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borikua 02-16-2005, 08:33 PM Who wins? Why?
I don't see Floyd able to KO Cotto or Cotto able to outbox Floyd..But Cotto hits a lot more harder than Floyd and has pretty good hand speed...This is one of those fight were I don't know who to pick (if I was going to place a bet...cuz for sure I will be rooting for Cotto). I know that Top Rank will make this fight happen late 2005 early 2006..they are already matching Cotto with ppl that has fought Floyd like Chop Chop...Will Cotto be the one to give Floyd his first defeat (cuz I'm sure that Gatti won't)... :boxing:
BrooklynBomber 02-16-2005, 08:41 PM Cotto is my second favorite fighter at Jnr. Welter and I also consider him second best fighter in that division. I think that he has the style and the tools to beat PBF. Also he has very underrated footwork, its just he does not use it very often. I think great skills, good speed and very good power will beat brilliant skills and great speed. Cotto bey late round TKO, possibly loosing on cards.
jayschre 02-16-2005, 08:43 PM I think this would be the fight of the year, and also a fight where Floyd's ego would get him ko'ed, I can definately see Floyd winning the first 3 or 4 rds, But then he would get ****y and either hang by the ropes or stand directly in front of Cotto trying to do his shoulder defence ****, and this is where I see Cotto catching Floyd with a huge left hook and Floyd going nighty night for a ten count, Cotto by Knockout rd 4-6:boxing:
TyrantT316 02-16-2005, 08:44 PM Floyd is too smart and experienced...he will not allow himself to be caught by big bombs and will outbox Cotto to a decision...fans may call it a boring fight...but having an extra W in the win column is all a boxer could ask for
Floyd UD Cotto
BrooklynBomber 02-16-2005, 08:47 PM I actually think this is gonna be boring fight where Floyd, once he tastes Cotto's power will be running away the whole fight while scoring potshots and Cotto will be patiently working the body and ultimately stopping Floyd late.
straightjab65 02-16-2005, 09:20 PM I think that this would be a great fight. I believe that cotto will someday be on top of the pound for pound list. What better way to do that than to beat the man in the top three of that list. Cotto's not quite ready for floyd yet but give him a couple more fights against top fighters and he'll be ready for a floyd mayweather or Kostya Tszyu.
Cotto by K.O.
QueenCity 02-16-2005, 09:29 PM I think that this would be a great fight. I believe that cotto will someday be on top of the pound for pound list. What better way to do that than to beat the man in the top three of that list. Cotto's not quite ready for floyd yet but give him a couple more fights against top fighters and he'll be ready for a floyd mayweather or Kostya Tszyu.
Cotto by K.O.
I agree, I really believe some day Cotto will be at the top of the hill in boxing and in time he'll get a shot against a guy like Mayweather and Tszyu and I think he could win either fight potentially.
With that said I think Mayweather/Cotto will be an awesome showdowm and it can't come soon enough for me.
jack_the_rippuh 02-16-2005, 10:18 PM Floyd would stop the poor kid late just like he did his sparring buddy. As far as Mayweather standing in the pocket, I doubt Cotto can make him pay when he's like that. The guy's defense is like a cage when he puts his one arm on his stomach and the other arm up against his head...he'll deflect all of those bombs with his shoulder and elbow..
Floydmayweather 02-16-2005, 10:34 PM Cotto is not ready for Floyd yet.
THRILLAinmanila 02-16-2005, 10:38 PM Cotto's time has not yet arrived. Floyd is technically superior, and
I believe this will more than offset Cotto's advantage in power.
oldgringo 02-16-2005, 11:29 PM I'm surprised that Cotto is winning the poll. I think Cotto needs to fight one of the other big 140 names before he takes on Floyd. Cotto certainly has all of the skills needed to beat Floyd...he just needs the "big fight" experience.
Knicksman20 02-16-2005, 11:40 PM Floyd would stop the poor kid late just like he did his sparring buddy. As far as Mayweather standing in the pocket, I doubt Cotto can make him pay when he's like that. The guy's defense is like a cage when he puts his one arm on his stomach and the other arm up against his head...he'll deflect all of those bombs with his shoulder and elbow..
You put perfectly. Cotto would be outclased in this fight. He's never faced anyone with the defensive skills & speed of PBF whereas PBF has been in the ring with some bangers. PBF would frustrate that kid all night. I see a possible TKO late for Floyd in this fight.
