweight, and he never went up or down to fight anybody.
Hopkins has fought at least 8 or 10 true middleweights (or heavier) that I can think of right off the top of my head, Johnson, Echols (who is huge). I'm no Hopkins fan, but don't misrepresent his record.

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yeah but u can say the same for B-Hop hes never faught a real middleweight, and he never went up or down to fight anybody.
u've defenately been hittin up dat crack pipe wif SturmRules

I can't believe it hasn't been said yet


2 MOST OVERRATED FIGHTERS OF ALL TIME=ROY JONES JR,GERRY COONEY
i dont agree about da jones comment but cooney was a bum. he was the "great white hope" that had no chance of beating holmes and was DESETROYED. even foreman an old fat foreman beat cooney

It's either Shane Mosley or Fernando Vargas.............
i'd have to say Mosley. his skill isnt all that great. all he had was hand speed and power. his defense is krappy and his jab in virtually non-existant.

i dont agree about da jones comment but cooney was a bum. he was the "great white hope" that had no chance of beating holmes and was DESETROYED. even foreman an old fat foreman beat cooney

maybe our definition of destroyed differs, when I say destroyed I mean ko'd in the first rd

cooney weathered the storm all the way to the scorecards, so give him some respect. I question your intelligence for calling him a bum, even today in his old age he would probably stomp you and 4 of your friends asses at the same time..have some ****in respect. Don't forget his first round KO of Ken Norton.