At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent ****ty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10.

For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand.

This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot.

But as of right now, I don't think he does...

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent ****ty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10.

For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand.

This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot.

But as of right now, I don't think he does...

I have to agree with you what warrents a title shot for Wlad? Hes looked terrible in his last couple of fights.

I would have to agree with you that after his last several bouts his future is left in doubt. He hardly deserves the title shot but I think they are giving it to him because of his past glories. They might be giving him the shot because he, out of the other contenders, has the best shot of beating Byrd.

I would have to agree with you that after his last several bouts his future is left in doubt. He hardly deserves the title shot but I think they are giving it to him because of his past glories. They might be giving him the shot because he, out of the other contenders, has the best shot of beating Byrd.

Your right, Wlad does have the best shot at beating Byrd. In fact he probably will beat him. Like I've said before Byrd's style is tailor made for Wlad, plus Byrd punches about as hard as I do, lol.

If this fight takes place, and he wins, he'll have to fight guy who can punch(thats everybody in the division except Byrd.)What I'm trying to say is that even if Wlad wins,his reign as IBF champion will be short unless he somehow miracously gains an ability to take a punch and learn how to pull the trigger again like he used to.

Your right, Wlad does have the best shot at beating Byrd. In fact he probably will beat him. Like I've said before Byrd's style is tailor made for Wlad, plus Byrd punches about as hard as I do, lol.

If this fight takes place, and he wins, he'll have to fight guy who can punch(thats everybody in the division except Byrd.)What I'm trying to say is that even if Wlad wins,his reign as IBF champion will be short unless he somehow miracously gains an ability to take a punch and learn how to pull the trigger again like he used to.

He will probably beat Byrd but I think Wlad has alot of chin and stamina problems so when he fights someone with a punch he will get hurt.

He will probably beat Byrd but I think Wlad has alot of chin and stamina problems so when he fights someone with a punch he will get hurt.

I totally agree, no matter what he does, ya gotta think that Wlad is ****ed.

Stick a fork in Wlad, he's done.

wlad doesnt deserve a shot but not many heavyweights deserve a shot either. golota didnt deserve his shot and john ruiz had been dismantled by roy jones and was given a shot in his next fight.

wlad doesnt deserve a shot but not many heavyweights deserve a shot either. golota didnt deserve his shot and john ruiz had been dismantled by roy jones and was given a shot in his next fight.

True, God the HW division sucks!

I wasnt that big into boxing when I watched the Jones Ruiz fight so I dont remeber what happened afterwards. What happened with the belt when Jones went back down?

I wasnt that big into boxing when I watched the Jones Ruiz fight so I dont remeber what happened afterwards. What happened with the belt when Jones went back down?

Jones vacated the title. Ruiz fought Rahman for the "title". He still has it.

If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker...
Mebbe Pernell Whitaker...:rolleyes:

Mebbe Pernell Whitaker...:rolleyes:


....Come on VB, why such hate for a guy like Wlad? Super nice guy with offensive weapons like no other heavy in the last 20 years. He is only 29 years old and has only been hurt by a punch once in his career. Out of gas against Purrity and Brewster and only truly hurt against Sanders. If he had taken Brewster out when he had him hurt none of the Wlad bashing would be going on right now. The guy gets one more chance IMO. You almost seem like a disgruntled woman when it comes to Wlad. Did you like him at one time and his failures pissed you off so bad that now you hate him? After the Mercer fight I just knew Lennox was ****ting his panties about having to fight Wlad. When he destroyed Mercer I thought the guy was gonna take the heavies by storm. Lennox was the happiest guy in the world when Sanders took him out and the fact that he called Sanders before the fight to encourage him and give him advice just shows how scared he was of Wlad. He probably ran straight to the bathroom to stroke his **** in happiness in not having to face Wlad as the public would have demanded. I like Wlad alot but I understand some of the criticism. What I don't understand is utter hatred for a guy like him. Give him a ****in break already. Hate a dick like Byrd or Ruiz but get off of Wlad's case already. :)

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent ****ty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10.

For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand.

This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot.

But as of right now, I don't think he does...

Who besides Wlad, who isn't tied into another fight deserves a title shot? Like Danny Williams before him there is no one, and Wlad is the highest IBF fighter available.

Your right, Wlad does have the best shot at beating Byrd. In fact he probably will beat him. Like I've said before Byrd's style is tailor made for Wlad, plus Byrd punches about as hard as I do, lol.

If this fight takes place, and he wins, he'll have to fight guy who can punch(thats everybody in the division except Byrd.)What I'm trying to say is that even if Wlad wins,his reign as IBF champion will be short unless he somehow miracously gains an ability to take a punch and learn how to pull the trigger again like he used to.

Not necessarily. He could make his first title defense against another soft hitter like Barrett.

