If tyson stayed with rooney and retired with a record of 80 - 0 and was never in a close fight , if he fought holyfield and lewis at the peak of their careers and blitz them in 3 rounds in a very one sided fashion ,how highly would tyson be rated by boxing purists as a boxer , would he go down in history as the greatest heavyweight of all time or would he even eclipse ray robinson to become the pfp greatest boxer of all time , I think so tyson was that talented .

tyson is already top 5 top 3 even so of course he would be number 1 if he did that

If tyson stayed with rooney and retired with a record of 80 - 0 and was never in a close fight , if he fought holyfield and lewis at the peak of their careers and blitz them in 3 rounds in a very one sided fashion ,how highly would tyson be rated by boxing purists as a boxer , would he go down in history as the greatest heavyweight of all time or would he even eclipse ray robinson to become the pfp greatest boxer of all time , I think so tyson was that talented .

I'm not going to be the one to rip on you, but you will surely get people who will.

Talent wasn't Mike's problem either. It was character. He imploded. It was bound to happen too no matter who trained him. He couldn't handle success.

What if instead of being a human punching bag for most of the world class foes he fought.....Tex Cobb landed a KO punch within 30 seconds of every one of his fights ?
What if he knocked everyone out with one punch, for fifeteen years (****, all those easy fights= no wear & tear) straight, including Mike Tyson ?
Would he have been the greatest ever ?

What if instead of being a human punching bag for most of the world class foes he fought.....Tex Cobb landed a KO punch within 30 seconds of every one of his fights ?
What if he knocked everyone out with one punch, for fifeteen years (****, all those easy fights= no wear & tear) straight, including Mike Tyson ?
Would he have been the greatest ever ?


See. But this guy is French, so this one doesn't count.

See. But this guy is French, so this one doesn't count.


I'm not French, actually. Hope this gives me more credibilty.

Plz stop making excuses for tyson in my opinion Holyfield still beats him in their respective primes. No threads about it would have been a 1 round job because tyson is vunreable when under attack he's got a decent punch resistance but no heart he's never got up of the canvas and clawed his way back from defeat the things champions(great ones) do.

the fact of the matter in my oppinion is that it would not have mattered when holyfield and Tyson fought because Holyfield was always jsut as tough and fluid and quick as when he fought Tyson. Indeed, I would go out on a limb and say that the Holyfield that beat Tyson was no longer in his prime at all.

I'm not French, actually. Hope this gives me more credibilty.

Alright, your credibility is restored. And now I can admit that this was pretty funny.

Alright, your credibility is restored. And now I can admit that this was pretty funny.
haha :D :D :cool:

Alright, your credibility is restored. And now I can admit that this was pretty funny.

Sounds like a line from a video game


If he would have retired 80-0 and beat everyone the Heavyweight division had to offer at their best...of course he would have been ranked #1.

Sounds like a line from a video game


If he would have retired 80-0 and beat everyone the Heavyweight division had to offer at their best...of course he would have been ranked #1.


& the same could be said of Tex Cobb, "Too Tall" Jones, John Lennon, & Woody ****in' Allen.

& the same could be said of Tex Cobb, "Too Tall" Jones, John Lennon, & Woody ****in' Allen.

Yeah, but in Tyson's time in the heavyweight division there was some talent..

****.....

John Lennon woulda been fighting during the Ali, Frazier, Foreman era.....
Imagine if he'd beaten all those guys, convincingly....in his first 79 fights.....& then got his 80th win by KOing Larry Holmes ?

How could you not think John Lennon was the greatest fighter ever ?

THere were a lot of things that caused Mike to implode. I think that losing Micky Rooney was one of them. But, his life has just been one big screw up after another.

THere were a lot of things that caused Mike to implode. I think that losing Micky Rooney was one of them. But, his life has just been one big screw up after another.

Yeah....too bad Mike lost Mickey Rooney.
Tyson always needed a good song & dance man to get him through the tough times.

If Tyson had gone 80-0, I still wouldn't put him above Ali. I can't explain why, I have no argument to back this up, I just wouldn't do it.

If Tyson had gone 80-0, I still wouldn't put him above Ali. I can't explain why, I have no argument to back this up, I just wouldn't do it.

I think the reason is that it would be more likely for Ali to have gone 80-0 than Tyson. Neither is possible. That is why Ali is better and there are no set of circumstances barring alternate realities under which anyone considers Tyson better than Ali.

I'm not going to be the one to rip on you, but you will surely get people who will.

Talent wasn't Mike's problem either. It was character. He imploded. It was bound to happen too no matter who trained him. He couldn't handle success.

amen to that
i could not have said it better
it was not the tainer
ITS MIKE

Of course he would be ranked the best ever unless he had real ****ty competition.

Trainer - Kevin Rooney - Iron Mike Tyson :boxing: 70 - 0

Yo, you people who keep dissing Mike are seriously trying to get on my ****list. God forbid that happens.

i can't really say,because i'msure that mike, would not have beaten Holy at any time in his career