Just a quick Q this one, I just read in a boxing magazine he was. Just how hard could Lewis hit?

Lewis hits plenty hard, but I've never seen him do anything that would support that claim. Big George was short on stamina, mostly because he swung for the fence with every shot, but he had an over abundance of power. As clumsy as George was, Lewis made him look very coordinated, with even slower hooks and looping rights than George in the twelfth lol

Lewis might be stronger than a prime Foreman. I kinda doubt it though, but maybe. How ever, he definitely did NOT hit harder than Big George! Punching power and general power cannot be compared. Look at Tyson being pushed around the ring by Holyfield. Still, Tyson could hit a helluva lot harder than could Holy...

Foreman was STRONGER.

In terms of power, it goes both ways.
Lewis seemed more capable of the spectacular, one-punch KO....whereas Foreman could hurt you with every punch at any time.
Lewis didn't have the mindset of a puncher. That's why he had some fights where his power didn't seem so awesome. Foreman was all about brutalizing his foes.

Stronger than Foreman? I'd say he probably is stronger, as far as holding, pushing off, forcing the other guy's head down instead of letting him do it to you, and generally imposing his will in the ring; he's a big fella...but hitting power? I don't know...it's hard to imagine anyone hitting harder than a prime Foreman right hand. Shavers maybe, but I just don't think Lewis was quite at that level. Lewis is a very skilled boxer, and has excellant power. That's what made him so dangerous. He could hit plenty hard, and was very good at making a place to put leather on his opponents. Big George's punch, however, was just ****ing brutally powerful. He wasn't actually a smart and skilled boxer until very late in his career. If he'd had Lewis' boxing skills in his prime (or maybe even his own late career ring smarts..that'll get a mediocre boxer a LONG ways in the ring), we'd all might very well be acknowledging him as the greatest fighter who ever walked the planet. Had he been smarter in the ring against Ali, he'd almost certainly have won that fight.

this is a joke right? no way lewis is stronger even now.

Interesting debate. Foreman WAS stronger but Lewis did indeed hit harder. The reason was he had decent hand speed with his punch, it made his shots harder. Foreman`s displays of power against the likes of Norton and Frazier were through clubbing his opponent and eventually overpowering him. Lewis hit concusively. Check the Tony Tucker knockdown Lewis scored in the third round, that was one shot power. The Razor Ruddock win too, Lewis was more or less backing up most of the fight and he knocked Razor silly. Lewis` style and speed were the difference. Lewis was one of the hardest punchers in boxing history but i agree with JabsRstiff about the mindset of Lewis not being that of a puncher. Totally spot on. Lewis preffered to box than punch, maybe because of concern of getting smacked on his....lets be honest, less than strong chin!

lol lewis hit harder then foreman ahhahah good one

I would say Lewis was stronger than Foreman. People have this image of Foreman being this huge guy, but he wasn't. Prime Foreman only weighted about 215 and thats what Chris Byrd goes now and Byrd is considered small by todays standards.

I would say Lewis was stronger than Foreman. People have this image of Foreman being this huge guy, but he wasn't. Prime Foreman only weighted about 215 and thats what Chris Byrd goes now and Byrd is considered small by todays standards.


George is a huge guy. At 6 feet 3 and 1/2 inches, 225 pounds and an 82" reach, he was a monster. Those long arms weren't just long, they were big, and were moving with the inertia of a freight train by the time they reached their target. George had more power in an arm punch than many heavyweights do when using their entire upper body.

We'll view the first Frazier fight as Foreman's prime. Foreman weighted in for that fight at 215lbs. We'll also use the first Holyfield fight for prime Lewis.

Yes Foreman is a big guy, but Lewis is still much bigger.

Foreman
Height: 6'3 1/2
Weight: 215
Reach: 82

Lewis
Hieght: 6'5
Weight 245lbs
Reach: 84

Lewis was extremaly strong watch him wrestle with guys like Vitali and Grant two guys who were 6'5+ and 240+

this is a joke right? no way lewis is stronger even now.

Agreed. :cool:

george foreman is the strongest puncher that ever lived. his routine used to consist of 350 full power hooks while someone held the 300lb bag, then he'd do 350 on the other hand. the guy is a beast, he used to eat like 18 eggs for breakfast of course he's gonna have lion strength.

i think mike could bench more probably, but george punched with more strength, albeit mike had more speed, thus more power.

if george had mikes speed he'd still be undefeated

nah cause ali had the perfect way to beat him wait till he is so tired he cant get up. Foreman porbally has one of the top 5 chins ever only reason why ali knocked him out is cause foreman was way to tired to stand i thought he was gonna fall over just from punching without ali even touchign him

george foreman is the strongest puncher that ever lived. his routine used to consist of 350 full power hooks while someone held the 300lb bag, then he'd do 350 on the other hand. the guy is a beast, he used to eat like 18 eggs for breakfast of course he's gonna have lion strength.

i think mike could bench more probably, but george punched with more strength, albeit mike had more speed, thus more power.

if george had mikes speed he'd still be undefeated

and some major farts..

Mike was very quick in his prime but had surprisingly little strength for a heavyweight. Holyfield was a small heavyweight and McNeely a downright awful one and they both manhandled him in the clinches. Honestly, I think just about every man near Tyson's weight was competitive with him in the clinches and most tied him up at will.

I've heard Tyson benches around 450 lbs, but his functional strength is much lower than that number would indicate.

On the subject of Foreman, I recall reading in his autobiography that Foreman's guys did a publicity photo shoot where five or six very strong men helped hoist a young cow onto Foreman's shoulders. The idea was that these guys would be out of the shot, assisting Foreman and so it would look like he was holding up this massive animal by himself. Well apparently one of them let go and the others followed suit until Big George really was just carrying a cow on his shoulders. I think it weighed in the 600-700 lb realm. Some hardcore lifting fans might say "I know many powerlifters who squat with 600+ lbs on their shoulders." To that I would answer a.) Foreman didn't even lift weights while those heavy squatters are elite weightlifting athletes and b.) Those 600 pounds are carefully balanced on a lifter's shoulders by a bar while this cow would just kind of hanging there.

The point is, Foreman was rediculously strong. I don't care how much Lewis weighed, I don't see him carrying a friggin cow on his shoulders.

Other really strong heavyweight boxers...

Tex Cobb (Holmes once said that Shavers hit like he was from another planet but that Tex Cobb was the strongest mother he ever faced in the ring)

George Chuvalo (really strong in the clinches)

Jess Willard (Hoisted 600 lb. bales of hay on his farm and did strongman work in circuses)

Aside from great strength, these guys also had some of the best chins in heavyweight history.

Tyson... I've got a clip of him saying he doesn't believe in weights and admiring Frank Bruno's physique. It was rumoured that Frank's punching power was harder than Tyson's... just that he lacked the boxing skill to really land.

Staying with Tyson, while the Tyson of today doesn't really count, Danny Williams remarked that when Tyson hugged him at a press conference it was then that he realised he was physically stronger.

like everybody else ahs basically said, Foreman hit harder but Lewis I think is physically bigger and stronger. Personally, I think that Foreman would ahve knocked out Lewis by the way because he had a very good jab and Lewis isnt used to fighting that kind of fighter. Just my oppinion.

man, holyfield really kicked the **** out of him in their last fight.

how he stood up after those punches is unbelievable

George Foreman could knock out a John Deere

Lewis has the strength of a trained boxer...Foreman has the strenght of a wrecking ball.

Lewis has a beautiful right it is one of the best punches in the history of the division and it allowed Lewis to hide many of his weaknesses including his suspect chin but Formeman is definately more powerfui...having a great right hand is different then the raw power that a Goerge Foreman had...

it is like comparing a prime Vald Guerrero to a prime Ken Griffey Jr in terms of there power. Griffey when right was one of the greatest home run hitters of all time and his swing was as natural as any home run swing in the game...now take a look at Vlad....it is not the prettiest thing in the world but the power is undeniable..the raw ****ing power. Who is more powerful Griffey or Vlad...easily Vlad but Griffey may have been the better home run hitter for a time...same way with Foreman and Lewis...Ill let you guess who is who in this analogy.