....Come on VB, why such hate for a guy like Wlad? Super nice guy with offensive weapons like no other heavy in the last 20 years. He is only 29 years old and has only been hurt by a punch once in his career. Out of gas against Purrity and Brewster and only truly hurt against Sanders. If he had taken Brewster out when he had him hurt none of the Wlad bashing would be going on right now. The guy gets one more chance IMO. You almost seem like a disgruntled woman when it comes to Wlad. Did you like him at one time and his failures pissed you off so bad that now you hate him? After the Mercer fight I just knew Lennox was ****ting his panties about having to fight Wlad. When he destroyed Mercer I thought the guy was gonna take the heavies by storm. Lennox was the happiest guy in the world when Sanders took him out and the fact that he called Sanders before the fight to encourage him and give him advice just shows how scared he was of Wlad. He probably ran straight to the bathroom to stroke his **** in happiness in not having to face Wlad as the public would have demanded. I like Wlad alot but I understand some of the criticism. What I don't understand is utter hatred for a guy like him. Give him a ****in break already. Hate a dick like Byrd or Ruiz but get off of Wlad's case already. :)I don't hate him. I am disappointed that he turned out to have such a weak chin, but that's not even the reason I go against him now.

Against Sanders, he could have said, "****! That guy can punch!!!" but we got excuses instead.

Against Brewster he could have said, "I underestimated his toughness. I thought I could get him out early, but I went in with a bad gameplan and paid for it." Again, we got excuses instead.

That's also the reason for my Pac sig.

The thing I hate about excuses is that they take away from the other fighter's accomplishment.

Sanders did something that many people thought couldn't be done, and he did it in spectacular fashion.

Brewster weathered a HUGE beating for half a fight, taking BRUTAL punishment, but still managed to KO a much better, more skilled fighter in spectacular fashion.

JMM endured a brutal 1 st rd, and came back to absolutely dominate the rest of the fight.

Excuses take away these accomplishments. Be a man and say you got your ass kicked and will do better the next time.

If Wlad can come back and fight someone with pop and survive, I will revise my opinion of him. If he loses to someone he should dominate and gives them props, I will revise my opinion of him. Until then he will remain an overrated guy who coulda been.

he was drugged vs brewster

he lost to sanders cause sanders is underrated didnt he fight for the wbc title at soem point as i recall?

i havent seen the ross purity fight guess he ran outta gas.


i woulda loved to see wlad vs lewis so bad

Who besides Wlad, who isn't tied into another fight deserves a title shot? Like Danny Williams before him there is no one, and Wlad is the highest IBF fighter available.

Monte Barret. He is a way more deserving challenger than Wlad. Byrd is not in a mandatory defense period for his title so Wlad being ranked high doesn't mean ****.

he was drugged vs brewster

You got any proof? Didn't think so, so shut the **** up with that bull****.

This is another characteristic of Wlad fans like you, its like its never Wlad's fault, its like he can do no wrong, get ****ing real!

he lost to sanders cause sanders is underrated didnt he fight for the wbc title at soem point as i recall?

yeah, against your boy Vitali. surely you remember that?

You got any proof? Didn't think so, so shut the **** up with that bull****.

This is another characteristic of Wlad fans like you, its like its never Wlad's fault, its like he can do no wrong, get ****ing real!


findign the doctor report now gimmie a bit

yeah, against your boy Vitali. surely you remember that?


was tryign to be sarcastic

oh ok, my bad

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0406/two.htm


this is a little article not the one i was lookign for still tryign to find it

http://www.boxing-monthly.co.uk/content/0406/two.htm


this is a little article not the one i was lookign for still tryign to find it

Wow that does not help your case at all.Did you read the part where Wlad said himself that he cannot say he was drugged because he doesn't know for sure. And so far Wlad and his attorney has not given any evidence, so you know what that leaves...

Wlad=sore loser

Hey Sturmrules, don't you think that if the doctor's report had anything meaningful in it Wlad and his team would have presented to the commission or whoever is in charge? Bottomline is, its a dead issue, with Wlad coming outta of it looking like a sore loser and without a title.

Wlad should have took his loss like a true professional and kept his mouth shut.

This is all I will say on the matter.

cause he was drugged still looking for the article that says he had a bad blood sugar problem and seriosuly ask yourself do u really think lamon brewster is that good and could take those shots? also the odds on the fight change just before the fight i think klitschko was a 11-1 fav then all of a sudden dropped to 3-1 right before the fight. haters liek you will never see the picture don kign is a very shady character and i wouldnt put it past him.

SturmRules what are you five years old? Your spelling ability is for ****...

I totally agree, no matter what he does, ya gotta think that Wlad is ****ed.

Stick a fork in Wlad, he's done.


Naw, he's just young and got his confidence blown out by an experienced vet with a huge ****ing punch. It happens. It's happened before, it'll happen again. We'll know for sure whether he's done in a couple of years or so. He may be, but it's too early to tell yet.

Monte Barret. He is a way more deserving challenger than Wlad. Byrd is not in a mandatory defense period for his title so Wlad being ranked high doesn't mean ****.

