I always like to watch B-Hop fight, don't get me wrong. But it's always against some average fighter like William Joppy. It's not his fault, I think it's just that the middleweight division is about as weak as the heavyweights. The only household names that he beat were Trinidad and De La Hoya and they weren't even true middleweights. He was beaten by Roy Jones Jr., a fighter who most people today recognize as the definition of "overrated". I wouldn't bring this up because he still has skills, but Hopkins and his people seem to believe that he is the greatest middleweight in history and that he has proven it. My opinion is that he came along at the right time, alot like VK in the HW division.

I always like to watch B-Hop fight, don't get me wrong. But it's always against some average fighter like William Joppy. It's not his fault, I think it's just that the middleweight division is about as weak as the heavyweights. The only household names that he beat were Trinidad and De La Hoya and they weren't even true middleweights. He was beaten by Roy Jones Jr., a fighter who most people today recognize as the definition of "overrated". I wouldn't bring this up because he still has skills, but Hopkins and his people seem to believe that he is the greatest middleweight in history and that he has proven it. My opinion is that he came along at the right time, alot like VK in the HW division.


Jones at 160 was better then the man upstairs himself, he was above god like at middleweight. Roy gets my respect for what he did to Ruiz and for what he did below 175.

Hopkins Overrated? Noway! If that was the case, Hagler was overrated. He stayed in one division and fought every top fighter who came up from a lower division.

I dont think their is anything wrong with a guy staying in one division, If that is where he can dominate and feel comfortable why not? It was Bernards intentions when he acquired the belts to make 20 defenses from the beginning. So he cant help it if the division is mediocre or possibly he just makes them look that way? You decide.


I take nothing more away from Hopkins than I do Hagler, they both get my hats off and Hopkins is a true old school type of guy in and out of the ring (maybe not out so much now).

Hopkins deserves everything he has gotten and everything he will get.

Also it isnt like Hopkins could move down to 140 or go to heavyweight to squander out a great fight. Had he went to 154 or to 175 he would still have fought the high caliber guys at the low weight and the mediocre guys at the higher weight. Bernard was stick in the middle and stayed for people to come to him.

Jones at 160 was better then the man upstairs himself, he was above god like at middleweight. Roy gets my respect for what he did to Ruiz and for what he did below 175.

Hopkins Overrated? Noway! If that was the case, Hagler was overrated. He stayed in one division and fought every top fighter who came up from a lower division.

I dont think their is anything wrong with a guy staying in one division, If that is where he can dominate and feel comfortable why not? It was Bernards intentions when he acquired the belts to make 20 defenses from the beginning. So he cant help it if the division is mediocre or possibly he just makes them look that way? You decide.


I take nothing more away from Hopkins than I do Hagler, they both get my hats off and Hopkins is a true old school type of guy in and out of the ring (maybe not out so much now).

Hopkins deserves everything he has gotten and everything he will get.

Also it isnt like Hopkins could move down to 140 or go to heavyweight to squander out a great fight. Had he went to 154 or to 175 he would still have fought the high caliber guys at the low weight and the mediocre guys at the higher weight. Bernard was stick in the middle and stayed for people to come to him.
Of course he deserves it. My point was that he doesn't have the resume to be considered the best middleweight of all time. Hagler at least had Leonard and Hearnes, two of the best fighters at that weight we've ever seen. Even though they moved up in weight alot like De La Hoya, they were still elite opponents who were far beyond the skill of ANY fighter B-Hop has fought. The opponents B-Hop has faced can be considered decent, but he hasn't beaten any great fighters to deserve the "Best Middleweight Ever" award. It's definitely not all his fault, but that still doesn't prove anything. I have so many boxing-obsessed friends and co-workers who say the same thing so I know it can't just be me.

he DESTROYED Tito

Tito didn't win one round, so he showed nothin wrong.

The only household names that he beat were Trinidad and De La Hoya and they weren't even true middleweights. My opinion is that he came along at the right time, alot like VK in the HW division.
If you base a guy's legacy on the "household names" he's fought and beat, then you don't know too much about the fight game. Since when does "pop culture" dictate who's who?

As far as "coming along at the right time", don't you mean "being at the top of the Middle scene for 12 years"?

