I have a serious question. I have just rewatched the JMM - Pacquiao fight. I have heard that he says he broke his hand early in the fight. If that is true it would really give me a little insight into how that fight went down. If anyone has actual information can they let me know. I know Pacquiao has been ripped into for his socks comment but I'm not questioning his heart or abilities. He is a great fighter that I love to watch. But is the hand an excuse or was it actually broken. I didn't see where it happened if it did.

excuses i had the fight
JMM skills did the trick :)

excuses i had the fight
JMM skills did the trick :)
The worse excuse was from Barrera..."I was not myself during the fight"

What was he thinking when he made that excuse...He might have a split personality!!! lol

His hand wasnt actually broken. It was a little swollen but thats normal. He kept throwing it full force the whole fight.

His hand wasnt actually broken. It was a little swollen but thats normal. He kept throwing it full force the whole fight.

I didn't think that after the second round he was throwing the straight left as fiercly. He did only when getting hit first by JMM. He did have a few really good moments in the later rounds though. But in general I don't think the only reason he wasn't able to blitz JMM was that JMM went onto his normal game plan. Just my thoughts.

And to the other two. Please do not take this into a back and forth on my thread. It is possible to have a discussion about Pacquiao without having Morales fans and Pacquiao fans saying that they are each nut huggers. It's true! Really!

I have a serious question. I have just rewatched the JMM - Pacquiao fight. I have heard that he says he broke his hand early in the fight. If that is true it would really give me a little insight into how that fight went down. If anyone has actual information can they let me know. I know Pacquiao has been ripped into for his socks comment but I'm not questioning his heart or abilities. He is a great fighter that I love to watch. But is the hand an excuse or was it actually broken. I didn't see where it happened if it did.
His left hand was really swollen and his feet was full of blisters

I have a serious question. I have just rewatched the JMM - Pacquiao fight. I have heard that he says he broke his hand early in the fight. If that is true it would really give me a little insight into how that fight went down. If anyone has actual information can they let me know. I know Pacquiao has been ripped into for his socks comment but I'm not questioning his heart or abilities. He is a great fighter that I love to watch. But is the hand an excuse or was it actually broken. I didn't see where it happened if it did.

Watch the 3rd round again with 1:46 left. Pac throws a left, then shakes it like it hurted. It landed on top of JMM's head. You can see him grimace in pain. After the 6th round, Pac tells Roach in his corner his foot is hurt. Was he hurt? No question.

Here is how I saw the fight:
Pacquiao - Rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

Marquez - Rounds 3, 4, 5, 6

Then Round 12 is a toss-up it can go either way.

And even when you give to Marquez, Pacquiao should have won but was robbed.

On round 7, Pacquiao learned how to block Marquez' punch to the head by putting his arms steady and up high and then Pacquiao counterpunched.

Any other way of seeing it are either blind or in somebody's payroll. This is the fairest assestment I can deliver.

I didn't think that after the second round he was throwing the straight left as fiercly. He did only when getting hit first by JMM. He did have a few really good moments in the later rounds though. But in general I don't think the only reason he wasn't able to blitz JMM was that JMM went onto his normal game plan. Just my thoughts.

JMM got caught with the same straight left throughout the whole fight. They landed clean although JMM didn't go down like teh first round. Same punch, different effect? Marquez's chin suddenly got better as the fight went on? Nah. You're absolutely right Pac's left wasn't as fierce as it was in the first. Gee, I wonder why? And even better observation you made. He only threw it with intent when JMM landed first to keep Marquez from taking control of the fight.

Here is how I saw the fight:
Pacquiao - Rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

Marquez - Rounds 3, 4, 5, 6

Then Round 12 is a toss-up it can go either way.

And even when you give to Marquez, Pacquiao should have won but was robbed.

On round 7, Pacquiao learned how to block Marquez' punch to the head by putting his arms steady and up high and then Pacquiao counterpunched.

Any other way of seeing it are either blind or in somebody's payroll. This is the fairest assestment I can deliver.

