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Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 10:56 AM
Eighth and final installment:


1. Joe Louis 1,654-314-32 (1,305) .835
2. Muhammed Ali 1,576-344-80 (860) .808
3. Jack Johnson 1,440-485-75 (772) .739
4. Rocky Marciano 1,386-588-26 (1,302) .700
5. Jack Dempsey 1,304-660-36 (1,158) .661
6. Larry Holmes 1,242-681-77 (797) .640
7. Sonny Liston 1,172-799-29 (1,092) .593
8. Evander Holyfield 1,152-812-36 (1,018) .585
9. Mike Tyson 1,067-894-39 (996) .543
10. Joe Frazier 1,006-964-30 (920) .511
11. George Foreman 967-1,009-24 (887) .490
12. Harry Wills 917-1,007-76 (627) .478
13. Peter Jackson 864-1,052-84 (530) .453
14. Riddick Bowe 767-1,197-36 (648) .393
15. James Jeffries 751-1,197-52 (655) .389
16. Joe Jeanette 715-1,201-84 (454) .379
17. Lennox Lewis 660-1,303-37 (531) .339
18. Jersey Joe Walcott 606-1,322-72 (381) .321
19. David Tua 546-1,427-27 (473) .280
20. Vitili Klitschko 517-1,456-27 (442) .265
21. Wladimir Klitschko 196-1,793-11 (163) .101

GJC
07-11-2009, 11:38 AM
Eighth and final installment:


1. Joe Louis 1,654-314-32 (1,305) .835
2. Muhammed Ali 1,576-344-80 (860) .808
3. Jack Johnson 1,440-485-75 (772) .739
4. Rocky Marciano 1,386-588-26 (1,302) .700
5. Jack Dempsey 1,304-660-36 (1,158) .661
6. Larry Holmes 1,242-681-77 (797) .640
7. Sonny Liston 1,172-799-29 (1,092) .593
8. Evander Holyfield 1,152-812-36 (1,018) .585
9. Mike Tyson 1,067-894-39 (996) .543
10. Joe Frazier 1,006-964-30 (920) .511
11. George Foreman 967-1,009-24 (887) .490
12. Harry Wills 917-1,007-76 (627) .478
13. Peter Jackson 864-1,052-84 (530) .453
14. Riddick Bowe 767-1,197-36 (648) .393
15. James Jeffries 751-1,197-52 (655) .389
16. Joe Jeanette 715-1,201-84 (454) .379
17. Lennox Lewis 660-1,303-37 (531) .339
18. Jersey Joe Walcott 606-1,322-72 (381) .321
19. David Tua 546-1,427-27 (473) .280
20. Vitili Klitschko 517-1,456-27 (442) .265
21. Wladimir Klitschko 196-1,793-11 (163) .101
You have Louis 1st? Hmmmmmm? :)

GJC
07-11-2009, 11:46 AM
Lennox Lewis too low.
Harry Wills, top 12? Might be being controversial here but I sometimes think that him not fighting Dempsey has done Wills a lot of favours.
Very good fighter, some good wins and should have got his shot but personally never had any doubt that Dempsey would have beaten him. Big and whilst awkward was quite slow, Dempsey loved fighters like that.
Ah well thats my controversial comment for the day :)

GJC
07-11-2009, 11:56 AM
Thanks for taking the time to do these Poet.
While we are on the subject or at least I am, how about running Dempsey v Wills?

D-MiZe
07-11-2009, 12:01 PM
Your software must be broke.

How the **** is Bowe higher than Lewis?

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 12:07 PM
You have Louis 1st? Hmmmmmm? :)

It surpised me. Whilst Louis is my favorite fighter I've always consistantly rated Ali as the number one Heavyweight. I'll have to go back and check to see how they did head-to-head.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 12:43 PM
You have Louis 1st? Hmmmmmm? :)

Ok. Louis took the head-to-head series 39-55-6. That's a bit unusual as they usually are around the break-even mark. The biggest difference between the two, though, is their respective records against Joe Frazier: Louis dominated Frazier by a 73-27-0 mark while Ali, though still winning the series solidly, struggled against Frazier somewhat by a 57-36-7 score.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 12:43 PM
Your software must be broke.

How the **** is Bowe higher than Lewis?

Because he won around a hundred more fights in the tournament :)

Poet

Brockton Lip
07-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Louis dominated Frazier by a 73-27-0 mark while Ali, though still winning the series solidly, struggled against Frazier somewhat by a 57-36-7 score.

Poet

I can agree with that.

These tournaments are cool, these are the results and are based on head-to-head I assume? I thought Ali would've gotten 1st but no argument here with Louis as number 1 either.

Ziggy Stardust
10-05-2010, 01:05 PM
I can agree with that.

These tournaments are cool, these are the results and are based on head-to-head I assume?

Yep: 21 fighters with each fighting everyone else 100 times for a total of 2,000 fights.

Poet

Greatest1942
10-05-2010, 02:33 PM
It surpised me. Whilst Louis is my favorite fighter I've always consistantly rated Ali as the number one Heavyweight. I'll have to go back and check to see how they did head-to-head.

Poet
I believed in this from a long time ago and your computer seems to understand me:boxing: But one thing I am sure off Louis will be more successful vs Frazier than Ali will be. I have always believed Louis could beat Ali...that some people might not agree with , but thats what I think. Anyways thats what is my opinion, and I am not going to argue much, because its very subjective.

GJC Willis might be more suited to Jack , but he might be ill suited to some too.

Ziggy Stardust
10-05-2010, 03:04 PM
I believed in this from a long time ago and your computer seems to understand me:boxing: But one thing I am sure off Louis will be more successful vs Frazier than Ali will be. I have always believed Louis could beat Ali...that some people might not agree with , but thats what I think. Anyways thats what is my opinion, and I am not going to argue much, because its very subjective.

GJC Willis might be more suited to Jack , but he might be ill suited to some too.

I think the biggest difference in the overall results is that Ali can only fight as a boxer while Louis can fight either as a boxer or a slugger: It gives Louis a little extra edge against opponents who do better against boxers than sluggers.

Poet

SBleeder
10-05-2010, 07:16 PM
Is this TitleBout? If so, are you checking the box for "adjust for weight class differences"? I've found that that changes the results significantly.

DarkTerror88
10-05-2010, 07:34 PM
im surprised ezzard charles didnt make it in the top 20

Ziggy Stardust
10-05-2010, 09:13 PM
Is this TitleBout? If so, are you checking the box for "adjust for weight class differences"? I've found that that changes the results significantly.

Yes, this is Title Bout 2.5 and I do check the "adjust for weight class difference". However, that only comes into effect when you're fighting two fighters from different weight classes (a Welterweight fighting a Middleweight for example); it doesn't effect fights between two fighters of the SAME weight class that happen to weigh in at different weights.

Poet

Greatest1942
10-06-2010, 03:52 AM
I think the biggest difference in the overall results is that Ali can only fight as a boxer while Louis can fight either as a boxer or a slugger: It gives Louis a little extra edge against opponents who do better against boxers than sluggers.

Poet

Yes it does..also Louis's superior fire power helps in sometimes putting away early guys who are slow starters but are mighty dangerous later on.

ScrotieMcBooger
01-24-2011, 10:48 PM
fascinating

Ziggy Stardust
09-14-2011, 09:12 PM
Bumped for McGoorty :chuckle9:

Greatest1942
09-15-2011, 03:03 AM
Bumped for McGoorty :chuckle9:

This was a fanstastic effort Poet...I see I have posted before. But Still its great to see it again...It took a helluva time I know.

Ziggy Stardust
09-15-2011, 03:31 AM
This was a fanstastic effort Poet...I see I have posted before. But Still its great to see it again...It took a helluva time I know.

It actually runs all those fights in about 60-90 seconds. It takes longer to set a tournament up then to actually run it. It took longer to decide who actually got into the tournament than anything else.

Poet

Spit Venom
09-15-2011, 08:05 PM
Tua in (no disrespect) but where the hell is schmeling?

Spit Venom
09-15-2011, 08:08 PM
Yep: 21 fighters with each fighting everyone else 100 times for a total of 2,000 fights.

Poet

lulz

can look up how wladimir vs vitali end up?

Ziggy Stardust
09-15-2011, 08:25 PM
lulz

can look up how wladimir vs vitali end up?

Not anymore lol. Those records went bye-bye when I did my last OS reinstall :cool9:

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
09-15-2011, 08:26 PM
Tua in (no disrespect) but where the hell is schmeling?

Only 21 got in and I wanted to get a few of the more recent fighters so as to avoid the inevitable "what about so-and so?" from people who think boxing relevance started in 1990.

Poet

Joeyzagz
09-15-2011, 10:45 PM
Needs more 1930's Heavyweights.

Carnera, Schmelling, the Baer brothers etc.