Very, very powerful puncher but the guy is overrated! In the Gonzaga fight he got rocked hard and was taken down and getting beat but his power made it up for him again in that exchange.

Many say he will rip Lesnar's head off and what not, I don't see that happening, he will always have a punchers chance but I dont see him being a CHAMP(if so, not for long)

I'm not hating or anything, he is 11-0 for a reason but i'm just saying

His Velasquez fight will prove a lot... see how that goes but until then....

You are delusional, Cain will have to literally pull something out of his ass, perhaps a glock or a knife, to beat Carwin.

Carwin was getting hit, taken down and his power made up for it. Sounds like Lesnar vs Couture to me, you know, the fight that all of you nuthuggers give him credit for? Carwin stops Couture and Lesnar in Round 1. It's just the way it is, he is not a freakshow, so he doesn't get the exposure of Lesnar or Cain - But this guy could very well be the Machida of the Heavyweight division once he scores another first round knockout, which he will do.

A humble man in Carwin will destroy the hype job that you people have built in Lesnar.

Very, very powerful puncher but the guy is overrated! In the Gonzaga fight he got rocked hard and was taken down and getting beat but his power made it up for him again in that exchange.

Many say he will rip Lesnar's head off and what not, I don't see that happening, he will always have a punchers chance but I dont see him being a CHAMP(if so, not for long)

I'm not hating or anything, he is 11-0 for a reason but i'm just saying

His Velasquez fight will prove a lot... see how that goes but until then....

yeah I agree that Carwin probably has less of a chance than ppl are giving him, but he is still Lesnar's biggest threat in the UFC right now. To me, the only guys int he world right now that have a chance against Lesnar are Fedor and Lashley. Other than that, I think Lesnar could beat all.

Fedor AND Lashley ?:chairshot:

Nah i think Lesnar is getting to much props at the moment, people are getting abit carried away with all this he is unbeatable ****. I think Lesnar could be layed out by a few current UFC HW's. The only problem is once your on the ground with Lesnar it's probably lights out. Someone who has good takedown defence and a good stand up game/in the clinch will always cause Lesnar problems in my opinion....Corture should look for a rematch, he was doing pretty well untill he got dropped.. but apart from that he was giving him big problems i think he can beat him. i give Carwin a good chance, hes decent and lands bombs.

Nah i think Lesnar is getting to much props at the moment, people are getting abit carried away with all this he is unbeatable ****. I think Lesnar could be layed out by a few current UFC HW's. The only problem is once your on the ground with Lesnar it's probably lights out. Someone who has good takedown defence and a good stand up game/in the clinch will always cause Lesnar problems in my opinion....Corture should look for a rematch, he was doing pretty well untill he got dropped.. but apart from that he was giving him big problems i think he can beat him. i give Carwin a good chance, hes decent and lands bombs.

NO you're wrong the only guy who can beat him has 4 fights total!

Couture will win a rematch.
Carwin stops him.
Fedor kills him.

Fedor AND Lashley ?:chairshot:

quite the intellectual reply.

how about you say why you disagree with my statement instead of giving a reply that shows me that you are probably around 12 years old.

Couture will win a rematch.
Carwin stops him.
Fedor kills him.

lol, couture has nothing on lesnar. lesnar is better than couture in EVERYTHING.

Nah i think Lesnar is getting to much props at the moment, people are getting abit carried away with all this he is unbeatable ****. I think Lesnar could be layed out by a few current UFC HW's. The only problem is once your on the ground with Lesnar it's probably lights out. Someone who has good takedown defence and a good stand up game/in the clinch will always cause Lesnar problems in my opinion....Corture should look for a rematch, he was doing pretty well untill he got dropped.. but apart from that he was giving him big problems i think he can beat him. i give Carwin a good chance, hes decent and lands bombs.

before couture got ko'd, he got rocked a couple of times by lesnar. I don't think couture had much success in that fight.

quite the intellectual reply.

how about you say why you disagree with my statement instead of giving a reply that shows me that you are probably around 12 years old.

Yes I am around 12 years old.
A gold star for such an intellectual attack.


Anyway Mr.Intellectual,
Can you intellectually explain why Mr.Lashley would be the only fighter other than Fedor who has a chance against Mr.4-1, Brock Lesnar?

Mr.Intellectual please do not take this the wrong way for I can not withstand such mature and highly intellectual 'not to mention original' insults such as putting my age into question.

Oh and Mr.Intellectual, if you have time kind sir, would you please intellectually explain how Brock is also the best wrestler in MMA history?
In an intellectual way of course.