Fallout 02-17-2005, 01:28 AM At this point, Mayweather wins pretty easy. He would outbox Cotto for 12 rounds, maybe only losing a point or two. In late 2005 early 2006 though, which is when I think this fight happens, Cotto has a much better chance. He will improve even more and will be able to avoid getting picked apart by Mayweather.
campanero 02-17-2005, 10:08 AM History shows that in order to see greatness we must see good fighters measuring each other in a boxing match. Floyd Mayweather is a very skillful boxer, has quick hands and legs and a very good bicycle. But he is going to have to learn to deal with a young determined powerful boxer in Miguel Cotto that will not stop until he is at close range to unleash his arsenal of bombs, bombs to the body with combinations, and left hooks that by the time Floyd start to think where he is and what time it is he will realized that he made a huge mistake standing inside the same ring with Miguel. I see Miguel Cotto circling Floyd until he has no where to run and then with all patience that he carries on give Floyd the knock out of his life time.
Floydmayweather 02-17-2005, 01:42 PM I see it the other way around Floyd is also very young. Cotto will come after him but after 4 rounds or so with no big landed pushes frustration will kick in. Then Floyd will show everyone why is considered top p4p and take Cotto out. In a year or so that might change but right now Cotto is not ready.
Soldier01 02-17-2005, 01:53 PM I can't imagine Cotto getting frustrated with all the patience he carries in the ring. I think Floyd's a good fighter but, he's over rated. Cotto by KO by the 10th RD.
Floydmayweather 02-17-2005, 01:58 PM I can't imagine Cotto getting frustrated with all the patience he carries in the ring. I think Floyd's a good fighter but, he's over rated. Cotto by KO by the 10th RD.
He has never fought a boxer like Floyd Chop is his best fight yet and Floyd took Chop to school.
Kornhusker 02-17-2005, 02:02 PM By the time Cotto is "ready" for Tszyu and Mayweather, Tszyu will be retired and Floyd will be a welterweight.
Soldier01 02-17-2005, 02:06 PM Chop Chop Stunned Mayweather atleast once or twice in that fight and chop chop is not considered a power puncher in the boxing world.Floyd will taste that 1 punch and he'll try to run all night like he does when he fights fighters who constantly put pressure on him. We can go all day and night about this...Let's just see who handles Chop Chop better.
Slipx 02-17-2005, 02:08 PM (looks for the 'who gives a ****' button)
oh thats right there isnt one
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Soldier01 02-17-2005, 02:11 PM "By the time Cotto is "ready" for Tszyu and Mayweather, Tszyu will be retired and Floyd will be a welterweight."
Cotto is already going to fight Corley in about a week. When did Floyd fight Corley?? The fight before the one he just had "No Competition"
Henry Bruseles. Floyd should've picked a better fighter than Bruseles. Hey Kornhusker, I think it'll be alot sooner than that.
Soldier01 02-17-2005, 02:14 PM SlipX If you don't give a ****..Don't post
Kornhusker 02-17-2005, 02:19 PM "By the time Cotto is "ready" for Tszyu and Mayweather, Tszyu will be retired and Floyd will be a welterweight."
Cotto is already going to fight Corley in about a week. When did Floyd fight Corley?? The fight before the one he just had "No Competition"
Henry Bruseles. Floyd should've picked a better fighter than Bruseles. Hey Kornhusker, I think it'll be alot sooner than that.
I primarily don't see it happening because the only fight out there that Floyd really wants is DLH. I think he will be going to 147 after the Gatti fight. I think he could beat Zab and have all the belts at 147 to negotiate a DLH fight. That being ready remark was a jest. It doesn't matter how many more fights Cotto has,there isn't anyone out there to prepare him for the speed and boxing ability PBF has.
"By the time Cotto is "ready" for Tszyu and Mayweather, Tszyu will be retired and Floyd will be a welterweight."
Cotto is already going to fight Corley in about a week. When did Floyd fight Corley?? The fight before the one he just had "No Competition"
Henry Bruseles. Floyd should've picked a better fighter than Bruseles. Hey Kornhusker, I think it'll be alot sooner than that.
Dont question who Floyd fights, he has one of the best resumes out there and while everyone is sweating Cotto about how fast he has did stuff. Mayweather has fought way better comp then Cotto at the same age and beat the legendary Genaro Hernandez for the title. Then he had fought Chico at the same age.
It doesnt mean anything about how Cotto does against Corley because they are 2 different fighters. Floyd is at his 4th weight class and Cotto is in his first and should be at welterweight so that means Floyd can dominate a guy like Corley but might cant KO him while Cotto possibly could. That doesnt mean he did it better then Floyd
jayschre 02-17-2005, 04:48 PM Dont question who Floyd fights, he has one of the best resumes out there and while everyone is sweating Cotto about how fast he has did stuff. Mayweather has fought way better comp then Cotto at the same age and beat the legendary Genaro Hernandez for the title. Then he had fought Chico at the same age.
It doesnt mean anything about how Cotto does against Corley because they are 2 different fighters. Floyd is at his 4th weight class and Cotto is in his first and should be at welterweight so that means Floyd can dominate a guy like Corley but might cant KO him while Cotto possibly could. That doesnt mean he did it better then Floyd
Dude don't you ever say anything new or even have any new evidence to back up your opinions, it's always the same thing with you. Whoever you like always has "one of the best resume`s out there today", since when has Genaro Hernandez been considered a legendary champion he doesn't have a really big name win besides Azumah Nelson and that fight even went to a split dec. and Nelson was already at the end of an 18 year career. Don't get what I am sayin wrong I think Floyd is a very good fighter that could be great, but don't try and knock what Cotto has accomplished so far in his career simply because he hasn't moved up to another class yet.
And why should he have until recently the 140 lb. class has been way deeper as far as potential big money and big recognition fights go than the 147lb. class has to offer. Also and feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I swear I remember you sayin in some other thread that you are a fan of Cotto, well if indeed you are I don't understand why you are the one who is always first to jump in saying that he hasn't got a good enough resume` compared to fighter x, now I am not sayin that fans shouldn't be critical of a fighter but damn to be a fan of someone and constantly argue against them is kinda ****ed!
elveiel 02-17-2005, 05:00 PM i'd pick Mayweather, not long ago would have picked Cotto but Mayweathers filling into the weight well i'd his experience would win it.
Very close Mayweather SD/UD.
elveiel 02-17-2005, 05:04 PM Dont question who Floyd fights, he has one of the best resumes out there and while everyone is sweating Cotto about how fast he has did stuff. Mayweather has fought way better comp then Cotto at the same age and beat the legendary Genaro Hernandez for the title. Then he had fought Chico at the same age.
It doesnt mean anything about how Cotto does against Corley because they are 2 different fighters. Floyd is at his 4th weight class and Cotto is in his first and should be at welterweight so that means Floyd can dominate a guy like Corley but might cant KO him while Cotto possibly could. That doesnt mean he did it better then Floyd
Cotto started out at lightweight, he's in his second weight class.
Just thought i'd point that out, the rest i agree with. :cool:
SonnyG8R 02-17-2005, 05:12 PM I'm surprised that Cotto is winning the poll. I think Cotto needs to fight one of the other big 140 names before he takes on Floyd. Cotto certainly has all of the skills needed to beat Floyd...he just needs the "big fight" experience.
Well said. Cotto will definitely take him in the near future if given the chance. Just not yet.
ChicoEscuelaNYC 02-17-2005, 06:04 PM Mayweather on points. I'm surprised Cotto got so many votes, but then again this board is filled with activing and lurking puerto rican nuthuggers who'd pick the PR fighter versus anyone. :rolleyes:
m00ks 02-17-2005, 07:02 PM Cotto can be badly outboxed from the outside, heck Pinto did a good job till he got caught. But Floyd's got better set of wheels and so much faster. Cotto has short arms which would give him trouble.
You wanan beat floyd? Show me someone who has enough speed and power to catch him. Judah's my best bet.
.::EnRiQuE::. 02-17-2005, 07:06 PM Floyd would stop the poor kid late just like he did his sparring buddy. As far as Mayweather standing in the pocket, I doubt Cotto can make him pay when he's like that. The guy's defense is like a cage when he puts his one arm on his stomach and the other arm up against his head...he'll deflect all of those bombs with his shoulder and elbow..
with the bombs that cotto throws floyds arms are gonna be hurtin and sooner or later his defense isn't gonna work
.::EnRiQuE::. 02-17-2005, 07:07 PM I'm surprised that Cotto is winning the poll. I think Cotto needs to fight one of the other big 140 names before he takes on Floyd. Cotto certainly has all of the skills needed to beat Floyd...he just needs the "big fight" experience.
good point
.::EnRiQuE::. 02-17-2005, 07:12 PM everyone seems to be forgeting that cotto can box southpawa as well. we all saw that in the corley fight floyd has trouble against southpaws. floyd had to turn southpaw himself to become effective. cotto will box him south paw and this will give mayweather trouble in the early rounds and this is gonna be when cotto is gonna get in the needed body work so when we get into the late rounds cotto will be able to take out floyd
Knicksman20 02-17-2005, 07:16 PM PBF isn't a runner like Corey Spinks. He's a boxer that can mix it up because of his solid defense. Genaro Hernandez wasn't that good? His only 2 loses in his career where to world class fighters, PBF & De La Hoya so that should tell you something. The reason Cotto so patient is because of the level of his opposition. His toughest fight was against N'Dou & in that fight he didn't looked so poised in the 2nd half. Imagine how he'd look against PBF, no comparison because they're not in the same league.
borikua 02-17-2005, 07:29 PM Mayweather on points. I'm surprised Cotto got so many votes, but then again this board is filled with activing and lurking puerto rican nuthuggers who'd pick the PR fighter versus anyone. :rolleyes:
ohh the little baby can't deal with the amount of Puerto Ricans in this site... :bottle: Check who vote for Cotto first b4 talking **** puta..
