I swear the guy use to be entertaining, but he's pretty much adopted the type of style which I hate the most. ****ing take the guy down and lay and pray. I just realized, GSP is afraid to get hit, that's why he fights this way. I saw it when Alves took the top position and landed a few punches, and i could see the discomfort on GSP's face.

He reminds me of ****ing Dan Severn at his worst.

Not a very interesting fight there, I'll agree.

Alves done a great job restricting GSP's ground and pound however St Pierre adopted similar tactics for large chunks of his fights with Penn, Serra and Fitch however those fights were better as he was able to mount more offence from the ground. It would have been foolish in the extreme to get into a slugfest with Alves tonight.

GSP Vs Alves stand up, Alves wins. GSP knew he had to take the fight to ground.

GSP Vs Alves stand up, Alves wins. GSP knew he had to take the fight to ground.
Nah, that's just how he fights now. Every fight since Serra 1 has been the same script.

You guys are true casual fans. GSP outstruck him and picked him apart like I said he would and dominated him everywhere.


****ing Cry about it

GSP is the truth

Oh and to the OP. Who actually enjoys getting hit?

Is he supposed to stick his chin out and goad Thiago into clocking him?

Would that satisfy you?

Idiot

You guys are true casual fans. GSP outstruck him and picked him apart like I said he would and dominated him everywhere.


****ing Cry about it

Oh and to the OP. Who actually enjoys getting hit?

Is he supposed to stick his chin out and goad Thiago into clocking him?

Would that satisfy you?

Idiot

Hey man i apologized once in the title. If GSP actually could manage something other than putting me to sleep I'd give him some props, however he has adapted the worst sort of style in MMA in my opinion. I'm not saying he should stick his chin out, but I swear the guy is afraid to damage his ****ing appearance or something.

Also as for Rogan calling GSP the best wrestler in MMA, I just have to call bull**** on that. I also have to call it a disgrace to make those remarks during a card on which Dan Henderson, a two time Olympian and easily one of the top 3 or 4 greatest wrestlers to grace the sport, was on the card.

At the end of the day, it's just my opinion so deal with it.

GSP was fighting a bit more cautiously than usual looking to counter more.

He could've tried working some moves on the ground to apply a submission, but he chose to strike instead.

Hey man i apologized once in the title. If GSP actually could manage something other than putting me to sleep I'd give him some props, however he has adapted the worst sort of style in MMA in my opinion. I'm not saying he should stick his chin out, but I swear the guy is afraid to damage his ****ing appearance or something.

Also as for Rogan calling GSP the best wrestler in MMA, I just have to call bull**** on that. I also have to call it a disgrace to make those remarks during a card on which Dan Henderson, a two time Olympian and easily one of the top 3 or 4 greatest wrestlers to grace the sport, was on the card.

At the end of the day, it's just my opinion so deal with it.

He fight smart. I know this sounds unusual coming from a Wanderlei Silva fan, but it's about taking the least amount of damage while inflicting the most and that's what he did, that's what he's been doing, and that's what he will continue to do.

While it may not always please everyone it will ensure he has a long career because he won't be taking unnecessary damage for taking unnecessary risks.

It's smart and it works

i want to be entertained and GSp has been very boring lately

yup GSP's been gun shy since the smaller Serra beat the hell out of him in their first fight, he's gone the reverse of where koscheck was.....GSP is the new Blanket, while Kos has been putting up great fights, who have thought it would come to this.

People who are totally unsatisfied with GSP's win and are complaining that he's boring to watch are more likely than not, just casual MMA fans and probably don't follow the sport as extensively. They just want that flash KO. Honestly...what more does he have to do? He proved that he's the best welterweight and the most dominant fighter in his division. He beat Hughes, Serra, Koscheck, Fitch, Penn and now Alvez. Does he always have to get a submission, KO/TKO to prove his worthiness? It's honestly becoming a joke nowadays. Fans only want KO's and won't settle with anything less. The guy beat Alvez with a pulled groin and still dominated. What else is there left to prove?

I gotta give credit to Alves. His ability to escape from GSP off his back was pretty much unprecedented.

People who are totally unsatisfied with GSP's win and are complaining that he's boring to watch are more likely than not, just casual MMA fans and probably don't follow the sport as extensively. They just want that flash KO. Honestly...what more does he have to do? He proved that he's the best welterweight and the most dominant fighter in his division. He beat Hughes, Serra, Koscheck, Fitch, Penn and now Alvez. Does he always have to get a submission, KO/TKO to prove his worthiness? It's honestly becoming a joke nowadays. Fans only want KO's and won't settle with anything less. The guy beat Alvez with a pulled groin and still dominated. What else is there left to prove?

I don't degrade GSP the fighter, but I can hardly bare the style that he has adopted. By the way, I began wrestling at the age of 8 and was very successful, placing 5 in my state in HS and 2nd in Judo afterwards. I am just not a fan of the lay and pray style, which GSP has mastered so well.

GSP is the floyd mayweather of mma in terms of style... cuz he's there to take less damage while picking u apart and countering. Can't be mad at that.

I don't degrade GSP the fighter, but I can hardly bare the style that he has adopted. By the way, I began wrestling at the age of 8 and was very successful, placing 5 in my state in HS and 2nd in Judo afterwards. I am just not a fan of the lay and pray style, which GSP has mastered so well.

Yeah because looking at Alves and Fitch's faces after St. Pierre tore through them is indicative of Lay and Pray

I don't degrade GSP the fighter, but I can hardly bare the style that he has adopted. By the way, I began wrestling at the age of 8 and was very successful, placing 5 in my state in HS and 2nd in Judo afterwards. I am just not a fan of the lay and pray style, which GSP has mastered so well.

I agree. These guys are talking about casual fans. They are the ones acting like GSP faught like this his entire career. GSP was striking and banging before he got rattled by Serra. GSP has become a LnP artist, which makes him a boring fighter now. And won the fight just like I said he would... by LnP. Future of MMA? Nah, he reverted and pulled a Matt Hughes out of his ass.

These are also the same dudes saying Silva has been "boring" in his last few fights... :nonono:

UFC hype machine was at it again. Alves "toughest" opponent to date. What a joke.

GSP actually disappointed me tonight. Its bad enough he cried about his groin for 10 minutes but to seem reluctant on moving up in weight for a big money, legacy fights to beat up tomato cans at 170 is embarassing.

GSP is just way above everybody at 170, its pathetic that the UFC will continue giving this guy unworthy opponents.

I agree. These guys are talking about casual fans. They are the ones acting like GSP faught like this his entire career. GSP was striking and banging before he got rattled by Serra. GSP has become a LnP artist, which makes him a boring fighter now. And won the fight just like I said he would... by LnP. Future of MMA? Nah, he reverted and pulled a Matt Hughes out of his ass.

These are also the same dudes saying Silva has been "boring" in his last few fights... :nonono:
Well said man. I'm just speaking my mind, I don't care what anyone thinks.

a couple guys are totally right..ever since he got clocked by serra its quite clear gsp is not gonna be all out in front of enemy lines like the o'l gsp..

see i ALREADY knew this...but i was kinda hoping that gsp would go for the k.o. in this one, or stand up and take risks but that didnt happen..
i know that there has been talks of him and Silva and everything but man i dont think im gonna be picking gsp at this point [unlike before gsp/serra1 ]..

just like roy jones...and yes people just incase:

Taking the fight on the ground as much as he has the last couple fights is being gun shy ala roy jones..

I don't degrade GSP the fighter, but I can hardly bare the style that he has adopted. By the way, I began wrestling at the age of 8 and was very successful, placing 5 in my state in HS and 2nd in Judo afterwards. I am just not a fan of the lay and pray style, which GSP has mastered so well.

So in other words, you expect a KO/TKO from him, no? You expect a old school brawl where both guys are standing and swinging until someone falls, no? But that's not GSP. He fights his style of fight now and is much smarter in his strategy. He mixes it up.

In fact, even when they were striking, GSP knocked Alvez down. So what else do you want him to do? The problem is that no matter how dominant a fighter is, and no matter how hard they fight in a fight, people like you still want that KO/TKO to happen and won't accept a decision win regardless of how dominant a fighter is. I find that to be unfortunate, especially coming from a long time MMA fan like you. I'd usually expect that from a casual fan who wants nothing more than to see quick 10 seconds KO's in every fight.

I don't see the problem or why anyone thinks that since the Serra fight GSP won't stand with anyone. He's always been a wrestler, always gone for takedowns and looked to smother and punish opponents. Even prior to his UFC career he was doing the same things and hasn't stopped.

It's not like he is doing a Matt Lindland and basically holding on and lying on top of the guy without moving. Look at Thiago's face after that fight. That wasn't the face of a guy who had just been through 5 rounds of L'n'P, that was the face of a guy who took a beating for 5 rounds.

Thiago couldn't get a rhythm going because he was worried about takedowns, which left openings standing for GSP to pick him off with the jab and the right straights. The mixing up between takedowns and standup was the perfect way to take Thiago out of his element and not let him settle into a comfort zone. Smart fighting and well implemented strategy.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/GracieJJfighter/i-5-1-1.jpg

The result of Lay and Pray

Oh and to the OP. Who actually enjoys getting hit?