How so? Wlad destroyed Barrett. He KD him 5 times over 7 rounds. Barrett lost to Mesi, SD Guinn (we all saw what Lyakhovich, a complete nobody did to him), and beat a glass chinned Beck. He's also ranked 7th by the IBF and Wlad is 6th, and he seems to not want to have anything to with King, which is why he seems to be gunning for Vitali. Barrett would be an easier fight for Vitali than Williams because Barrett has no power.

I think Wlad will win.

Wlad is a EXCELLENT BOXER, beautiful offense, lots of talent, and his chin is more fragile then glass.

In other words his a great boxer, but that chin of his has ruined it for him. Poor Guy. I am not a wlad fan.

But i think he will beat Byrd again.

BTW I saw that Ike Ibeabuchi fight last night, dammmmmn, HE KNOCKED THE **** OUT OF CHRIS BYRD!!!

Hey Sturmrules, don't you think that if the doctor's report had anything meaningful in it Wlad and his team would have presented to the commission or whoever is in charge? Bottomline is, its a dead issue, with Wlad coming outta of it looking like a sore loser and without a title.

Wlad should have took his loss like a true professional and kept his mouth shut.

This is all I will say on the matter.


yo ws.

acting like an immature 16 year old in this thread also I can see.

How so? Wlad destroyed Barrett. He KD him 5 times over 7 rounds. Barrett lost to Mesi, SD Guinn (we all saw what Lyakhovich, a complete nobody did to him), and beat a glass chinned Beck. He's also ranked 7th by the IBF and Wlad is 6th, and he seems to not want to have anything to with King, which is why he seems to be gunning for Vitali. Barrett would be an easier fight for Vitali than Williams because Barrett has no power.


This is exactly what I'm taliking about your living off Wlad's past glories. So what about Wlad beating Barret so what,its in the past and its over. In boxing your only as good as your last fight. Barret has beaten 2 undefeated fighters,and almost beat another one. You can't say well because so and so beat this guy that means he deserves a shot. And you can't say well so and so beat this guy that means he would beat this guy. This is boxing and that argument is unfounded and downright stupid.

Give Barrett 2 more rounds and he would have beaten Mesi.

That split Decision against Guinn was bull****, that one judge didn't see the fight, plus he was in Guinns hometown.

He showed courage with the cut he recieved from Beck and went on to KO him.

I don't even think I need to talk about how ****ty Wlad has performed in his last few outings.

yo ws.

acting like an immature 16 year old in this thread also I can see.

Are you still talking about that ****. Jesus you are a loser, get over it, and get a life.

This is exactly what I'm taliking about your living off Wlad's past glories. So what about Wlad beating Barret so what,its in the past and its over. In boxing your only as good as your last fight. Barret has beaten 2 undefeated fighters,and almost beat another one. You can't say well because so and so beat this guy that means he deserves a shot. And you can't say well so and so beat this guy that means he would beat this guy. This is boxing and that argument is unfounded and downright stupid.

Give Barrett 2 more rounds and he would have beaten Mesi.

That split Decision against Guinn was bull****, that one judge didn't see the fight, plus he was in Guinns hometown.

He showed courage with the cut he recieved from Beck and went on to KO him.

I don't even think I need to talk about how ****ty Wlad has performed in his last few outings.

First, how is it courageous when one fighter wins with a bad cut, but its a ****ty performance when another fighter comes back on every judges scorecard to a win a round in which he was KD? Second, how is it a bull**** decision in one fight where a fighter outlands his opponent 207-126, but its a fair decision when another fighter outlands his opponent 88-30? Third, contrary to your belief Wlad is 3-1 in his past 4 fights.

First, how is it courageous when one fighter wins with a bad cut, but its a ****ty performance when another fighter comes back on every judges scorecard to a win a round in which he was KD? Second, how is it a bull**** decision in one fight where a fighter outlands his opponent 207-126, but its a fair decision when another fighter outlands his opponent 88-30? Third, contrary to your belief Wlad is 3-1 in his past 4 fights.

You know its funny, I noticed two things about you. Firstly you seem to only post rebuttals to my posts when I'm offline and second that you seem to only post on the Klit brothers, and why DM would beat Roy Jones. Anyways...

Firstly, In the TOS fight, Wlad just looked bad, and he looked bad against a bad opponent. You can offer up all the punchstats you want, but sometimes you just have to watch the fight.Wlad looked tenative and got up from a flash KD, it wasn't something where he was hurt.

Secondly, this might be your weakest argument. How many fights have you seen where the guy who landed less won the fight, you see them all the time. Look at Johnson-Tarver recently, this is a perfect example of that. And did you even see the Guinn-Barrett fight, I'm thinking no, because only a moron would have Guinn winning that fight.

Thirdly Wlad is 3-1 against non-desprict opponents. Barrett has fought better fighters in his last few fights than Wlad has.

The point is that Barrett dererves a title shot more than Wlad. I can even start a thread to find out who everyone thinks is more deserving.

Neuraxis, don't forget to mention that the Guinn fight was in Little Rock. The only judge to give the fight to Guinn was also from Little Rock. He blew Guinn away so badly that even the fans there (my brother was amongst them) were booing that particular judge.

Third, contrary to your belief Wlad is 3-1 in his past 4 fights.

Let's look at his last 5 fights:

v Corrie Sanders - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Fabio Eduardo Moli - Had never fought outside Argentina. Hasn't done it since.
v Danell Nicholson - Had lost every time he ever stepped up. Even against Jeremy Williams. KO'd by 4 of his 5 losses, only going the distance against a young Kirk Johnson.
v Lamon Brewster - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Davarryl Williamson - Received a technical decision due to a cut. Many observers, including sportswriters, saw him tiring and thought this was likely the best outcome for him. While he may have gone on to win, we will never know.
His "comeback" round here was NOT courageous, and one judge had him losing. He "came back" in that round because it was a flash KD, and the only thing DW did in that round except make him expend energy.

Let's look at his last 5 fights:

v Corrie Sanders - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Fabio Eduardo Moli - Had never fought outside Argentina. Hasn't done it since.
v Danell Nicholson - Had lost every time he ever stepped up. Even against Jeremy Williams. KO'd by 4 of his 5 losses, only going the distance against a young Kirk Johnson.
v Lamon Brewster - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Davarryl Williamson - Received a technical decision due to a cut. Many observers, including sportswriters, saw him tiring and thought this was likely the best outcome for him. While he may have gone on to win, we will never know.
His "comeback" round here was NOT courageous, and one judge had him losing. He "came back" in that round because it was a flash KD, and the only thing DW did in that round except make him expend energy.

Excellent post, these rabid Wlad fans are just plain blind.

Guys, you forget something. Wlad cannot and would not demand **** like Byrd going to Germany. But we have a player, Don King, who is staging this **** and he is a smarty who knows two things:
1. Nobody would watch Wladimir in USA now but a lot of people would turn up for Wlad's title fight in Germany
2. Everybody is dead tired to watch Byrd dance around the ring so it's time for a new champ.

So there are your reasons why Wlad is getting a shot at the title and why it's going to take place in Germany. It has nothing to do with what Wlad or Byrd want or say, it's Don King doing what he does best - filling his pockets with cash.

Let's look at his last 5 fights:

v Corrie Sanders - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Fabio Eduardo Moli - Had never fought outside Argentina. Hasn't done it since.
v Danell Nicholson - Had lost every time he ever stepped up. Even against Jeremy Williams. KO'd by 4 of his 5 losses, only going the distance against a young Kirk Johnson.
v Lamon Brewster - KTFO in spectacular fashion.
v Davarryl Williamson - Received a technical decision due to a cut. Many observers, including sportswriters, saw him tiring and thought this was likely the best outcome for him. While he may have gone on to win, we will never know.
His "comeback" round here was NOT courageous, and one judge had him losing. He "came back" in that round because it was a flash KD, and the only thing DW did in that round except make him expend energy.

Moli is fighting Skelton in England later this month. We'll see if he can finish him off faster than Wlad did, ie 1:32.

So I guess Nicholson's win over John Ruiz isn't stepping up. That's fine with me, but just don't let neils know you said that. And you failed to mention that Wlad KO'd him faster than Tua and Golota.

As for Wlad winning the 4th round on every scorecard:

"After that, Klitschko then took the fight to Williamson for the rest of the round to such an extent that all three judges scored it a 10-9 round despite the knockdown."

http://www.ufc*********.com/octoberfist.html

And if Wlad was tiring, I think I am going to need some evidence of that like him losing the 5th round or him collapsing like he did at the end of the 4th round like he did in the Brewster fight, neither of which happened, so I don't know where you are getting the tired theory from.

He deserves one more shot at the title but after that, that's it for him.

You know its funny, I noticed two things about you. Firstly you seem to only post rebuttals to my posts when I'm offline and second that you seem to only post on the Klit brothers, and why DM would beat Roy Jones. Anyways...

Firstly, In the TOS fight, Wlad just looked bad, and he looked bad against a bad opponent. You can offer up all the punchstats you want, but sometimes you just have to watch the fight.Wlad looked tenative and got up from a flash KD, it wasn't something where he was hurt.

Secondly, this might be your weakest argument. How many fights have you seen where the guy who landed less won the fight, you see them all the time. Look at Johnson-Tarver recently, this is a perfect example of that. And did you even see the Guinn-Barrett fight, I'm thinking no, because only a moron would have Guinn winning that fight.

Thirdly Wlad is 3-1 against non-desprict opponents. Barrett has fought better fighters in his last few fights than Wlad has.

The point is that Barrett dererves a title shot more than Wlad. I can even start a thread to find out who everyone thinks is more deserving.

