Are you guys sick. How can you think he's overrated? Because he lost his last two matches??? That hardly makes a fighter overrated.

The overrated tag has generally been given to fighters who have padded records, instant hype, or those that have not fought quality opponents and are atop the rankings.

Roy Jones does not fit any criteria of an overrated fighter. He's no longer in the top 10 the P4P list, he's no longer the fighter that everyone wants to get their hands on AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

Over the hill, past his prime, not what he used to be. Those are the tags that he deserves, not overrated.

Are you guys sick. How can you think he's overrated? Because he lost his last two matches??? That hardly makes a fighter overrated.

The overrated tag has generally been given to fighters who have padded records, instant hype, or those that have not fought quality opponents and are atop the rankings.

Roy Jones does not fit any criteria of an overrated fighter. He's no longer in the top 10 the P4P list, he's no longer the fighter that everyone wants to get their hands on AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

Over the hill, past his prime, not what he used to be. Those are the tags that he deserves, not overrated.


I agree.

Now, I was once a critic of Roy & the way he was handling his business a few years back.
But, I never let that cloud how I viewed his abilities or accomplishments.

What people need to realize is that Jones had been near or at the top of the lb4lb ratings for 10 years. TEN YEARS !
During those years, he was probably the most unbeatable fighter in history.

He was a pain in the ass, & obnoxious at times....but a real fight fan sees through that & realizes how incredible he was.

Right on guys.

The overrated tag has generally been given to fighters who have padded records, instant hype, or those that have not fought quality opponents and are atop the rankings.

Padded Records: Bryant Brannon, Richard Frazier, Glen Kelly, Antoine Byrd, David Telesco, Derrick Harmon, Tony Thornton.
Instant Hype: John Ruiz
No Quality Opposition: 1994-2004

All I'm saying is he did what he did, and thats all that can be said.

All I'm saying is you're wrong. With the exceptions of Bryant, Frazier and Kelley, those guys were legitimate contenders. All top-ten rated contenders, and not by the WBC or any other organization, but by the Ring. Don't quibble, it's a fact. Superstars? Nah. Solid pros, sure. Roy Jones made solid pros look like rank amateurs. The only reason you're giving Tarver any credit as a fighter is because he beat Jones.

All I'm saying is you're an idiot.
All I'm saying is Jones is overrated.

All I'm saying is Jones is overrated.
Sorry about that. I was mad. I deleted it, though. And again, you're wrong.

Sorry about that. I was mad. I deleted it, though. And again, you're wrong.
My bad as well. And again, Jones could've been something bigger than what he was, but opted instead to fight Richard Frazier and Bryant Brannon. I'm not calling him Johnny Saxton here, I'm just saying he could've been fighting better opposition. You're going to tell me Lennox Lewis was running from him so he had to settle for John Ruiz?

My bad as well. And again, Jones could've been something bigger than what he was, but opted instead to fight Richard Frazier and Bryant Brannon. I'm not calling him Johnny Saxton here, I'm just saying he could've been fighting better opposition. You're going to tell me Lennox Lewis was running from him so he had to settle for John Ruiz?
I'm saying Jones was a bad manager, not a bad fighter. He made dumb career decisions (i.e., dropping back down to light heavyweight after dominating there for so long instead of making Tarver come up to him). All we really know about Jones at heavyweight is that when he fought there he beat the **** out of a legitimate top-five fighter and didn't even have to breathe hard doing it.

Padded Records: Bryant Brannon, Richard Frazier, Glen Kelly, Antoine Byrd, David Telesco, Derrick Harmon, Tony Thornton.
Instant Hype: John Ruiz
No Quality Opposition: 1994-2004

Nice try... Unfortunately, your opinion is a little too out there to be taken seriously. Calling his opponents "no quality" is a disgrace to the sport of boxing, and to your "reputaion beyond repute" here at BoxingScene. Between the years of 1994-2004, Jones beat everyone.

James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Wood
Eric Lucas
Reggie Johnson
Otis Grant
Lou del Valle
Virgil Hill
Montell Griffin
Mike McCallum
Vinny Pazienza
Jorge Castro and
Jorge Vaca

I also think your definition of padded record is a little hazy. Padded record means a fight in which the winner proclaims to be career making or a career defining bout but is really a mandatory chump, or a big payday, or a challenger who he'd like to **** up. Jones didn't stake his career or his P4P ranking on any of these bouts that you have seemingly pulled out of the 50 plus fight "hat" of Roy Jones.

I've decided not to entertain the John Ruiz comment. You and I both know that was a good fight for Roy. He couldn't turn it down.

Roy is not overrated. He is not underrated. He is simply one of the best of all time, and he would have a chance vs any fighter in his prime.