Is he supposed to stick his chin out and goad Thiago into clocking him?

Would that satisfy you?

Idiot

Wanderlei Silva, Forrest Griffin, Mark Hunt, Rampage, Henderson, etc.

In short, badasses, not ******* like GSP. Great fighter, but is obviously scared out of his ****in' mind when he fights.

Wanderlei Silva, Forrest Griffin, Mark Hunt, Rampage, Henderson, etc.

In short, badasses, not ******* like GSP. Great fighter, but is obviously scared out of his ****in' mind when he fights.

They don't MIND getting hit. Who actually walks into a fight looks forward to getting their clock cleaned?

You are an idiot. He stood with Alves, picked him apart and dropped him and he's STILL afraid to stand?

You, sir are an idiot.

It's about taking the least amount of damage an inflicting the most. That's why he's the best. He fights smart.

They don't MIND getting hit. Who actually walks into a fight looks forward to getting their clock cleaned?

You are an idiot. He stood with Alves, picked him apart and dropped him and he's STILL afraid to stand?

You, sir are an idiot.

It's about taking the least amount of damage an inflicting the most. That's why he's the best. He fights smart.

So I guess I should have said "GSP minds getting hit" instead of "does not like to."

Really dude, you should've known what I meant. It's called a colloquial expression. Thanks for revealing your misunderstanding though.

They don't MIND getting hit. Who actually walks into a fight looks forward to getting their clock cleaned?

You are an idiot. He stood with Alves, picked him apart and dropped him and he's STILL afraid to stand?

You, sir are an idiot.

It's about taking the least amount of damage an inflicting the most. That's why he's the best. He fights smart.

How am I an idiot? Thanks for calling me sir, as I am obviously on a higher level of maturity than you, but I am not an idiot. You asked a question and I responded.

I do recall Forrest saying that he "loves to get hit," just before watching him get punched in the head by his buddy on TUF, and I do remember him saying it again before he fought Rashad claiming that it "Wakes me up." Same with Wanderlei, who enjoys his sparring partners blasting him full force to toughen his skin. Same with Rampage, who has been quoted saying "I love to show the guy I'm fighting that he can't hurt me, so sometimes I let myself get hit." Same thing with Mark Hunt, who is quoted saying "If I see the head kick coming, I'm going to let it land and get inside - He needs to know that it won't hurt me," in reference to a Mirko CroCop head kick.

What did you say again?

Wanderlei Silva, Forrest Griffin, Mark Hunt, Rampage, Henderson, etc.

In short, badasses, not ******* like GSP. Great fighter, but is obviously scared out of his ****in' mind when he fights.

I guess Machida is a ***** as well.

I guess Machida is a ***** as well.

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That is actually seen as a great honour in Japan. The Inoki slap is legendary.

That is actually seen as a great honour in Japan. The Inoki slap is legendary.

When I was born, Inoki slapped me on the ass.

That is actually seen as a great honour in Japan. The Inoki slap is legendary.
Yeah I know the story. But I don't think Machida is afraid to get hit.

Yeah I know the story. But I don't think Machida is afraid to get hit.

Neither do I. My original post was sarcasm. I think not minding being hit doesn't mean you go out of your way to get hit. But if you can win a fight without taking any big shots doesn't make you a wimp. As proven with Machida every time he fights.

Neither do I. My original post was sarcasm. I think not minding being hit doesn't mean you go out of your way to get hit. But if you can win a fight without taking any big shots doesn't make you a wimp. As proven with Machida every time he fights.
The thing is, I do think GSP is afraid to get hit. Call it opinion if you like, that's just how I see it.

The thing is, I do think GSP is afraid to get hit. Call it opinion if you like, that's just how I see it.

Fair enough, but I don't think it's the case. I don't think he minds getting hit, but he just doesn't want to get hit hard. Can't blame anyone for that whether it be GSP or any fighter. I just think he respects people who have power in their hands and knows that if he neutralises that aspect then he can implement his own gameplan. Quite frankly, thinking that someone is afraid to get hit or hurt is only an assumption/opinion. Like I say with every person when looking to judge another for choices they make, walk a mile in their shoes and see if you could do any better. If it was me, I know full well with the type of power Alve's has I wouldn't sleep on the guy. Look at the guys prior to this fight who decided to go toe to toe with Alves. It didn't work for any of them, and when Alve's has weaknesses elsewhere then the smart thing to do is exploit them. It may not be the most friendly approach to those who just want to see blood spilled, bones broken and utter violence. But any true fan can respect the guy because he has proven at 170 that he has no equal. It's easy for us to pick away at little things that we might have a problem with but at the end of the day, they're the ones who have to get in there while we all watch on.

Fair enough, but I don't think it's the case. I don't think he minds getting hit, but he just doesn't want to get hit hard. Can't blame anyone for that whether it be GSP or any fighter. I just think he respects people who have power in their hands and knows that if he neutralises that aspect then he can implement his own gameplan. Quite frankly, thinking that someone is afraid to get hit or hurt is only an assumption/opinion. Like I say with every person when looking to judge another for choices they make, walk a mile in their shoes and see if you could do any better. If it was me, I know full well with the type of power Alve's has I wouldn't sleep on the guy. Look at the guys prior to this fight who decided to go toe to toe with Alves. It didn't work for any of them, and when Alve's has weaknesses elsewhere then the smart thing to do is exploit them. It may not be the most friendly approach to those who just want to see blood spilled, bones broken and utter violence. But any true fan can respect the guy because he has proven at 170 that he has no equal. It's easy for us to pick away at little things that we might have a problem with but at the end of the day, they're the ones who have to get in there while we all watch on.
Well, I'm talking in terms of realitives here. I understand that fighters generally do not truly want to be hit, and that at the top level often one shot is all it takes. I just think that relatively speaking, GSP is averse to getting hit. He reminds me of Jean Claude Van Dame or some ****, he's got his whole celibrity persona and fighting is how he carries his flag. I really think he is in it for the money and fame. That's fine, I'm just saying what I think.

I guess Machida is a ***** as well.

Would Machida tap from strikes?

Would Machida tap from strikes?

Who knows? Knowones got close to even having in that sort of situation. But if he did I wouldn't say he was a *****. Guys tap from submission holds, strikes are worse and with the amount GSP took in rapid succession without answer I didn't blame him for tapping. The ref didn't look like he was gonna stop it and you lessen the chances of possible cerebral damage.

Would Machida tap from strikes?

Not tapping from strikes and taking unnecessary damage, doesn't make you manly it makes you stupid. You take away from your well being and from having a healthy life and long career which is why Wanderlei Silva is looking near his end at only 32 years old.

The same thing was said after Silva didn't finish Leites. People started questioning his dominance and whether he was truly a great fighter (which is absurd to be questioning). The problem is when a fighter continually KO/TKO's or submits most of his opponents, fans (especially the casual ones) always expect to see him stand up and continue to KO his opponent.

GSP busted Alvez's face in both standing and on the ground. The only difference is he did it through 5 rounds rather than a TKO/KO. He's still unquestionably the best WW in the UFC (and all of MMA for that matter). What I find wrong in this thread is that the people complaining and crying about GSP being "boring" are showing that they have little respect for the take down and ground game of MMA and do not give a crap about a fighter using a smart strategy that works best; rather they only care if a fighter stands up, gets hit and hits back. That folks, isn't only what MMA is about. I honestly don't see anything wrong with GSP's performance yesterday (unless of course you're a casual MMA fan who'd rather only see KO's and no ground fighting).

GSP is the ****. His skill in all areas is impressive but i must admit i do miss his old style where he would either try and take your head off or actively look for submissions on the ground.

The up and down game he plays now although very effective does make for boring fights.

kinda like the floyd mayweather jr. of ufc

I apologize that my opinion on GSP's recent fights has scarred you emotionally enough to give me bad Karma.

PS: Change your name please, you're too mentally fickle to carry that title.

I swear the guy use to be entertaining, but he's pretty much adopted the type of style which I hate the most. ****ing take the guy down and lay and pray. I just realized, GSP is afraid to get hit, that's why he fights this way. I saw it when Alves took the top position and landed a few punches, and i could see the discomfort on GSP's face.

He reminds me of ****ing Dan Severn at his worst.

i actually agree with something you're saying for a change organik :headbang::fing02:

Wanderlei Silva, Forrest Griffin, Mark Hunt, Rampage, Henderson, etc.

In short, badasses, not ******* like GSP. Great fighter, but is obviously scared out of his ****in' mind when he fights.

Well clearly you've never fought before. NOBODY enjoys getting hit. NOBODY.

Some arent afraid to get hit, some are. Thats the only difference.

Because you're foolish to think that someone goes into a ring/octagon wanting to get hit. Thats just beyond stupid.

I now don't like watching GSP because he is getting very boring

imo it wasn't an interesting fight because gsp was too dominant, he got like 11 take downs..and he dropped him

i think alves gave him way to much respect