Wlad looked more awkward than tentative in the TOS fight, and besides Wlad looks tentative in the vast majority of his fights. That's just the way he has and always will fight.

There is difference between less, and less than half as much. Its not that difficult and you should know better. Go ahead and start a thread. I would imagine that all of the nutthuggers as marvdave refers to them will come out in numbers in support of Wlad. Neither Barrett nor Wlad has beaten a legitimate top 10 heavyweight in their past 4 fights, so its very subjective as to who you think deserves the title shot. And besides like I'v been saying Barrett seems fixated on Vitali because he doesn't seem to want to get involved with King, which he would have to do if wants to fight a King fighter.

Neuraxis-I can see arguing with you will go nowhere, as you continue to dodge everything I throw at you and believe what you wanna believe. You have only rebutted one of my points and that is to say Wlad looked awkward rather than tentative in his fight with TOS(that is up for debate). I can see that you are a rabid Wlad fan who will not listen to reason and this debate can be continued as long as we want it to continue. That is why I won't argue this matter anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the idea of punchstats and because so and so beat this guy then that means automatically he can beat this other guy...no, that is not how boxing works, where two live human beings are fighting not mechanical robots. By reading some of your posts I can see that you have never boxed before, this is evident in your faulty and stupid argument as stated above.

You are a one-dimensional poster who seems to only know about and talk about Euro-fighters...no wonder why you rely on such mechanical, unfluid, arguments. So go ahead and live in your dreamworld and be happy and keep telling yourself that Wlad does the deserve a shot and will be back to regain his past glories.

I leave with this food for thought for you: There is more to boxing than just the Klit brothers, and boxing is fought between human beings not robots. Also, you can't learn everything about boxing by just logging on to boxrec.com to check on fighters and fights,(this I'm sure you did when talking about the Barrett-Guinn fight, cause clearly you never saw it).

BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON A FIGHT MAKE SURE YOUVE SEEN IT, AND REMEMBER BOXING IS BETWEEN HUMANS NOT MACHINES.

BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON A FIGHT MAKE SURE YOUVE SEEN IT, AND REMEMBER BOXING IS BETWEEN HUMANS NOT MACHINES.

I can't agree less

[QUOTE=Neuraxis]Moli is fighting Skelton in England later this month. We'll see if he can finish him off faster than Wlad did, ie 1:32.


Skeltons not too clever N, infact he's a bit ****, but gives it his all with the very limited skills he's got, but Moli is a ****in joke if skelton doesn't do him within 5 minutes i'll be very disappointed.
I'm not getting into this klit thing again i've stated my opinion before on them both, however, whoever posted about the don king, Wlad in germany, and trying to get rid of Byrd made a very good point, Don might be old but he's a sneaky old ****a and greedy, he makes that fight in Germany and everyones a winner in some respects :
Don - Lines his pockets more
Byrd - He's the champ, so gets paid well for fighting away in front of Wlads own crowd
Wlad - Has a very big chance of regaining some of his past glory, pick up a belt, pick up a decent payday and help don get rid of one of the most boring champs ever.

Good old don the sly old fox

Neuraxis-I can see arguing with you will go nowhere, as you continue to dodge everything I throw at you and believe what you wanna believe. You have only rebutted one of my points and that is to say Wlad looked awkward rather than tentative in his fight with TOS(that is up for debate). I can see that you are a rabid Wlad fan who will not listen to reason and this debate can be continued as long as we want it to continue. That is why I won't argue this matter anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the idea of punchstats and because so and so beat this guy then that means automatically he can beat this other guy...no, that is not how boxing works, where two live human beings are fighting not mechanical robots. By reading some of your posts I can see that you have never boxed before, this is evident in your faulty and stupid argument as stated above.

You are a one-dimensional poster who seems to only know about and talk about Euro-fighters...no wonder why you rely on such mechanical, unfluid, arguments. So go ahead and live in your dreamworld and be happy and keep telling yourself that Wlad does the deserve a shot and will be back to regain his past glories.

I leave with this food for thought for you: There is more to boxing than just the Klit brothers, and boxing is fought between human beings not robots. Also, you can't learn everything about boxing by just logging on to boxrec.com to check on fighters and fights,(this I'm sure you did when talking about the Barrett-Guinn fight, cause clearly you never saw it).

BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON A FIGHT MAKE SURE YOUVE SEEN IT, AND REMEMBER BOXING IS BETWEEN HUMANS NOT MACHINES.

That last line is a good line for you, as I doubt you've seen very many Klitschko fights. The next time you want to make a post like that just do this and save yourself some trouble.

http://www.moragalleries.com.au/seastaugh/white_flag.jpg

And one more thing, I thought Rick banned you CITA. You are pretty sly.