Kswizzy.... saying Lesnar is better than Couture at everything is just stupid. Couture is the better wrestler. I don't know why you think Lesnar is the best wrestler to ever grace the sport. The reason why he is such a good wrestler is his strength advantage. technique wise he's good...but not great. He is just so much stronger than his oppenents that his technique doesn't have to be that great. Couture and Henderson are by far better wrestlers. Lesnar's a freak, he has a chance to beat every HW in the world. But i don't think he's as good as alot of people think he is.

Yes I am around 12 years old.
A gold star for such an intellectual attack.


Anyway Mr.Intellectual,
Can you intellectually explain why Mr.Lashley would be the only fighter other than Fedor who has a chance against Mr.4-1, Brock Lesnar?

Mr.Intellectual please do not take this the wrong way for I can not withstand such mature and highly intellectual 'not to mention original' insults such as putting my age into question.

Oh and Mr.Intellectual, if you have time kind sir, would you please intellectually explain how Brock is also the best wrestler in MMA history?
In an intellectual way of course.

calling you 12 years old was less of an attack than a guess, from just analyzing your posts. seriously, am I to think that you're atleast in your 20's with such a thoughtless post?

is it really that far fetched that Lashley has what it takes to handle lesnar?
and I don't think he would beat him, but I think he would have one of the best chances to neutralize every facet of lesnar's game. he has the size, speed and strength to give Lesnar trouble standing up, and on the ground. It would be a close fight and if Lashley has a good game plan and sticks to it, he could pull off a win.

Fedor of course has great stand up striking to stop lesnar and he has great core strength on the ground and knows how to work his way around against strong fighters and pull off crazy submissions.

I really don't see anyone else out there right now with the skills and physical abilities to beat lesnar more than Lashley and Fedor. People give Carwin a chance but really, Lesnar is much stronger and faster than Carwin. Carwin doesn't have the explosiveness to catch Lesnar with a strike or the strength to finish him on the ground.

I know Lesnar is a **** .....but the more and more i watch him ...the more and more i am starting to like his antics !:boxing:
I am a big fedor fan ....but i think even Fedor will have trouble with him....but why do i get the feeling that Brock would get Koed on his feet against fedor !?:boxing:

Kswizzy.... saying Lesnar is better than Couture at everything is just stupid. Couture is the better wrestler. I don't know why you think Lesnar is the best wrestler to ever grace the sport. The reason why he is such a good wrestler is his strength advantage. technique wise he's good...but not great. He is just so much stronger than his oppenents that his technique doesn't have to be that great. Couture and Henderson are by far better wrestlers. Lesnar's a freak, he has a chance to beat every HW in the world. But i don't think he's as good as alot of people think he is.


Are you serious ?


You should do a little more research on his amateur/collegiate wrestling background.

He was an absolute force as a wrestler, and it has more to do with technique and skill than it does brute strength (which he has plenty of as well, obviously)


I remember hearing stories about this guy way before his WWE days about his dominance as a Beaver.

yeah I agree that Carwin probably has less of a chance than ppl are giving him, but he is still Lesnar's biggest threat in the UFC right now. To me, the only guys int he world right now that have a chance against Lesnar are Fedor and Lashley. Other than that, I think Lesnar could beat all.
Fedor AND Lashley ?:chairshot:

How is this a thoughtless post?
I repeated your statement for clearification 'as in did you just make a mistake because only a dumbass would say this' and you took it as an insult before I made it such.
Yes it is far fetched that the only person in the sport to beat Brock would be a fighter with 4 fights total.
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I think Mr.WWF here needs to stop thinking that he's smarter than everyone and learn a thing or two about martial arts before he opens his mouth.

How is this a thoughtless post?
I repeated your statement for clearification 'as in did you just make a mistake because only a dumbass would say this' and you took it as an insult before I made it such.
Yes it is far fetched that the only person in the sport to beat Brock would be a fighter with 4 fights total.
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I think Mr.WWF here needs to stop thinking that he's smarter than everyone and learn a thing or two about martial arts before he opens his mouth.

ok first off, I'm don't watch WWE. I haven't watched wrestling in over a decade maybe more and I certainly didn't watch a single WWE show during Lesnar's time there.

and why do you keep quoting 4 fights as if that is the be all end all of a fighters talent and skill. Lesnar beat couture in his 4th fight so why is that so hard for you to believe? and once again, i didn't say lashley would beat him, I just said that other than Fedor, he's the only other guy I could think of that would give Lesnar a lot of trouble.

