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Richie-G
07-18-2009, 09:43 PM
hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any information on Freddie Mills the world champion who fought from 1937-1950 who also fought joey maxim. I would be interested in finding out more about his style or maybe even seeing some footage, as he is the only world champion ever from bournemouth, where i live. Just thought I would ask seeing as some of the people on this forum are very knowledgable.

Thanks ( Green K will be given )

:)

TheGreatA
07-18-2009, 09:48 PM
Here are his two fights with Gus Lesnevich which he is most known for:

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Mills vs Bruce Wood****:

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Mills vs Paco Bueno:

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Mills vs Johnny Ralph:

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Richie-G
07-18-2009, 09:57 PM
wow thank you so much lol

Richie-G
07-18-2009, 09:58 PM
any interesting stories/ information?

Kid McCoy
07-19-2009, 08:12 AM
hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any information on Freddie Mills the world champion who fought from 1937-1950 who also fought joey maxim. I would be interested in finding out more about his style or maybe even seeing some footage, as he is the only world champion ever from bournemouth, where i live. Just thought I would ask seeing as some of the people on this forum are very knowledgable.

Thanks ( Green K will be given )

:)

One of the gamest fighters to ever step in the ring. He was no ring technician, rather a tough, relentless brawler who often shipped a lot of punishment. He was hugely popular in his day, just the sort of tonic post-war Britain needed.

He'd fight anyone, and his manager would match him with anyone, including a few he should never have been in the ring with. One time they matched him against Joe Baksi, a fully-fledged heavyweight who outweighed him by about 30lbs and gave Freddie a real beating.

I have his autobiography somewhere. I'll have to fish it out when I get a chance.

mickey malone
07-19-2009, 10:02 AM
One of the gamest fighters to ever step in the ring. He was no ring technician, rather a tough, relentless brawler who often shipped a lot of punishment. He was hugely popular in his day, just the sort of tonic post-war Britain needed.

He'd fight anyone, and his manager would match him with anyone, including a few he should never have been in the ring with. One time they matched him against Joe Baksi, a fully-fledged heavyweight who outweighed him by about 30lbs and gave Freddie a real beating.

I have his autobiography somewhere. I'll have to fish it out when I get a chance.
You won't get a better discription than this..
All I can add, is that Mills life came to a tragic & controversial end.. Similar to Sonny Liston, he was heavily involved with the local hoods (Kray Twins from East London) & was discovered dead one morning, slumped over the wheel of his parked car with a single bullet wound to the head.. No one really knows whether it was suicide or murder to this day... Neither do I...

GJC
07-19-2009, 11:28 AM
You won't get a better discription than this..
All I can add, is that Mills life came to a tragic & controversial end.. Similar to Sonny Liston, he was heavily involved with the local hoods (Kray Twins from East London) & was discovered dead one morning, slumped over the wheel of his parked car with a single bullet wound to the head.. No one really knows whether it was suicide or murder to this day... Neither do I...
Doubt it was the twins to be honest, don't buy into all this modern day robin hood revisionism but don't put them up for Freddie.
Freddie was a game fighter probably too brave for his own good especially when he used tyo go up to HW.
1st fight I went to was when my Dad took me as a pup to see Mills against Baksi, still gives me nightmares.

GJC
07-19-2009, 11:31 AM
any interesting stories/ information?
Started boxing by doing the fairground booths, i.e. last 3 rounds for ten bob. Mickey M will explain :)

mickey malone
07-19-2009, 10:15 PM
Doubt it was the twins to be honest, don't buy into all this modern day robin hood revisionism but don't put them up for Freddie.
Freddie was a game fighter probably too brave for his own good especially when he used tyo go up to HW.
1st fight I went to was when my Dad took me as a pup to see Mills against Baksi, still gives me nightmares.
His bravery was second to none.. I think he went in with Wood**** or London at heavy in a game, but losing effort..
I'd be suprised to, if it were the Krays that bumped him off.. Although he posed in several photos with them, I don't think there was ever a motive, but the circumstances were a bit suspicious.. Please don't think that I'm blackening his name, but rumors had circulated about his sexuality, & it has been suggested that something may have been going on with Ronnie Kray.. However, I have no real information to varify this, & would strongly suspect it was hearsay..

mickey malone
07-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Started boxing by doing the fairground booths, i.e. last 3 rounds for ten bob. Mickey M will explain :)
They were common place in London during the 50's & 60's, & regarded as a quicker route than the amateurs.. Trainers & promoters would often stand at the back & keep a low profile, while scouting for talent..

Kid McCoy
07-20-2009, 08:17 AM
His bravery was second to none.. I think he went in with Wood**** or London at heavy in a game, but losing effort..
I'd be suprised to, if it were the Krays that bumped him off.. Although he posed in several photos with them, I don't think there was ever a motive, but the circumstances were a bit suspicious.. Please don't think that I'm blackening his name, but rumors had circulated about his sexuality, & it has been suggested that something may have been going on with Ronnie Kray.. However, I have no real information to varify this, & would strongly suspect it was hearsay..