Cotto started out at lightweight, he's in his second weight class.
Just thought i'd point that out, the rest i agree with. :cool:
When did Cotto fight at lightweight?
Dude don't you ever say anything new or even have any new evidence to back up your opinions, it's always the same thing with you. Whoever you like always has "one of the best resume`s out there today", since when has Genaro Hernandez been considered a legendary champion he doesn't have a really big name win besides Azumah Nelson and that fight even went to a split dec. and Nelson was already at the end of an 18 year career. Don't get what I am sayin wrong I think Floyd is a very good fighter that could be great, but don't try and knock what Cotto has accomplished so far in his career simply because he hasn't moved up to another class yet.
And why should he have until recently the 140 lb. class has been way deeper as far as potential big money and big recognition fights go than the 147lb. class has to offer. Also and feel free to correct me if I am wrong but I swear I remember you sayin in some other thread that you are a fan of Cotto, well if indeed you are I don't understand why you are the one who is always first to jump in saying that he hasn't got a good enough resume` compared to fighter x, now I am not sayin that fans shouldn't be critical of a fighter but damn to be a fan of someone and constantly argue against them is kinda ****ed!
Here you come again. I wasnt even talking to you. Dont get into other people conversations unless you know what your talking about. If you dont think Hernandez was a great fighter then you have a problem.
When I was talking about his weight it wasnt even like that so you dont even know what your talking about. I was responding to what the guy said about how Cotto will beat Chop worst then what Floyd did and I said you cant compare the 2 because they are totally different fighters. Cotto is much bigger so he can KO a guy who Floyd might dominate but not KO but that doesnt mean he beat the guy any worst then Floyd did. Stop jumping in stuff if you dont know what your talking about. Im one of the few guys on here who dont care about weight and think that if you can make it then it is still fair game.
I am a Cotto fan despite what you think. I just take offense to people saying that he would kill a #4# guy without even facing anyone of elite status yet. I hold Corley in higher regard then most so if he KO's him then he will get nothing but the utmost respect from me. I think he is the best young fighter out there and could be great one day but he doesnt have the win to say that yet and he definatly hasnt done anything to say he can beat a Mayweather or a Zoo. That is my only point
jayschre 02-18-2005, 04:09 AM Here you come again. I wasnt even talking to you. Dont get into other people conversations unless you know what your talking about. If you dont think Hernandez was a great fighter then you have a problem.
When I was talking about his weight it wasnt even like that so you dont even know what your talking about. I was responding to what the guy said about how Cotto will beat Chop worst then what Floyd did and I said you cant compare the 2 because they are totally different fighters. Cotto is much bigger so he can KO a guy who Floyd might dominate but not KO but that doesnt mean he beat the guy any worst then Floyd did. Stop jumping in stuff if you dont know what your talking about. Im one of the few guys on here who dont care about weight and think that if you can make it then it is still fair game.
I am a Cotto fan despite what you think. I just take offense to people saying that he would kill a #4# guy without even facing anyone of elite status yet. I hold Corley in higher regard then most so if he KO's him then he will get nothing but the utmost respect from me. I think he is the best young fighter out there and could be great one day but he doesnt have the win to say that yet and he definatly hasnt done anything to say he can beat a Mayweather or a Zoo. That is my only point
I only bring up the weight issue because you are always talking about how big Cotto is and how he should be at 147, kinda like the way you have talked about Tszyu before saying he's not really a great fighter or champ cause he never moved up in wieght, that's all I'm saying. Oh and this is a forum disscusion so don't try and give me that I wasn't talking to you crap:rolleyes:
I only bring up the weight issue because you are always talking about how big Cotto is and how he should be at 147, kinda like the way you have talked about Tszyu before saying he's not really a great fighter or champ cause he never moved up in wieght, that's all I'm saying. Oh and this is a forum disscusion so don't try and give me that I wasn't talking to you crap:rolleyes:
Thats bull****, you never hear me say that Cotto should be at 147. Im all for guys making weight at the lowest weight possible because I think it makes for intresting fights. Stop making up **** to make your points.
Cotto is much younger then Zoo and just getting started so I would never say he has to do things that a vet like Zoo should do. I dont think you have to move up in weight. I said Zoo shouldve moved up because there werent any great fights at 140 and there were alot at 147. Ive said it a million times. I dont think you have to move up but if there arent any great fighters at your weight class but there are alot above you then you should
jayschre 02-18-2005, 02:42 PM Well well well, in case you haven't yet seen that I resurrected the thread that you DID IN FACT make that exact ****ing statement it's the Cotto returns Feb. 26 th thread. BULL**** HUH!!!:p
borikua 02-18-2005, 03:48 PM OMG Cotto is winning the poll! This fight needs to be made! Cotto-Floyd 2006! C'mon Bob make it happen... :boxing:
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