Neuraxis-I can see arguing with you will go nowhere, as you continue to dodge everything I throw at you and believe what you wanna believe. You have only rebutted one of my points and that is to say Wlad looked awkward rather than tentative in his fight with TOS(that is up for debate). I can see that you are a rabid Wlad fan who will not listen to reason and this debate can be continued as long as we want it to continue. That is why I won't argue this matter anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the idea of punchstats and because so and so beat this guy then that means automatically he can beat this other guy...no, that is not how boxing works, where two live human beings are fighting not mechanical robots. By reading some of your posts I can see that you have never boxed before, this is evident in your faulty and stupid argument as stated above.

You are a one-dimensional poster who seems to only know about and talk about Euro-fighters...no wonder why you rely on such mechanical, unfluid, arguments. So go ahead and live in your dreamworld and be happy and keep telling yourself that Wlad does the deserve a shot and will be back to regain his past glories.

I leave with this food for thought for you: There is more to boxing than just the Klit brothers, and boxing is fought between human beings not robots. Also, you can't learn everything about boxing by just logging on to boxrec.com to check on fighters and fights,(this I'm sure you did when talking about the Barrett-Guinn fight, cause clearly you never saw it).

BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON A FIGHT MAKE SURE YOUVE SEEN IT, AND REMEMBER BOXING IS BETWEEN HUMANS NOT MACHINES.


DAAAMN.....
This is the best post I've seen in a while !

Talk about a 100% accurate HOMERUN !

DAAAMN.....
This is the best post I've seen in a while !

Talk about a 100% accurate HOMERUN !

Why don't you and CITA get a room.

Neuraxis-I can see arguing with you will go nowhere, as you continue to dodge everything I throw at you and believe what you wanna believe. You have only rebutted one of my points and that is to say Wlad looked awkward rather than tentative in his fight with TOS(that is up for debate). I can see that you are a rabid Wlad fan who will not listen to reason and this debate can be continued as long as we want it to continue. That is why I won't argue this matter anymore.

Your whole argument is based on the idea of punchstats and because so and so beat this guy then that means automatically he can beat this other guy...no, that is not how boxing works, where two live human beings are fighting not mechanical robots. By reading some of your posts I can see that you have never boxed before, this is evident in your faulty and stupid argument as stated above.

You are a one-dimensional poster who seems to only know about and talk about Euro-fighters...no wonder why you rely on such mechanical, unfluid, arguments. So go ahead and live in your dreamworld and be happy and keep telling yourself that Wlad does the deserve a shot and will be back to regain his past glories.

I leave with this food for thought for you: There is more to boxing than just the Klit brothers, and boxing is fought between human beings not robots. Also, you can't learn everything about boxing by just logging on to boxrec.com to check on fighters and fights,(this I'm sure you did when talking about the Barrett-Guinn fight, cause clearly you never saw it).

BEFORE YOU COMMENT ON A FIGHT MAKE SURE YOUVE SEEN IT, AND REMEMBER BOXING IS BETWEEN HUMANS NOT MACHINES.


...Hey, who is the queer Hari Krishna in your avatar? Or is it a Moonie? I get those two confused.

Wladdy may not get his " title shot " anyway, i hear Byrdy wants to make a fight with James Toney, i guess so he can lose his IBF belt to Toney instead and complete JT's collection of IBF championships

Wladdy may not get his " title shot " anyway, i hear Byrdy wants to make a fight with James Toney, i guess so he can lose his IBF belt to Toney instead and complete JT's collection of IBF championships

And if Toney can come in below 220 lbs, he should beat Byrd. I'm just not sure if he can get below 220 lbs.

Byrd's new stand and trade style means he's alot easier to hit, no matter what weight JT comes in at, he'll beat Byrd

...Hey, who is the queer Hari Krishna in your avatar? Or is it a Moonie? I get those two confused.

Are you serious, I assume your joking? Its the Pittsburgh Kid, Paul Spadafora.

And if Toney can come in below 220 lbs, he should beat Byrd. I'm just not sure if he can get below 220 lbs.


Well, he should be able to get in under 220, but I just don't know what his discipline is like these days. When he was younger it wasn't as important (we all remember those days, I'm sure), but at his age now, he has to watch himself closely, and I just don't know if he has it in himself to do that. But I think you're right, if he can get his weight down where he needs it, he stands an excellant chance against Byrd, and I think I'd actually pick him to win by clean KO if I were forced to make an honest pick.

I do want to say, though, I am NOT a fan of Toney. I know he's a great fighter, and one of the best inside-men in the business, but his mouth and attitude just put me off the man. I wish he were more easy-going, and more gentlemanlike both inside and out of the ring, but I guess we can't have everything. Some of these guys make me want to call them up, or go see them and talk with them about their behaviour. I know that sounds stupid, but when you have kids, this is the sort of thing that goes through your head :)

Wlad hasn't done anything to deserve a title shot. Plus, he hasn't gotten over getting ktfo'd by Brewster. Barrett is much more deserving and would probably be a better fight to watch. At Wlad's current state, I would be surprised if Byrd tried to take it to him to see if he could get a KO out of poor little Wladmir.

no matter what weight JT comes in at, he'll beat Byrd

That's a bit of stretch.