Also, why do you think guys like DLH and Tito wanted to fight Hops? They were looking for Legacy and Status, which comes from beating a guy like Hops.

Also I have heard B Hop say repeatedly that he is in the top 5 middleweights of all time, but not in the top 3. I don't think anyone has ever called him the best middleweight ever, he holds the record number of title defenses and if he brags about that, let him.

he DESTROYED Tito

Tito didn't win one round, so he showed nothin wrong.
Forget Tito. Tito got a gift decision vs. De la Hoya, a fighter who doesn't even belong at middleweight and got embarrassed by both Hopkins and Sturm. I give B-Hop credit for fighting a credible welterweight, even though it was a mismatch. The middleweight division is just fuked up. I hope that a contender comes up and fights B-Hop before it is too late and he retires. Jermain Taylor is on the rise, but B-Hop won't fight him, so maybe if someone with less talent comes along, we can see him in a real fight.

If you base a guy's legacy on the "household names" he's fought and beat, then you don't know too much about the fight game. Since when does "pop culture" dictate who's who?

As far as "coming along at the right time", don't you mean "being at the top of the Middle scene for 12 years"?

Also, why do you think guys like DLH and Tito wanted to fight Hops? They were looking for Legacy and Status, which comes from beating a guy like Hops.
Don't fool yourself. The middleweight championship has long been portrayed as the next best thing compared to the heavyweight crown. That's why they fought him, because he's the middleweight champ.

Man who does this lil punk think he is. B-hop is one of the best middle weights ever! And yer gonna start a thread sayin he is OVERATED????? WTF!!! I guess you need to sound cool or something. Man these kids always starting threads like this. Was DLH overrated, was Lewis overrated, was Chavez overrated, etc... man give it a rest and quit trying to look smart cause you sound like an idiot! B-Hop is in no way overated :tool:

Man who does this lil punk think he is. B-hop is one of the best middle weights ever! And yer gonna start a thread sayin he is OVERATED????? WTF!!! I guess you need to sound cool or something. Man these kids always starting threads like this. Was DLH overrated, was Lewis overrated, was Chavez overrated, etc... man give it a rest and quit trying to look smart cause you sound like an idiot! B-Hop is in no way overated :tool:
A kid? Not quite. Please don't try to flatter yourself by acting like an internet tough guy. Overrated? Yes. I always have discussions about this with people who tend to agree. Do you actually think your opinion matters when I have so many other people who actually have lives telling me the exact opposite? Yeah, right. This was supposed to be a discussion, not a place where losers go to get rid of their insecurities like you appear to be doing. Go out and get a girlfriend and stop intruding on my thread.:p

A kid? Not quite. Please don't try to flatter yourself by acting like an internet tough guy. Overrated? Yes. I always have discussions about this with people who tend to agree. Do you actually think your opinion matters when I have so many other people who actually have lives telling me the exact opposite? Yeah, right. This was supposed to be a discussion, not a place where losers go to get rid of their insecurities like you appear to be doing. Go out and get a girlfriend and stop intruding on my thread.:p
These threads have been done a million times and if you think bhop is overated that just shows you know jack about boxing!
But what can I expect you are from the south!

SOrry, but what does being from the south have to do with boxing? I guess about as much as being from the north, east, or west...NOTHING. And this is coming from a guy that is supposed to be 6 years graduated. I guess I should thank you for making our education system look top-notch.

Definitely overrated.

Reports that he's the second coming of Hagler are greatly over exaggerated.

Oscar De La Hoya
William Joppy
Felix Trinidad
Antwun Echols
Glen Johnson


All credible wins and along with his defense amount he gets his legacy.

It all depends on how good of a fighter you think Tito is. That was the fight that really made him a marquee name and gave him his aura of invincibility. He has had many fights where he looked like ****, but he has also had a few fights where he looked brilliant.

I like Hopkins as a fighter how can you not respect a man whos still fighting at forty. He's an example of what can be done with alot of hard work. I am pretty sure he will get past Eastman and then he should fight Johnson but Johnson says he is fighting Tarver first so make that fight later in the year it would be a fascinating fight. If I were Hopkins I would take Jermain Taylor to school first in the summer and then fight Johnson.
Noway is he overrated.

