Although I dig 'em both a whole hell of alot, I think Rocky would have the edge over Joe. What do you guy's think?

Look at my icon! Joe Frazier beat Ali before anybody else did. He would woop the **** out of Rocky. (Prime vs. Prime)

Rocky could only beat Frazier like he beat Joe Louis. With a big age advantage.

Can I get the overrated chant for Marciano please?

Frazier is bigger, stronger, faster and hist harder.

Please dont talk about Rocky winning this with his heart cause Frazier had just as big a heart.

Dear Lord. Why does everyone have to get so damn defensive over this ****. Stop being dicks and give fighters the respect they deserve.

That said, it prolly does make more sense to go with Joe. I'm gonna go with Rocky, though, because I like his two-handedness his higher work rate, his bodywork, and the fact that he was only seriously hurt twice in his career, and Joe was not only hurt, but stopped three times. Against fighters who were bigger than anyone Marciano fought, admittedly. Still though.

As Don King would say that is Rediculosity. When Joe Fraizer beat Ali the first time, it was honestly discussed whether or not he was the greatest fighter ever. It was a debate between him and Ali, Rocky is a distant third at best.

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As Don King would say that is Rediculosity. When Joe Fraizer beat Ali the first time, it was honestly discussed whether or not he was the greatest fighter ever. It was a debate between him and Ali, Rocky is a distant third at best.
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Look, this is all conjecture. I dunno for a fact that Frazier would lose. To be honest, I would be even a little surprised if he won. Here's the thing: you don't know that Frazier would win. You're guessing as much as I am.

Finally, as far as folks calling him the greatest of all-time, I'd like to point out that that proves nothing. After all, Nat Fleischer called Ketchel the greatest middleweight of all time, Joe Gans the greatest lightweight of all time and Jack Dempsey the greatest heavyweight. Does it prove that any of them were? No. It's just an interesting fact, is all.

why does every1 put marciano down, hes never lost, if there ever was the greatest boxer which their isnt, it shud be marciano, not ali who lost 7 times. every1 just says hes so good coz he beat foreman, idiots

Dear Lord. Why does everyone have to get so damn defensive over this ****. Stop being dicks and give fighters the respect they deserve.

That said, it prolly does make more sense to go with Joe. I'm gonna go with Rocky, though, because I like his two-handedness his higher work rate, his bodywork, and the fact that he was only seriously hurt twice in his career, and Joe was not only hurt, but stopped three times. Against fighters who were bigger than anyone Marciano fought, admittedly. Still though.


Im sorry but Rocky Marciano did not have a higher work rate than Joe Frazier.

The rock Frasier was a slow starter and Marciano would take it to him.

The rock Frasier was a slow starter and Marciano would take it to him.


and Marciano was a fast starter?

I could see frazier winning by TKO in the mid rounds.

Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano was very similar in many ways. They both came out slow and got better during the fight. They both had fantastic stamina and heart. Their way of fighting also resembled each other. The difference is that Frazier was bigger than Marciano, was faster, applied a little more pressure and was most likely stronger.
On the other hand, Marciano most likely had the hardest punch. Further, he did not rely so much on his left hook, he was a better two-fisted-fighter. I also like to think that his chin was a little tougher than Fraziers. Of course, Marciano did not have to fight Foreman, so it is really hard to say. Still I give Marciano the nod when it comes to chin.

This is a tough fight to call. Neither result would surprise me. I would give a 60-40 chance in Marcianos favour. Frazier was used to come in low and work his way under his opponents arms to deliver his hard shots. This would not work against Marciano, Marciano being the smaller man is this match-up. They were both slow starters, but Marciano hit harder and therefore would have a better chance of hurting Frazier early than the other way around.

I see both men hurting the other one early on in a brutal slugfest. Marciano would deliver the hardest shots though and slow Frazier down a bit. It would be a real wear-and-tear with Marciano coming out on top by a late tko. I am not sure Marciano would be craving to give Frazier a rematch though...

Pressure fighters have always troubled Frazier and he doesn't nearly have the chin neccessary to last against Marciano.

Frazier was rocked or knocked down against both Bonavena and Quarry (1st fight), when both fighters attacked Frazier from the get-go and had Joe in a lot of trouble. ****, Frazier was even rocked by both a Manuel Ramos left hook and a Ron Stander right uppercut, early in both of those fights against aggressive, but very subpar opposition.

If those guys could give Frazier that much trouble with their aggressive styles, I have no doubts that Marciano would've knocked him out at some point.

Im sorry but Rocky Marciano did not have a higher work rate than Joe Frazier.
I don't know how to put this...yes he did. Apology accepted.

why does every1 put marciano down, hes never lost, if there ever was the greatest boxer which their isnt, it shud be marciano, not ali who lost 7 times. every1 just says hes so good coz he beat foreman, idiots
Ali lost five times. Marciano is a great fighter, and a lotta guys here like to put him down, but he wasn't the best ever.