I gave it 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez. This is giving the close rounds to JMM. Even with this scoring, Pac should have gotten the nod.

i was a pac fan before the fight and i was a marquez fan after the fight they are both badass's. Any excuse from pac doesn't amount to much because marquez needs no excuses after the comeback he made happen. (maybe marquez had a plan to let pac break his hands on his face and it almost worked)

Pac hurt his left around round three. He could not throw it with more authority after that for fear of hurting it more. On a side note, as a p4p fighter, I think pac should not make a really big fuss of the foot blisters. Weathering injuries during a bout is expected in world class fighters. By the way, I'm a pac fan.

Pac hurt his left around round three. He could not throw it with more authority after that for fear of hurting it more. On a side note, as a p4p fighter, I think pac should not make a really big fuss of the foot blisters. Weathering injuries during a bout is expected in world class fighters. By the way, I'm a pac fan.
ofcourse u r
u mentioned him as a p4p fighter
lmao

I gave it 7 rounds to 5 for Marquez. This is giving the close rounds to JMM. Even with this scoring, Pac should have gotten the nod.
You scored too many rounds for Pac. JMM pretty much won every round after the 1st except for a couple. I rooted for Pac, but I thought JMM deserved the win after neutralizing him for most of the fight.

Let me know if anyone doesn't have this fight that want's to take another look and I will upload it and put it up in the download section tomorrow in the am.

It really is a hard fight to score. There are a few pivotal close rounds. I'm going to score it again and see how I come out. Last time I think I had it by one point or two for JMM. Funny thing is I picked up boxing not that long ago and from the clips Pacquiao was the guy I was rooting for going into it. I hadn't heard of JMM and his style seemed effective but not as fun to watch as Pac Man's. I now have great respect for the both of them. Although I was upset that the rematch didn't get made and it seemed like JMM was asking for more than his fare share. He isn't the draw of the two of them.

You scored too many rounds for Pac. JMM pretty much won every round after the 1st except for a couple. I rooted for Pac, but I thought JMM deserved the win after neutralizing him for most of the fight.
Marquez never floored Pac...he does not have what it takes! Pacman proves otherwise! Its clear Pacman should have won the fight!

You scored too many rounds for Pac. JMM pretty much won every round after the 1st except for a couple. I rooted for Pac, but I thought JMM deserved the win after neutralizing him for most of the fight.

"JMM pretty much won EVERY round after the first except for a couple."


Quit smoking that ****. You got sucked into the "hype" of the comeback.

ofcourse u r
u mentioned him as a p4p fighter
lmao

:D What a surprise Abdiel. I was expecting something better. What a lame and cheap jab. Try posting something that makes it look like your doing this for recreation. It's really weak on the power meter. Trust me, you can do better kiddo. :D

Well, I like El Terrible a lot. A complete fighter I don't under estimate. He's gonna give pac a war.

Pacs hand was hurt but not enough to make him throw with less authority.

I have a serious question. I have just rewatched the JMM - Pacquiao fight. I have heard that he says he broke his hand early in the fight. If that is true it would really give me a little insight into how that fight went down. If anyone has actual information can they let me know. I know Pacquiao has been ripped into for his socks comment but I'm not questioning his heart or abilities. He is a great fighter that I love to watch. But is the hand an excuse or was it actually broken. I didn't see where it happened if it did.


The only person who can answer your question is Pac himself. Try reading his interview at KO magazine where he was the cover. He stated that he hurt his hand during/after the first round and believed that a flyweight could hit harder than him during the rest of the fight. He then had to change plan after he knew he can't knock Marquez anymore. He thought that if he doesn't get KO he will win the fight. Like most boxers do during a fight, he had to hide that he hurt himself.

I personnally believe Pacquiao on this coz at the start of the 2nd round people thought JMM had figured him out so suddenly.

JMM knows this that's why he backed out of a rematch or get lotsa money for his retirement.

The worse excuse was from Barrera..."I was not myself during the fight"

What was he thinking when he made that excuse...He might have a split personality!!! lol

Why everytime pac-man's name gets brought up reguarding a fight barrera always gets mentioned? is that really the only big named fighter he's beaten? Just looked at his recorded on boxrec.com and i really didn't notice to many names on the resume I mean with 50 fight under him anyone should be able to recognize more than 5 names on the list.

Why everytime pac-man's name gets brought up reguarding a fight barrera always gets mentioned? is that really the only big named fighter he's beaten? Just looked at his recorded on boxrec.com and i really didn't notice to many names on the resume I mean with 50 fight under him anyone should be able to recognize more than 5 names on the list.

just ignore him

These facts compliment each other.