He was selective at times, and so were many fighters who are all-time greats. Don't detract from Roy based on his recent losses at an advanced age.

Roy is not overated but he is done now, and he should stay done.

Do I even need to say anything?

Do I even need to say anything?



No, don't waste your time. You have no credibility in these types of boxing related subjects.
We'll call you when the next Klitschko thread gets created.

yea i totally agree...watch roy jones fight...he makes all of his opponents look terrible because of how quick he was. He does to well known fighters what msot fighters can do only to their opening competition.

I used to think maybe jones jr was overrated because of his last few fights. But, now that I've seen him fight in his prime, there's no way that he was overrated. How many titles did he win in how many wieght classes? He beat some tuff competition as well, it's not like he just crused on through.

how is roy jones overrated

everyone says he fought bums, but he just made em look like bums, he made Hopkins look foolish, he made Toney look foolish, but u know how good those fighters are

No, don't waste your time. You have no credibility in these types of boxing related subjects.
We'll call you when the next Klitschko thread gets created.

Well at least you realize that I am the board's Klitschko expert.

I wonder where all the people that said Jones is overrated in other threads are. Goes to prove that most of them have no idea what they're talking about.

Roy Jones is one of the most
gifted atlethes in the history of box
he made all of his opponents
look like amateurs.
i see not point on continuing this thread
we all know Jones is one of the best ever.

Roy Jones is one of the most
gifted atlethes in the history of box
he made all of hs opponents
look like amateurs.
i see not point on continuing this thread
we all know Jones is one of the bast ever.
He was a very talented fighter :boxing: ,i wish he fought bigger names instead of fighting bum ass manditories.

He was good but ppl make him seem like a god...He was talented he had speed and some pop in his punches, but who he fought? Nard in 93 and John Ruiz...But we can't blame him either cuz of the lack of good fighters in that division when he was on top...

He was a very talented fighter :boxing: ,i wish he fought bigger names instead of fighting bum ass manditories.

you calling
B-Hop
James Toney
Clinton Wood
bum's????
tell me you are kidding.

you calling
B-Hop
James Toney
Clinton Wood
bum's????
tell me you are kidding.
And thats were it stops.The rest were just bum ass manditories.Where would you rank him all time?

I can add more names to that list...

Antonio Tarver, John Ruiz, Lou Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Eric Lucas, Eric Harding, Thulane Malinga, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, Merqui Sosa and I'm sure there are more I am forgetting.

These were all good fighters, and Roy made most of them look like asses.

And thats were it stops.The rest were just bum ass manditories.Where would you rank him all time?


Athleticaly amazing
but if we go to skills,
idk if he makes my top 10.

i mean there is soo many;
Ali
Marciano
Chavez
Robinson
Hagler
Fraizer
Dempsey
Tyson (in his prime)
F.Patterson
B-Hop (even tho he lost to RJJ, i think he is better)
Cory Spinks
even Mayweather.

just some real good ones

even tho he lost to RJJ, i think he is better

The only way that makes any sense is if you feel that Hopkins has better TECHNIQUE than Roy. I would agree. Head to head though Roy wins in his prime 9 outta 10.

"they have the nerve to say i aint fight nobdy, i just make em' look like nobodY"

The only way that makes any sense is if you feel that Hopkins has better TECHNIQUE than Roy. I would agree. Head to head though Roy wins in his prime 9 outta 10.


yeah but RJJ relays more in his speed
B-Hop is more of an all around figther.

I can add more names to that list...

Antonio Tarver, John Ruiz, Lou Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Eric Lucas, Eric Harding, Thulane Malinga, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, Merqui Sosa and I'm sure there are more I am forgetting.

These were all good fighters, and Roy made most of them look like asses.
Why do people always say Ruiz sucks but when people name Roy Jones's good opponents he's up there.

i just don't understand what ypu are trying to say. If you are saying Hops has better technique, I agree with you. He has better "textbook" skills. If you are saying he is the better man in the ring then I disagree with you, although I think both fighters are all-time greats.

i just don't understand what ypu are trying to say. If you are saying Hops has better technique, I agree with you. He has better "textbook" skills. If you are saying he is the better man in the ring then I disagree with you, although I think both fighters are all-time greats.


I think RJJ's style relays too much on his atletic skills,
B-Hop is a better technicall figther, wich allows B-Hop to be
real good even if he looses his speed,
and If you take RJJ's speed away he is in deep ****( just look at his last two fights)

I think RJJ's style relays too much on his atletic skills,
B-Hop is a better technicall figther, wich allows B-Hop to be
real good even if he looses his speed,
and If you take RJJ's speed away he is in deep ****( just look at his last two fights)
If b-hop made rjj back up he could win.But it's a different story if they fought on the outside. :boxing:

I wonder where all the people that said Jones is overrated in other threads are. Goes to prove that most of them have no idea what they're talking about.

Yeah, I guess they did it for the posts..
Anyway, I don't think Roy Jones Jr. is overrated. He's one of the best things to come from the 90s..

Nice try... Unfortunately, your opinion is a little too out there to be taken seriously. Calling his opponents "no quality" is a disgrace to the sport of boxing, and to your "reputaion beyond repute" here at BoxingScene. Between the years of 1994-2004, Jones beat everyone.

James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Clinton Wood
Eric Lucas
Reggie Johnson
Otis Grant
Lou del Valle
Virgil Hill
Montell Griffin
Mike McCallum
Vinny Pazienza
Jorge Castro and
Jorge Vaca
I've decided not to entertain the John Ruiz comment. You and I both know that was a good fight for Roy. He couldn't turn it down.
My reputation, heres the difference, I have one, you don't. Wait till you have 100 posts to start speaking about reputation. As far as Jorge Vaca and Jorge Castro being world class opposition, thats laughable. Vinny Paz and Mike McCallum were done when they faced Jones. Lou Del Valle, Otis Grant, Clinton Woods, and Eric Lucas were never anything special. He was losing to Montell Griffin in the first fight before being DQ'ed. And Griffin wasn't anything, either. Hopkins and Toney are the only guys he beat that I think meant something. The John Ruiz thing was when I totally lost respect for Jones.

I've decided not to entertain the John Ruiz comment.

Brilliant move, let it slide.

Wait, let me clarify this... did we say Clinton Woods was a good fighter in this thread? I thought people had him down as a bum?

Why do people always say Ruiz sucks but when people name Roy Jones's good opponents he's up there.
Roy won big time and was undefeated for a long time! He is a future hall of famer in my book for sure

A couple of you hit the nail on the head. Roy wasn't nearly as skilled as he was talented. That doesn't mean he was overrated, just that he was destined to have an early end to his career, when his reflexes slowed and he wasn't able to get out from in front of the bigger shots. Roy hardly ever got hit with big shots a couple of years ago, and when he did get hit with them, he was moving with them and the effects were lessened. But his reactions slowed slightly, just enough that it gets him in trouble. He was a truly great fighter, with a natural skill and agility that put him in a class with Ali (and a mouth, too). Such a shame he didn't apply himself, and become a better boxer as well. If he had, he'd still have another couple of years in his prime.

Anyway, Nope. Not overrated at all, and I agree that he almost certainly deserves a spot in the boxing Hall of Fame. Natural talents like him, who rise to the pinnacle of their potential, are exceedingly rare in any sport.

Thank you all for helping me shut the Roy Jones haters up. Many people can say he was overrated, but can't explain why...

Thanks again.

I can add more names to that list...

Antonio Tarver, John Ruiz, Lou Del Valle, Virgil Hill, Eric Lucas, Eric Harding, Thulane Malinga, Reggie Johnson, Montell Griffin, Merqui Sosa and I'm sure there are more I am forgetting.

These were all good fighters, and Roy made most of them look like asses.
The only good fighter on the list you provided is Tarver. Ruiz? Give me a break. No question that Jones is a great fighter, and is one of the best, but when people compare his natural talent and ring skills to greatness, it's ridicolous. He made most of his opponents look like amateurs because they were no talented bums, i would hope he could do that. He was born with quick feet, and talent, but his ring skills are off, and the last knockouts he suffered were vicious. Ali had great ring skills and natural talent, making him A LOT better than Jones

Only an idiot would take away from what Jones has done based on his losses. Get out of here.

Ruiz was a threat to Jones based on size alone. Maligna beat some good fighters. Lucas went on to be a good champion. Tarver did as well. Griffin beat Toney twice and had his moment svs jones in the first fight, albeit short-lived. Harding just recently beat Telesco and also has a win over tarver in his prime. Lou Del Valle definitely had some skill. Virgil Hill had a great jab and went on the CRUISERWEIGHT champion, but one sstopped him with one shot.

These were all good fightes, I didn't say great, but they were good. Look at their records and acheivements. How can you say Jones was great and then say he didn't have great ring-skills, which many people, including boxing historian Bert Sugar, feel he did have in his prime.

Like I said, if you feel that way, get lost.

Thank you all for helping me shut the Roy Jones haters up. Many people can say he was overrated, but can't explain why...

Thanks again.No one hates him, no one's been shut up. It's an adult debate, not a polarised "love" "hate" slanging match between two hyperactive four-year-olds.