I've heard the homosexuality rumours, that he was "caught in the act", which was considered a disgrace in far more conservative times. There were also rumours about Freddie being heavily in debt to the wrong people, or that he got caught up in the "Jack the Stripper" murders. Guess we'll never know for sure.

Not sure if I read it in a biography or autobiography of him, but later in life he was also tortured by terrible migraines and blackouts, no doubt a result of his punishing ring career. Bit of a tragic soul, really.

mickey malone
07-20-2009, 10:16 AM
I've heard the homosexuality rumours, that he was "caught in the act", which was considered a disgrace in far more conservative times. There were also rumours about Freddie being heavily in debt to the wrong people, or that he got caught up in the "Jack the Stripper" murders. Guess we'll never know for sure.

Not sure if I read it in a biography or autobiography of him, but later in life he was also tortured by terrible migraines and blackouts, no doubt a result of his punishing ring career. Bit of a tragic soul, really.
Yeah... The more you look into it, the more suicide comes into the picture.. Just don't want some idiot to come on here, calling him a coward.. Nothing could'a been further from the truth..

Richie-G
07-20-2009, 10:29 AM
thanks guys some good info :)

sounds like a real interesting character, do you reckon his autobiography is available anywhere?

mickey malone
07-20-2009, 11:27 AM
thanks guys some good info :)

sounds like a real interesting character, do you reckon his autobiography is available anywhere?
Not sure, but look up 'Blakes' ... They've done a few old school fighters..

1SILVA
07-20-2009, 02:24 PM
hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any information on Freddie Mills the world champion who fought from 1937-1950 who also fought joey maxim. I would be interested in finding out more about his style or maybe even seeing some footage, as he is the only world champion ever from bournemouth, where i live. Just thought I would ask seeing as some of the people on this forum are very knowledgable.

Thanks ( Green K will be given )

:)

Can someone explain to me why he never gave Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles a shot at his title? Was it his fault or the powers to be? Arguably the two greatest 175 pounders and not once did they get to fight Mills for the title.

Kid McCoy
07-20-2009, 02:38 PM
Can someone explain to me why he never gave Archie Moore or Ezzard Charles a shot at his title? Was it his fault or the powers to be? Arguably the two greatest 175 pounders and not once did they get to fight Mills for the title.

Mills lost the title in his first defence against Joey Maxim, another Hall of Famer, so it's not as if he was padding the record while ignoring the top guys. Charles was heavyweight champion by that point anyway.

mickey malone
07-20-2009, 02:48 PM
Mills lost the title in his first defence against Joey Maxim, another Hall of Famer, so it's not as if he was padding the record while ignoring the top guys. Charles was heavyweight champion by that point anyway.
Spot on Kid, & Freddie was kinda lucky to do it in the 1st place.. as already mentioned, he was very game, but not that talented... Bit like Terry Downes..

1SILVA
07-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Mills lost the title in his first defence against Joey Maxim, another Hall of Famer, so it's not as if he was padding the record while ignoring the top guys. Charles was heavyweight champion by that point anyway.

Thanks for the clarification.

TheGreatA
07-20-2009, 03:35 PM
If anyone should be blamed it's Gus Lesnevich who chose to fight heavyweights in non-title bouts and defended his title against the heavily padded up Billy Fox (twice) and Freddie Mills (twice).

GJC
07-20-2009, 06:04 PM
His bravery was second to none.. I think he went in with Wood**** or London at heavy in a game, but losing effort..
I'd be suprised to, if it were the Krays that bumped him off.. Although he posed in several photos with them, I don't think there was ever a motive, but the circumstances were a bit suspicious.. Please don't think that I'm blackening his name, but rumors had circulated about his sexuality, & it has been suggested that something may have been going on with Ronnie Kray.. However, I have no real information to varify this, & would strongly suspect it was hearsay..

Twins loved having their pictures taken with anyone famous. Yeah i've heard all those stories kind of take them with a pinch of salt. As for the suicide heard convincing arguments both ways. Never know I guess.

princemanspoper
07-20-2009, 06:25 PM
Just don't want some idiot to come on here, calling him a coward.. Nothing could'a been further from the truth..

Yes but implying that he (a married man with children) had an affair with Ronald Kray simply based off a few sketchy rumors is perectly justified is it?

You are a hypocrite

mickey malone
07-21-2009, 06:00 AM
Yes but implying that he (a married man with children) had an affair with Ronald Kray simply based off a few sketchy rumors is perectly justified is it?

You are a hypocrite
No... If you read the post, I put it down to hearsay..
In a sensible debate, everything gets covered, then you come along & try to discredit the posters.. It's become a familiar pattern.. Don't forget to check your votes on the More Knowledge thread.. Someone may have voted for you..

sonnyboyx2
07-21-2009, 03:51 PM
i have an excellent BBC documentary on Freddie Mills which shows his brutal 1st round KO of Len Harvey and cronicles his life & death