1. When Pac's wraps was removed, his left hand was seen to be swollen. X-Ray showed it got sprained.

2. Pac's foot was seen by the reporters to be blistered.

3. Marquez opted to price himself out of a fight he is supposed to take easy. Why did he do that? Answer: Marquez knows something that we don't. Marquez felt something that we didn't. And that thing that he felt could be: Pacquiao wasn't even 100% and he got knocked down 3 times, got his nose broken, and despite being a perfect counter puncher, only managed to land 10 more punches than Pacquiao.

Pac's hand was really swollen. It was broadcasted here in the philippines directly after the fight. Pac was interviewed still in his boxing shorts and he was crying, saying he could have performed better if not for the hand. He showed it off-it was really swollen. Now, try punching something with a sprained hand. The swollen part of his hand was just above his wrist. But.................. a fight is a fight.... It's not like Pac punched a brick wall to have caused that. It was JMMS head. So it's still a fair fight for me. Every factor counts.

Pacmans left hand was sprained not broken, but badly swollen when he showed it to the press after the fight. Not an excuse, but plain and simple truth.

I thought he had a hairline. I recall roach saying that Manny was taken to the hospital and he was diagnosed with a hairline fracture. I know I read this somewhere. Anyway I was at the post fight interview and noticed Pac's hands were badly swollen. I wondered how he was able to punch. Anyway ish happens in a course of a fight and Marquez survived fair and square. It's the rematch I can't wait to see.

pretty good discussion going round here... jmm deserves some praise as manny, so the draw seemed to be justified...

These facts compliment each other.

1. When Pac's wraps was removed, his left hand was seen to be swollen. X-Ray showed it got sprained.

2. Pac's foot was seen by the reporters to be blistered.

3. Marquez opted to price himself out of a fight he is supposed to take easy. Why did he do that? Answer: Marquez knows something that we don't. Marquez felt something that we didn't. And that thing that he felt could be: Pacquiao wasn't even 100% and he got knocked down 3 times, got his nose broken, and despite being a perfect counter puncher, only managed to land 10 more punches than Pacquiao.
nice post... the third point could very well be the best reason IMO for marquez to back out, but i don't think he really chickened out because he was scared. he trained intensively as early as november, and trained hard as the press have written. it's all about money IMO. put your self in his position, do you want to be beat by powerful punches and only get some spare change??? i don't think so... but what the heck, bottomline is, he backed out... end of story...

severely swollen

nice post... the third point could very well be the best reason IMO for marquez to back out, but i don't think he really chickened out because he was scared. he trained intensively as early as november, and trained hard as the press have written. it's all about money IMO. put your self in his position, do you want to be beat by powerful punches and only get some spare change??? i don't think so... but what the heck, bottomline is, he backed out... end of story...
i agree, a boxer who backed out a fight has alot of things to do to redeem himself

after this what will marquez do? it has been proven that manny will take on whoever stands in his way, marquez is different, i don't know why

The worse excuse was from Barrera..."I was not myself during the fight"

What was he thinking when he made that excuse...He might have a split personality!!! lol
why are you such sore loser :boxing:
why do you get barrera involve in this?
you look smarter than that :)

I think the Morales/Pac fight will prove or disprove if Barrera was indeed himself that night. If Pac wins big then it could be that Pac is just to good. Anything other than a big win by Pac should warrant Barrera getting his rematch. But I think Marquez should be the first one to tango. I'm sure a MAB/PAC 2 will take precedence over a JMM/PAC 2 because it will make more dinero.

why are you such sore loser :boxing:
why do you get barrera involve in this?
you look smarter than that :)
dude, just ignore him...

I think the Morales/Pac fight will prove or disprove if Barrera was indeed himself that night. If Pac wins big then it could be that Pac is just to good. Anything other than a big win by Pac should warrant Barrera getting his rematch. But I think Marquez should be the first one to tango. I'm sure a MAB/PAC 2 will take precedence over a JMM/PAC 2 because it will make more dinero.
good point... with the hype given by fans to the JMM-MP rematch, i think hbo will come to realize that everybody wants the fight, then hbo will see huge dollars once again... i juts hope they offer the champion a justifiable purse...