You are delusional, Cain will have to literally pull something out of his ass, perhaps a glock or a knife, to beat Carwin.

Carwin was getting hit, taken down and his power made up for it. Sounds like Lesnar vs Couture to me, you know, the fight that all of you nuthuggers give him credit for? Carwin stops Couture and Lesnar in Round 1. It's just the way it is, he is not a freakshow, so he doesn't get the exposure of Lesnar or Cain - But this guy could very well be the Machida of the Heavyweight division once he scores another first round knockout, which he will do.

A humble man in Carwin will destroy the hype job that you people have built in Lesnar.

Excellent post, Mr. Bricks.

Couture will win a rematch.
Carwin stops him.
Fedor kills him.

LMAO.

lol, couture has nothing on lesnar. lesnar is better than couture in EVERYTHING.

I suggest you rewatch Couture-Lesnar 1, and then get back to me. Also, compare that with the two fights against Mir and the fight against "The Texas Crazyhorse," if you need points of reference to dissuade your bias.

Kswizzy.... saying Lesnar is better than Couture at everything is just stupid. Couture is the better wrestler. I don't know why you think Lesnar is the best wrestler to ever grace the sport. The reason why he is such a good wrestler is his strength advantage. technique wise he's good...but not great. He is just so much stronger than his oppenents that his technique doesn't have to be that great. Couture and Henderson are by far better wrestlers. Lesnar's a freak, he has a chance to beat every HW in the world. But i don't think he's as good as alot of people think he is.

Excellent post man. Dan Henderson is a 2-time Olympian, for ****'s sake. Couture is sort of an old stalwart, who is legendary among the wrestling community. He's also been an Olympic alternate, and has pretty much done it all.

Are you serious ?


You should do a little more research on his amateur/collegiate wrestling background.

He was an absolute force as a wrestler, and it has more to do with technique and skill than it does brute strength (which he has plenty of as well, obviously)


I remember hearing stories about this guy way before his WWE days about his dominance as a Beaver.

No, it is you who should do a little more research.

Are you serious ?


You should do a little more research on his amateur/collegiate wrestling background.

He was an absolute force as a wrestler, and it has more to do with technique and skill than it does brute strength (which he has plenty of as well, obviously)


I remember hearing stories about this guy way before his WWE days about his dominance as a Beaver.

I'm aware of his NCAA accomplishments and I salute the guy. I'm not denying that he's a good wrestler, because he is. But he is definitely not the best. As Organik stated...Henderson was a 2-time Olympian. Lesnar was not.

Are you serious ?


You should do a little more research on his amateur/collegiate wrestling background.

He was an absolute force as a wrestler, and it has more to do with technique and skill than it does brute strength (which he has plenty of as well, obviously)


I remember hearing stories about this guy way before his WWE days about his dominance as a Beaver.

he was a Gopher, lol .. a Golden Gopher to be exact.

but anyway, regardless of how great Brock was at amateur wrestling

considering he never advanced his wrestling beyond the collegiate level

I don't think you can make a strong argument that he is "better" then Henderson or Couture

even if Brock very well might be ... Lesnar only fought at the Collegiate level
and who knows how he would have done at the Olympic or World Championship level

it's very much left unsaid.

I suggest you rewatch Couture-Lesnar 1, and then get back to me. Also, compare that with the two fights against Mir and the fight against "The Texas Crazyhorse," if you need points of reference to dissuade your bias.

I've watched that fight a couple of times already and it boggles my mind when some ppl say that "Couture was actually doing well before he got ko'd". ummm no, couture did nothing before he got ko'd. the best thing he did was hold lesnar against the fence for a little bit and once when they were separating from a clinch, couture threw and landed a punch which did zero to lesnar.

Lesnar dominated 99% of that fight.

but if you think couture did well against lesnar, I really want you to point out all the good things that he did and at what minutes he did them so I could see what you're talking about. because at this point I am baffled at anyone who thinks couture had any success in that fight.

he was a Gopher, lol .. a Golden Gopher to be exact.

but anyway, regardless of how great Brock was at amateur wrestling

considering he never advanced his wrestling beyond the collegiate level

I don't think you can make a strong argument that he is "better" then Henderson or Couture

even if Brock very well might be ... Lesnar only fought at the Collegiate level
and who knows how he would have done at the Olympic or World Championship level

it's very much left unsaid.



No doubt man, it was a joke. LOL.