Hopkins overrated? no. The greatest? no. top 10 greatest middlewieghts? sure

I always like to watch B-Hop fight, don't get me wrong. But it's always against some average fighter like William Joppy. It's not his fault, I think it's just that the middleweight division is about as weak as the heavyweights. The only household names that he beat were Trinidad and De La Hoya and they weren't even true middleweights. He was beaten by Roy Jones Jr., a fighter who most people today recognize as the definition of "overrated". I wouldn't bring this up because he still has skills, but Hopkins and his people seem to believe that he is the greatest middleweight in history and that he has proven it. My opinion is that he came along at the right time, alot like VK in the HW division.

you really cant call hopkins overrated,
i mean the guy beated :boxing: every middle weight there is,
he is one of the best ever!!!.

his opposition has always been the best avialable,
so even if you think its a weak oppisition there is no way for
B-Hop to have a say over it.
plus the guy is 40 and he is still messing people up!!!

I think he is.

He has some very great accomplishments under his name. The first guy to win all four belts, the most amount of defenses, and the quickest KO in middleweight history...and like Spinks said he has some credible opposition who he beat on his record also..

Oscar De La Hoya
William Joppy
Felix Trinidad
Antwun Echols
Glen Johnson


All credible wins and along with his defense amount he gets his legacy.
Wow, what a great record :rolleyes: , he is overrated, on a scale to 1-10, he is an 8, both Oscar, and Trinidad are 9's.

Wow, what a great record :rolleyes: , he is overrated, on a scale to 1-10, he is an 8, both Oscar, and Trinidad are 9's.


He is definately in the top 5 of all time and if you beg to differ list your top 5.

He is definately in the top 5 of all time and if you beg to differ list your top 5.Top 5? How could he be considered top 5, when the biggest fight he had, with a natural middleweight, he lost, with Roy jones? Roy Jones top 5, thats a disgrace to fighters who fought real contenders in the middleweight divsion, and won.

Top 5? How could he be considered top 5, when the biggest fight he had, with a natural middleweight, he lost, with Roy jones? Roy Jones top 5, thats a disgrace to fighters who fought real contenders in the middleweight divsion, and won.


LIST LIST LIST.

Of course he deserves it. My point was that he doesn't have the resume to be considered the best middleweight of all time. Hagler at least had Leonard and Hearnes, two of the best fighters at that weight we've ever seen. Even though they moved up in weight alot like De La Hoya, they were still elite opponents who were far beyond the skill of ANY fighter B-Hop has fought. The opponents B-Hop has faced can be considered decent, but he hasn't beaten any great fighters to deserve the "Best Middleweight Ever" award. It's definitely not all his fault, but that still doesn't prove anything. I have so many boxing-obsessed friends and co-workers who say the same thing so I know it can't just be me.
the Hagler of today is Trinidad and the Leonard of today is Oscar DLH, B-Hop has no match out there :boxing:

Hes about to do the big 20, theres nothing you can say about that.

Anyone who claims Hopkins is overrated is either new to the sport or belongs in a mental hospital

Don't fool yourself. The middleweight championship has long been portrayed as the next best thing compared to the heavyweight crown. That's why they fought him, because he's the middleweight champ.
Agreed 100%, Full Stop.

Now we've got the Feather scene of the 2000's looking like the Middle scene of the 80's.

ScramWarrior: Comparing Vitali's "conquests" to-date, as Champ, to Hopkins' opponents as Champ, is just plain silly, really.

In the Heavy scene today, where do you find the equivalent of Echols? Who in the Heavy scene would be Vitali's Trinidad? Maybe if Vitali can reign for 12 years like Hops, then maybe these guys will come along and help Vitali build a legacy. But, I believe Vitali will not pass these tests, as Hops has.

Of course he deserves it. My point was that he doesn't have the resume to be considered the best middleweight of all time. Hagler at least had Leonard and Hearnes, two of the best fighters at that weight we've ever seen. Even though they moved up in weight alot like De La Hoya, they were still elite opponents who were far beyond the skill of ANY fighter B-Hop has fought. The opponents B-Hop has faced can be considered decent, but he hasn't beaten any great fighters to deserve the "Best Middleweight Ever" award. It's definitely not all his fault, but that still doesn't prove anything. I have so many boxing-obsessed friends and co-workers who say the same thing so I know it can't just be me.

Was sugar ray leonard that great at middleweight?