I'm not sure who would win. It would all come down to who had the bigger heart. And I have no way of saying who had the bigger of the two. They both had HUGE hearts. I give the edge in power to Frazier and the edge in chin to Marciano. But I know it would end by KO. IF forced, I think I would say Marciano, but with no solid reason. I don't honestly know enough about the two to make an educated well reasoned argument. I think this would best be tackled by someone who has a good understanding of their opponents and how they were handled. Did MArciano fight anyone resembling Joe's style? Jersey Joe was similar but not close enough to warrant direct comparison. I never saw the Ezzard fight. Also, who did Joe fight that would compare with Marciano? Foreman is way too strong and big to compare to Marciano. I guess I asked more questions than I answered!

Joe Frazier did beat a prime Ali but the fact of the matter is that Rocky never lost. There is no blue print for beating the guy, not that Frazier ever would have fought him differently anyway because he only had one way to fight. Call me idealistic, but I think that Rocky would have found a way to win through his toughness and power, remember that Frazier never did deal with incredible power all that well.

Joe Frazier did beat a prime Ali but the fact of the matter is that Rocky never lost. There is no blue print for beating the guy, not that Frazier ever would have fought him differently anyway because he only had one way to fight. Call me idealistic, but I think that Rocky would have found a way to win through his toughness and power, remember that Frazier never did deal with incredible power all that well.

I agree. How ever, I must point out that Ali was not in his prime when he lost to Frazier... He just came back from a 3-year-layoff, and was not the same fighter as the 1967-version. That would be a different fight I think.

I agree. How ever, I must point out that Ali was not in his prime when he lost to Frazier... He just came back from a 3-year-layoff, and was not the same fighter as the 1967-version. That would be a different fight I think.

and now its my turn to agree with you. Ali did not have the same legs against Frazier that he did against Liston for example, but Frazier beat him as close to his prime as anyone ever did, and if we are talking ALI and not CLAY then Frazier beat a prime ALI because in reality when he changed names he also changed as a fighter and in my mind the two "careers" are almost seperate, like the difference between old Foreman and young Foreman.

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps

This would have been amongst the toughest most grueling fight,

Very likely that one off them would get permanently hurt.

Frazier had an inch and about 20 lbs on rock.

But had great heart, chin and power.

But i must give the edge too the rock fore even bigger heart, better and power in both arms not only the left hook.

The rock by late KO.

just to clear stuff up ali is the best hope that helps
Yes it does. Ali beat men that would have killed Marciano.

I think Frazier wins if he can survive the 1st 3 rounds.

As Don King would say that is Rediculosity. When Joe Fraizer beat Ali the first time, it was honestly discussed whether or not he was the greatest fighter ever. It was a debate between him and Ali, Rocky is a distant third at best.


I like Frazier alot, but the Ali he beat had just come back into the game, and was a far cry from what he had been before being forced into exile. With both Rocky and Frazier being inside fighters, it's not reaching too much to say that Frazier's chin would get tested, as well as his conditioning, as he slowed considerably in the later rounds, in hard fights, where the rock really didn't fight much different in the last round than he did in the opening round. Frazier also wasn't any faster than the rock, IF he was as fast. I dunno who would win, but it would be a great fight, that much I'm sure of.

IMO The rock wouldn't have been undefeated if he had fought in the 70's with Ali, Foreman, Norton ect. Rock beat a way past prime Louis and got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore. Frazier would have used Marciano as a punching bag.

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.
Good points. :cool:

Whoa man, watch it, you're about to go off half ****ed, I can see it coming. Moore was not just another lightheavy, he was one of the hardest punching lightheavies ever. Marciano was only dropped twice in a 49-fights career. I don't care who you are, that there's impressive right there. By comparison Frazier got dropped what, 12 times? Go on all you want about level of competition, going down six times more than another fighter is no accident. Point being, mebbe he would not be undefeated if he fought in the 70's, but he would be no journeyman.


archie moore is the greatest lightheavyweight of all time, and hE HAS THE MOST KO'S OF ANY BOXER THAT EVER LIVED - 145 knockouts! you guys are also forgetting one important thing, the rock was Frazier's idol - why do you think their styles were so similar? because frazier grew up watching the rock's fights as champ, he wanted to be marciano, and came as close as he could. Frazier would respect rocky too much if they fought, more important, he'd also be afraid of him. marciano by KO. oh, and another note, because i know this is gonna come up next - marciano punched harder than Foreman ( i can prove this with science if u like - hell, i'll do it right now. anybody that studied physics knows that transmitting force is about distance, the shorter and closer the punch, the more velocity and power. Foreman was a big puncher, but he hit from too far away, if Foreman did his work on the inside like Rocky did he'd have scrambled Ali's brains in Zaire )

Rock got knocked down by a light heavyweightin Moore.