Roach said in a recent interview that Manny's hand did suffer a fracture early on in the fight which is why he couldnt' throw it with bad intentions any longer. They didn't leak that out to the media though. Hmmm.

I think the Morales/Pac fight will prove or disprove if Barrera was indeed himself that night. If Pac wins big then it could be that Pac is just to good. Anything other than a big win by Pac should warrant Barrera getting his rematch. But I think Marquez should be the first one to tango. I'm sure a MAB/PAC 2 will take precedence over a JMM/PAC 2 because it will make more dinero.

I dont think that it will prove the Barrera fight a fluke or anything like that even if Morales wins big. Barrera simply couldnt see the opening and his heart gave out mid fight he didnt wanna go anymore. Barrera was effective everytime he used his right hand but he came under fire and he couldnt see it. He panicked did what came more naturally and that was using his left. Pacquiao took advantage of the exposure of Barreras left cheek and that was it.

Basically Barrera's style played perfectly into Manny's thats all.

Basically Barrera's style played perfectly into Manny's thats all.

I agree!! Good point!! :boxing:

Wow this is a great thread. I was worried there would be a lot of back and forth stupidity and there were only a few. There were a lot of great points. I'm going to take a look at rounds One and three since those were the two rounds mentioned. I agree that Pacquiao had to have something wrong with his hand. Several people have said that they saw it after the fight whether here or in the Phillipines. I know it is not an excuse, just a factor to keep in mind for the upcoming fight(s). That being said I can't wait for Pac Man - Morales. No matter who wins it will be a great fight. And the best part is, no matter who wins there are enough matchups between the three Mexicans and Pacqauio to make a round robin. Who wouldn't want to see Pac - JMM 2, Barrera - Morales 4, Barrera - Pac 2, JMM - (Barrera and/or Morales)? Those would all be amazing.

And if you want to get this fight PM me. It'll be up in the morning. First 25 gets it from yousendit.com. It's one 396 MB file just so you know.

Barrera is one of my fav fighters, Pacquiao beat him fair and square, i would love to see a rematch, but Pacquaio will Destroy MORALES, worse then barrera did.

Apart from the x-rays, the interview showing swollen hands and blistered foot, the grimaces between rounds in the corner, one just have to be observant- that's all. Observant on how the bout started and progressed. Observant on how Pacman fought his previous and next fights. One does not have to be genius, just observant. That knowing how explosive and relentless Pacman fought in his previous fights and even the Barrera fight, it is beyond belief how he could not finish JMM after puting him down three times in 3 mins. Beyond reason that he could not even put him down (not out, ok?) again in the next 11 rounds. JMM was never down 3 times in a row, and Pacman never did this to Barrera, but finished him and pounded him round by round until he surrendered. If you do not see anything wrong with that, man I don't know what wrong means now! With 3 KD's to your credit, and with 2 belts up for grabs, how could an explosive and relentless fighter like Pacman just let it go up in the air like that, if there was nothing wrong? Of course, only a rematch can really settle this score. So I hope after Pacman-Morales, we would see JMM-Pacman 2 finally.

Barrera is one of my fav fighters, Pacquiao beat him fair and square, i would love to see a rematch, but Pacquaio will Destroy MORALES, worse then barrera did.
no way jose stop smoking that **** is melting your brain :) :D

morales will destroy pacman big time

no way jose stop smoking that **** is melting your brain :) :D

morales will destroy pacman big time
Another brainless remark!!! tsk tsk tsk!!!

Apart from the x-rays, the interview showing swollen hands and blistered foot, the grimaces between rounds in the corner, one just have to be observant- that's all. Observant on how the bout started and progressed. Observant on how Pacman fought his previous and next fights. One does not have to be genius, just observant. That knowing how explosive and relentless Pacman fought in his previous fights and even the Barrera fight, it is beyond belief how he could not finish JMM after puting him down three times in 3 mins. Beyond reason that he could not even put him down (not out, ok?) again in the next 11 rounds. JMM was never down 3 times in a row, and Pacman never did this to Barrera, but finished him and pounded him round by round until he surrendered. If you do not see anything wrong with that, man I don't know what wrong means now! With 3 KD's to your credit, and with 2 belts up for grabs, how could an explosive and relentless fighter like Pacman just let it go up in the air like that, if there was nothing wrong? Of course, only a rematch can really settle this score. So I hope after Pacman-Morales, we would see JMM-Pacman 2 finally.

I also hope that they make JMM-Pacman 2. I would even consider seeing it in person. It is sure to be a great fight.

Three knockdowns in one round....all courtesy of a healthy left hand.

Nothing of note after that, & after the suspected left hand injury.


Pacquiao really needs to develop something besides his left hand, don't you think ?

why are you such sore loser :boxing:
why do you get barrera involve in this?
you look smarter than that :)
Hey Mr. Idiot...Is your brain so small that you can't think anymore? The please read the post again! I was repling with a different post...Moron!

:rolleyes: speedracer read the title of the thread,

it defintely says WITHOUT ANY INSULTS,

can you manage that just for once.

Three knockdowns in one round....all courtesy of a healthy left hand.

Nothing of note after that, & after the suspected left hand injury.


Pacquiao really needs to develop something besides his left hand, don't you think ?
Right now he is developing jis right hand...That would be the biggest surprise of the match!

Right now he is developing jis right hand...That would be the biggest surprise of the match!


JEEZ I NEVER KNEW YOU WERE FREDDIE ROACH :D I should have guessed though from the in depth analysis and all round general boxing knowledge you display bro.

silly me. :rolleyes:

Interview with speedracer freddie roach:

Interveiwer: so how do you see Pac handling the naturally bigger man

Speedracer Roach: F*ck you man , manny is the best he aint smaller he just looks like he is, Morales is wearing high heels for sure, plus youre just a freak.

Interviewer: Erm ok, how was your charge been preparing for this one of the biggest fights of his career?

Sracer Roach: Freak he dont need to train to put it bad on Maorels ass, morales is a chicken he aint never fought no one, manny is gonna whoop him good, philipinnes forever yeaaaaah freak you gay freak :rolleyes:


etc etc etc etc. :p

JEEZ I NEVER KNEW YOU WERE FREDDIE ROACH :D I should have guessed though from the in depth analysis and all round general boxing knowledge you display bro.

silly me. :rolleyes:

Interview with speedracer freddie roach:

Interveiwer: so how do you see Pac handling the naturally bigger man

Speedracer Roach: F*ck you man , manny is the best he aint smaller he just looks like he is, Morales is wearing high heels for sure, plus youre just a freak.

Interviewer: Erm ok, how was your charge been preparing for this one of the biggest fights of his career?

Sracer Roach: Freak he dont need to train to put it bad on Maorels ass, morales is a chicken he aint never fought no one, manny is gonna whoop him good, philipinnes forever yeaaaaah freak you gay freak :rolleyes:


etc etc etc etc. :p
Read my lip..."HOMO FREAK"

you prove my point :D
secondly im sorry that only have one lip, that must be holding you back in life. PLus you must be one ugly mofo.

thirdly the whole board now knows that youre just a silly little boy who blindly follows his hero and knows nothing about boxing at all hurling churlish and childish insults around for no good reason.

I shall now treat you as such.

bye bye baba :bottle: :bottle: :bottle:

you prove my point :D
secondly im sorry that only have one lip, that must be holding you back in life. PLus you must be one ugly mofo.

thirdly the whole board now knows that youre just a silly little boy who blindly follows his hero and knows nothing about boxing at all hurling churlish and childish insults around for no good reason.

I shall now treat you as such.

bye bye baba :bottle: :bottle: :bottle:
Ok starting right now i'll treat you like a **** sucking ***!

you prove my point :D
secondly im sorry that only have one lip, that must be holding you back in life. PLus you must be one ugly mofo.

thirdly the whole board now knows that youre just a silly little boy who blindly follows his hero and knows nothing about boxing at all hurling churlish and childish insults around for no good reason.

I shall now treat you as such.

bye bye baba :bottle: :bottle: :bottle:


hahahahah you are soo true,
i mean come on people cant you have a prospective point of
view, instead of teh biast one you got??

Ok starting right now i'll treat you like a **** sucking ***!


might just report you for that one unless you behave. baba :bottle:

tho i think ill let you embarass yourself a little longer.

bottle time baba :bottle: :D

Ok starting right now i'll treat you like a **** sucking ***!


no seriusly man, whats with the homosexual
remarks??? are you a homofob???
i mean i will think we are a bit too mature to
make comments like that.

no seriusly man, whats with the homosexual
remarks??? are you a homofob???
i mean i will think we are a bit too mature to
make comments like that.
Why are you hurt with gay remarks?