His destruction of Frazier was unbelievable and probably something that not many great HEavys in their day were capable of.

They actully hit around the same power but Foreman did infact have more kayos. Foreman had about 68 kayos and Lennox had 32 kayos

We'll view the first Frazier fight as Foreman's prime. Foreman weighted in for that fight at 215lbs. We'll also use the first Holyfield fight for prime Lewis.

Yes Foreman is a big guy, but Lewis is still much bigger.

Foreman
Height: 6'3 1/2
Weight: 215
Reach: 82

Lewis
Hieght: 6'5
Weight 245lbs
Reach: 84

Lewis was extremaly strong watch him wrestle with guys like Vitali and Grant two guys who were 6'5+ and 240+


Yes, Lewis is a little taller and 20 to 30 lbs. heavier, depending on which fight George was entering, as his fight weight fluctuated by about 10 pounds, but in the first part of Lewis' career, he was just a little heavier than George, not very much, and in the later part of his career, he obviously put on body fat. He never had a six pack that I saw, whereas George almost looked like a bodybuilder when he entered the ring. As far as being heavier, having extra weight to lean on your opponents with, the Lewis that fought Golota and Grant would have the advantage, but George's brute strength would go a long way to neutralizing it inside, and as far as punching power is concerned, Lewis loses. Foreman didn't have a lot of one-punch KO's because he rarely landed a clean punch with all his **** on it, but even glancing punches would get his man in trouble if he had anything on them. And you can't compare Byrd with George, Byrd steps on the scale with his pants, shirt, shoes, leg warmers, headband, crash helmet. etc. just to make weight, Foreman just brought his afro lol

Yes, Lewis is a little taller and 20 to 30 lbs. heavier, depending on which fight George was entering, as his fight weight fluctuated by about 10 pounds, but in the first part of Lewis' career, he was just a little heavier than George, not very much, and in the later part of his career, he obviously put on body fat. He never had a six pack that I saw, whereas George almost looked like a bodybuilder when he entered the ring. As far as being heavier, having extra weight to lean on your opponents with, the Lewis that fought Golota and Grant would have the advantage, but George's brute strength would go a long way to neutralizing it inside, and as far as punching power is concerned, Lewis loses. Foreman didn't have a lot of one-punch KO's because he rarely landed a clean punch with all his **** on it, but even glancing punches would get his man in trouble if he had anything on them. And you can't compare Byrd with George, Byrd steps on the scale with his pants, shirt, shoes, leg warmers, headband, crash helmet. etc. just to make weight, Foreman just brought his afro lol


that was brilliant +karma for j00

Lennox hit like a pansy. Because he's british, that's all their is to it.

that was brilliant +karma for j00


Thanks man, I appreciate that.

foreman hits harder than lewis. but lewis is smarter.

Foreman hits harder than lewis no doubt.

Was Lewis stronger than Foreman? Hell no!

Lennox hit like a pansy. Because he's british, that's all their is to it.

a brit who took all your tough US of A big men to school.

eat that and dont be so bitter. :D

stupid post. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=JPW]a brit who took all your tough US of A big men to school.

LMFAO! Jesus, we only get one heavyweight champ a century, thank god I was around to see it!

Lol :D

BRUNO BEAT MCALL DONT FORGET TENUOUS I KNOW BUT....
AND DOESNT AUDLEY HOLD THE WBF :p :eek: :rolleyes:

Mike was very quick in his prime but had surprisingly little strength for a heavyweight. Holyfield was a small heavyweight and McNeely a downright awful one and they both manhandled him in the clinches. Honestly, I think just about every man near Tyson's weight was competitive with him in the clinches and most tied him up at will.

I've heard Tyson benches around 450 lbs, but his functional strength is much lower than that number would indicate.

On the subject of Foreman, I recall reading in his autobiography that Foreman's guys did a publicity photo shoot where five or six very strong men helped hoist a young cow onto Foreman's shoulders. The idea was that these guys would be out of the shot, assisting Foreman and so it would look like he was holding up this massive animal by himself. Well apparently one of them let go and the others followed suit until Big George really was just carrying a cow on his shoulders. I think it weighed in the 600-700 lb realm. Some hardcore lifting fans might say "I know many powerlifters who squat with 600+ lbs on their shoulders." To that I would answer a.) Foreman didn't even lift weights while those heavy squatters are elite weightlifting athletes and b.) Those 600 pounds are carefully balanced on a lifter's shoulders by a bar while this cow would just kind of hanging there.

The point is, Foreman was rediculously strong. I don't care how much Lewis weighed, I don't see him carrying a friggin cow on his shoulders.

Other really strong heavyweight boxers...

Tex Cobb (Holmes once said that Shavers hit like he was from another planet but that Tex Cobb was the strongest mother he ever faced in the ring)

George Chuvalo (really strong in the clinches)

Jess Willard (Hoisted 600 lb. bales of hay on his farm and did strongman work in circuses)

Aside from great strength, these guys also had some of the best chins in heavyweight history.
As of Tyson's strenght in clinches and push-offs, I think that Tyson's stance made him easy to push off balance, which leads to him looking weak.
George Chuvalo said that if Tyson had better balance, he would have been a better fighter, with more leverage behind his punches. And he thought that Tyson was lazy in clinches, not bothering to fight back, or try to land some short punches when somebody clinched him.

When it comes to Lewis, I really do belive that he's much stronger than it appears. One fighter said (maybe Frank Bruno, don't remember) that when Lewis blocked his punches, it felt like hitting on a brick wall. He was just so immensly strong.
Looking at the wrestling match he had with Rahman on the press conference, I reckon Rahman really got to feel Lewis' strenght before he decided to run away...

However, when it comes to punching power, I belive there's two types of punching power;
one type that's explosive and fast (like Tyson's)
and one where there's just massive strenght and force behind (like Foreman's)

When you compare those, you might find that the explosive version has a tendency to knock people out cold, like a lightning from blue sky,
and the massive, brute force kind simply forces people down or sends them sprawling across the ring.
Foreman wiped the floor with Frazier, but didn't knock him out cold, like I think Lewis would have done if he had hit him clean.
But I don't think Lewis' punches would force Frazier to back down, or send him backwards, so I reckon there's gotta be two kinds of power.

Why bother to compare those? Off course it's easier for Foreman to push-punch the heavybag in bigger motions than it is for Tyson who stagger the punches at impact, but you can't say that the punches are harder.

In measurement, maybe Foreman's punches hits with more pounds behind them, and Tyson/Lewis hits with more mph...?
Just a thought, as I've heard Tyson got measured to 800kg at 60 km/h... (and if Foreman managed, say, 1000kg at 40 km/h...) ?

George Foreman is simply the strongest fighter who ever lived.

When it comes to Lewis, I really do belive that he's much stronger than it appears. One fighter said (maybe Frank Bruno, don't remember) that when Lewis blocked his punches, it felt like hitting on a brick wall. He was just so immensly strong.
Looking at the wrestling match he had with Rahman on the press conference, I reckon Rahman really got to feel Lewis' strenght before he decided to run away...I absolutely agree with you here. Almost every fighter that Lewis ever fought from Tyson, VK, Tua, and Botha to people like Mason and McCrory - the one thing they all brought up was not his punching power or skills (though they mention it on occasion), it's his physical strength. The man was huge and strong for his size to boot. He completely manhandled 6'7" 250 lb Michael Grant (who looked like a body builder), and bullied him into that KO2. As strong as Big George was (and he was very strong), I don't see him doing anything like that. But I do give Foreman the edge (a slight one) in punching power...

the only reason lennox's power may SEEM to be more than foreman's was because lennox sets his punches up. his rand hand hits hardest after blinding his opponent with a jab in da face. for overall one punch ko power iits foreman without a doubt.