Well, he should be able to get in under 220, but I just don't know what his discipline is like these days. When he was younger it wasn't as important (we all remember those days, I'm sure), but at his age now, he has to watch himself closely, and I just don't know if he has it in himself to do that. But I think you're right, if he can get his weight down where he needs it, he stands an excellant chance against Byrd, and I think I'd actually pick him to win by clean KO if I were forced to make an honest pick.

I do want to say, though, I am NOT a fan of Toney. I know he's a great fighter, and one of the best inside-men in the business, but his mouth and attitude just put me off the man. I wish he were more easy-going, and more gentlemanlike both inside and out of the ring, but I guess we can't have everything. Some of these guys make me want to call them up, or go see them and talk with them about their behaviour. I know that sounds stupid, but when you have kids, this is the sort of thing that goes through your head :)

I would pic Toney by UD if he came in under 220 lbs, but I bet he'll come in more like 235 lbs. I don't think that Toney has the power to KO Byrd.

Byrd's new stand and trade style means he's alot easier to hit, no matter what weight JT comes in at, he'll beat Byrd

I don't mean to post on the same quote as someone else, but have you considered Toney's age? He's 36, very prone to injury, has barely had 3 fights in 3 years, one of the last two against a used up Holyfield, the other against a young (23) and "undefeated" Rydell Booker (I don't even recognize most of his opponents) whom he failed to KO, and won a lopsided decision against.

Byrd is 34, always in good shape, still very quick (at this point), and probably has another year or 3 before his reflexes become unreliable and he's no longer able to slip most of the big shots.

If Toney comes into the ring heavy, he's going to lose a UD to Byrd. If he comes in at the weight he should, and has trained hard for the fight, he stands a good chance of getting a late round KO against Byrd, or failing that, a 3 or 4 point decision....but ONLY if he's in good shape and in fighting trim. If he isn't, this will be the last fight he'll be worth watching in, if it happens at all. At his age, he doesn't have time to take another year off to get his mind and body back into shape and make a comeback, especially at the rate he's fighting.

True, God the HW division sucks!

ur totally right. since lennox left the heavyweight is sooo desperate for a star that vitali is the"#1" heavyweight around right now. vitali sux just like his bro except vitali has a chin. u kno the heavyweight division is weak when sam peter a prospect is being labeled by some as one of the top 10-15 heavyweights! :mad: its a shame

Skeltons not too clever N, infact he's a bit ****, but gives it his all with the very limited skills he's got, but Moli is a ****in joke if skelton doesn't do him within 5 minutes i'll be very disappointed.

That's the thing though. If a no confidence fighter, with a glass chin and no stamina who doesn't belong in the top 25 (the majority of the forum's opinion, not mine) can beat Moli that quickly and if Skelton struggles with Moli at all, it doesn't look too good for him.

As for Wlad winning the 4th round on every scorecard:

"After that, Klitschko then took the fight to Williamson for the rest of the round to such an extent that all three judges scored it a 10-9 round despite the knockdown."
I should have been more clear. One judge had Klit losing the fight.

And I can't believe you're trying to prop up the Moli win. Moli is an Argentine club fighter. I also can't believe you're trying to prop up a B level, past his "prime" fighter like Nicholson. No, I don't consider Ruiz a step up. He's champion because he's a King fighter and he fills seats because people want to see him get killed in the ring. As soon as people wise up to that and stop watching, he will be replaced by a new King fighter.

I should have been more clear. One judge had Klit losing the fight.

And I can't believe you're trying to prop up the Moli win. Moli is an Argentine club fighter. I also can't believe you're trying to prop up a B level, past his "prime" fighter like Nicholson. No, I don't consider Ruiz a step up. He's champion because he's a King fighter and he fills seats because people want to see him get killed in the ring. As soon as people wise up to that and stop watching, he will be replaced by a new King fighter.

Right and that judge should be taken out back and slapped in front of his kids.

As i big klit fan i admitt it, wlad doesnt deserve a title shot at the moment.

He needs some good tune upps first.

As i big klit fan i admitt it, wlad doesnt deserve a title shot at the moment.

He needs some good tune upps first.

But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell.

But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell.


Monte Barret.

Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot.

But then again who during the past year has deserved a title shot. Golota, Oquendo, Meehan, Rahman, and Williams did not deserve title shots. The only two I can see as deserving title shots are Sanders for beating Wlad and maybe McCline for beating Boswell.

True

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Monte Barret.

Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot.

Perhaps, but we are talking about other "undeserving" title shots during the past year.

Monte Barret.

Wlad is coming off a loss to Brewster and a controversial technical win where he was down!!This does not consititute a title shot.