But I don't think that Brock is as accomplished a wrestler as those guys, but his wrestling coupled with his athleticism, size, and strength makes his wrestling probably a bit more effective in the octagon.

But I agree with your post, who knows how he would have fared, but that is neither here nor there.

I've watched that fight a couple of times already and it boggles my mind when some ppl say that "Couture was actually doing well before he got ko'd". ummm no, couture did nothing before he got ko'd. the best thing he did was hold lesnar against the fence for a little bit and once when they were separating from a clinch, couture threw and landed a punch which did zero to lesnar.

Lesnar dominated 99% of that fight.

but if you think couture did well against lesnar, I really want you to point out all the good things that he did and at what minutes he did them so I could see what you're talking about. because at this point I am baffled at anyone who thinks couture had any success in that fight.
I might watch it later and point out a couple things.

As far as the scoring of the fight, Brock won the first round, and the second round was very close. Up until the time it was stopped, I think I was favoring Randy to carry the round.

These fights are 5 rounds though, and I think Couture was potentially on his way to dragging Brock into the deep waters and then drowning him.

In any case, the 2 Mir fights and the Herring fight were true beat downs (despite Mir winning the first fight, he was getting hammered). The Couture fight was competitive.

none of us should get carried away with brock, no one is unbeatable. someone will have his number, and i think that someone is shane carwin.

fedor would make lesnar his lawful wedded wife

none of us should get carried away with brock, no one is unbeatable. someone will have his number, and i think that someone is shane carwin.

fedor would make lesnar his lawful wedded wife


while im undecided at the moment if it's exactly Carwin who will dethrone Lesnar I can certainly agree with the bold

as especially regarding MMA, but more so the UFC ... isn't exactly noted for having too too many long raining champions.

A. Silva just reached 5 title defenses, tying the UFC record I believe

and St. Pierre (who is seen as the best at 170 and understandably) has only defended his title 2 times (Alves, Fitch)

so yeah going back to the bold .. sure the UFC's HW isn't as deep as the other divisions, but the point is that any man can be beaten

and to see some posters write off all potential challengers to Brock I have to find a bit disturbing.

is it really that much of a foregone conclusion that Brock can clean out the HW division? (UFC)

or maybe Lesnar's just that good, and that early loss to Mir was the best thing to happen to him, as it taught him the hard way to tighten up his overall skill set, and keep sharp.

cuz after the Carwin-Cain winner for Brock

realistically all the UFC has left at HW are Big Nog, a Mir rematch, a Couture rematch and the other challengers (Dos Santos, Kongo, Cro Cop) **I realize Dos Santos and Cro Cop are set to fight at UFC 103 so maybe the winner of that can challenge Brock.

but as impressive as Brock was vs Mir the second time, I think it's way too premature to write off all challengers.

easy now boys, no need to get personal. lol

yeah I agree that Carwin probably has less of a chance than ppl are giving him, but he is still Lesnar's biggest threat in the UFC right now. To me, the only guys int he world right now that have a chance against Lesnar are Fedor and Lashley. Other than that, I think Lesnar could beat all.

It's unfortunate that one of the two fighters you think has a chance against an inexperienced heavyweight MMA fighter in Lesnar is...an inexperienced MMA fighter in Lashley. Perhaps I don't agree with Lashley. But I believe Fedor would dominate Lesnar.

and St. Pierre (who is seen as the best at 170 and understandably) has only defended his title 2 times (Alves, Fitch)



Actually, he defended it three times (the second being to Penn). Unless you think his successful obliteration of Penn to defend his title was meaningless which I'd have to certainly argue against.

Actually, he defended it three times (the second being to Penn). Unless you think his successful obliteration of Penn to defend his title was meaningless which I'd have to certainly argue against.

I don't count the Penn defense cuz GSP was greased up for it.

(joke)

but yeah how could I miss the Penn one .. that was a pretty epic fight, even if it wasn't "to the death"

I don't count the Penn defense cuz GSP was greased up for it.

(joke)

but yeah how could I miss the Penn one .. that was a pretty epic fight, even if it wasn't "to the death"

That was epic because of how badly Penn was exposed

"i'm going to the death georgy, I'm gonna go in there to kill you"

then he quits...

That was epic because of how badly Penn was exposed

"i'm going to the death georgy, I'm gonna go in there to kill you"

then he quits...

i loved how rogan kept saying how impossible it is to pass b.j's guard and GSP passed his guard whenever he wanted and made rogan look like a retard. i hate penn, i'd like to see a third fight so GSP can beat him up again