Why are you hurt with gay remarks?

no but unlike you i got class
and i dont make remarks about anyone's
sexual life, serisuly when you run out of real
insults you just start calling everyone a "***"
or are you just a homofob??

no but unlike you i got class
and i dont make remarks about anyone's
sexual life, serisuly when you run out of real
insults you just start calling everyone a "***"
or are you just a homofob??
Nope your wrong! What is a forum for? It is to express each others belief but the problem with other people here is that they dont want to repect other peoples view. They just condemn someone as a nut hugger if you are making a point!

Nope your wrong! What is a forum for? It is to express each others belief but the problem with other people here is that they dont want to repect other peoples view. They just condemn someone as a nut hugger if you are making a point!

As i said i got no problem with your opinion,
i know you like Pac-Man, and I like Moralez.
and i got no problem with you liking Pac-Man,
and i hope you dont have one with me either.
i've never called you a nut hugger, but
i do have a problem with you makeing remarks
like "***" and such, im not gay but i got no
problem with them and unless they did something
wrong to you, i dont see why you have to degrade
them like that.

Nope your wrong! What is a forum for? It is to express each others belief but the problem with other people here is that they dont want to repect other peoples view. They just condemn someone as a nut hugger if you are making a point!

People respect point of views. Not everyone does but I know I do and most people on this board do. But you can't just go around calling everyone names. And engaging in a war of words with other memebers that has no point except to call each other stupid and such. What does that have to do with boxing? If someone ahs a point of view different from yours or makes fun of someone you hold in high regard just ignore them and post only things related to boxing.

And I don't know about other threads, but I didn't read one comment about you being a nuthugger on this one.

People respect point of views. Not everyone does but I know I do and most people on this board do. But you can't just go around calling everyone names. And engaging in a war of words with other memebers that has no point except to call each other stupid and such. What does that have to do with boxing? If someone ahs a point of view different from yours or makes fun of someone you hold in high regard just ignore them and post only things related to boxing.

yeah people need more class,
thats why boxers get labeled as stuppid
class less people,
Thank you guys. :grumble:

yeah people need more class,
thats why boxers get labeled as stuppid
class less people,
Thank you guys. :grumble:
let the fight be done in the ring and not boxing forums!

let the fight be done in the ring and not boxing forums!

Well said.

Another brainless remark!!! tsk tsk tsk!!!
yep, just the same way your are pacnuthugger :D

yep, just the same way your are pacnuthugger :D

Alright let's keep this on the other Pac thread.

remember that judges dotn socre bellow a 10-7 round so even with 3 knock downs doesnt mean he can win pac still needed to win 5 more rounds after that to win cause a 8-4 round socre for JMM would make the score 113-112 for jmm (i think my math is correct)

yep, just the same way your are pacnuthugger :D

i dont think Pac wants anyone hugging his nuts
it must be painful :thinking:

LETS TRY TO SEE... :)

ILL GIVE ERIK UNTIL 5RNDS. :)

ITS CORRECT THAT PACQUIAO HAS A SPRAIN ON HIS KNUCKLE. :)
AND BLISTER ON HIS FOOT BECAUSE OF THE SOCK, I CAN SEE THAT WHEN HE WAS INTERVIEWED ON A NATIONAL TELEVISION AFTER THE FIGHT.

http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/pictures/00001082.jpg

JEEZ I NEVER KNEW YOU WERE FREDDIE ROACH :D I should have guessed though from the in depth analysis and all round general boxing knowledge you display bro.

silly me. :rolleyes:

Interview with speedracer freddie roach:

Interveiwer: so how do you see Pac handling the naturally bigger man

Speedracer Roach: F*ck you man , manny is the best he aint smaller he just looks like he is, Morales is wearing high heels for sure, plus youre just a freak.

Interviewer: Erm ok, how was your charge been preparing for this one of the biggest fights of his career?

Sracer Roach: Freak he dont need to train to put it bad on Maorels ass, morales is a chicken he aint never fought no one, manny is gonna whoop him good, philipinnes forever yeaaaaah freak you gay freak :rolleyes:


etc etc etc etc. :p
haha! funny ****...

remember that judges dotn socre bellow a 10-7 round so even with 3 knock downs doesnt mean he can win pac still needed to win 5 more rounds after that to win cause a 8-4 round socre for JMM would make the score 113-112 for jmm (i think my math is correct)
i didn't quite get the point... 3 kd's in a round gives you, supposedly, a 10-6 card... why do you say they don't score below a 10-7??? that's the least they can do for nullifying the three-kd rule...

LETS TRY TO SEE... :)

ILL GIVE ERIK UNTIL 5RNDS. :)

ITS CORRECT THAT PACQUIAO HAS A SPRAIN ON HIS KNUCKLE. :)
AND BLISTER ON HIS FOOT BECAUSE OF THE SOCK, I CAN SEE THAT WHEN HE WAS INTERVIEWED ON A NATIONAL TELEVISION AFTER THE FIGHT.

http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/pictures/00001082.jpg
bro you're new here? check out the forum pinoy lang... it's for us ... pinoys!


going back to the thread.. a question would be, will morales cry? because definitely he will lose badly.... i know that coz i'm a fortune teller

Pacs hand was hurt but not enough to make him throw with less authority.
obviously it was hurt enough to make him throw with less authority seeing how he did. i had pac winning by the skin of his teeth. but i do give marquez mad props for gettin up from the canvas 3 times and coming back to almost win it.

"JMM pretty much won EVERY round after the first except for a couple."


Quit smoking that ****. You got sucked into the "hype" of the comeback.
_______________________________

The worse excuse was from Barrera..."I was not myself during the fight"

What was he thinking when he made that excuse...He might have a split personality!!! lol


I think he just said how he felt. He didnt say he lost the fight because he wasnt himself.

Here is how I saw the fight:
Pacquiao - Rounds 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

Marquez - Rounds 3, 4, 5, 6

Then Round 12 is a toss-up it can go either way.

And even when you give to Marquez, Pacquiao should have won but was robbed.

On round 7, Pacquiao learned how to block Marquez' punch to the head by putting his arms steady and up high and then Pacquiao counterpunched.

Any other way of seeing it are either blind or in somebody's payroll. This is the fairest assestment I can deliver.


Pac wasnt robbed, he had a man on the verge of annihilation and didnt close the show. He was countered punched effectively by Marquez rounds 3 through 12 and I think that Pac won rounds 1,2,9 and 10 clearly. There were a lot of close rounds, but Marquez deserved the draw for coming back the way he did, and did so in a very effective manner. And Pac doesnt deserve the win for not being able to do much but throw one straight left all night. If he would have put some combinations in there, he could and likely would have KO'd Marquez.

Pac wasnt robbed, he had a man on the verge of annihilation and didnt close the show. He was countered punched effectively by Marquez rounds 3 through 12 and I think that Pac won rounds 1,2,9 and 10 clearly. There were a lot of close rounds, but Marquez deserved the draw for coming back the way he did, and did so in a very effective manner. And Pac doesnt deserve the win for not being able to do much but throw one straight left all night. If he would have put some combinations in there, he could and likely would have KO'd Marquez.

I have learn to accept the draw and its fine with me, that fight is as close as it is, only conclusion is to have the rematch and i want to see it this year ....

i didn't quite get the point... 3 kd's in a round gives you, supposedly, a 10-6 card... why do you say they don't score below a 10-7??? that's the least they can do for nullifying the three-kd rule...


no they dont if u r down 5 times in 1 round they judges will have it a 10-7 round they do not score bellow that cause it would put a fighter to far out of a fight its a rule

no they dont if u r down 5 times in 1 round they judges will have it a 10-7 round they do not score bellow that cause it would put a fighter to far out of a fight its a rule
nah, it's not a rule... i hae watched fights wherein fighters were given a 10-6 card because of three kd's... i'd like to believe you but i'll disagree with you...

nah, it's not a rule... i hae watched fights wherein fighters were given a 10-6 card because of three kd's... i'd like to believe you but i'll disagree with you...
I think Manny won that fight clearly...If Marquez floored Pacman 3 times also then its a draw...The judges did not gave credit that the fighter was down 3 times.