And BTW what was so controversial about that win. Yes it may not have been as good of a win as Wlad would have liked, but there was nothing controversial about it. Or do you agree with TOS when he said that the 4th round should have been scored 10-7, Wlad should have been penalized or ever DQ'd for holding, and that the cut was caused by a punch?

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent ****ty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10.

For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand.

This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot.

But as of right now, I don't think he does...



1. Rankings are a very subjective matter. However Wlad does remain well ranked by the leading boxing organizations.

2. Is Wlad living in a dream world? No, he is living in the business world. If he can get the Byrd fight, it will be good for him. Why should not he try to get that fight?

3. Who cares what you will say in the case of Wlad getting a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like... Whitaker? The question is: if Wlad soundly beats Byrd, what will you say?

:fu2:

Right and that judge should be taken out back and slapped in front of his kids.
It depends on what you're looking at. I had the fight 48-47 for Wlad at the time of the stoppage, and gave him the 10-9 in the 4th. I did, however, think that TOS was executing the perfect game plan against Wlad given his stamina problems. He had Wlad chasing him all around that ring, then would punch his way out of trouble when Wlad got too close. I gave the "Ring Generalship" to TOS for every round of that fight. Wlad's punches, though he was landing, were neither clean nor effective punches. A high number of them were fully or partially blocked. The judge, who I thought had it wrong, too, may have been looking at how TOS was making Wlad fight his fight, and the overall defensive skills that TOS was showing.

It depends on what you're looking at. I had the fight 48-47 for Wlad at the time of the stoppage, and gave him the 10-9 in the 4th. I did, however, think that TOS was executing the perfect game plan against Wlad given his stamina problems. He had Wlad chasing him all around that ring, then would punch his way out of trouble when Wlad got too close. I gave the "Ring Generalship" to TOS for every round of that fight. Wlad's punches, though he was landing, were neither clean nor effective punches. A high number of them were fully or partially blocked. The judge, who I thought had it wrong, too, may have been looking at how TOS was making Wlad fight his fight, and the overall defensive skills that TOS was showing.

See even you couldn't have TOS winning that fight. This is boxing, and in boxing you have to land punches to win rounds. Besides for the 1st and 4th rounds TOS landed something like 3 punches a round.

See even you couldn't have TOS winning that fight. This is boxing, and in boxing you have to land punches to win rounds. Besides for the 1st and 4th rounds TOS landed something like 3 punches a round.
I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one.

I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one.

Right that's what I said. I said even you didn't see TOS winning the fight. Maybe so on your prediction, but we'll never know.

At least not at this point. If you would have asked me what I thought of Wlad before he fought Sanders I would have told you, "He is the number one heavyweight contendor and deserves a crack at Lennox Lewis." After some recent ****ty performnaces I would say that he doesn't even deserved to be ranked in the top 10.

For him to make Byrd come to Germany is insane. Is Wlad living in a dream world? Does he not realize how awful he has looked in his last 2 fights? This guy does not deserve to fight Byrd let alone make the rediculous demand.

This is the problem, he and his fans and backers are living off Wlad's past glories and success. If he gets a resounding and uncontroversial win over a guy like Whitaker,or Sanders in a rematch, or even TOS in a rematch, then maybe I will say that he should get a title shot.

But as of right now, I don't think he does...

You are also completely ignoring Vitali's leverage concerning this matter.

someone on a different thread said that the fight in Germany would make a lot more money for both fighters. Anybody know if that's true.

someone on a different thread said that the fight in Germany would make a lot more money for both fighters. Anybody know if that's true.
Likely true. No one here would buy a Byrd/Little Klit PPV.

I never said that I gave TOS the fight. I had Wlad winng up to the stoppage, but I could easily tell what TOS was doing and given Wlad's recent stamina problems and exposed chin, combined with TOS's pop I think the stoppage may have been the best outcome for Little Klit. I could easily see TOS getting a late KO the way he was conserving engry while making Wlad expend it. Not a pretty or stunning way to win a fight, but a well thought out and effective one.

Speaking of Doug Tucker, the judge who had it 48-47 TOS, he also had Judah v. Spinks I 116-111. Which is a pretty hard score to come up with for that fight and it also means that when Judah KD'd Spinks he only scored it 10-9 Judah. Very weak.

Sick of this topic, Wlad deserves a shot just as much as anyone else

He deserve title based on his whole-life resume, also he is highest available in the current IBF ranking so he is simple mandatory to Byrd.
Beside this he is considered as a much bigger threat to Byrd's belt than Barrett - even Byrd realize that Barrett will be much weaker oponent. If someone would have a shot before Wlat this would be Golota (in remach) or Sanders (recently KO Wlad).

I think he still deserves one. The heavyweight divison is shallow, and there are few people worthy enough of challenging for one of the titles. If Don King's HW tournament takes place, he was slated to enter. The only conflict with this, is that he would have the posibility of having to fight his brother.

Likely true. No one here would buy a Byrd/Little Klit PPV.

I would! :biggthump