Yeah, Archie Moore was a great light heavyweight, wasn't he? But are you really going to hold that knockdown against Marciano when both fighters came into the ring weighing about the EXACT same thing (both weighed 188 lbs. for that fight)?

If you are then you might want to criticize the chin of the guy who beat Frazier in two out of three, while he was well past his prime (and a guy you've already praised in this thread). Muhammad Ali was about knocked out by a fighter who not only weighed less than what Moore did for Marciano, but a guy that he had about 25 pounds on...Henry Cooper.

If Marciano's chin is going to be a factor in fantasy fights because of that knockdown (which was a perfect right hand that caught Rocky coming in and knocked him down for a brief count), what does that make Ali's (who had about or close to the best chin of all-time)?

and now its my turn to agree with you. Ali did not have the same legs against Frazier that he did against Liston for example, but Frazier beat him as close to his prime as anyone ever did, and if we are talking ALI and not CLAY then Frazier beat a prime ALI because in reality when he changed names he also changed as a fighter and in my mind the two "careers" are almost seperate, like the difference between old Foreman and young Foreman.

The Ali that Frazier beat had just beat two top fighters easily, so Frazier concievably beat a fighter that was just as good, if not better than the old Ali. We shouldn't forget that Frazier was the toughest fighter Ali ever faced and Frazier possibly could have beaten a young Ali also just because their styles were so different. Hopkins legs aren't the same as they were 10 years ago but who would you think is a better fighter, a young Hopkins or the one today?

Gloves were also smaller in the 50's than they were in the 70's

I don't know how to put this...yes he did. Apology accepted.


I dont know how to to say this...But you are a shamless nut hugger of every old white heavyweight.

Marciano wins by late round knockout in one of the greatest slugfests of all time. Marciano hit harder than Frazier and with both hands, had a much better chin, and his defense was just as good as Joe. He is a bit like Vitali in that he looks easy to hit but when you're in there with him it's a whole different story. Ali said he was extremely impressed with Marciano's defense when they sparred and this was an ancient, out of shape Rock fighting a prime Ali.

Who knows who would win? We've all seen enough fights to know that any fighter can beat any fighter on any night. You can't really compare strengths and weaknesses because they could be neutralized for all we know. Frazier's power could be neutralized by Marciano's body work and so forth. The only way to really predict, and this is a toss-up, is toughness. Who would probably be the last man standing? I'd have to go with Marciano, who fought in a time when fighters were generally more rugged. The only rugged fighter who Frazier ever fought was Foreman, who absolutely destroyed him. But you never know.....

The Ali that Frazier beat had just beat two top fighters easily, so Frazier concievably beat a fighter that was just as good, if not better than the old Ali. We shouldn't forget that Frazier was the toughest fighter Ali ever faced and Frazier possibly could have beaten a young Ali also just because their styles were so different. Hopkins legs aren't the same as they were 10 years ago but who would you think is a better fighter, a young Hopkins or the one today?

Never thought of it that way but also could it be that Ali won the second two fights because he addapted to Frazier's style because he was the SMARTER fighter?

Never thought of it that way but also could it be that Ali won the second two fights because he addapted to Frazier's style because he was the SMARTER fighter?

That's true, he was a smarter fighter, but I think Frazier won the second fight. Judges loved Ali.

Excellent match-up. I would have to go with Rocky by decision. Probably knockdowns from both fighters though.

I dont know how to to say this...But you are a shamless nut hugger of every old white heavyweight.
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Oh no, I am capable of shame. I mean, I'm ashamed to be in the same forum as a reverse-racist moron like yourself, who won't give any white fighter credit when it's due ****ING EVER. But I'm never ashamed of my opinions. And opinions are really all they are. Same as what you said, you ****-eating ******. You can't tell me that I'm wrong because YOU DON'T KNOW! You don't know whether Roack Marciano would lose to Joe Fraizer or whether Jack Dempsey would lose to Lennox Lewis. No one does. We're all guessing here. I mean, clearly, my guesses are more educated than yours, since most of the time I back them up with fact. Like the way I do know that Rocky Marciano's workrate was higher than Joe Frazier's because it's a STATISTICAL ****ING FACT. You ****. Jose, you're a horse's ass who gets personal every single ****ing chance you get. You should be banned for being an uncivil scrotum-sucker.

Did I ever discredit Joe Frazier? No. No I didn't. I never brought race into the discussion, either. Never do, as a matter of fact. You're abso-****ing-lutely fixated on it. **** you, go to hell, and every other curse word I can't think of right now because I'm so astounded by your imbecility. Blow me.

:firedevil OK :eek: On a lighter note, I think these two cats would have beat the **** out of each other. It would have, or at least might have, been a contender for the most brutal bout. It would have been a tough fight for both men, and I don't think either one of them would have been in any hurry to have a rematch. :boxing: