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Ziggy Stardust
07-10-2009, 11:18 AM
Sixth installment:


1. Ray Robinson 1,486-440-74 (799) .762
2. Bob Fitzsimmons 1,469-470-61 (1,115) .750
3. Marvin Hagler 1,319-555-126 (704) .691
4. Carlos Monzon 1,278-632-90 (625) .662
5. Stanley Ketchel 1,210-742-48 (961) .617
6. Bernard Hopkins 1,147-749-104 (629) .600
7. Mickey Walker 1,139-799-62 (656) .585
8. Charley Burley 1,111-796-93 (490) .579
9. Holman Williams 1,100-784-116 (268) .579
10. Harry Greb 1,083-820-97 (575) .566
11. Marcel Cerdan 876-1,035-89 (401) .460
12. Winky Wright 820-1,021-159 (243) .450
13. Jake LaMotta 820-1,042-138 (322) .445
14. Tony Zale 824-1,093-83 (409) .433
15. Mike Gibbons 756-1,133-111 (224) .406
16. Panama Joe Gans 734-1,147-119 (276) .397
17. Les Darcy 706-1,170-124 (280) .384
18. James Toney 630-1,288-82 (289) .336
19. Nigel Benn 629-1,326-45 (359) .326
20. Mike McCallum 561-1,334-105 (274) .307
21. Terry Norris 313-1,635-52 (140) .170

RingSlam
07-10-2009, 11:44 AM
Boring
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mickey malone
07-10-2009, 12:35 PM
Can see you've been busy Poet.. Interesting to see Bobby boy at no2.. Need to brush up on his career at MW.. This will give me good reason to do so, as I've just purchased yet another boxing history book (History of the fight game, by Peter Brooke-Ball) However, have discovered 1 or 2 minor inaccuracies already: ie 2 draws on Nigel Benns resume.. Good to see my 'homeboy' made the list though!

GJC
07-10-2009, 04:33 PM
Sixth installment:


1. Ray Robinson 1,486-440-74 (799) .762
2. Bob Fitzsimmons 1,469-470-61 (1,115) .750
3. Marvin Hagler 1,319-555-126 (704) .691
4. Carlos Monzon 1,278-632-90 (625) .662
5. Stanley Ketchel 1,210-742-48 (961) .617
6. Bernard Hopkins 1,147-749-104 (629) .600
7. Mickey Walker 1,139-799-62 (656) .585
8. Charley Burley 1,111-796-93 (490) .579
9. Holman Williams 1,100-784-116 (268) .579
10. Harry Greb 1,083-820-97 (575) .566
11. Marcel Cerdan 876-1,035-89 (401) .460
12. Winky Wright 820-1,021-159 (243) .450
13. Jake LaMotta 820-1,042-138 (322) .445
14. Tony Zale 824-1,093-83 (409) .433
15. Mike Gibbons 756-1,133-111 (224) .406
16. Panama Joe Gans 734-1,147-119 (276) .397
17. Les Darcy 706-1,170-124 (280) .384
18. James Toney 630-1,288-82 (289) .336
19. Nigel Benn 629-1,326-45 (359) .326
20. Mike McCallum 561-1,334-105 (274) .307
21. Terry Norris 313-1,635-52 (140) .170
Can't see how Greb doesn't even make the top 6?
Nice to see Holman Williams getting a mention but as much respect as I have for him I think 9th is too high.
Fitz is a tricky one to categorise as he was a bit of a jack of all trades, he would probably be best as a light heavy but didn't fight too many at that weight and it was a the *** end of his career. Fitz would ironically rate higher as p4p then he would neccessarily in a particular weight category IMO.
Again a big fan of his but number 2 at middleweight above Ketchel, Greb, Hagler, Monzon, not so sure about that?
Lots of food for thought with the MW's.

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 10:54 AM
Bump......

GJC
07-11-2009, 11:49 AM
Fitz is a tricky one to categorise as he was a bit of a jack of all trades, he would probably be best as a light heavy but didn't fight too many at that weight and it was a the *** end of his career.

*** was f.ag end. Thats twice that has happened to me lol. Had c.hink edited out as I guess it was assumed I was insulting the chinese now f.ag because of the double meaning with homosexuals!
Cunt is fine though!

D-MiZe
07-11-2009, 12:03 PM
I don't agree that Bob and Ray should be that high...

TredKiller
07-11-2009, 04:23 PM
i dint agree with ray that high,

imo the greatest MW is either hagler, monzon, or greb

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 05:59 PM
I don't agree that Bob and Ray should be that high...

i dint agree with ray that high,

imo the greatest MW is either hagler, monzon, or greb

And yet, if you poll boxing historians as to who the greatest Middleweight was the majority would rate Robinson.....

Poet

Argentine
07-14-2009, 12:55 AM
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TheGreatA
07-14-2009, 01:04 AM
Greb does seem to be far too low on the list. He gave Mickey Walker a beating, yet Walker is 3 spots ahead of him.

Ziggy Stardust
07-14-2009, 01:16 AM
Greb does seem to be far too low on the list. He gave Mickey Walker a beating, yet Walker is 3 spots ahead of him.

Bear in mind these are the result of the computer program running the fights between them all and not my personal rankings.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
09-14-2011, 09:13 PM
Bumped for McGoorty :chuckle9:

McGoorty
09-15-2011, 02:38 PM
Sixth installment:


1. Ray Robinson 1,486-440-74 (799) .762
2. Bob Fitzsimmons 1,469-470-61 (1,115) .750
3. Marvin Hagler 1,319-555-126 (704) .691
4. Carlos Monzon 1,278-632-90 (625) .662
5. Stanley Ketchel 1,210-742-48 (961) .617
6. Bernard Hopkins 1,147-749-104 (629) .600
7. Mickey Walker 1,139-799-62 (656) .585
8. Charley Burley 1,111-796-93 (490) .579
9. Holman Williams 1,100-784-116 (268) .579
10. Harry Greb 1,083-820-97 (575) .566
11. Marcel Cerdan 876-1,035-89 (401) .460
12. Winky Wright 820-1,021-159 (243) .450
13. Jake LaMotta 820-1,042-138 (322) .445
14. Tony Zale 824-1,093-83 (409) .433
15. Mike Gibbons 756-1,133-111 (224) .406
16. Panama Joe Gans 734-1,147-119 (276) .397
17. Les Darcy 706-1,170-124 (280) .384
18. James Toney 630-1,288-82 (289) .336
19. Nigel Benn 629-1,326-45 (359) .326
20. Mike McCallum 561-1,334-105 (274) .307
21. Terry Norris 313-1,635-52 (140) .170
Bah Humbug........17th ????????.... SEVENTEENTH ??????..... now I know they've made a BLUNDER...... In the real world he'd have been at least 7th.......... BAH HUMBUG.

McGoorty
09-15-2011, 02:45 PM
Bah Humbug........17th ????????.... SEVENTEENTH ??????..... now I know they've made a BLUNDER...... In the real world he'd have been at least 7th.......... BAH HUMBUG.
He's going to beat Mike Gibbons with a hand tied behind his back.... MIKE GIBBONS and PANAMA JOE GANS ???????... BWOOOO-HA-HAH,,... better than Les ?????????????....... and what about Harry.... 10th ?? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????........... Didn't Greb beat Walker "IN REAL LIFE" ?????...... and another thing.... where's Gene Fullmer ??. Gene walks through half of these as well.

McGoorty
09-15-2011, 02:46 PM
Bear in mind these are the result of the computer program running the fights between them all and not my personal rankings.

Poet
OK then...... another BUMP.

Greatest1942
09-15-2011, 03:32 PM
Greb not in top 10....but he was a hard man to represent in computers...

McGoorty
09-15-2011, 03:37 PM
Greb not in top 10....but he was a hard man to represent in computers...
Just goes to show that computers still have a long way to go.

Ziggy Stardust
09-15-2011, 03:41 PM
Greb not in top 10....but he was a hard man to represent in computers...

Greb is in a way the diametric opposite of De La Hoya: Greb is greater then the sum of his parts.

Poet

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 03:11 AM
Greb is in a way the diametric opposite of De La Hoya: Greb is greater then the sum of his parts.

Poet

Yea actually...This is the truth. Well said....

But overall its not bad , getting aside the hi - lo system it does seem it has most of the right people in the list...McGoorty so cheer up bud its not as bad as it sounds.

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 03:13 AM
He's going to beat Mike Gibbons with a hand tied behind his back.... MIKE GIBBONS and PANAMA JOE GANS ???????... BWOOOO-HA-HAH,,... better than Les ?????????????....... and what about Harry.... 10th ?? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????........... Didn't Greb beat Walker "IN REAL LIFE" ?????...... and another thing.... where's Gene Fullmer ??. Gene walks through half of these as well.

Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty (knocked him out in 5 once),beat Jeff Smith and Ted “Kid” Lewis, fought Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 03:28 AM
Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty,Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back

I thought this might interest people:-

http://www.videosurf.com/video/us-army%27s-basic-hand-to-hand-fighting-of-world-war-1-silent-film-126679968

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 01:15 PM
Well Mcgoorty Mike Gibbons was not that bad, and I do see him to be a atg....

He has a proven record...For nothing he was known as the phantom Mike. He was a great boxer..

Look at the guys he fought:-

McGoorty (knocked him out in 5 once),beat Jeff Smith and Ted “Kid” Lewis, fought Greb,Al McCoy and fought them to a ND...so no one was his clear superior...if Greb could not do it , I doubt Les.... will do it with one hand tied behind his back
I did say that Mike Gibbons was a great fighter, and one hand behind Les's back was flippant, but I am intensely annoyed that Gibbons could ever be rated equal or better than Les Darcy. For a start Darcy fought them all except for Greb, Klaus and Mike,... Greb had not "Arrived Yet".... and Gibbons was about equal to McGoorty, Clabby, Jeff Smith and he IS SUPERIOR to AL McCOY,...... But Darcy beat all the other top Middleweights and the guy's who had won AND lost to gibbons....................... Problem is, Darcy beat the crap out of all of them, and EVERY expert of the time said Darcy was the STAND out and another level above all others,.... and they also said the same about the LHW's,,,,,,,,,, Jack Dillon was next in line for Darcy,... and Dillon had out-grown the MW division....... In closing, Les Darcy was THE DOMINANT fighter in the MW division, and Mike Gibbons I rate at 3rd of that era, with Frank Klaus at #2........ but maybe McGoorty and Clabby should be rated at 2nd and 3rd ahead of MG and FK..... The #1. position is beyond any reasonable doubt......... And Darcy was already the holder of ONE of the two Middleweight Championship Titles,........ and His belt must take preceedence over the virtually Non-Existant claim to the other belt that Al McCoy said he had..... he never defended his title in the entire 3 year period,..... and lost several newspaper decisions to most of the above named...... NOBODY in their right mind today or back in 1916 acknowledged McCoy as a serious threat to Les Darcy,,.. I doubt if Al would have lasted 3 rounds with Darcy, I know this era better than any other, just have a deep look into Les Darcy and the MW's and LHW's of that era..... thankfully, eventually, Al McCoy put his title up in a fight with the newly arrived Mike O' Dowd and thanks to O'Dowds destruction of Al McCoy, some sanity was restored to the MW's.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 01:21 PM
I thought this might interest people:-

http://www.videosurf.com/video/us-army%27s-basic-hand-to-hand-fighting-of-world-war-1-silent-film-126679968
Oh and Les Darcy would have destroyed Mike Gibbons ---- With both hands untied of course..... It is no disgrace to Gibbons though to say it,,, Darcy was a beast,,, with the reach of a heavyweight,....... he was basically a Heavyweight TANK masquerading as a Middleweight TANK........... Think of a Centurion tank, THAT WAS LES DARCY.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 01:23 PM
Oh and Les Darcy would have destroyed Mike Gibbons ---- With both hands untied of course..... It is no disgrace to Gibbons though to say it,,, Darcy was a beast,,, with the reach of a heavyweight,....... he was basically a Heavyweight TANK masquerading as a Middleweight TANK........... Think of a Centurion tank, THAT WAS LES DARCY.
<iframe src="http://www.videosurf.com/vembed/126679968?width=640&height_vs=388" width="640" height="388" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" border="0"></iframe><p style="padding: 0px!important; padding-top: 5px!important; margin: 0px!important; font-size: 12px!important; width:px;"><a href="http://www.videosurf.com/video/us-army%27s-basic-hand-to-hand-fighting-of-world-war-1-silent-film-126679968">US Army&apos;s Basic Hand To Hand Fighting of World War 1 (Silent film)</a></p>

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 01:38 PM
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I thought I'd just paste that great and only footage of Mike Gibbons, pity there's no film on him so we can compare his style to Darcy's.... as a matter of fact Mike and his brother Tommy and Darcy met each other and the story goes that they got on like mates and the Gibbons bros got to respect Darcy, as they witnessed him sparring some guys. That video was a great find mate.

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 02:15 PM
I thought I'd just paste that great and only footage of Mike Gibbons, pity there's no film on him so we can compare his style to Darcy's.... as a matter of fact Mike and his brother Tommy and Darcy met each other and the story goes that they got on like mates and the Gibbons bros got to respect Darcy, as they witnessed him sparring some guys. That video was a great find mate.


I will post three things

1) Les did not fight Greb, Mike did...We can conjecture all we can but in absence of film what you are saying is just a conjecture...I am not convinced

2) Mike has the deeper resume

3) I saw the Mike Gibbons - Mike O'Dowd match...it was a first rate quality film...And Mike was extremely skillful. I doubt any one of that era was better (skill wise).

And yes I think from the very fact that Greb et all had trouble with Mike...I think it can reasonably assumed that he was a phenomenal fighter...

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 02:23 PM
I did say that Mike Gibbons was a great fighter, and one hand behind Les's back was flippant, but I am intensely annoyed that Gibbons could ever be rated equal or better than Les Darcy. For a start Darcy fought them all except for Greb, Klaus and Mike,... Greb had not "Arrived Yet".... and Gibbons was about equal to McGoorty, Clabby, Jeff Smith and he IS SUPERIOR to AL McCOY,...... But Darcy beat all the other top Middleweights and the guy's who had won AND lost to gibbons....................... Problem is, Darcy beat the crap out of all of them, and EVERY expert of the time said Darcy was the STAND out and another level above all others,.... and they also said the same about the LHW's,,,,,,,,,, Jack Dillon was next in line for Darcy,... and Dillon had out-grown the MW division....... In closing, Les Darcy was THE DOMINANT fighter in the MW division, and Mike Gibbons I rate at 3rd of that era, with Frank Klaus at #2........ but maybe McGoorty and Clabby should be rated at 2nd and 3rd ahead of MG and FK..... The #1. position is beyond any reasonable doubt......... And Darcy was already the holder of ONE of the two Middleweight Championship Titles,........ and His belt must take preceedence over the virtually Non-Existant claim to the other belt that Al McCoy said he had..... he never defended his title in the entire 3 year period,..... and lost several newspaper decisions to most of the above named...... NOBODY in their right mind today or back in 1916 acknowledged McCoy as a serious threat to Les Darcy,,.. I doubt if Al would have lasted 3 rounds with Darcy, I know this era better than any other, just have a deep look into Les Darcy and the MW's and LHW's of that era..... thankfully, eventually, Al McCoy put his title up in a fight with the newly arrived Mike O' Dowd and thanks to O'Dowds destruction of Al McCoy, some sanity was restored to the MW's.


Dillon actually fought Mike and from the news paper reports it does seem that he did okay... it is listed as a ND.

Many say he schooled Dillon ( a light heavy)... Gibbons won every round of the fight, according to those at ringside....not bad yea?

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 02:37 PM
Dillon actually fought Mike and from the news paper reports it does seem that he did okay... it is listed as a ND.

Many say he schooled Dillon ( a light heavy)... Gibbons won every round of the fight, according to those at ringside....not bad yea?

GIBBONS CLEVERLY OUTPOINTS DILLON; Fast Footwork Enables St. Paul Boxer to Gain Advantage in Six Rounds.

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 10. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul outpointed Jack Dillon of Indianapolis in a ten-round no-decision contest here tonight. Gibbons led in six rounds. Three sessions went to Dillon, and the other

was even. At 3 P.M. today Gibbons weighed in at 153 1/3 and Dillon at 162 the latter one pound under the agreed weight.


Also read these

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VURhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=12MNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3962,528286&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qQlkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vXoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3443,211171&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 02:56 PM
GIBBONS CLEVERLY OUTPOINTS DILLON; Fast Footwork Enables St. Paul Boxer to Gain Advantage in Six Rounds.

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 10. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul outpointed Jack Dillon of Indianapolis in a ten-round no-decision contest here tonight. Gibbons led in six rounds. Three sessions went to Dillon, and the other

was even. At 3 P.M. today Gibbons weighed in at 153 1/3 and Dillon at 162 the latter one pound under the agreed weight.


Also read these

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VURhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=12MNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3962,528286&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qQlkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vXoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3443,211171&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en
Look, if I have to go through and make a direct comparison to all of their common opponents, and then I can show that while Gibbons had only some wins and some losses to the people that Les also fought, and Darcy wiped the floor with all of them,... Eddie McGoorty said Darcy would beat Not just Gibbons,.... but any and all MW's at the time,.. and same goes for others like Jimmy Clabby...... McGoorty and Clabby and a good number of Darcy's VICTIMS had also had Wins (or newspaper decisions),.... fact is Mike Gibbons is at the very same level as McGoorty, Smith, Clabby at the very least...... and that alone makes him a superstar, because Clabby and McGoorty certainly are in my opinion........... those fighters all said that Darcy was in another class,..... but Gibbons is in the Eddie McGoorty class...... maybe all-time greats..... they DO HAVE A CASE.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Greb.......... As I said, he is from after 1916,... a fighter on the way up but hadn't hit the big time............ I have not heard any contrary opinions about Les Darcy's dominance......... You cannot include as a comparison Gibbons career post_Darcy V Chip........ oh and there's another guy better than Al McCoy................................... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe have a read through the Darcy Book thread, so you can form some picture in your mind about Darcy....... The real World champion 1915 - 17.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 03:01 PM
GIBBONS CLEVERLY OUTPOINTS DILLON; Fast Footwork Enables St. Paul Boxer to Gain Advantage in Six Rounds.

ST. PAUL, Minn., Nov. 10. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul outpointed Jack Dillon of Indianapolis in a ten-round no-decision contest here tonight. Gibbons led in six rounds. Three sessions went to Dillon, and the other

was even. At 3 P.M. today Gibbons weighed in at 153 1/3 and Dillon at 162 the latter one pound under the agreed weight.


Also read these

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VURhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=12MNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3962,528286&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qQlkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vXoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3443,211171&dq=mike+gibbons+jack+dillon&hl=en
Also mate,... read the above opinion of Darcy towards Dillon...... you know the bit from one of his private letters home where he expressed a very derogatory remark about Dillon's chances of beating Darcy,..... Les would never have said that to a newspaper reporter, he was brought up strictly............... Just so we understand,.... are you claiming that Mike Gibbons was better than Darcy ???

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 03:15 PM
Look, if I have to go through and make a direct comparison to all of their common opponents, and then I can show that while Gibbons had only some wins and some losses to the people that Les also fought, and Darcy wiped the floor with all of them,... Eddie McGoorty said Darcy would beat Not just Gibbons,.... but any and all MW's at the time,.. and same goes for others like Jimmy Clabby...... McGoorty and Clabby and a good number of Darcy's VICTIMS had also had Wins (or newspaper decisions),.... fact is Mike Gibbons is at the very same level as McGoorty, Smith, Clabby at the very least...... and that alone makes him a superstar, because Clabby and McGoorty certainly are in my opinion........... those fighters all said that Darcy was in another class,..... but Gibbons is in the Eddie McGoorty class...... maybe all-time greats..... they DO HAVE A CASE.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Greb.......... As I said, he is from after 1916,... a fighter on the way up but hadn't hit the big time............ I have not heard any contrary opinions about Les Darcy's dominance......... You cannot include as a comparison Gibbons career post_Darcy V Chip........ oh and there's another guy better than Al McCoy................................... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe have a read through the Darcy Book thread, so you can form some picture in your mind about Darcy....... The real World champion 1915 - 17.

With which common opponent you say Gibbons lost? Clabby?


Mcgoorty? He was actually dominated in his fights and also stopped once...Dillon whom Darcy did not face was beaten twice...How do you say Mcgoorty and Mike both were equal since Mike Gibbons defintely got the better of him...Since when has losing to a fighter makes you equal.

Mike was beaten by Jimmy Clabby in his second year as pro you hold that against him? Bob Whitelaw beat Darcy in his 4th year as pro.Fritz Holland beat him in his 5th year nd Jeff Smith beat him also.

Now Gibbons fought Smith and Mike got the better of him.

Read below.

MIKE GIBBONS TOO SKILLFUL FOR SMITH; St. Paul Boxer Wins by a Large Margin in Bout at the National Club.

Mike Gibbons, the St. Paul boxer, and Jeff Smith of Bayonne, N.J., entertained a capacity house last night at the National Sporting Club in a clever ten-round exhibition of boxing, in which the St. Paul favorite won by a comfortable margin. Gibbons weighed 152 pounds and his opponent scaled 152 1/2 pounds.



I don't think Les could have beat Dillon...Gibbons did it twice

As for McGoorty comments Sam langford thought any version of Jeffries will beat Jackson...we know what happened next.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 03:49 PM
With which common opponent you say Gibbons lost? Clabby?


Mcgoorty? He was actually dominated in his fights and also stopped once...Dillon whom Darcy did not face was beaten twice...How do you say Mcgoorty and Mike both were equal since Mike Gibbons defintely got the better of him...Since when has losing to a fighter makes you equal.

Mike was beaten by Jimmy Clabby in his second year as pro you hold that against him? Bob Whitelaw beat Darcy in his 4th year as pro.Fritz Holland beat him in his 5th year nd Jeff Smith beat him also.

Now Gibbons fought Smith and Mike got the better of him.

Read below.

MIKE GIBBONS TOO SKILLFUL FOR SMITH; St. Paul Boxer Wins by a Large Margin in Bout at the National Club.

Mike Gibbons, the St. Paul boxer, and Jeff Smith of Bayonne, N.J., entertained a capacity house last night at the National Sporting Club in a clever ten-round exhibition of boxing, in which the St. Paul favorite won by a comfortable margin. Gibbons weighed 152 pounds and his opponent scaled 152 1/2 pounds.



I don't think Les could have beat Dillon...Gibbons did it twice

As for McGoorty comments Sam langford thought any version of Jeffries will beat Jackson...we know what happened next.
I think you a picking little bits but there is nothing like the full story,.... Clabby rated Darcy way ahead of Any middleweight he'd fought or seen.... As for Dillon I think Darcy Would have knocked Jack out in the middle rounds and he would have knocked Gibbons cold.... None of these guys compare to Darcy....... I see Y'll have to post a 1000 word post with a compilation of the entire facts. now you mention Bob Whitelaw,...... He was given a decision victory which half the observers thought was Darcy's fight,... hence the disturbance to the peace,... Read The descriptions from my posts on the two Whitelaw Darcy fights..... LES DARCY Was SEVENTEEN BLOODY YEARS OLD AND Had Busted hands in their first fight and probably won the last 5 rounds just like he did in the first fight with Holland. AND IN The second Whitelaw bout, Darcy, this time, with hands in perfect order he savagely destroyed Whitelaw in one of the great one-sided displays,..... he almost killed him...... Darcy had by then (six Months later), just turned eighteen,.... cannot you see how great that is ???....... I see that I'm going to have to set this out, point by point............................................. ........................................... -------------------------------- Also, I don't think you have anywhere near the real picture of Darcy,.. for gods sake he DIED, DEAD, DECEASED, TERMINATED at TWENTY ONE......... Don't you think he was going to fight Greb at some point,.... and I'm not convinced that Darcy wasn't capable of being on the same continent as harry Greb..... Take your time mate but try and look at it from This side of the Pacific................. And One more thing,... with all the very good fighters that have come from Australia and Darcy being head and shoulders above all of them............. You are almost saying that we are so weak a nation as to not even havw ONE SINGLE AUSTRALIAN In The TOP 100 ??????............ We must have fluked it at Fromelles, and Poziers, Kokoda, El Alamein, Tobruk and Long Tan and all those others,... seeing as though we are only third rate tough guys,,,,,,

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 03:57 PM
I think you a picking little bits but there is nothing like the full story,.... Clabby rated Darcy way ahead of Any middleweight he'd fought or seen.... As for Dillon I think Darcy Would have knocked Jack out in the middle rounds and he would have knocked Gibbons cold.... None of these guys compare to Darcy....... I see Y'll have to post a 1000 word post with a compilation of the entire facts. now you mention Bob Whitelaw,...... He was given a decision victory which half the observers thought was Darcy's fight,... hence the disturbance to the peace,... Read The descriptions from my posts on the two Whitelaw Darcy fights..... LES DARCY Was SEVENTEEN BLOODY YEARS OLD AND Had Busted hands in their first fight and probably won the last 5 rounds just like he did in the first fight with Holland. AND IN The second Whitelaw bout, Darcy, this time, with hands in perfect order he savagely destroyed Whitelaw in one of the great one-sided displays,..... he almost killed him...... Darcy had by then (six Months later), just turned eighteen,.... cannot you see how great that is ???....... I see that I'm going to have to set this out, point by point............................................. ........................................... -------------------------------- Also, I don't think you have anywhere near the real picture of Darcy,.. for gods sake he DIED, DEAD, DECEASED, TERMINATED at TWENTY ONE......... Don't you think he was going to fight Greb at some point,.... and I'm not convinced that Darcy wasn't capable of being on the same continent as harry Greb..... Take your time mate but try and look at it from This side of the Pacific................. And One more thing,... with all the very good fighters that have come from Australia and Darcy being head and shoulders above all of them............. You are almost saying that we are so weak a nation as to not even havw ONE SINGLE AUSTRALIAN In The TOP 100 ??????............ We must have fluked it at Fromelles, and Poziers, Kokoda, El Alamein, Tobruk and Long Tan and all those others,... seeing as though we are only third rate tough guys,,,,,,

What Clabby rated Darcy as is interesting, but factually I can give you 5 guys name who rated Gibbons highrer...It proves nothing.Milburn Saylor said Darcy was overrated and Gibbons will take him...again it doe snot prove anything.

I know every bit about Darcy and Gibbons...I doubt Darcy will KO Gibbons I saw him in action in his last fight...He looked brilliant. i think Gibbons out points him.

I pointed to Darcy's loss becuase you said Darcy destoyed everyone Gibbons faced...not true...Gibbons handled Smith better...a Darcy did Clabby better

Clabby fought Gibbons when he was very young...Same as you point with Darcy...so why do you pick on it...

Darcy dies young and he might have become greater than Gibbons eventually but from what I see of their resumes and success I have to rate gibbons higher...

I am not saying anything about Australia...Cool down...done take it that way.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 03:57 PM
With which common opponent you say Gibbons lost? Clabby?


Mcgoorty? He was actually dominated in his fights and also stopped once...Dillon whom Darcy did not face was beaten twice...How do you say Mcgoorty and Mike both were equal since Mike Gibbons defintely got the better of him...Since when has losing to a fighter makes you equal.

Mike was beaten by Jimmy Clabby in his second year as pro you hold that against him? Bob Whitelaw beat Darcy in his 4th year as pro.Fritz Holland beat him in his 5th year nd Jeff Smith beat him also.

Now Gibbons fought Smith and Mike got the better of him.

Read below.

MIKE GIBBONS TOO SKILLFUL FOR SMITH; St. Paul Boxer Wins by a Large Margin in Bout at the National Club.

Mike Gibbons, the St. Paul boxer, and Jeff Smith of Bayonne, N.J., entertained a capacity house last night at the National Sporting Club in a clever ten-round exhibition of boxing, in which the St. Paul favorite won by a comfortable margin. Gibbons weighed 152 pounds and his opponent scaled 152 1/2 pounds.



I don't think Les could have beat Dillon...Gibbons did it twice

As for McGoorty comments Sam langford thought any version of Jeffries will beat Jackson...we know what happened next.
All this building up of Gibbons and Dillon as superior fighters to Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism............ Darcy's contemporaries went with Darcy as the Top MW of his time,(and maybe Invincible, and we know that Dillon and Gibbons weren't)...... Really, no fighter has ever been treated so shabbily as Darcy................ And any "slacker" references to Darcy are total BOOLSHEET

Greatest1942
09-16-2011, 04:03 PM
All this building up of Gibbons and Dillon as superior fighters to Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism............ Darcy's contemporaries went with Darcy as the Top MW of his time,(and maybe Invincible, and we know that Dillon and Gibbons weren't)...... Really, no fighter has ever been treated so shabbily as Darcy................ And any "slacker" references to Darcy are total BOOLSHEET

"Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism"

1) You accuse the wrong person my friend...I am not from USA neither I live there

2) Many contemporaries thought Darcy was overrated...Not me

3)many contemporaries said Gibbon was better

4) I dont think Darcy was "slacker"

I think Gibbons was better...his resume proves it

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 04:15 PM
What Clabby rated Darcy as is interesting, but factually I can give you 5 guys name who rated Gibbons highrer...It proves nothing.Milburn Saylor said Darcy was overrated and Gibbons will take him...again it doe snot prove anything.

I know every bit about Darcy and Gibbons...I doubt Darcy will KO Gibbons I saw him in action in his last fight...He looked brilliant. i think Gibbons out points him.

I pointed to Darcy's loss becuase you said Darcy destoyed everyone Gibbons faced...not true...Gibbons handled Smith better...a Darcy did Clabby better

Clabby fought Gibbons when he was very young...Same as you point with Darcy...so why do you pick on it...

Darcy dies young and he might have become greater than Gibbons eventually but from what I see of their resumes and success I have to rate gibbons higher...

I am not saying anything about Australia...Cool down...done take it that way.
Every time I see Darcy being dropped off the radar has always peed off the Aussies... let me tell you this,...... there is a traditional resentment from us....... by the way I want you to produce the names and reports where anyone that HAD ACTUALLY SEEN DARCY FIGHT.. I am your mate,............................................. ......... but please don't bring up what that little bastard Abe Attell told the press about Darcy,......... Attell had NEVER EVER SEEN DARCY FROM A BAR OF SOAP, he was obviously paid to say that utter crap, and that money came from scumbag Australian traitors,.... who were hounded by fans until even the 60's when some few remained let me tell you............. I will find guys for you and I will build my case............. and Darcy said that Dillon was a "BUM"....... Les actually thought that he'd knock Dillon out in 2 or three rounds.......... anyway mate... please show me those statements....... only from those who had seen Darcy,.,... Langford, Kearns, Rickard, Burns, McGoorty................. LAST Point....... to get a proper picture though, we have to look at how the top 10 MW's of 1915-16, all went and I mean, Clabby, McGoorty, Klaus, Darcy, Gibbons, NOT Dillon (now a LHW), and another 5 to make it up..... the picture is complicated,........................ I'd love to see that footage of Gibbons,..... never heard of it,........ but seriously Les would have KO'd Gibbons............ you see, a punch that knocks a guy OUT,...... means everything that happened is null and void............ have you read the Book thread yet ????? .... if you haven't... you haven't read Swanwicks Case for Darcy........ there is nowhere near as many Darcy facts in any other Book................... of course if you have read the book... I hope you'll accept my apology.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 04:47 PM
"Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism"

1) You accuse the wrong person my friend...I am not from USA neither I live there ;- I didn't know where you are my friend, but the fact remains that boxing history from those days has been written by the Americans, so no matter where someone lives,... they are going to get the American version,.. at least here, we know other facts..... but even some here have the wool pulled over their eyes

2) Many contemporaries thought Darcy was overrated...Not me ;- Glad to hear some respect to a great fighter,.... but there was many bribes paid out by Darcy's smear campaigners in Australia,..... I don't think any of Darcy's American critics, had ever even seen Darcy. Abe Attell hadn't, so what the cheesecake was that IDIOT talking about..... His words were such crap that they must have come out of his Ars..........

3)many contemporaries said Gibbon was better _ As I have already said above........ please give me at least 5 that are not called Bat Masterson or Abe Bloody-two-tongue Attell,.... man I lost a lot of respect for Abe as a person after I came across his poison.

4) I dont think Darcy was "slacker" :- Not many people say that today,.... he was treated like turd,............ it was always a stinking lie.

I think Gibbons was better...his resume proves it Of course you realise, his resume after Darcy left for America and hounded to death................. Gibbons was much more fortunate to live,... Darcy never got that chance,...... his resume at time of death shows that Darcy in his prime never lost a fight...... by the way,... I'm sure we;ll find knockdowns and some knockouts in Mike Gibbons career........ NOBODY EVER KNOCKED DARCY DOWN EVEN WHEN HE HAD BEEN PUNCHED WITH MAXIMUM DESTRUCTION TO HIS BALLS, or when Hardwicke snapped two of Darcy's teeth off.... Never happened....... Gibbon's will never knock Darcy down in 100 rounds (5 fights), MUCH harder bangers tried and never even made his legs wobble once...... Gibbons however will certainly go down in a 20 round fight (Darcy didn't waste his time with 10 round NO-Decision-to-protect-big-name-Americans0from-having-lots-of-losses-therefore-we-protect-their-reputation-BOUT Garbage,... what is that crap ???..10 rounds ???)...... there's no way to outbox and dance away from Les for 20 rounds... that's the reality of 20 round fights.... and they are the true championship distance...... no I just cannot see a smaller guy with much less reach (as far as I know),.... beating Les Darcy............ And as Darcy said,... he couldn't believe how anybody gave Dillon a chance of beating him........ a BUM..... Les said that. and he saw Dillon.:boxing: Read the Red stuff above mate.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 04:55 PM
"Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism"

1) You accuse the wrong person my friend...I am not from USA neither I live there

2) Many contemporaries thought Darcy was overrated...Not me

3)many contemporaries said Gibbon was better

4) I dont think Darcy was "slacker"

I think Gibbons was better...his resume proves it
Gibbons knocked out McGoorty but Eddie was old man.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 06:01 PM
"Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism"

1) You accuse the wrong person my friend...I am not from USA neither I live there

2) Many contemporaries thought Darcy was overrated...Not me

3)many contemporaries said Gibbon was better

4) I dont think Darcy was "slacker"

I think Gibbons was better...his resume proves it
How do you explain Mike's loss to Lightweight Packey McFarland...... I love McFarland and he certainly was a greater fighter,... but a Lightweight ??....... he was twenty years old when he lost to Clabby (Mike must have been in fair comapny just to be there with Clabby), Darcy was only seventeen and had fought only one overseas fighter.. admittedly Mike had only about 15 fights into his career (Clabby),..... But his Newspaper decision against a Greb with just 14 fights to his name and younger than Mike,..... sort of makes that about equal. -------- why can't he stop Gus Christie who Darcy ate alive ??.... obviously Mike wasn't the puncher that Darcy was.------------------------------------------------ He loses to a nobody named Jack Denning he's about 26 yo now................................... I don't see how he is totally dominating Smith,,,, no KO in their first fight..... he then has his first McGoorty bout,,... AND LOSES ( now recall Darcy's total knockouts over him !!!!)...and Loses to JACK MCCALLUM ???????.. who's he ????...... by this time he is a veteran, at this time Les is 16 and a LW,..... who is beating grown men who are all hardened ring veterans..... they are both way too good for Young Ahearn....... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh he beats the pretender Al McCoy,.... but of course who didn't beat that bum. and there are so many nobodies here it's ridiculous, why is a top fighter fighting all those bums, when he's already mixed it with legends---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George KO Brown, what a fighter...... Darcy and Gibbons can't knock him out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beats McGoorty and Clabby, but only by newspaper decision...... bit he can't stop McGoorty.... again... I'll say this for MIKE........ I find out he had a GREAT Chin too...... McGoorty knocks anybody out if they don't have an iron chin. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------WTF !!!!!!! Who is Soldier Bartfield...... I have no idea,..... but HE BEATS GIBBONS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Kid Lewis was a WW,.... no big deal,................ Now in actual fact Darcy was way better than Jeff Smith, maybe The dirtiest fighter ever,...... Smith looked for the easy way out,.... he only won a single round against Darcy..... he needs to cheat and steal a victory by a DQ........ In The second fight Smith took a terrible beating from Darcy, and this time fouled Darcy just so he didn't get knocked out........ But can Mike Gibbons bash the crap out of him..... No Smith goes the distance many times with Mike...... instead of two cowardly effort in two fights that kasted on 7 rounds in total....... Did you know that Smith was kicked out of Australia in disgrace,... and he never received a cent for the two round hiding that Smith took from Darcy because he was a disgrace. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now he fights Chip three times with two newspaper decisions and a draw...... Couldn't knock Chip out in 3 fights...... Darcy won every single one of the nine rounds and KNOCKED CHIP OUT COLD WITH ONE PUNCH IN THE 9th................................... His resume better than Darcy ..... THAT'S A BIG statement....................... I just can't see it..... He is barely better than Chip..... ------------------------------------------- Les Darcy showed that Chip was NOWHERE in the ballpark......... As you can see I have been doing some research....... I haven't come across any statistics showing how many times that Mike may have been knocked down over his career,.... but in truth it seems as though Darcy faced the far bigger puncher in Harold Hardwicke (who was somewhat of an all round sportsman,.. around Olympic class swimmer as well)............ I'll give you this for Gibbons............. he may have a chin near Darcy's class, but Darcy's record as a big hitter shows he was far more powerful than Mike....... that shows up with my above facts........ It seems to me that Mike Gibbons would find 20 rounds against Darcy a long time to avoid Les's power........ Gibbons never fought a Banger who hit like Darcy,......... I don't see that guy on Gibbons record... -------------------------- I'm so glad I didn't do 1000 words, but I think I have an even stronger case now. Of course I recognise your right to your opinion..... And please find that fight film of Mike Gibbons for me if you can........ The only way I will ever change my opinion here would be to see Mike in action and be totally blown away and say out loud "WTF !!!!!!,,,,,, JC all mighty,.... is this the white Robinson ???....... how the **** can ANYONE BEAT THIS GUY,....... IS HE THE GREATEST OR WHAT..... OMFG... poor Les would be knocked out in 10 seconds OMFG"............ You know what I mean... he would have to be TOP 10 MW of all time.... because I have Darcy there,.. I'm just not exactly where....... But we can almost compare them directly... similar conditions and a fair number of common opponents........ Darcy proved he was superior to every opponent he ever fought..... he really lost on two decisions,... which were very close and very disputed...... and he was eighteen years old by the time he was robbed in the Smith fight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not one opponent, did not Darcy destroy,.... he avenged all losses with stoppages.................................... He was much better than anybody he ever fought.

McGoorty
09-16-2011, 08:34 PM
"Darcy is post-modern-U.S.-revisionism"

1) You accuse the wrong person my friend...I am not from USA neither I live there

2) Many contemporaries thought Darcy was overrated...Not me

3)many contemporaries said Gibbon was better

4) I dont think Darcy was "slacker"

I think Gibbons was better...his resume proves it
I also note that although Clabby beat Mike in their first fight, Jimmy had twice as many fights as Mike but Mike was the first fighter with any sort of a name Clabby ever fought... At that stage Clabby was only fighting 6 round prelim fights... Gibbons was the first decent boxer that I can see on Clabby's record....... So Gibbons has not much excuse there.... Remember this too,..... by the age that Gibbons was when he fought Clabby for the first time, 22 and a couple of months....... Les Darcy had completed his entire career and died... Gibbons doesn't come near Darcy level isn't until he's at least 27 or 28............... Now for him to be better than Darcy, you must be assuming that Darcy would have gotten worse as he went in to his mid twenties...... mate, he'd have to go backwards to be at his Eighteen and a half year old stage........ I think Darcy might have been twice as good in 1922 as in 1916......... It would go against all common sense.

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 05:24 AM
I also note that although Clabby beat Mike in their first fight, Jimmy had twice as many fights as Mike but Mike was the first fighter with any sort of a name Clabby ever fought... At that stage Clabby was only fighting 6 round prelim fights... Gibbons was the first decent boxer that I can see on Clabby's record....... So Gibbons has not much excuse there.... Remember this too,..... by the age that Gibbons was when he fought Clabby for the first time, 22 and a couple of months....... Les Darcy had completed his entire career and died... Gibbons doesn't come near Darcy level isn't until he's at least 27 or 28............... Now for him to be better than Darcy, you must be assuming that Darcy would have gotten worse as he went in to his mid twenties...... mate, he'd have to go backwards to be at his Eighteen and a half year old stage........ I think Darcy might have been twice as good in 1922 as in 1916......... It would go against all common sense.

When Clabby- Gibbons happened gibbons did not have ten fights...When Darcy lost to Fritz Holland (who was far inferior to him or Gibbons.) he clearly had more fights and was more experienced...How do you explain this? By Darcy's age of course...By the way they(gibbons and clabby) fought again, and Clabby was outclassed badly and admitted defeat.

Here are some reports:-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZJMWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yCAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5308,253476&dq=mike+gibbons+clabby&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=DPogAAAAIBAJ&sjid=aXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=2517,2432832&dq=mike+gibbons+clabby&hl=en

GIBBONS OUTPOINTS JIM CLABBY IN RING; Cleverness of St. Paul Boxer Earns Him Popular Decision in a Ten-Round Bout.

MILWAUKEE, Wis., Jan. 21. -- Mike Gibbons of St. Paul had a shade over Jimmy Clabby of Hammond, Ind., middleweight, in a ten-round no-decision boxing bout tonight, according to a majority of sporting writers at the ringside.

So Clabby got outclassed badly when Gibbons matured...it appears he did wipe the floor with Clabby too.


Besides I can prove that McFarland had only one pound disadvantage against Gibbons...Whether he was a lightweight once doesnt matter...What matters was their weighs when they fought...Sugar Ray was ranked as a lightweight once too...you know...

Gibbons weighed 153 and McFarland 152...heres the source

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=rktKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yyUDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3695,6341948&dq=mike+gibbons+packey+mcfarland&hl=en

Besides like you called a Les Darcy loss disputed...I can give you actual sources for this one...

The Associated Press, which tabbed the fight 7-2-1 for Gibbons.(Yea that one sided). The New York Times and referee Billy Job called it a draw, which is how the contest is most often recorded today...

Well you can read a summary here...it is headlined

BIG DIFFERENCE OF OPINION AMONG EXPERTS AS RESULT OF GIBBONS - MCFARLAND SCRAP...

THE UNITED PRESS SAYS mcfarland WON AND AP SAYS gibbons WON...

Here is another report favouring Gibbons:-
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=91gDAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jygDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4943,6166555&dq=mike+gibbons+packey+mcfarland+round&hl=en

Here is one favouring a draw (the ny times)
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10F10FD3E5F17738DDDAB0994D1405B858DF1D3

Okay????


Well as for better at young age? Darcy was brilliant at his age..Gibbons was kind of late bloomer...

We have seen this...Tyson was better at 21 than Ali was...Busther Mathis beat Frazier at Olympic trials so he was better at that age...we all know what happened next...

Besides I don't get the point it appears you hold Gibbons loss in second year against him..yet you give Darcy the pass...

Yep , Clabby did worse against Darcy, but when Gibbons matured he got outclassed ...Gibbons also did better against some common opponents...

Lastly what Darcy thought of Dillon does not matter..Dillon was bigger than anyone Darcy faced...and would have been his best test.

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 07:46 AM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 12:03 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon
I can also prove that Jeff Smith is lying... he was crooked..... of course he hates Darcy and Australia..... I can also tell you that Snowy Baker was crooked, and Hugh D. McIntosh, these guys told Darcy that Jack Kearns was bent too.... and they all were.... Darcy on the other hand was clean, Smith is bitter, he was beaten soundly in the second fight. I appreciate all the sources, I know they are basically all to do with McIntosh and Billy Hughes's government...... I beg you to understand the power and influence, the U.S. knew they were going to go to war soon, and Australia suddenly became important to the U.S..................... there are thousands here that know that they wanted to get control of him..... mate, why all the fuss, if Darcy isn't the hottest prospect, and any top promoters and managers want his contract.... As my Darcy thread gets updated, I can demonstrate the amount of opposition Darcy had......... Gibbons was lucky to be a late bloomer, instead of a youngster, in a foreign land with everybody he meets trying to get a piece of him,... and not ONE single bit of helpful advice. ....... I will read every link you put up there......... I can tell that the McFarland fight,...... more Newspapers gave Packey the decision,... but a fat McFarland, still seems to have the edge, and McFarland is almost without peer..... Yes as I have now stated a dozen times that Mike is a great fighter...... but I think most evidence points to Darcy still..... Les also fought some really good fighters that Mike didn't.... Dave Smith has a victory over some great fighters, including Billy Papke......... Darcy fought at least Ten top-notchers too... ------------------------------------------- I have noticed quite a few quotes above that I can refute. Clabby was fighting prelim 6 round fighters until he met Mike.... Harry Greb had but 14 fights when Greb lost a narrow newspaper decision........ But I state here and now, Darcy was more experienced because he only fought 20 rounders, whereas Gibbons is only edging guys out in ND 10 rounders.ONLY HALF FIGHTS... and corrupt to the max....... How can that compare to Darcy's career.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Your biggest misstatement though is your opinion that Darcy never fought a guy of Jack Dillons size..... bollocks.... Dave Smith, Les O'Donnell, Hardwicke were as big and bigger....... and Fred Fulton, was 6 x6 .... and about 235 pounds, Darcy beat him up badly,..... made Fulton quit after JUST TWO ROUNDS.... a spar you say ???.... there are people here who use sparring here to strengthen their claims for guys like Greb.............. Darcy could take the punch from the biggest HW's... and then he usually knocked them out....... And BTW, common opponent George K.O. Brown, was as big as Dillon...... they weighed the same...... lastly what is Gibbons reach.......... and Mike rose higher after Darcy's death,... and until Darcy died... Les's resume was much better than Gibbons's, I'm going to boxrec.... and I'm gound to draw a line between Gibbons Pre 1917,.... and then after 1917........ then I'll read all your articles.............. Are you related to Bulldogs ???...... you have a bit of LaMotta in you.. you hate to admit defeat........ But we'll see, how this debate goes...... I wonder what the rest of you think ???..... Darcy or Gibbons ?????

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 12:38 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon
Just from that last paragraph and claims Darcy dodged Gibbons.......... If you really know Darcy, you would know that Darcy was DESPERATE TO FIGHT MIKE, DESPERATE TO FIGHT ANYONE.......it just flies in the face of the real fact...... LES NEEDED TO FIGHT... HE LOVED TO FIGHT.....AND DODGED NOBODY EVER...... Just look at his 50 fight career, and tell me ONE NAME, That Les Dodged in Australia........ The KID never refused a fight. never. In fact he had signed to fight Dillon,..... was it fright that Darcy died of ????.......... This is THE LES DARCY we are talking about,... not some yellow gutless wonder,..... I ask you...... He was a virtual bamtamweight and only 14 when he fought a 28 year old veteran pug,...... does the word "Ducked" come to mind now,.. of course not, and by the way.... that blokes name was Guv'nor Balsa.... and he was a lightweight... No way a Kid with a ducker mentality,... takes on and BEATS in 11 rounds,......... No Mate, Les wanted Gibbons bad, was looking forward to it....... and it is a FACT...... newspapers sometimes print what they are paid to print........... Jeff Smith was humiliated by a nineteen year old........ you name me a single other MW who Jeff SMITh doesn't annihilate and probably Kill ?????........ Les Darcy was not anywhere near normal, he is a total boxing freak.

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 01:23 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en Al McCoy fight was a ND..... but isn't it interesting to see that McCoy was called NOT world champion,.. but just Champion of the U.S.A...... do you agree that Albert McCoy is very much a pretender ????..... He whalloped Billy Murray...... well Murray was annihilated by Darcy and Chip,... and McCoy never defended his title once........ yeah I'd say Darcy was the real king....... But Mike cannot be considered The Australian champ, impossible..... Gibbons NEVER WENT THERE..... To be Australian title holder you had to sign with McIntosh and go to Aussie........ an incredibly weak title claim... You can blame Albert McCoy for Mike not being officially American champion...... In fact 95% of all "World Titles", were in actual fact,... Champions of America only.

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en O.K. this article has many flaws in your argument..... I'll clear up the dodge issue now.... Darcy wasn't ducking Gibbons... he was banned from fighting by the governors of nearly every state.... Gibbons is the victim of International politics here, Darcy never ducked him ------------- and please explain how the great Mike Gibbons loses against a nobody like Soldier Bartfield ??????..... maybe injury, I don't know,.. but Darcy never ever ever got beat by a Bartfield....... Whitelaw would beat Bartfield senseless.... maybe there's a simple reason for it.... but I haven't found a reason for a prime Gibbons to put up such a shocker..... you show me a single Darcy shocker..... I think his second fight with Clabby was his only real ordinary performance.... and he won that comfortably on points.... Soldier Bartfield Vs Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn't cause much excitement/

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls Nothing at all said against Darcy, apart from loser Smith..... But there's one passage that suggest the Mike wasn't liked by the locals due to some poor performances.. and I quote, "Many of the critics are inclined to throw cold water on Mike's demand for a match. The folks don't like Mike because he showed a few bad fights around these parts". then the writer goes on........ 10 round ND fights are rubbish fights anyway

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon

That's all for now mate..... you have left me a weeks work..... you big MEANIE..... LOL.

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 01:46 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3 This newspaper is a Pro-Darcy story, if you read through it it states for Darcy.... I apologise To Abe Attell.... it was McGovern speouting all that crap.... McGOVERN NEVER SAW DARCY IN HIS LIFE..... Those statements prove that he was in Billy Hughes's pay.... because ask yourself this..... HOW CAN HE SAY THIS CRAP IF HE DOESN"T EVEN KNOW DARCY....... TERRIBLE LIAR TERRY McGOVERN WHO PAID JOE GANS TO TAKE A DIVE !!!!..... His word ain't worth SHI.......

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon

Yes, but Darcy wanted those fights.... but He Wanted Carpentier most along with Willard...... You know that Jess ducked Darcy..... any mention of Gibbons wanting Willard..... ????

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 02:10 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en This is a VILE article, it is completely lies, the entire lot, can't you see how this is a vicious put up job.... I bet the Bastards got a Lot of Aussie Pounds in CASH for this.... "Slacker" article, not once does it mentioned that he was banned...... Fighters were dodging him.... AND OF COURSE A FIGHT WITH McCoy WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO FANS.... It's For the UNDISPUTED WORLD TITLE..... Something that had not existed in the MW division since 1910.......... This is the worst journalism I've read for a long time...... ANYWAY IT'S all better explained in the Darcy Book Thread (I haven't reached that stage in the thread yet..... I have 1000's of words to post there before we get to it...... P.M. me if you want to know more.... once you've read the book through you will find out the truth...... if I haven't already said it a hundred times here so far.

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon

:burnup::arabia::You_Rock_ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 02:43 PM
Here is an article hailing Gibbons as the champ(of Australia and USA) over Mccoy and smith

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I79QAAAAIBAJ&sjid=hQINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2885,1548959&dq=mike+gibbons+mcgoorty&hl=en

Another interesting article of Gibbons

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CApeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4l8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2809,2388935&dq=mike+gibbons+jeff+smith&hl=en

Here is a bit of controversial artcile, it Claims that Gibbons was trying to force Darcy to a a match without any succees

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBZKAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UyANAAAAIBAJ&pg=3353,2828059&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en


Here is another saying Gibbons chased in vain :-

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another saying Darcy to "Either fight or shut up"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=m_JWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=h0INAAAAIBAJ&pg=1668,5995113&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another article on the same line which also says that Smith hates Darcy and in Australia he was a victim of a put up job and darcy was falsely declared winner on fouls

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_fsgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mXUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,599132&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

Here is another

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WxwbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UkkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4044,2386065&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy+contract&hl=en

and another
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZTR19170331.2.63.3

an overwhemling majority wanted ro match him against Gibbons as most saw that the big test lay there...not only Dillon...it was Gibbons then Dillon
Mate I just found this article where Jack Kearns say about Daecy in 1926... This is the stuff I'm talking about,, This Jack "Doc" Kearns claiming Darcy is the greatest Middleweight to ever live........ it's at the very botton in this Article about Darcy Victim Billy Murray.. here is that link,. >> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tnBGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eiQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1439,39134&dq=jimmy+clabby+on+les+darcy&hl=en

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 03:22 PM
1) Gibbons wanted to fight Darcy bad, and same with Darcy...I know this

2) Gibbons was always a boring fighter not a crowd pleaser. No doubt the crowd did not like him...But he lost only 3 fights...in a long career...

3) P4P I think no one of the era had better or faster footwork, except may be Tunney. I have seen his footage and he is awesome.

4) I know about suspension...but it was no fault of Gibbons he was keen to fight Darcy and confident he will win, no doubt as was Darcy. People no doubt thought Darcy was dodging Gibbons...did you know that there are articles which say that Darcy actually priced himself out, and it was before he was banned..

I think though when the allegations were being made that Darcy was ducking
Gibbons, he was not banned...And I can prove that , though I think it was Rickard who was calling the shots and messed up.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

This says endeavor of Darcy to squirm out of contract with Gibbons is being disliked..


I did not post those as I didnot have to...just wanted to prove to you that Gibbons was as confident that he will beat Darcy...I think I proved it plenty...we savvy?

5) I tried to prove there is always two sides of the coin. I didn't mean to demean Darcy..also I think it is clear Gibbons held the edge over Smith, McGoorty, Clabby (in his second fight he was outclassed and himself admitted this, source already provided) and Smith (whom Darcy lost to). Also beating some additional greats whom Darcy could not fight like Dillons who had almost 10 pounds advantage over Gibbons...Ted Kid Lewis was a great fighter...if I remember correctly he did not give more than 5 pounds to Gibbons , you call this a advantage...and I reapeat Bartfield got outclassed...

MIKE GIBBONS BEATS BARTFIELD
The Hartford Courant (1887-1922) - Hartford, Conn.
90 % newspaper say so...by the by, in those days you will find 10 % for anybody.

NZ Truth and another news paper gave it to Bartfield but the AP report and most others gave it to Gibbons as did the referee...I think if Darcy fought Clabby in America , Clabby might have found one paper...as it was a close fight.

He also outclassed Al McCoy badly (which is why I think he was the better claimant of the middle weight championship.



6) Gibbons did not lose to Bartfield most of the news paper gave him victory. I mentioned Dillons because I don't think Darcy beat anyone of the same size and skill.

7) I already know about mcCoy, he was a pretender, and Gibbons was better.

8) I quoted Smith just to prove that not everybody thought Darcy was the best...certainly not Smith.Lastly George "K.O." Brown, and another fighter who visited Australia named Milburn Saylor, both thought that Darcy was overrated. Again just to prove that he was not that evenly rated, as the best (Brown fought him and fought him well by the by)

9) "McFarland fight"-- The most influential newspaper had it a draw (NY times) and the referee had it a draw too...The associated press(one of the most influential ) gave it to Gibbons...I know this fight well....Gibbons got the vote of the majority or draw some gave it to McFarland ...Gibbons started well, and created a huge lead. The middle rounds were sort of even...But Gibbons tried and McFarland came back strongly...Some papers gave it to McFarland on this...most said Gibbon's early lead and work in the mid rounds was enough...I repeat I know this fight well...you will struggle to prove otherwise.

More ever as I already posted Gibbons had a one pound advantage only.

But hey , why are we arguing...you rate Darcy better I Gibbons...we are not going to change...lets agree to disagree....:boxing:

:You_Rock_ too mate.

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
Mate I just found this article where Jack Kearns say about Daecy in 1926... This is the stuff I'm talking about,, This Jack "Doc" Kearns claiming Darcy is the greatest Middleweight to ever live........ it's at the very botton in this Article about Darcy Victim Billy Murray.. here is that link,. >> http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tnBGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=eiQNAAAAIBAJ&pg=1439,39134&dq=jimmy+clabby+on+les+darcy&hl=en
Here is what the Americans are saying about Les Darcy now that he is dead,... backing up my claims that Darcy was a victim of Wolves and hidden crooks and politicians.... Please read this.... the link... >>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=19&ved=0CFAQqQIwCDgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DuP0gAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dq3UFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D6587% 2C2609701%26dq%3Djimmy%2Bclabby%2Bon%2Bles%2Bdarcy %26hl%3Den&ei=9dh0Tp68OKrwmAW7yaz4DA&usg=AFQjCNEfm8kcmHjCLmFZ3CuYSz2iFcfBmQ&sig2=AFcx773HtDMwpIaSSwMGTw

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 03:36 PM
Here is a small article proving why they should fight...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BbYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RUkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2740,2914314&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

It also states that Mike beat KO brown easily who almost held Darcy...

And lastly Gibbons was acknowledged as the middle weight champ of Australia after he beat Jeff Smith who had by that time beat Darcy and was acknowledged as the middle weight champ of Australia. Darcy lost on a foul though. Since Gibbons beat Smith handily and outclassed McCoy a pretender anyways, and also beat Clabby who had beaten McCoy too..he was accepted as the middle weight champ of the world (America and Australia)....

Note : Much of this has to do with the fact that Smith after losing on a foul claimed the title still...

I hope now you atleast believe Mike's claim was not so absurd, he did as the article said beat everybody who was put up before him..

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 03:38 PM
Here is what the Americans are saying about Les Darcy now that he is dead,... backing up my claims that Darcy was a victim of Wolves and hidden crooks and politicians.... Please read this.... the link... >>> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=19&ved=0CFAQqQIwCDgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3DuP0gAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dq3UFAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D6587% 2C2609701%26dq%3Djimmy%2Bclabby%2Bon%2Bles%2Bdarcy %26hl%3Den&ei=9dh0Tp68OKrwmAW7yaz4DA&usg=AFQjCNEfm8kcmHjCLmFZ3CuYSz2iFcfBmQ&sig2=AFcx773HtDMwpIaSSwMGTw

I sincerely believe Darcy was never a "slacker"...please believe me...I just think Gibbons was better...a lot of bull**** is said about many fighters...what ever he was phenomenal for a fighter and I think was as good as any body of that era...



"Darcy had a difficult training routine. He was still working for the blacksmith, Ford. He still had no name except among the men of the Hunter Valley and Newcastle. So he had no properly rigged training quarters. At home in East Maitland, he went out at four am and pounded the roads before beginning work at the forge between 6 and 7 am. He finished work at 6 pm, went home, had his bath and tea and went out to the shed behind the rented house at Brisbane Street to spar with Jack Burns and Les Fletcher, belt the big bag, do his body exercises and finally be massaged by Mick Hawkins at 10.30. "
Frankie Bruno, boxer----Doesn't sound so slack to me atleast


The furious rushes of this boy, for such he was, impressed me. I had never experienced such intensity of purpose as I did with this unknown.
Fred Holland...

If someone had Gibbons video ( I am asking the GreatA chiefly, others also if possible)...can you please post it here...I had it...but my sick harddisk crashed and I lost all my select fights...it has been deleted from you tube also...

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 04:06 PM
I sincerely believe Darcy was never a "slacker"...please believe me...I just think Gibbons was better...a lot of bull**** is said about many fighters...what ever he was phenomenal for a fighter and I think was as good as any body of that era...



"Darcy had a difficult training routine. He was still working for the blacksmith, Ford. He still had no name except among the men of the Hunter Valley and Newcastle. So he had no properly rigged training quarters. At home in East Maitland, he went out at four am and pounded the roads before beginning work at the forge between 6 and 7 am. He finished work at 6 pm, went home, had his bath and tea and went out to the shed behind the rented house at Brisbane Street to spar with Jack Burns and Les Fletcher, belt the big bag, do his body exercises and finally be massaged by Mick Hawkins at 10.30. "
Frankie Bruno, boxer----Doesn't sound so slack to me atleast


The furious rushes of this boy, for such he was, impressed me. I had never experienced such intensity of purpose as I did with this unknown.
Fred Holland...

If someone had Gibbons video ( I am asking the GreatA chiefly, others also if possible)...can you please post it here...I had it...but my sick harddisk crashed and I lost all my select fights...it has been deleted from you tube also...

"That boy's the best fighter I ever fought. He's the greatest fighter in the world. He's hard to hit and harder still to hurt. I don't think there's anyone in the world could beat him."
Eddie McGoorty

"Les Darcy is the best man in the world. I bar no one, not even Jess Willard (world heavyweight champion). The man who can take Eddie McGoory's left swing on the jaw without flinching would not be hurt by anyone."
Fritz Holland

I understand unlike KO brown some rated him high too..and he deserved it

Greatest1942
09-17-2011, 04:24 PM
"That boy's the best fighter I ever fought. He's the greatest fighter in the world. He's hard to hit and harder still to hurt. I don't think there's anyone in the world could beat him."
Eddie McGoorty

"Les Darcy is the best man in the world. I bar no one, not even Jess Willard (world heavyweight champion). The man who can take Eddie McGoory's left swing on the jaw without flinching would not be hurt by anyone."
Fritz Holland

I understand unlike KO brown some rated him high too..and he deserved it


Now let me make two things clear and I hope this is my last post in the thread..

1) Darcy when he came here was viewed as a contender...just a contender. Which ideally should not have been the case...as he was more like a belt holder of today's world...he tried to match the guy who will give him the most money....He turned down the Gibbons offer to fight Al McCoy a pretender which lost him some respect.

2) To be honest unlike most Americans I do believe that Darcy was ill advised the guys he recruited in America ( a guess) who inexplicably after Darcy was offered a handsome sum to fight Mike Gibbons or Dillons started to look for a match with CArpeintier ,this damaged the reputation further ...He was a very young kid anyways...In the end he realized probably that Mike Gibbons was the man to beat and not Mccoy , however a lot of allegations has been formed by then , and people had started to doubt that he was dodging Mike anyways...

Here is an article stating Darcy refused great offers waiting for Carpeintier..to the Americans it appeared he was cancelling legitimate offers to fight bonafide opponents like Gibbons or Dillon...What worsened matters was that Dillon and Gibbons accepted to fight Darcy and there were reports that Darcy was putting it off.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F40711F9345B17738DDDA10A94DA415B868DF1D3


Then Carpentier also does not happen. Mismanagement at its best

But the man to the last wanted to fight Mike Gibbons, I think this would have happened, but fate interfered...

Read this
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=VglkAAAAIBAJ&sjid=vHoNAAAAIBAJ&pg=4033,2332969&dq=les+darcy+mike+gibbons&hl=en

When you realize what happened next , you really feel sorry for the kid...

An ATG no doubt...a real prodigy

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:27 PM
Mike Gibbons

Nickname: The St. Paul Phantom
Sex: Male
Era: Retired
Division: Middleweight
Southpaw: No
Nationality: United States
Career Stage: Prime
Career Start: 1908
Career End: 1922


Biography

boxrec.com ID: 11267
Biography Career Record: W110(KO 38) / L10(KO 0) / D10 Never won a world title but is regarded as one of the greatest middleweights of all time. Inducted into the international boxing hall of fame in 1992. Defeated Mike O'Dowd, Happy Littleton, Eddie McGoorty, Jeff Smith, Battling Ortega, Augie Ratner, Chuck Wiggins, George Chip, Leo Houck, Soldier Bartfield, Jack Dillion, Ted Kid Lewis, Packey McFarland, Young Erne, Willie Lewis, Jimmy Clabby, Bob Moha.
Date of Birth: 1887-07-01
Deceased: 1956-08-01


Ratings

Control vs Boxer: 12
Control vs Slugger: 11
Hitting Power: 1
Chin vs Knockdown: 1
Chin vs Knockout: 0
Recovery: 0
Resistance to Cuts: 1
Absorb Punishment: 1
Killer Instinct: 6
Aggressiveness: 6
Endurance: 10
Defense: -6
Fast Starter: 2
Fight on Ropes: 0

Draw Power: 4
Conditioning: 1
Intellect: 8
Proficiency: 10
Fight Inside: 1
Fight Outside: 4
Cover Up: 4
Go for Knockout: 0
Clinching: 69
Ring Movement: 70
Style: Boxer
Fouls: Seldom
Punches: % 2 Pt. - 3 Pt.
Jabs: 28.00 - 2.00
Hooks: 20.00 - 0.00
Crosses: 14.00 - 0.00
Combinations: 25.00 - 1.00
Uppercuts: 10.00 - 0.00

Punching: 42
Counterpunching: 44
Punches Missed: 59
Overall Rating: 12

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:28 PM
Les Darcy

Nickname The Maitland Wonder
Sex: Male
Era: Retired
Division: Middleweight
Southpaw: No
Nationality: Australia
Career Stage: Prime
Career Start: 1910
Career End: 1916


Biography

boxrec.com ID: 39979
Biography Career Record: W46(KO 29) / L4(KO 0) / D0
Date of Birth: 1895-10-01
Deceased: 1917-05-01


Ratings

Control vs Boxer: 9
Control vs Slugger: 11
Hitting Power: 6
Chin vs Knockdown: 1
Chin vs Knockout: 0
Recovery: 0
Resistance to Cuts: 1
Absorb Punishment: 2
Killer Instinct: 7
Aggressiveness: 8
Endurance: 9
Defense: -4
Fast Starter: 3
Fight on Ropes: 2

Draw Power: 4
Conditioning: 2
Intellect: 10
Proficiency: 10
Fight Inside: 2
Fight Outside: 3
Cover Up: 2
Go for Knockout: 2
Clinching: 69
Ring Movement: 70
Style: Boxer
Fouls: Occasionally
Punches: % 2 Pt. - 3 Pt.
Jabs: 21.25 - 1.25
Hooks: 12.50 - 5.00
Crosses: 23.75 - 3.75
Combinations: 5.00 - 5.00
Uppercuts: 20.00 - 2.50

Punching: 40
Counterpunching: 42
Punches Missed: 61
Overall Rating: 12

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 04:38 PM
1) Gibbons wanted to fight Darcy bad, and same with Darcy...I know this

2) Gibbons was always a boring fighter not a crowd pleaser. No doubt the crowd did not like him...But he lost only 3 fights...in a long career... Well he was beaten in some other fights too, maybe some hostility due to his style I don't know but I've found some of his "wins" are also highly disputed...... He lost at least some of those no-contests.

3) P4P I think no one of the era had better or faster footwork, except may be Tunney. I have seen his footage and he is awesome. Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was Brilliant,.. they fought Gibbons and Darcy and they say that Gibbons is very skillful, but they also say that Darcy is the greatest ( and they said this during Darcy's life AND after ),,, fighter in the world... and it's clear that Darcy knew it all by the time he fought Chip..... I really would need to see Gibbons on film in a fight. Until then I only have your opinion and some written evidence,,...... It seems that many of Darcy's fights were deemed important enough to film and preserve... although about 6 other Darcy Fight films have been lost....... Maybe heaps of Gibbons film perished I don't know.

4) I know about suspension...but it was no fault of Gibbons he was keen to fight Darcy and confident he will win, no doubt as was Darcy. People no doubt thought Darcy was dodging Gibbons...did you know that there are articles which say that Darcy actually priced himself out, and it was before he was banned.. Well I can tell you that governor Whitman and then most of the other State Governors DID I REPEAT DID REFUSE DARCY THE RIGHT TO FIGHT.......... You are very wrong on this point my friend....... There is MOUNTAINS OF PROOF FOR THIS FACT...... ALL AUSTRALIA KNOWS THIS...... BTW........... The BOLD print is not me raising my voice... I am just Stressing this point....... The POLITICIANS and others who missed their piece of the cake..... In fact I think I posted a link a few minutes ago and you may have read it by now...... LOL..LOL..LOL.. too late for an edit I saw it LOL..... I'm never going to get to the Liston/Marciano thread at this rate >>>LOL>>>LOL

I think though when the allegations were being made that Darcy was ducking
Gibbons, he was not banned...And I can prove that , though I think it was Rickard who was calling the shots. As I just said..... He had enemies as high as President WILSON FOR mercy's sake.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=2dYsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DiAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5703,1677543&dq=mike+gibbons+les+darcy&hl=en

This says endeavor of Darcy to squirm out of contract with Gibbons is being disliked.. POLITICIANS..... etc. etc..


I did not post those as I didnot have to...just wanted to prove to you that Gibbons was as confident that he will beat Darcy...I think I proved it plenty...we savvy? That's cool, only Gibbons and Dillon had the guts to meet Darcy.... thank god.... although I don't think Gibbons would have been so confident by the 15th round... We are talking about a Darcy who was older more mature and probably improved out of sight....

5) I tried to prove there is always two sides of the coin. I didn't mean to demean Darcy..also I think it is clear Gibbons held the edge over Smith, McGoorty, Clabby (in his second fight he was outclassed and himself admitted this, source already provided) and Smith (whom Darcy lost to). Also beating some additional greats whom Darcy could not fight like Dillons who had almost 10 pounds advantage over Gibbons...Ted Kid Lewis was a great fighter...if I remember correctly he did not give more than 5 pounds to Gibbons , you call this a advantage...and I reapeat Bartfield got outclassed... I think he fought Bartfield a few times... seriously who is Bartfield to be even anywhere near a Gibbons.... To beat Darcy, I'd expect a Gibbons to dispatch Bartfield in just a couple of rounds.. and some newspapers claimed he won one of those fights, Boxrec give Bartfield the verdict so more papers must have thought the Soldier to be victorious... a very close stoush by the sounds of it, but why is Gibbons not destroying this guy in 2 or 3 or 4 bouts ---------------------------- And Darcy was superior to those guys too,... as for Dillon,.... seriously Some of Darcy's victims beat Dillon,,, McGoorty certainly did...... If Eddie is that close to Dillon,.... how is Dillon close to Darcy,....... I don't think Les KO's the very tough Dillon,... but he will walk away with the decision just as he did with Clabby, when Les was ill,.. and had bruised hands,...... even Clabby admitted that Darcy would have knocked him out but for the hands..... Darcy was fighting a 20 round bout at least once a month.......

MIKE GIBBONS BEATS BARTFIELD
The Hartford Courant (1887-1922) - Hartford, Conn.
90 % newspaper say so...by the by, in those days you will find 10 % for anybody.

NZ Truth and another news paper gave it to Bartfield but the AP report and most others gave it to Gibbons as did the referee...I think if Darcy fought Clabby in America , Clabby might have found one paper...as it was a close fight. Yes maybe Clabby would get a newspaper decision,....... acyually I really admire clabby,,,, and same for Fritz Holland..... I am also referring to their personal qualities...... they were wonderful nice guys.... and they were very classy characters..

He also outclassed Al McCoy badly (which is why I think he was the better claimant of the middle weight championship. We are in agreement there (Hallelujah).... I think we can also agree that McCoy won just 1 fight in a series with George Chip,... and we should both agree that McCoy cheated to stop Chip in the 1st by a foul.... Chip never repudiated his statements about that corrupt fight,,......... AL McCOY was never champion......... and McGoorty, Clabby, Chip, Klaus, Darcy, Papke, Dillon, Tommy Uren and maybe Mick King, Dave Smith were actually better than McCoy as well..... the first six are for certain better than McCoy (keep in mind that McCoy hit pretty hard and alway's had a punchers chance, as far as I know he was very very crude).... Do you agree ???



6) Gibbons did not lose to Bartfield most of the news paper gave him victory. I'll look further into that,.... I was only curious when I saw all the nobodies scattered amongst the good one and saw that result in stark red in BOXREC.......... We must be both learning more as we go.

7) I already know about mcCoy, he was a pretender, and Gibbons was better. (hallelujah !!!! and LOL...LOL..McCoy is the worst.

8) I quoted Smith just to prove that not everybody thought Darcy was the best...certainly not Smith.Lastly George "K.O." Brown, and another fighter who visited Australia named Milburn Saylor, both thought that Darcy was overrated. Again just to prove that he was not that evenly rated, as the best (Brown fought him and fought him well by the by) On the bits of film I have seen with Brown and Darcy.... KO seems to be getting hit at will.... beware of false journo's..... Records show that Darcy comfortably beat KO both times ..... I have a photo of KO in 1938 amongst about another 40 great fighters from the past,.... including Philadelphia Jack

9) "McFarland fight"-- The most influential newspaper had it a draw (NY times) and the referee had it a draw too...The associated press(one of the most influential ) gave it to Gibbons...I know this fight well....Gibbons got the vote of the majority or draw some gave it to McFarland ...Gibbons started well, and created a huge lead. The middle rounds were sort of even...But Gibbons tried and McFarland came back strongly...Some papers gave it to McFarland on this...most said Gibbon's early lead and work in the mid rounds was enough...I repeat I know this fight well...you will struggle to prove otherwise. As a fan of McFarland, I'll look into it..... great as Packey was, I think that darcy was way too big and powerful for anyone under MW,,,,, I don't think any welterweight in history could beat Darcy,... let alone a LW.... It is a fact that McFarland was at his best weight as a LW, history confirmed this...... I can only concede that the fight was so close it probably should be a draw.... interestingly enough,.... while Boxrec has McFarland the winner on Gibbons record....... I saw thatr Boxrec Had Gibbons beating McFarland on McFarland's record ??????????????..... WTF !!!!!!.... now tell me, is that weird OR WHAT ???

More ever as I already posted Gibbons had a one pound advantage only. FATTY McFARLAND... HA Ha ha ah...LOL.

But hey , why are we arguing...you rate Darcy better I Gibbons...we are not going to change...lets agree to disagree....:boxing: No Way man, we should disagree to agree to not agree ..... just kidding man,.... You are right... I may be persuaded about 5 or 6 guys to be rated ahead of Darcy,.... but no way is Mike figuring in my top 15. maybe about 18th..... he'd be honoured. :boxing: :grumble:

:You_Rock_ too mate.

.................................................. ...................................

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:53 PM
Gibbons Vs. Darcy I



Round 1

0:00 There's no more time for speculation as the fight gets underway here in Round 1.
0:05 Both fighters come into this fight predicting a win... Not that you'd expect anything else.
0:13 Gibbons does a great job of moving as Darcy tries to work inside.
0:15 Gibbons misses with the jab but scores with the follow up cross.
0:27 Gibbons lands a nice cross but Darcy turned with it, absorbing most of its power.
0:40 Darcy has Gibbons pinned!
0:40 A hard combination lands for Darcy.
0:53 There's a lot of excitement surrounding this fight. The fans are really in to it.
01:01 Gibbons pins Darcy's arms! The fighters are tied up...
01:06 Now they break clean.
01:11 Both fighters are being cautious and keeping out of range.
01:17 Mike Gibbons retreats into the far left corner.
01:17 Darcy lands a glancing, overhand right. He just missed landing that one square.
01:17 That last shot stunned Gibbons and it looks like Darcy is going to receive an added benefit from the punch because Gibbons is now bleeding.
01:17 Gibbons keeps swiping at his mouth with his glove. His lip's cut but it shouldn't be bothering him that much.
01:17 First round cuts really complicate things for a fighter.
01:30 That was a violent straight right by Darcy!
01:30 Gibbons was stunned by that blow!
01:41 A flurry of blows from Gibbons lands to the body.
02:01 There's a hard shot off the top of Mike Gibbons's head!
02:01 Gibbons was rattled by that shot and he is hurt!
02:22 Mike Gibbons lands a jab to the midsection.
02:31 Darcy doesn't have to look for Gibbons this round. He is right there in front of him.
02:40 Gibbons slides into the corner...
02:40 Darcy's hands are free inside as he lands an uppercut on Gibbons's beltline.
02:45 There's the beginning of a mouse under the right eye of Gibbons.
02:54 Darcy can't find the range as he tries to work the body.
03:00 Darcy backs into the upper left corner.
03:00 Gibbons is holding...
03:00 Lane has to separate the two...
03:00 There's the bell. That brings the first Round to a close.


Round 2

0:00 Darcy is getting his full rest as he remains on his stool as the Round 2 bell sounds. Now he's up and his corner scrambles to exit the ring.
0:15 Gibbons throws a flurry of punches but Darcy either blocks or slips them.
0:22 The action slows for the moment.
0:29 Gibbons ends up behind Les Darcy as he deftly avoids a straight ahead attack moving to his right.
0:34 Darcy quickly hitches up his trunks.
0:38 Mike Gibbons tries to push Darcy back in an attempt to gain room to punch.
0:42 Gibbons goes to the head and the body, though neither punch had much on it.
01:01 Gibbons is receiving a lot of encouragement from his corner. If this helps win fights, he has a real good shot tonight.
01:09 Mike Gibbons cuts loose with a combination and the crowd roars, but the truth is none of those punches landed. Darcy had his elbows tucked in nicely.
01:11 Darcy ducks inside, connecting with an uppercut downstairs.
01:21 Les Darcy and Gibbons are both throwing wildly, a nice flurry, with Darcy having the edge.
01:36 Darcy seems really focused on what he's doing this round.
01:43 Darcy is just missing by a hair with his punches.
01:51 Not a lot of action in the ring right now.
01:55 Gibbons lands a rapier like jab to the head of Darcy.
02:09 Darcy lands a vicious uppercut!
02:09 What a devastating shot, Gibbons looks like he is out on his feet, he has no idea where he is!
02:18 Les Darcy backs into his own corner...
02:22 Lane yells at the fighters to separate but Gibbons and Darcy are a tangle of arms.
02:27 Lane steps in and breaks it up.
02:31 The two men are circling one another, looking for an opening.
02:35 Darcy backs into a neutral corner.
02:35 Gibbons scores with consecutive blows to the body of Darcy.
02:49 Gibbons looks to the midsection, then fires a combination to the head.
02:58 Gibbons feints downstairs, then lands an uppercut under Darcy's chin.
03:00 What a great round of boxing as both fighters traded heavy leather. And the crowd is letting the combatants know that they like what they're seeing!


Round 3

0:00 Both fighters look ready to go as Round 3 begins.
0:18 Darcy's corner is urging him on. They're really vocal tonight.
0:22 Those were mostly arm punches from Mike Gibbons but several got through.
0:33 Gibbons has Darcy trapped in the upper neutral corner...
0:33 Gibbons scores with a crisp uppercut inside.
0:47 Gibbons is really fluid in his movement.
0:58 Darcy moves into a neutral corner.
0:58 Gibbons slips in a jab to the body.
01:16 Gibbons comes in low. Darcy puts a headlock on him. Lane knocks Darcy's arm off Gibbons's head.
01:31 Referee Lane has to separate the two...
01:38 Gibbons has Les Darcy trapped!
01:42 Gibbons wants to go downstairs, but can't penetrate Darcy's defense.
01:51 Gibbons fires a jab to the body.
02:05 Mike Gibbons is moving nicely, using every inch of this ring.
02:10 Darcy is forced into his own corner...
02:10 Darcy ducks into an uppercut from Gibbons.
02:22 Gibbons has Darcy blocked in!
02:22 Gibbons catches Darcy with an uppercut as he tries to duck.
02:39 And Gibbons tastes the power of a huge uppercut from Darcy!
02:39 Gibbons appears to be stunned!
02:48 Gibbons moves in and scores with a quick jab.
03:00 There's the bell, finishing Round 3.


Round 4

0:00 The bell sounds to start Round 4.
0:06 Eddie Inabagsky was extremely upbeat during the break with Darcy providing some solid encouragement.
0:08 Darcy rips a hook to the body.
0:25 Darcy scores with a tremendous right just above the waistline!
0:25 Mike Gibbons is suddenly in trouble!
0:30 Gibbons's vision could be hampered by the ever-increasing swelling under his right eye.
0:42 Les Darcy is trying to free his gloves from under Gibbons's gloves.
0:47 Referee Lane steps in to break it up.
0:55 Darcy retreats into a neutral corner.
0:59 Gibbons misses with that combination.
01:06 It's a sweet uppercut by Darcy! He snapped Gibbons's head straight back with that punch!
01:06 How is Mike Gibbons standing after that?
01:22 Darcy frees himself from Gibbons's clutches! They move to ring center now.
01:30 Gibbons shoots the jab, followed by a nice cross.
01:45 Les Darcy has Gibbons cornered!
01:49 Les Darcy ties up Gibbons. Why would he want to clinch now?
01:58 Lane has to break them apart.
02:04 Gibbons brushes the ropes and quickly spins away, heading back to ring center.
02:04 This is turning onto a real pier sixer as both fighters mix it up.
02:24 Darcy is boxing beautifully, smoothly moving side to side and in and out.
02:34 Gibbons lands a nice jab. He tries to follow it up with a cross but it misses.
02:48 Gibbons wraps his arms around Darcy.
02:57 The fighters separate after a clinch.
03:00 Les Darcy slides into a neutral corner...
03:00 Mike Gibbons misses with the left and then fails to connect with the right as well.
03:00 The seconds jump into action in Gibbons's corner as the bell sounds ending Round 4.
03:00 That blow came well after the bell and Lane is lecturing Gibbons all the way back to his corner.


Round 5

0:00 Gibbons looks to be in good shape as Round 5 gets underway.
0:06 The swelling on the face of Gibbons is noticeable, even at a distance. Although his corner men were applying cold compresses and trying to work the swelling away from his eyes, Mike Gibbons still has distension.
0:12 Lane warns Darcy for holding and hitting, although he is doing a lot more holding than hitting.
0:22 Ouch, that's a cut!
0:22 Darcy keeps wiping the blood from under his right eye with his glove. The cut shouldn't be bothering him that much.
0:22 That accidental head butt that occurred during the clinch has opened a cut!
0:31 Darcy is trapped in Gibbons's corner...
0:31 Gibbons goes to the head and the body, though neither punch had much on it.
0:41 Darcy pins Gibbons in the corner!
0:41 Darcy lets his hands go inside and scores with at least two hard shots to Gibbons's ribs.
0:55 Darcy throws a straight right that glances off the shoulder of Gibbons but it's enough to keep him off-balance.
0:57 Darcy walks in to a glancing hook from Gibbons.
01:21 Les Darcy lands a hard cross!
01:21 Gibbons suddenly has a vacant look in his eyes. That's a bad sign.
01:25 The swelling is increasing around Gibbons's right.
01:36 A straight cross from Darcy gets through Gibbons's guard.
01:55 Darcy has an army of supporters in tow tonight, judging by all the noise they're making.
02:01 Gibbons moves into the lower right corner.
02:01 Darcy throws a punch and lands. Gibbons scores with a counter. Looks like Darcy was a little more effective.
02:19 Gibbons's corner is shouting to their man, encouraging him to pick up the action.
02:22 The action is back at ring center.
02:26 Mike Gibbons picks off the jab by Darcy.
02:29 Gibbons scores with several light punches to the head.
02:44 Gibbons misses wildly with the Hook.
02:46 Darcy lets a quick hook go, catching Mike Gibbons moving in.
02:50 Gibbons is going to have to protect his continually swelling right eye or it is going to become an issue in this fight!
03:00 Les Darcy is off target with that combination.
03:00 Non stop action as they battled from pillar to post in that round!!

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:55 PM
Round 6

0:00 Gibbons looks a bit disgusted as Round 6 gets underway.
0:06 Darcy is ready to go. The cut under the right eye he suffered won't be a factor at the beginning of the round because his corner man has the bleeding stopped.
0:06 If the swelling was lessened by Gibbons's corner, it wasn't reduced enough to make a big difference. It's going to be a factor in this fight if it continues to worsen.
0:17 Darcy traps Gibbons in the corner!
0:17 Darcy lands with a short, quick uppercut in close.
0:38 Darcy grabs Mike Gibbons. Too much of this kind of thing can have a negative affect on the scoring of the fight.
0:56 Darcy shoves Mike Gibbons away.
01:11 Gibbons misses with the jab. He lets go with a left and that fails to find its mark, too.
01:14 Darcy is trying to move in behind the jab, which lands.
01:26 Les Darcy seems really focused on what he's doing this round.
01:29 Gibbons fires the jab. It finds its target.
01:47 Darcy is on his bicycle, moving from corner to corner forcing Gibbons to chase him.
01:51 Darcy wings the right cross and it gets in, though without a lot of steam on it.
01:56 Gibbons's right eye is becoming an ugly mass of swollen flesh and has got to be an inviting target for Darcy.
02:13 Darcy just comes up short with the cross.
02:19 Both men look to measure one another.
02:26 Darcy tastes Gibbons's jab.
02:26 That last shot has reopened a cut on Darcy because the blood is flowing again.
02:26 The cut under Darcy's right eye has been reopened by Mike Gibbons.
02:45 Darcy moves into a neutral corner.
02:49 Gibbons looks to work the body, but Les Darcy covers up nicely.
02:56 Both fighters are being cautious and keeping out of range.
03:00 The bell ending Round 6 sounds and the fighters return to their corners.


Round 7

0:00 The seconds hurry out of Darcy's corner as the bell sounds for Round 7.
0:06 Darcy's corner men worked their magic on his's cut under the right eye. There's no bleeding at all under the Vaseline smear.
0:06 Gibbons's corner is an experienced crew but the swelling he's suffered looks almost as bad as it did before the minute break.
0:08 Gibbons has Darcy trapped!
0:08 Mike Gibbons gets his head on the chest of Darcy as He tries to outmuscle him on the inside, scoring with a nice short hook to the head.
0:24 Gibbons darts in and out, making himself a tough target.
0:28 Eddie Inabagsky not only gave Les Darcy encouragement between rounds but also some solid advice on how to handle Gibbons. Now it's up to Darcy to implement it.
0:36 Mike Gibbons has Darcy blocked in!
0:40 Darcy is challenging Gibbons to fight him and quit clinching.
0:45 Darcy is told to quit hitting on the break by Lane.
01:02 Gibbons gets in a several shots utilizing his hand speed.
01:14 Darcy's jab connects to Gibbons's head.
01:23 Gibbons feints downstairs, then lands two quick blows to the head.
01:44 Gibbons traps Darcy in the corner!
01:44 Gibbons gets off a quick combination to the body.
01:57 Gibbons is flicking the jab, trying to keep Darcy at long range.
02:07 Some good body work by Gibbons but not much on those punches.
02:34 Gibbons can't win this fight if he just throws one punch at a time. Now he just unloaded a flurry of punches and several scored cleanly.
02:52 The fighters are back at ring center...
02:56 Gibbons is utilizing the ring to his advantage with constant movement.
03:00 Gibbons slides into the corner...
03:00 Darcy can't score with short uppercut inside. Gibbons got his gloves in front of the punch.
03:00 That's all she wrote here in Round 7.


Round 8

0:00 It's Round 8 of this scheduled 15 rounder.
0:08 Gibbons's corner didn't ignore the swelling he's suffered so far in this bout; however, even with the attention that they gave it, the puffiness doesn't look lessened much, if at all.
0:08 Les Darcy backs into a neutral corner.
0:12 Gibbons lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Darcy.
0:19 Darcy's corner men did their job with quiet efficiency and confidence.
0:24 Gibbons ties up Darcy.
0:39 Lane is shouting at Gibbons to break!
0:48 Gibbons fires and misses.
0:55 Both fighters seem to be pacing themselves. It appears as if they want to have something left when they get to the final round.
01:07 Gibbons smothers Les Darcy's attack with a clinch!
01:16 Referee Lane separates the two...
01:25 Gibbons ties up Darcy...
01:34 Lane separates the two...
01:38 Lane is encouraging Darcy and Gibbons to mix it up a little and give these fans the fight that they came here to see.
01:45 Gibbons is clinching... Les Darcy is trying to free his gloves... They are under Mike "The St. Paul Phantom" Gibbons's arms...
01:54 Lane has to break the clinch.
02:04 Gibbons brushes the ropes and quickly spins away, heading back to ring center.
02:16 Mike Gibbons grabs and holds Darcy...
02:21 Lane separates the two fighters.
02:25 Both fighters take a breather as they clinch before Lane breaks them apart.
02:33 Gibbons is holding on to Darcy. He seems to be taking a breather.
02:45 Mike Gibbons finally lets go of Darcy.
02:49 Gibbons lands a jab. He's using it as both an offensive and defensive weapon on occasions. 2:0
03:00 That's a pretty long clinch! Do these guys want to hug or fight?
03:00 The Referee breaks it up...
03:00 That was a stinker of a round. The fighters should never have left their corners if all they were going to do was run or clinch. The crowd's voicing those same sentiments in the form of boos.


Round 9

0:00 Here come the fighters to ring center...
0:08 The swelling on the face of Gibbons is almost as pronounced as it was before his corner worked on it, in spite of their efforts.
0:09 Gibbons sneaks in a quick uppercut that lands cleanly.
0:30 Gibbons fires a volley of punches but Darcy was already moving laterally and was out of harm's way.
0:47 Mike Gibbons just comes up short with the combination.
01:05 Les Darcy takes a hard combination from Gibbons.
01:05 Darcy appears to have been staggered by that punch...
01:17 Mike Gibbons seems really focused on what he's doing this round.
01:21 Gibbons lets his hands go paintbrushing the body of Darcy.
01:37 Gibbons dips as if to launch a body shot, then goes upstairs with a quick hook to the head that puts Darcy back on his heels!
01:37 Darcy seems to have been hurt by that punch!
01:55 Gibbons pins Darcy's arms. Now they move apart.
02:04 There's a clash of heads; the two men separate and it looks like Les Darcy's cut has reopened.
02:04 The gash under Darcy's right eye is bleeding again.
02:04 More than once this round, it has appeared as if the referee has thought about stepping between the fighters due to the increased bleeding from at least one cut on Darcy's face. Now the third man in the ring is doing just that, as we get a stoppage in the action while the referee leads Les Darcy toward the ringside doctor for a quick consultation. In Darcy's favor, the bleeding isn't flowing into either of his eyes.
02:04 The doctor is peering at the wound and he's shrugged his shoulders and he's shaking his head - is that a good thing or bad? Well, it's good from Darcy's perspective and the cheer that arises from the crowd tells us all we need to know: there's going to be more fisticuffs in just a moment. Obviously, the damage isn't that bad and Darcy and Gibbons await the signal from the referee to commence firing. The fight resumes here in Round 9.
02:04 There must have been an accidental head butt during that clinch that caused that cut.
02:17 Gibbons fires a wild overhand right and misses everything.
02:19 Darcy leans on Gibbons and fires a weak hook to the ribs.
02:32 Darcy slides into a neutral corner...
02:32 Gibbons throws the cross and scores to the head of Darcy.
02:45 Darcy lands the uppercut but there wasn't much on it.
03:00 Darcy retreats into the near right corner.
03:00 Gibbons lets his hands go but his punches land on the arms of Darcy.
03:00 We're at the 3:00 mark and that brings this round to an end.

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:58 PM
Round 10

0:00 Pamela Leander exits the ring to wild cheering. We await the bell, signaling the start of Round 10. There it is!
0:08 Les Darcy's corner has done a great job on the cut under the right eye. They've got the bleeding stopped, at least for now.
0:08 A minute wasn't enough to eliminate or even significantly reduce Gibbons's swelling. They'll have to keep a close watch on it and make sure Gibbons's vision doesn't become a major problem over the next few rounds.
0:13 Gibbons doesn't connect with the cross.
0:15 Darcy scores with a nice right cross.
0:29 Apparently Gibbons feels it's a good strategy to hug Darcy and force Lane to come separate them.
0:38 Lane pries them apart.
0:49 Gibbons tries to drop the right hand over the top but Darcy ducks under it.
0:56 Darcy lands a strong cross!
0:56 Mike Gibbons is going to need to regroup after that blow...
01:01 It seems every shot "The St. Paul Phantom" takes on his right makes the swelling worse.
01:10 Gibbons will tie a guy up if he has to.
01:19 Gibbons pushes Darcy away.
01:31 Gibbons works his way in and leans on "The Maitland Wonder" Darcy...
01:35 Gibbons and Darcy each take a step back.
01:48 Darcy is either lucky or has radar. Gibbons's last punch missed landing by a fraction of an inch!
01:55 The two fighters lean on one another. Their arms are free and they should be throwing punches. Now they separate and the action resumes.
02:02 Darcy tries to double up on the jab but neither hit the mark.
02:17 Gibbons clamps Darcy's arms to his side and holds on until Lane breaks the hold.
02:21 Darcy pushes Gibbons away.
02:26 Lane is talking to Mike Gibbons and seems to be telling him to quit playing around and start fighting.
02:29 Both fighters are working the angles, looking to get the upper hand in this contest.
02:36 Gibbons has his arms wrapped around Les Darcy... Now they separate.
02:45 Lane separates them.
02:50 Darcy is trapped in his own corner...
02:50 Gibbons lands a flurry to the ribs of Darcy.
03:00 Lane has to pull the fighters away from each other as Mike Gibbons locks up Darcy's arms.
03:00 Lane moves them apart.
03:00 Round 10 finishes with the sound of the bell.


Round 11

0:00 The bell starts the action as Gibbons and Darcy leave their corners.
0:07 If the swelling was lessened by Gibbons's corner, it wasn't reduced enough to make a big difference. It's going to be a factor in this fight if it continues to worsen.
0:13 Gibbons is turning this fight into a clinching and holding affair as he continues to wrap his arms around Darcy.
0:31 Gibbons uses his shoulder to force Darcy out of the clinch.
0:47 Darcy tries to muscle inside but Gibbons clinches him.
0:59 Lane moves in to break the clinch.
01:04 Darcy slides into a neutral corner...
01:08 Gibbons is moving around the ring nicely.
01:12 Gibbons and Darcy lean on one another, neither willing to do any work for the moment. The referee pushes them apart and tells them to get on with the action.
01:20 Gibbons leaves the jab just short.
01:29 Gibbons tries to double up on the hook to the body and at least one gets through.
01:53 Gibbons slips out of a corner, as Darcy attempts to trap him.
02:04 Darcy is trapped in the corner...
02:08 Gibbons misses wildly with the hook.
02:15 Gibbons scores with a hard jab to the body.
02:24 Gibbons gets a jab in but it was more of a push than a punch.
02:42 Gibbons just delivered a wake-up call!!! He really caught Darcy with a sharp combination!
02:42 Darcy's hurt, the last punch in that flurry stopped him cold!
02:52 Darcy likes to use the hook but he'd better get a little closer when he throws it or Gibbons's going to beat him to the punch and hurt him!
03:00 The bell sounds ending Round 11.


Round 12

0:00 Darcy is off his stool and waiting for the bell to begin Round 12.
0:08 The swelling on the face of Gibbons is noticeable, even at a distance. Although his corner men were applying cold compresses and trying to work the swelling away from his eyes, Gibbons still has distension.
0:08 Darcy's jab is fast and accurate.
0:17 Eddie Inabagsky was really animated in Gibbons's corner and Mike Gibbons was nodding in agreement.
0:22 Gibbons misses with that punch.
0:37 Gibbons wraps up Darcy.
0:48 Darcy tries to get free... Here comes Lane to break them up...
0:56 Darcy is pinned in his own corner...
0:56 Gibbons fires a straight right. He split the gloves with that punch.
01:18 Lane tries to separate the boxers but Gibbons has a vice-like grip on Darcy.
01:27 Les Darcy works his way free!
01:35 Gibbons has Darcy trapped in the left neutral corner...
01:39 Gibbons telegraphed that shot and Les Darcy ducks under it easily.
01:46 Darcy lands a solid uppercut!
01:46 Gibbons was shaken by that blow!
01:51 Gibbons seems bothered by the increased swelling around the right eye.
02:03 Gibbons's constant movement can be frustrating to an opponent who's not capable of cutting off the ring on him.
02:15 Gibbons back pedals away from the straight forward attack of Darcy.
02:20 Both men look to measure one another.
02:22 Gibbons pins Darcy in the corner!
02:27 Darcy just absorbed a terrifying shot to the body.
02:27 Darcy was stunned by that last flurry of punches!
02:35 Gibbons slips inside and lands a hook.
02:35 Gibbons has Les Darcy in a world of trouble. Let's see if he can finish him here in the 12th.
02:44 Darcy backs into a neutral corner.
02:53 Gibbons wings a big left hand at Darcy but the latter sidesteps the punch.
03:00 The bell sounds ending Round 12. Pamela Leander is about ready to climb through the ropes and into the ring to the whistles and cheers of the crowd.


Round 13

0:00 Darcy didn't sit in the corner between rounds and he comes out quickly to begin Round 13.
0:07 The swelling on the face of Gibbons is noticeable, even at a distance. Although his corner men were applying cold compresses and trying to work the swelling away from his eyes, Gibbons still has distension.
0:12 Darcy fires a lead right that Gibbons manages to avoid.
0:19 Darcy got quite a pep talk in his corner; we'll see if Eddie Inabagsky's instructions work.
0:24 Les Darcy wraps up Gibbons... Neither fighter will break...
0:33 Lane breaks them up...
0:40 Gibbons retreats into the left corner.
0:45 Darcy has been watching too much wrestling, the way He's grabbing Gibbons.
0:57 Lane separates the two...
01:01 Both fighters take a half-step back.
01:09 Darcy bounces off the ropes, challenging Gibbons to come get him.
01:18 Gibbons grabs Darcy again. If this were football, there'd be a penalty flag for holding.
01:27 Darcy tries to get free... Here comes Lane to break them up...
01:32 Both fighters need to close the distance between them.
01:40 Darcy grabs Gibbons's head, pulls it down, into his chest. Lane has to force Darcy to let go.
01:45 Lane separates the two...
01:54 Darcy is clinching...
01:59 Lane has to break them apart.
02:03 Gibbons backs away and hitches up his trunks.
02:10 Darcy pins Mike Gibbons's arms against his body stopping him from throwing any punches.
02:19 Now they break clean.
02:27 Quick hands and feet can take you far in this game. Of course, having a good chin helps!
02:30 Gibbons flicks three quick jabs and at least one got through.
02:46 Gibbons is blocked in his own corner...
02:51 Darcy fails to connect with that punch. He pushed it out there instead of cutting loose with it.
02:53 Gibbons misses the lead right, but follows up with a left hook that finds the mark.
03:00 Gibbons appears to have this fight under control.
03:00 What a horrible round, neither Fighter looked too interested in mixing it up.


Round 14

0:00 Darcy was a little slow getting off his stool this round.
0:06 The swelling on the face of Gibbons is almost as pronounced as it was before his corner worked on it, in spite of their efforts.
0:06 Gibbons retreats into his own corner...
0:06 Darcy shoots the right home. That's a sneaky punch.
0:15 Eddie Inabagsky knows Darcy lost that last round, but he took the postive approach between rounds.
0:21 Gibbons tries to get the hook into the the ribs, but Darcy blocks it.
0:32 OH! Darcy landed the big hook flush!
0:32 Gibbons is gasping for air!!
0:47 Gibbons tries to go to the body but he can't find an opening.
0:58 Both men look to measure one another.
01:01 There's a pause in the action as both fighters regroup.
01:08 Gibbons and Darcy clinch, throwing feeble punches as they grab a quick breather.
01:18 Gibbons has Darcy trapped in the right neutral corner...
01:22 Both fighters are holding here. It's a tangle of arms and Lane is going to have to sort this out.
01:33 Gibbons pushes Darcy away.
01:37 Mike Gibbons's corner is shouting at him to be more aggressive. He seems to hear but it remains to be seen if he'll follow the advice.
01:45 Darcy traps Gibbons's gloves under his arms. He won't let go until Lane breaks it up.
01:49 Gibbons tries to get free... Here comes Lane to break them up...
01:56 Both boxers are in the middle of the squared circle.
02:01 Gibbons isn't moving his feet right now, but his upper body movement is giving Darcy fits.
02:13 Les Darcy lands a short left hook to the head.
02:18 The swelling under Gibbons's right eye is growing to a point where the eye could end up shut if his corner can't reduce or at least control it.
02:36 Gibbons rips off two quick jabs and one finds the mark.
02:52 Gibbons retreats into the far corner.
02:56 Gibbons picks off the jab thrown by Darcy.
03:00 Round 14 of this scheduled 15 rounder ends as the bell sounds.

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 04:58 PM
Round 15

0:00 As the bell sounds for the final round, it looks as if the scorecards will determine the outcome of this fight.
0:06 A minute wasn't enough to eliminate or even significantly reduce Gibbons's swelling. They'll have to keep a close watch on it and make sure Mike Gibbons's vision doesn't become a major problem over the next few rounds.
0:11 Gibbons is probing with his jab as he tries to find an opening in Darcy's defense.
0:16 Les Darcy backs into the right corner.
0:30 Mike Gibbons is on his bicycle as he looks to stay away from Darcy.
0:39 Gibbons gives a nice head feint and then lands a hook to the head of Darcy.
0:53 Gibbons lands a stinging jab.
01:07 Darcy is trying to avoid shots to the body. He'd better look out for shots to the head!
01:19 Gibbons digs two shots to the body and then rips Darcy with a short uppercut on the inside.
01:33 Darcy eats a short cross from Gibbons amd backs away.
01:38 Darcy is starting to fatigue...
01:46 Darcy throws the hook and connects.
02:03 Gibbons whiffs with the jab.
02:13 Mike Gibbons scores with a quick hook to the head of Darcy after Darcy missed with a wild shot of his own.
02:23 Both fighters are throwing but it looks like Mike Gibbons is scoring more than Darcy.
02:37 Darcy lands a devastating cross!
02:37 That blast sent Gibbons reeling into the ropes!
02:49 The cross scores for Gibbons. He needs to throw that punch more often.
03:00 Mike Gibbons seems to have done enough to win this fight.
03:00 Call it a night, sports fans, because this fight is over! Let's see who gets the nod from the judges.



Fight Result

Chuck Hull has the call...
Ladies and Gentlmen, the scorecards are in, and here is your official decision...

Robert Grasso, United States scores the bout 144 to 141
Jim LeBel, United States scores the bout 144 to 142
Emma DeUrrunaga, Paraguay scores the bout 144 to 141

And your winner by unanimous decision Mike Gibbons!!!


Punches Thrown: Gibbons 1,038; Darcy 549
Punches Landed: Gibbons 371, Darcy 222
Punching Accuracy: Gibbons 35.7%; Darcy 40.4%

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 05:03 PM
<<<<< Waits patiently for a demand for rematch :chuckle9:

Poet

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 05:16 PM
Round 15

0:00 As the bell sounds for the final round, it looks as if the scorecards will determine the outcome of this fight.
0:06 A minute wasn't enough to eliminate or even significantly reduce Gibbons's swelling. They'll have to keep a close watch on it and make sure Mike Gibbons's vision doesn't become a major problem over the next few rounds.
0:11 Gibbons is probing with his jab as he tries to find an opening in Darcy's defense.
0:16 Les Darcy backs into the right corner.
0:30 Mike Gibbons is on his bicycle as he looks to stay away from Darcy.
0:39 Gibbons gives a nice head feint and then lands a hook to the head of Darcy.
0:53 Gibbons lands a stinging jab.
01:07 Darcy is trying to avoid shots to the body. He'd better look out for shots to the head!
01:19 Gibbons digs two shots to the body and then rips Darcy with a short uppercut on the inside.
01:33 Darcy eats a short cross from Gibbons amd backs away.
01:38 Darcy is starting to fatigue...
01:46 Darcy throws the hook and connects.
02:03 Gibbons whiffs with the jab.
02:13 Mike Gibbons scores with a quick hook to the head of Darcy after Darcy missed with a wild shot of his own.
02:23 Both fighters are throwing but it looks like Mike Gibbons is scoring more than Darcy.
02:37 Darcy lands a devastating cross!
02:37 That blast sent Gibbons reeling into the ropes!
02:49 The cross scores for Gibbons. He needs to throw that punch more often.
03:00 Mike Gibbons seems to have done enough to win this fight.
03:00 Call it a night, sports fans, because this fight is over! Let's see who gets the nod from the judges.



Fight Result

Chuck Hull has the call...
Ladies and Gentlmen, the scorecards are in, and here is your official decision...

Robert Grasso, United States scores the bout 144 to 141
Jim LeBel, United States scores the bout 144 to 142
Emma DeUrrunaga, Paraguay scores the bout 144 to 141

And your winner by unanimous decision Mike Gibbons!!!


Punches Thrown: Gibbons 1,038; Darcy 549
Punches Landed: Gibbons 371, Darcy 222
Punching Accuracy: Gibbons 35.7%; Darcy 40.4%
Haw haw those guys keep getting it wrong,.... Gibbons has nowhere near enough power to seriously hurt Darcy....... The stats have him as weak when he was iron ????????????...... ------------LOL result..... Darcy's hands must have been broken from a fight held just hours before.............. They must think Darcy was rubbish those guys.

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 05:26 PM
<<<<< Waits patiently for a demand for rematch :chuckle9:

Poet
If they have gibbons as a destructive puncher and Darcy with a suspect chin,.... The result of a re-match.... So I've got serious doubts that Darcy is rated with all the qualities that he actually had. Maybe run it automatically over 100 bouts (all 15 rds).... If Darcy doesn't come out at about 65% I'd be a but disappointed with the game. When I saw Darcy fight, it was Les getting Clinched and when they go into the clinch they are just moments away from unconciousness, as Les was the best in that situation I've ever seen... no really. At least it was only a decision and darcy is disadvantaged by the lowly distance of 15 rds.... Can you rig some 20 rounders ??????........ We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 06:11 PM
Here is a small article proving why they should fight...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BbYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RUkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2740,2914314&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

It also states that Mike beat KO brown easily who almost held Darcy...

And lastly Gibbons was acknowledged as the middle weight champ of Australia after he beat Jeff Smith who had by that time beat Darcy and was acknowledged as the middle weight champ of Australia. Darcy lost on a foul though. Since Gibbons beat Smith handily and outclassed McCoy a pretender anyways, and also beat Clabby who had beaten McCoy too..he was accepted as the middle weight champ of the world (America and Australia)....

Note : Much of this has to do with the fact that Smith after losing on a foul claimed the title still...

I hope now you atleast believe Mike's claim was not so absurd, he did as the article said beat everybody who was put up before him..

Obviously Smith was suffering head trauma for him to claim the title still, I'd let him have a WBF or WBO title.... I'd let Gibbons have the IBF belt..... but Darcy is where the big money fights are... he's the WBA, WBC and holds another three more minor belts at MW but I've forgot to mention that he'd be the undisputed LHW champion............. so yes in my estimation from the last couple of days research.... I rate Darcy #1 MW at the time with Gibbons next in line,.... remember there was the equally viable Australian title..... it seems to me now that Mike is now ahead of Klaus,.... it seems that Frank Klaus's best days were before 1916........ But you know what,.... Gibbons could have needed the Darcy fight for his ATG longevity more than Les needed him.......... You need to do a book on Mike because Darcy is more famous,.... Darcy is still a household name.. he has many books and thousand's of sporting articles written about him,.... they were still talking about Darcy as ATG right through the decades....... Yes I'd say that Mike is far less famous... there have been at least three movies made about Darcy, one he starred in himself............. I agree to disagree, it doesn't matter anyway as Darcy will NEVER BE FORGOTTEN he has reached ICON Status...... And NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE THAT... LONG LIVE LES DARCY... A.T.G. :boxing::boxing::boxing:

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 06:15 PM
"That boy's the best fighter I ever fought. He's the greatest fighter in the world. He's hard to hit and harder still to hurt. I don't think there's anyone in the world could beat him."
Eddie McGoorty

"Les Darcy is the best man in the world. I bar no one, not even Jess Willard (world heavyweight champion). The man who can take Eddie McGoory's left swing on the jaw without flinching would not be hurt by anyone."
Fritz Holland

I understand unlike KO brown some rated him high too..and he deserved it
He certainly did OLLIE !!!!!!

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 06:16 PM
<<<<< Waits patiently for a demand for rematch :chuckle9:

Poet
Can you run them over again automatically..... this time best of a 1,000,000,

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 06:41 PM
The thing is here is that many said that Les was far too trusting and who isn't a bit thick at age 21 ???.... I was bloody thick !!!........ I always saw his best bet was to go to America in 1915 with Jack Kearns,... yes Kearns was a crook but all those guys, Hugh, Snowy, Rickard, Curley etc..... were as bent as can be.... these were the Don Kings of their day. -------------- anyway, it should have gone like this..... first get the unification fight with McCoy..... there's a quick KO there, no injuries, hardly a sweat raised and he's capable of fighting Gibbons in about 10 days..... how does that sound ??. Now Gibbons has a chance to fight Darcy, winner takes the title,,, and at least, every MW knows who he needs to beat to become champ. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #2. 2nd fight in U.S. is or should be Gibbons, he's just a judges decision away from being MW champ in actuality... he can't KO Darcy no matter how many times they fight..... I think Darcy is too good though, I do think that Gibbons will be knocked down, but I think his chin and recovery powers to be top-drawer and I think he goes the distance, but 10-8 rounds are hard to beat for piling up a lead... Darcy W UD 20... at least that's what I think (and you and I are obviously the only two here with an opinion on this entire subject). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Then I'd like to see Darcy fight Carpentier,..... it seems that in Darcy's mindset, that the French war hero had the best rep at that time,.... It was supposed to be for the World LHW Title....... the fight fell through, but of course it can't be Darcy's fault. More like there was a war on and Carpentier was too important at the time,..... but Darcy's smear campaign is incredibly vicious, volatile and the newspaper reports were just part of a well organised smear campaign ran by the Australian Government, Millions of people have shared my view on this....... the poor kid is right, the whole anti-Darcy thing is a stain on boxing that will never be fully rectified, it haunts me to this day....... after all Phar Lap was still just a horse but Darcy was one of us....... he was very human after all.

McGoorty
09-17-2011, 06:59 PM
And after those three have been dispatched I can see Darcy continuing his 25 win unbeaten streak, with wins over Dillon, Miske, Levinski (an easy walk over for Darcy), Tommy Gibbons, THEN HE SHUTS JEFF SMITH UP FOR GOOD BY KOing Jeff AND BREAKING HIS JAW IN THE 1st Round (Darcy would have good reason to Maim HIM),.... and CHIP just to put that beyond any doubt by doing him, this time only needing 3 rounds. ------------------------ then lets see, why not give Gunboat Smith a boxing lesson,.... Then Win, Lose or Draw,, he comes out a legend by having a go at the bigger name HW's..... starting with Fulton, who would probably emigrate to avoid another drubbing..... And then he can win green pride for the Irish race by taking Willards title,..... don't laugh people,... a foot taller but I don't think there was more than an inch or two in reach..... a HW title was what Darcy wanted above all others... Darcy was of the private opinion that he was well able to handle the far slower HW champ. --------------------- after that, it wouldn't matter if Dempsey comes along to take the HW title from Darcy.......... By then he'd have become maybe the most legendary fighter to have ever lived..... it would be a resume equal to anybodies..... Nobody would begrudge Darcy losing the odd bout after that...... I do think his potential is truly a once in a century fighter.... we'll never know the answer........ the possibilities for Darcy were almost infinite... hence the mighty battles to get him tied down by contract... as far as I know he only ever signed contracts for no more than 2 fights at a time, I don't think he ever truly had a manager......... who in that circle would you guys trust.... answer, ?? NOBODY..... They were sharks.,,

Ziggy Stardust
09-17-2011, 08:56 PM
If they have gibbons as a destructive puncher and Darcy with a suspect chin,.... The result of a re-match.... So I've got serious doubts that Darcy is rated with all the qualities that he actually had. Maybe run it automatically over 100 bouts (all 15 rds).... If Darcy doesn't come out at about 65% I'd be a but disappointed with the game. When I saw Darcy fight, it was Les getting Clinched and when they go into the clinch they are just moments away from unconciousness, as Les was the best in that situation I've ever seen... no really. At least it was only a decision and darcy is disadvantaged by the lowly distance of 15 rds.... Can you rig some 20 rounders ??????........ We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???

Gibbons has the lowest level of punching power it's possible to rate at: 1.....1 is lowest, 14 is highest.

Poet

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 05:53 AM
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1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)

read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fKg_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=31UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6228,1070755&dq=mike+gibbons+ahearns&hl=en

Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"

ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.

2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.

3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one

GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.

NY TIMES.

What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.

Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GJRRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MGgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1901,1789746&dq=ko+brown+darcy&hl=en

4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.

5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...

I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=av0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=onUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5594,6047506&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This is in 1916.

The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...

Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please :boxing:)...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uP0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q3UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6587,2609701&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=HNS19170303.2.38

This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...

WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army

MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press


anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.


My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.

But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.

"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "

Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?

Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.

And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zDNeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZWANAAAAIBAJ&pg=6617,2952235&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BTJNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pkcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4400,737399&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence:boxing:

" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"

Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds*

* relax I am guessing as surely you are though...ha ha

I leave you with an interesting article and in one which Gibbons style is discussed...Darcy's scrap with Dillon too...and there is an open challenge by Mike to any body...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BudcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bVkNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3876,2099057&dq=mike+gibbons+al+mccoy&hl=en

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 12:27 PM
1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)

read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fKg_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=31UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6228,1070755&dq=mike+gibbons+ahearns&hl=en

Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"

ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.

2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.

3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one

GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.

NY TIMES.

What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.

Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GJRRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MGgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1901,1789746&dq=ko+brown+darcy&hl=en

4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.

5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...

I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=av0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=onUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5594,6047506&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This is in 1916.

The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...

Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please :boxing:)...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uP0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q3UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6587,2609701&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=HNS19170303.2.38

This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...

WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army

MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press


anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.


My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.

But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.

"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "

Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?

Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.

And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zDNeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZWANAAAAIBAJ&pg=6617,2952235&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BTJNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pkcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4400,737399&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence:boxing:

" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"

Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds

Just to illustrate that why I think the Gibbons fight did not come up due to internal Darcy squabbles than American interference---

Associated Press
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy to-day began to be about as unpopular with the sport-loving public in New York as it is possible for a man who has been placed upon a pedestal. Following the announcement that he did not intend to live up to a contract signed for him by Tim O'Sullivan, his manager, calling for bouts in Milwaukee with Jeff Smith of Jercey City and Mike Gibbons, Darcy stated that O'Sullivan had been dismissed as his manager last Tuesday.
He, apparently, forgot that on his trip to New York Bay from the Standard Oil tank ship Cushing he had told several persons aboard a tug, including Tex Rickard, Tom O'Rourke and Charles Harvey, that O'Sullivan and no one else would act in this country as his manager.
To-day Darcy declared that O'Sullivan never had been his manager, but had been employed as agent, and never had been authorized to make matches.


International News
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy's denial that he authorized the signing of articles to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee April 10 left promoters in a quandary here today. Darcy flatly refused to talk with Gibbons last Tuesday, and the action of E. T. O'Sullivan in signing for the Gibbons bout, caused the Maitland wonder to rise in wrath. Darcy said today he has dismissed O'Sullivan as his manager. O'Sullivan denied Darcy's right to do so. Each side has retained counsel to settle the difficulty.


NY Tribune, Feb. 16
Les Darcy, the Australian 'cross-country and transoceanic runner, has severed connections with Tim O'Sullivan, the man who smuggled him out of Australia and kept him out of the trenches. He will probably be with the Curley-Jones-Willard syndicate boxing safeties before the month is over.
The following letter from Darcy was received last night:
To the Sporting Editor.
Dear Sir: My attention has been called to an article in the sporting columns of this morning's papers announcing that E. T. O'Sullivan has signed a contract for me to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee on April 10.
I beg to notify you that I have made no contract whatever to box Mike Gibbons on April 10 or at any other time. Neither have I authorized E. T. O'Sullivan or any one else to do so in my behalf.
No one has authority to sign articles for me without my approval.
Mr. E. T. O'Sullivan is no longer in my employ, either as trainer or otherwise, having been dismissed Tuesday, February 13, 1917. Yours truly,
LES DARCY.


NY Tribune, Feb. 17
Les us consider the case of James Lester Darcy, the champion of Australia, who arrived here some three months ago. He announced immediately upon landing that he would engage in about three bouts with the best men in his class, ship the profits back to his indigent family and sail for London to enlist for overseas service and fight "for the empire."
After doing a turn on the burlesque circuit Darcy decided that he would box Al McCoy, popularly known as the cheese champion, for the modest sum of $30,000. After that he would look about him for other set-ups and other theatrical engagements. As soon as Darcy's manager, E. T. O'Sullivan, signed him up with Mike Gibbons, whom Darcy regards as dangerous, the Australian hero immediately severed connections with his manager......


Now now read this reports from earlier :-

1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S1)
By W. O. M'GEEHAN
Darcy arrived on the Standard Oil tanker Cushing, after an adventurous journey from Australia, which consumed over two months. His trainer and acting manager, J. G. O'Sullivan, accompanied him. On the Cushing, Darcy was travelling under the name of Dawson, having shipped as a fireman.

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 12:33 PM
1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S3)
(continued)
"Yes, I know Kearns," said Darcy. "He sent me a blank contract to Australia, but I never signed with him. I am not tied up with anybody on this trip. Mr. O'Sullivan is my manager and we will take care of ourselves. A lot of people tried to get me to sign contracts before I left Australia."


1916-12-28 New York Evening Telegram (page 10)
By P. T. KNOX.
While discussing Darcy's prospects in this country, E. J. O'Sullivan, who Darcy declares, is his manager, warmed up to the subject like a regular manager, and, among other things, .....

1916-12-30 New York Evening Telegram (page 8 )
Darcy Picks Winner in Managerial Sweepstakes
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"Tim" O'Sullivan the Choice, with O'Rourke, Harvey and Others Also Rans in Big Field--Several Local Clubs to Hold Bouts To-Night.
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By HYATT DAAB.
Les Darcy will not have an American manager. "Tom" O'Rourke, "Charley" Harvey and the others who entered the managerial sweepstakes have faded gradually out of the picture and E. J. "Tim" O'Sullivan, Darcy's companion on the journey from Australia, alone remains.
Darcy has decided definitely to let O'Sullivan handle his affairs while in this country. "Tex" Rickard, however, will act as his chief adviser. The Australian will enter into no contracts without first consuilting the promoter.
"I have decided that 'Tim' O'Sullivan is to be my only manager in this country," remarked the young Australian. "We are old friends and get on very well together. He knows the boxing game thoroughly and is in every way competent to look after my business."
Darcy's declaration will put an end to all speculation as to whether he would employ an American to manage him. And Darcy's decision undoubtedly will find favor with a majority of the boxing enthusiasts. With O'Sullivan to handle the details of his business affairs and Rickard to direct him through the mazed of the more important propositions, it is safe to say Darcy's campaign in the ring will bring him big profits if he be successful. In electing to follow the advice of "Tex" Rickard Darcy has made a most popular decision.


................................................

It seems to me that Darcy brought on a lot of his troubles to himself....there are ample newspaper evidence

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 01:16 PM
"Mike Gibbons"

In his time Mike was ranked quite high...higher by people who saw him fight...more than Darcy...

Charley Rose ranked Gibbons as the #4 All-Time Middleweight; Nat Fleischer ranked him as the #9 All-Time Middleweight;

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=o2dgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CnINAAAAIBAJ&pg=4171,3168202&dq=harry+greb+mike+gibbons&hl=en

In the above link Lougharn says he rates Jack Dempsey as the greatest fighter in his life time and Mike gibbons as the greatest boxer of all time....

My own ambition in the ring had always been skillful boxing, speed and defense - on the order of Mike Gibbons.
Gene Tunney

George Barton, veteran manager, referee and newspaperman said,"No question about it, Mike Gibbons was just the greatest boxer who ever lived. He might have been a great wrestler, or great in any sport, but boxing was his game. I never expect to see another as good. One had to see Mike in action to fully appreciate his kills and understand why he was called The Phantom. He was the personification of perfection in boxing and punching technique, graceful motion and ring generalship."

Johnny Ertle, former claimant to the world bantamweight crown commented, "What I learned about boxing I learned mostly from Mike. We worked in the same gym for years. No, none will ever match Gibbons as a boxer."

Further quoting Gene Tunney," I learned more about boxing by watching Mike Gibbons in the gym than from any other source."


You see, Gibbons was rated extremely highly by those who knew him then...as those people died so did Gibbons reputation.

Mike was a pioneer....

read this quote by him :-

“First of all we keep books. By ‘we,’ I mean my brother Tom and I. It was Tom’s idea to keep a book on fighters. I used to have a lot of loose notes that I would consult but it got to be a cumbersome task, so Tom started a big account book and in it we have a careful resume of every fighter in the business either of us is apt to be called upon to fight as well as those we have already fought and are liable to be called upon to meet again.”

“Every bit of strength that a fighter is known to have is jotted down in this book along with his weakness, his temperamental aspects, his habits and how they are liable to affect his ring work, etc.”

“The tough fellow, the slugger who is willing to tear at you and take a chance, must be made to back up,” wrote Mike Gibbons.

“The clever fellow who is anxious to stand off at long range and exchange his ‘Long Toms’ with you, must be made to come into you.

“That’s all there is to the Mike Gibbons system to beating them all. It needs little further explanation. The really great boxer is the fellow who can make his opponent do exactly what he should not do.”

Interesting huh? And might I add way put of his times...also throws a bit of dust on those people who claim that opponent analysis is a recent phenomena.

While McGoorty you praise Darcy's chin 9rightly so) remember Mike Gibbons was never stopped in a career that spanned over 100 fights.

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 03:01 PM
1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent) Don't get me wrong mate, I don't think that there's many pro boxers who have no punch at all. Let's take Willie Pep, he is not regarded in lists of hard punchers, but Willie knocked guys out too, but he isn't in Azumah's class as a hitter, and Azumah didn't hit as hard as Saddler, but there are some who hit bigger. Darcy was a bigger hitter and had the marginally better chin, no knockdowns. Mike Gibbons has a KO % of around mid-20's



2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too. Sorry to disappoint you there but I've seen all 9 rounds of Darcy against Chip, Les wins every round by fairly wide margins, I can tell you that Chip had no regard for rules whatsoever, I'd say he throws at least a dozen backhanders in the fight, Chips head is being snapped whenever Darcy wants to hit him with a power shot. George eats so many body shots and blows to the chin, Darcy uppercuts him up to 8 punches coming out of clinches. If you want the fight is on my youtube channel, I had to upload it so anyone in the world can see a full fight from 1916, maybe the only film left of a full fight from that year, maybe. The fight should be on my Les Darcy Book thread. download it from youtube if you like, you will see how strong he really is. also there is a great highlight video on Barnburners YT channel.



What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA. I don't think those fights were very close at all,.. and anyway there were real decisions over here, ref's had more power, but of course newspapers here still had their own versions. But Brown and Clabby really had no answer to Darcy's ability, to see any flaws in Darcy you have to go to his early career, He won those four fights by good margins..... Anyway, from some of the stuff I read from the U.S. papers during the smear campaign a lot of those writers were TOOLS to put it mildly.... as I said before, they were paid good money to smear Darcy's name.... It seems to me that the U.S. was pretty hostile territory for fighters from outside.. For example, when Darcy arrived in NY, he was feted as an Australian conqueror, but when the "slacker smear campaign" hit, Darcy is now described by some papers as simply a foreigner as if he was Chinese or something.





5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon... Some very bad advice, this Tim O' Sullivan character needs to be looked at, he was a fink by the looks of him. He led Darcy astray, it was Tim who put a wall between Darcy and Rickard.... In my opinion Rickard led Les astray, by promising Darcy huge fights. The catch with Rickard though is that he wants to be the big cheese, and because of his ties with Madison Square Garden, once Darcy was prohibited to fight in NY, Rickard cut him loose,..Darcy should have gone with the smartest crook in Kearns. Darcy is not the one stuffing things up.





Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please :boxing:)... Well I haven't read it yet, so I'll thank you now if that's allright, Darcy had done stuff like Vaudeville, but Vaudeville sparring, and starred in a feature film about his own life back in Australia... decades before Ali starred in his own movie....... But just look at the likes of Dempsey, Johnson, Ray Robinson, Jeffries, Sullivan... in fact it was a long standing fighter tradition. It was Rickards idea that one as far as I know, Tex wants the fights he wants, and to get Darcy some quick handy cash, and promising Les that he'd make more money on a tour than fighting. -------------------- Having said that, I believe that guy's like Dempsey and John L. were destroyed by showbusiness, it's the BIG reason they became inactive........ and one more thing, if some slick talking yank boxing promoter tells Darcy that this Len Rowlands is a real prodigy, it seems thats why later he was so derogatory about Dillon's ability was that, Dillon was ****y, annoyed Les, and then when Les see's Dillon sparring he is shocked that this guy is actually no better than some of Les's opponents. No doubt, when Darcy finally sets eyes on Rowlands, Les got extremely Pis*ed off........... Darcy always got annoyed when he found out that they'd told him that some guy is good..... Darcy never wasted his time with bums.... and he knocked them all out early in the fights......... and I can prove it.



This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled I think you know that Darcy was walking around as a full-blown LHW...... he needed to fight on a regular basis.... I think weight cutting problems would have made Dillon a better option.... But lets end this one issue about who did what here, you know and I know that it doesn't matter, Darcy fights Dillon and beats him,..... we both know that a Darcy vs Gibbons fight was just a matter of time....... these guy's ARE NOT, FLOYDY BOY MAYWEATHER now are they ???....... this fight would have happened in 1917 or early 1918... do you agree ????




This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight... the smear campaign. the smear campaign, THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN, the smear campa..zzzz

WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army FACT ! Sergeant LES DARCY, U.S. ARMY ! Darcy did join.... so FOUK this cu*t Governor Whitman of N.Y a scumbag. All Australia has always hated his name May wrath be upon him.









Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that? I have heard Tunney say great things about Mike, and I believe that he probably did. BUT, Tunney publicly told NILAND in the fifties, that Darcy WAS THE BEST MW OF HIS TIME...... check out journalist and biographer D'Arcy Niland for that interview with Gene.

And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds. When did Darcy ever fight in 10 round fights, Maybe Gibbons was a little scared of going the PROPER 20 round distance...... if I had my way all modern top-level bouts would still be 20 rounds. Distances are in reality, different CLASSES of fights,



See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown. Triangle theory... how many times have I staed that Clabby said Darcy was a level above.... oh man. I think you will be recieving Hundreds of links to Darcy's fights.. I fear you have been reading a lot of Darcy HATERS.



If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence:boxing: I doubt all that VERY much, You are talking about ****ty TEN round fights there in most cases, in my opinion 10 round bouts are crappy comparisons to Darcy's 20 round fights.... I'm pretty sure that darcy blew Jeff Smiths Fu**ing head off in the second fight,.... he didn't pitty pat around and went the distance with Smith, Smith is a lying F****ng C**T.



Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds .....Oh so he fights like a gutless modern fighter by getting on his bike ???.... I thought we were talking about a real fighter ???... So what you are saying, Mike scores a very narrow points decision (but I thought all 10 rounders are ND contests)... that's if there are judges, sounds like a sick ND contest which means it can never be an official decision we end up back at square one,... Then when Darcy gets him in a 20 round, by a TKO probably... gee a cranky darcy would be awesome....

Cheers mate, but this is the last time I'll respond to any claims that Darcy ducked anybody.... :lurk:......:rofl:

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 03:09 PM
1) Gibbons is underrated as a puncher. He was more of a slick boxer who really tried to outpoint his opponent, but when he hit he did it well...considering he knocked out Ahearns with one punch, (who by the way Darcy was considering as an opponent)

read this http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=fKg_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=31UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6228,1070755&dq=mike+gibbons+ahearns&hl=en

Its headlined "Gibbons lands haymaker in 1st round"

ALL OVER FOR AHEARN IN JUST 40 SECONDS
Gibbons' Hard Drive to Jaw Ends St Paul Battle. Crowd Jams About Building and Thousands Are Turned Away.
Boston Daily Globe (1872-1922) - Boston, Mass.

2) I doubt you saw the full film of KO brown and Darcy...seeing a segment and judging is difficult...I can show segments of Ali-Frazier 1 and lead people to believe Ali won too.

3)Well for you here is another on the Soldier Bartfield one

GIBBONS HAS HARD BOUT.; Soldier Bartfield Makes Westerner Hustle to Win.

NY TIMES.

What boxwreck says matters least...as I said in a close fight you can always find one newspaper atleast for each fighter...as I said previosuly Darcy would have had a few newspaper losses against KO brown and Clabby in USA.

Again Bartfield was not that bad. He was solid contender..here is one article declaring his and Les's victory...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GJRRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MGgDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1901,1789746&dq=ko+brown+darcy&hl=en

4) I dont want that to look as an excuse but Gibbons claimed that he had to cut too much weight for McFarland and hence it hurt him too.Besides the results are still disputed...I will go with the ref here who saw it most close and atleast can be said was there , unlike legions of newspaper who might have heard off it.

5) Lastly true Darcy was suspended...but he could have fought before that but choose to indulge in other activities no doubt for money as it was reported in newspaper of the time ( an dI believe ) he was far from wealthy.
Now the chance to make aquick buck tempted him...He however rejected good offers to fight Gibbons and Dillons waiting for Carpeintier...do you know who he was scheduled to fight Len Rowlands of all people...tell me how is this....Fat is Darcy wanted money and waited too long no doubt probably egged on by his backers...who handled him miserably , while the American public started believing he was ducking Gibbons or Dillon...

I dont blame Darcy but I dont blame the Americans too for thinking he was ducking...since he was turning down insane offers...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=av0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=onUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5594,6047506&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This is in 1916.

The above states Darcy is about to enter Vaudeville...

Where as, this aritcle states Darcy listened to bad advice (This is an excellent objective article , you will love this McGoorty and thank me too please :boxing:)...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=uP0gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=q3UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6587,2609701&dq=les+darcy+gibbons&hl=en

This also states that the Governor cancelled the Dillon bout I Proved your point)...no doubt by then Darcy recognized he had to fight Dillon...and it was Darcy who declined Mike not Whitman...the fight was scheduled


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=HNS19170303.2.38

This was in March 1917...and Darcy could have got away with it had he been not in the Vaudeville...but he spent some time there and the politicians woke up. And Darcy had dilli dallied and delayed the fight with Mike till then. These things appeared before Dillon fight...

WHITMAN MAY HALT BOUT
He Starts Inquiry To Find Out If Darcy Refused To Join Army

MIKE GIBBONS ALL THROUGH CHASING DARCY
St. Paul Boxer Leaves for Home Disgusted With Way Australian Sidesteps Matches.--Detroit Free Press


anyways it was more of teh fault of the people negotiating for him...I dont blame a 21 year old kid for being thick...and lastly you will be pleased to find that some Americans considered the banning of Darcy to be unfair...He was later scheduled to fight anyway.


My point is he had a chance to fight Mike before ...we never know if Whitman would have woke up by then...This vaudeville and others tarnished his reputation in the USA and gave some people the required AMMO.

But we all know it did not happen and later on when they got around it he got suspended.

"Footage of Darcy also shows a plethora of great skills, his footwork was very good and from what Gibbons opponents McGoorty, Clabby and Chip said... i.e. that Les Darcy was "

Well for the above, I saw both of them, and I rate Gibbons better on skill...Gene Tunney modelled himself on Mike Gibbons do you know that?

Lastly while many praised Darcy, some like KO brown, Smith et all said Gibbons was better...most ring people of that time thought Gibbons had the edge over Darcy including some common opponents and vice versa.

And besides Darcy himself felt that Gibbons was a great fighter and would probably have the edge in 10 rounds, hence wanted it to be for 20 rounds.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zDNeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ZWANAAAAIBAJ&pg=6617,2952235&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

See this too, in which it is said that Clabby was handled better by Gibbons than by Darcy...I already proved the same with Smith and KO Brown.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BTJNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pkcDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4400,737399&dq=mike+gibbons+darcy&hl=en

If you go through their lists you will find that Gibbons actually did better than darcy against common oppoenents...I think I showed you plenty of evidence:boxing:

" We all know ("not me 1942the greatest lol"),... that Les would'a got him in the 16th,... don't we Poet ???"

Since the fight was actually scheduled for 10 rounds...I do thing Les will find himself handily outpointed even with a standard 15 rounder I doubt it will be different. Darcy may have a chance in 20 rounds*

* relax I am guessing as surely you are though...ha ha

I leave you with an interesting article and in one which Gibbons style is discussed...Darcy's scrap with Dillon too...and there is an open challenge by Mike to any body...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BudcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bVkNAAAAIBAJ&pg=3876,2099057&dq=mike+gibbons+al+mccoy&hl=en
Here are links to the Chip fight... see if you can score even ONE Round for Chip... sorry about the order of them,... Part 1 is the beginning of the fight,... there are only a few seconds cut out.... http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497729&page=3.. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497729&page=4

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 03:26 PM
1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S3)
(continued)
"Yes, I know Kearns," said Darcy. "He sent me a blank contract to Australia, but I never signed with him. I am not tied up with anybody on this trip. Mr. O'Sullivan is my manager and we will take care of ourselves. A lot of people tried to get me to sign contracts before I left Australia."


1916-12-28 New York Evening Telegram (page 10)
By P. T. KNOX.
While discussing Darcy's prospects in this country, E. J. O'Sullivan, who Darcy declares, is his manager, warmed up to the subject like a regular manager, and, among other things, .....

1916-12-30 New York Evening Telegram (page 8 )
Darcy Picks Winner in Managerial Sweepstakes
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"Tim" O'Sullivan the Choice, with O'Rourke, Harvey and Others Also Rans in Big Field--Several Local Clubs to Hold Bouts To-Night.
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By HYATT DAAB.
Les Darcy will not have an American manager. "Tom" O'Rourke, "Charley" Harvey and the others who entered the managerial sweepstakes have faded gradually out of the picture and E. J. "Tim" O'Sullivan, Darcy's companion on the journey from Australia, alone remains.
Darcy has decided definitely to let O'Sullivan handle his affairs while in this country. "Tex" Rickard, however, will act as his chief adviser. The Australian will enter into no contracts without first consuilting the promoter.
"I have decided that 'Tim' O'Sullivan is to be my only manager in this country," remarked the young Australian. "We are old friends and get on very well together. He knows the boxing game thoroughly and is in every way competent to look after my business."
Darcy's declaration will put an end to all speculation as to whether he would employ an American to manage him. And Darcy's decision undoubtedly will find favor with a majority of the boxing enthusiasts. With O'Sullivan to handle the details of his business affairs and Rickard to direct him through the mazed of the more important propositions, it is safe to say Darcy's campaign in the ring will bring him big profits if he be successful. In electing to follow the advice of "Tex" Rickard Darcy has made a most popular decision.


................................................

It seems to me that Darcy brought on a lot of his troubles to himself....there are ample newspaper evidence
So what,,... like I've said many times, Les was too trusting of many, he trusted O'Sullivan until he found out that O' Sullivan was doing things without approval.... By the way his name ain't Lester...... James Leslie Darcy is the man we're talking about. ------------------------------ In the end Darcy was disillusioned with the SHADY O'Sullivan....... DARCY DID NOT DODGE GIBBONS....... the more time that passed, darcy was losing his edge... DOES'NT HE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROPER MATCHMAKING ??????....... Gibbons is coming across as a bitter SOOK here.

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 03:55 PM
"Mike Gibbons"

In his time Mike was ranked quite high...higher by people who saw him fight...more than Darcy...

Charley Rose ranked Gibbons as the #4 All-Time Middleweight; Nat Fleischer ranked him as the #9 All-Time Middleweight;

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=o2dgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CnINAAAAIBAJ&pg=4171,3168202&dq=harry+greb+mike+gibbons&hl=en

In the above link Lougharn says he rates Jack Dempsey as the greatest fighter in his life time and Mike gibbons as the greatest boxer of all time....

My own ambition in the ring had always been skillful boxing, speed and defense - on the order of Mike Gibbons.
Gene Tunney

George Barton, veteran manager, referee and newspaperman said,"No question about it, Mike Gibbons was just the greatest boxer who ever lived. He might have been a great wrestler, or great in any sport, but boxing was his game. I never expect to see another as good. One had to see Mike in action to fully appreciate his kills and understand why he was called The Phantom. He was the personification of perfection in boxing and punching technique, graceful motion and ring generalship."

Johnny Ertle, former claimant to the world bantamweight crown commented, "What I learned about boxing I learned mostly from Mike. We worked in the same gym for years. No, none will ever match Gibbons as a boxer."

Further quoting Gene Tunney," I learned more about boxing by watching Mike Gibbons in the gym than from any other source."


You see, Gibbons was rated extremely highly by those who knew him then...as those people died so did Gibbons reputation.

Mike was a pioneer....

read this quote by him :-

“First of all we keep books. By ‘we,’ I mean my brother Tom and I. It was Tom’s idea to keep a book on fighters. I used to have a lot of loose notes that I would consult but it got to be a cumbersome task, so Tom started a big account book and in it we have a careful resume of every fighter in the business either of us is apt to be called upon to fight as well as those we have already fought and are liable to be called upon to meet again.”

“Every bit of strength that a fighter is known to have is jotted down in this book along with his weakness, his temperamental aspects, his habits and how they are liable to affect his ring work, etc.”

“The tough fellow, the slugger who is willing to tear at you and take a chance, must be made to back up,” wrote Mike Gibbons.

“The clever fellow who is anxious to stand off at long range and exchange his ‘Long Toms’ with you, must be made to come into you.

“That’s all there is to the Mike Gibbons system to beating them all. It needs little further explanation. The really great boxer is the fellow who can make his opponent do exactly what he should not do.”

Interesting huh? And might I add way put of his times...also throws a bit of dust on those people who claim that opponent analysis is a recent phenomena.

While McGoorty you praise Darcy's chin 9rightly so) remember Mike Gibbons was never stopped in a career that spanned over 100 fights.
I think that's better, no comparing to Darcy and it was interesting. And I think Mikes chin top-drawer same as Les, although Darcy Never even got knocked down in his career and Mike wasn't as big a puncher, I think he knocked guys out with skill more than brute force. I'ts nice to be able to form some picture of his style..... but you know that it's not always the more skillful boxer that wins... Mike never got KO'd..... but he never ever met a Darcy.

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 04:24 PM
"Oh so he fights like a gutless modern fighter by getting on his bike ???.... I thought we were talking about a real fighter ???"

Most guys avoided Mike, I dont think you should call a guy who fought mcGoorty and Dillon while giving 10 pounds gut less...

I have given the quotes tunney said about Gibbons...Gibbons was rated as the best by most who saw him...I have given that too...he was ranked in the top 10 by Nat and other old timers who saw him...


Lastly I dont think you call Gene Tunney a runner or Ali...Mike Gibbons was the predeseccor of Tunney, since he by his own admittance copied Gibbons.

Now you cll Gibbons a spook.

Consider this, a guy lands from a far off country and decalres that o Sullivan is his manager(No darcy hater this, this is a documented quote), that guy signs a fight with Mike, later when the fight comes Les says he has fired that guy and wont fight Gibbons.

Well if I was Gibbons I would consider thata duck...let aside your bias and think this once please.

And yea, I don't think Les ducked Gibbons but it might have appeared to Gibbons that Darcy was giving him the slip. (news paper reprots already provided)

Gibbons KO % is a bit misleading, I have documented quotes of Mcfarland claiming that the only thing he feared about Gibbons was his right hand.
Plus he did KO mcGoorty earlier than Darcy managed once (KO 5). George "K.O." Brown KOd in one round (common opponent). Ahearns KO 1. His right hand is underrated. I will give you evidence later.

I have seen every bit of video on Darcy, more than most. I still think Mike holds the edge by a good margin.

Lastly I read all kinds of paper pro Darcy and other wise...I form an opinion from the primary sources always.

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 04:26 PM
Here are links to the Chip fight... see if you can score even ONE Round for Chip... sorry about the order of them,... Part 1 is the beginning of the fight,... there are only a few seconds cut out.... http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497729&page=3.. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497729&page=4


I said that if darcy was in America the KO Brown and Clabby would have managed a newspaper decision..you disagree?

Greatest1942
09-18-2011, 04:37 PM
"10 rounds"

gene Tunney beat Dempsey in 10 rounds...and the fight was agreed on...most fights went 10 rounds any way...few were scheduled higher. They had to agree, it appears that they had to sign a contract and I think darcy would have got a chance to say what he thought.

Firstly why should Mike box 20 rounds? Just because Darcy liked it more...and lastly there is not an iota of evidence that he would have fared any less.


I gave the newspaper report which stated what Darcy thought about a future 10 rounder with Gibbons.

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 04:55 PM
"Oh so he fights like a gutless modern fighter by getting on his bike ???.... I thought we were talking about a real fighter ???" I was being cheeky I admit..... It's just that I hate 12 round fights let alone 10 round ND contests which is what O'Sukkivan wanted to get Gibbons for... no wonder darcy got rid of this guy... I was as I said just being flippant... I apologise to mike for that.... But I think that short bouts are made for the quick boxer, Darcy was not used to ten round fights, he didn't fight under 20 rounds since he was 15......... as I said, a proper fight is one of endurance, how many times have you been bored stiff by watching Mr. Slick on his bike and outscoring in patches.... that is the main complaint Hagler fans have with the SRL fight,..... Leonard made Hagler miss at times and scored a lot more, but it never became a fight..... I sort of understand what they mean.

Most guys avoided Mike, I dont think you should call a guy who fought mcGoorty and Dillon while giving 10 pounds gut less...

I have given the quotes tunney said about Gibbons...Gibbons was rated as the best by most who saw him...I have given that too...he was ranked in the top 10 by Nat and other old timers who saw him... Agreed, but Fleisher rated Darcy higher if I remember right. But you can't take guys like Loughran who never saw Darcy fight.


Lastly I dont think you call Gene Tunney a runner or Ali...Mike Gibbons was the predeseccor of Tunney, since he by his own admittance copied Gibbons.

Now you cll Gibbons a spook.

Consider this, a guy lands from a far off country and decalres that o Sullivan is his manager(No darcy hater this, this is a documented quote), that guy signs a fight with Mike, later when the fight comes Les says he has fired that guy and wont fight Gibbons.

Well if I was Gibbons I would consider thata duck...let aside your bias and think this once please. O'Sullivan mislead Darcy, and he most probably,... no I'll change that,... he did lie to Mike... Tim was a liar... have you ever considered that O'Sullivan got Gibbons name, on an un-authorised contract.... I'm inclined to trust Darcy's word a hundred times over O'Sukkivan who was not what he appeared at first... it's quite well known this.

And yea, I don't think Les ducked Gibbons but it might have appeared to Gibbons that Darcy was giving him the slip. (news paper reprots already provided)

Gibbons KO % is a bit misleading, I have documented quotes of Mcfarland claiming that the only thing he feared about Gibbons was his right hand.
Plus he did KO mcGoorty earlier than Darcy managed once (KO 5). George "K.O." Brown KOd in one round (common opponent). Ahearns KO 1. His right hand is underrated. I will give you evidence later. It must be underated, I agree, that game gives him just 1 out of 15 or something, and that is just wrong.

I have seen every bit of video on Darcy, more than most. I still think Mike holds the edge by a good margin. Well I have not seen gibbons.... you are the only one I've ever heard mention of a MG film. But I've seen film of say Basilio and a Smarter boxer on different films... and I think to myself... how could Basilio have a hope... then KaPOW !!!... guy's hurt, Basilio wins by big margin..... Maybe the film quality of the Gibbons fight is way better condition, therefore he may look better... you know that I won't change my mind on who I think wins this fight..... There is also a hell of a lot of BIG evidence for Darcy..... sometimes original sources are far from the truth... hindsight can be very useful in finding the truth.... That's why Swanwick wrote his book..... YOU MUST READ THAT BOOK... until you have, you won't hear his argument put properly... I'm not as good at this as he is.

Lastly I read all kinds of paper pro Darcy and other wise...I form an opinion from the primary sources always.:lurk::rofl::rofl: I was being CHEEKY..... LOL....explained above as best I can.

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 05:06 PM
I said that if darcy was in America the KO Brown and Clabby would have managed a newspaper decision..you disagree?
No that's just there for the Chip fight, I was showing you that I have the NINE rounds... and as for the Clabby & Brown fights, it seems that Darcy was crowned the winner by the referee, and that judges had him winning those fights by wide margins, in the second Clabby fight, Darcy was ill and had badly bruised hands, but he showed how much he could box... he outboxed Clabby but only had one good hand to hit with any power...... Maybe One U.S. newspaper or two has either winning a newspaper decision... but they would have to be biased...... Darcy won those 4 fights,... thankfully they were not ND contests..... At least Australia always had decisions,.. and all top fights were over 20 rounds...... It isn't unfair for Gibbons to fight over 20 rounds with Les... Mike did have some experience with 20 round fights... those were the real Gibbons fights.

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 05:21 PM
"10 rounds"

gene Tunney beat Dempsey in 10 rounds...and the fight was agreed on...most fights went 10 rounds any way...few were scheduled higher. They had to agree, it appears that they had to sign a contract and I think darcy would have got a chance to say what he thought. It was totally unusual at the time,..... 10 round fights with judges results seem to be very rare then... those fights were because Vaudeville made Dempsey fat... it was Jack not Gene who insisted on the easier route

Firstly why should Mike box 20 rounds? Just because Darcy liked it more...and lastly there is not an iota of evidence that he would have fared any less. RE my previous post.


I gave the newspaper report which stated what Darcy thought about a future 10 rounder with Gibbons.

Can you believe that Darcy's younger brother, who was also a boxer, Frank FROSTY Darcy,..... died just two years later......... oh man, how his poor mum must have suffered,....... The family also had about three children who died as baby's....... hard hard life the Darcy clan had.:thinkerg:

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 05:34 PM
Just to illustrate that why I think the Gibbons fight did not come up due to internal Darcy squabbles than American interference---

Associated Press
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy to-day began to be about as unpopular with the sport-loving public in New York as it is possible for a man who has been placed upon a pedestal. Following the announcement that he did not intend to live up to a contract signed for him by Tim O'Sullivan, his manager, calling for bouts in Milwaukee with Jeff Smith of Jercey City and Mike Gibbons, Darcy stated that O'Sullivan had been dismissed as his manager last Tuesday.
He, apparently, forgot that on his trip to New York Bay from the Standard Oil tank ship Cushing he had told several persons aboard a tug, including Tex Rickard, Tom O'Rourke and Charles Harvey, that O'Sullivan and no one else would act in this country as his manager.
To-day Darcy declared that O'Sullivan never had been his manager, but had been employed as agent, and never had been authorized to make matches.


International News
New York, Feb. 16.--Les Darcy's denial that he authorized the signing of articles to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee April 10 left promoters in a quandary here today. Darcy flatly refused to talk with Gibbons last Tuesday, and the action of E. T. O'Sullivan in signing for the Gibbons bout, caused the Maitland wonder to rise in wrath. Darcy said today he has dismissed O'Sullivan as his manager. O'Sullivan denied Darcy's right to do so. Each side has retained counsel to settle the difficulty.


NY Tribune, Feb. 16
Les Darcy, the Australian 'cross-country and transoceanic runner, has severed connections with Tim O'Sullivan, the man who smuggled him out of Australia and kept him out of the trenches. He will probably be with the Curley-Jones-Willard syndicate boxing safeties before the month is over.
The following letter from Darcy was received last night:
To the Sporting Editor.
Dear Sir: My attention has been called to an article in the sporting columns of this morning's papers announcing that E. T. O'Sullivan has signed a contract for me to box Mike Gibbons in Milwaukee on April 10.
I beg to notify you that I have made no contract whatever to box Mike Gibbons on April 10 or at any other time. Neither have I authorized E. T. O'Sullivan or any one else to do so in my behalf.
No one has authority to sign articles for me without my approval.
Mr. E. T. O'Sullivan is no longer in my employ, either as trainer or otherwise, having been dismissed Tuesday, February 13, 1917. Yours truly,
LES DARCY.


NY Tribune, Feb. 17
Les us consider the case of James Lester Darcy, the champion of Australia, who arrived here some three months ago. He announced immediately upon landing that he would engage in about three bouts with the best men in his class, ship the profits back to his indigent family and sail for London to enlist for overseas service and fight "for the empire."
After doing a turn on the burlesque circuit Darcy decided that he would box Al McCoy, popularly known as the cheese champion, for the modest sum of $30,000. After that he would look about him for other set-ups and other theatrical engagements. As soon as Darcy's manager, E. T. O'Sullivan, signed him up with Mike Gibbons, whom Darcy regards as dangerous, the Australian hero immediately severed connections with his manager......


Now now read this reports from earlier :-

1916-12-24 New-York Tribune (page S1)
By W. O. M'GEEHAN
Darcy arrived on the Standard Oil tanker Cushing, after an adventurous journey from Australia, which consumed over two months. His trainer and acting manager, J. G. O'Sullivan, accompanied him. On the Cushing, Darcy was travelling under the name of Dawson, having shipped as a fireman.
I haven't heard you mention that Gibbons was invited to Australia, why didn't Gibbons go after the bigger money to be had in Australia, there was a lot of talk about getting Gibbons to Australia, read it anyway because it's got some real good stuff in it. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=11&ved=0CCgQqQIwADgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpaperspast%3Fa%3Dd%26d%3DNZTR19160108.2.73.4&ei=bOF0TuSUOeSQiQeEnIDJDQ&usg=AFQjCNHBkriFGwEH1jSVUB0TUmGjvNemkQ&sig2=RcTODRJoYFMOty_Bxa3RNg

McGoorty
09-18-2011, 06:03 PM
I said that if darcy was in America the KO Brown and Clabby would have managed a newspaper decision..you disagree?
Here is a classic comment from Clabby in the early 20's.... you should lol at this... I'll give you the link but it's in there amonsgt other stuff so I'll write the bit out,... It made me laugh, and it shows Clabby's humour. ---- ; A small group was at the fights and they were discussing Darcy, and Clabby was there. Jimmy broke into the conversation, "Look here, there's only one guy in the world that can fight Darcy, and that's me." said Clabby. "How do you make that out, Jim ???.. He beat you badly.". replied another. ---"Maybe, but I'm the only man in the world who can fight Darcy, all the same. You see, I can't hit him hard enough to hurt him, and make him angry, and so he let's me off of a knockout. Every guy that hurts Darcy get's knocked (out), Sure."..... said Clabby.... lol..lol...lol.. I like Clabby, he never let his ego get in the way of the truth... there's stuff about the upcoming Dempsey V Carpentier fight, ( gee, I hope Carpentier goes well )...... the link >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=28&ved=0CEsQqQIwBzgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpaperspast%3Fa%3Dd%26d%3DNZTR19210507.2.35.4&ei=8ld2TtfrO-bymAW4hKT-DA&usg=AFQjCNGe5xCNOAMjut0ZEAFop6aZKpl31A&sig2=oSIXo8lqy76tFLR1C_gDsQ

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 03:41 AM
I haven't heard you mention that Gibbons was invited to Australia, why didn't Gibbons go after the bigger money to be had in Australia, there was a lot of talk about getting Gibbons to Australia, read it anyway because it's got some real good stuff in it. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=11&ved=0CCgQqQIwADgK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpaperspast%3Fa%3Dd%26d%3DNZTR19160108.2.73.4&ei=bOF0TuSUOeSQiQeEnIDJDQ&usg=AFQjCNHBkriFGwEH1jSVUB0TUmGjvNemkQ&sig2=RcTODRJoYFMOty_Bxa3RNg

I thought we were discussing what happened after Darcy came to USA...I read that already...as I told ya, I read almost everything there is...Proof I gave you some very rare pro darcy cuttings too mate :)

If Darcy had Gibbons. al McCoy, Smith , Clabby all in Australia , I doubt he would have come to USA. He came because he ran out of opponents and wanted to make more emoney...Gibbons knew he had opponents here and also could make comparative money also. naturally he did not go...

"It was totally unusual at the time,..... 10 round fights with judges results seem to be very rare then... those fights "
Agreed, but 10 rounds were not that bad. LOL . Besides the Darcy and Gibbons affair would probably have been a 10 rounder.

"O'Sullivan mislead Darcy, and he most probably,... no "

My point was simply to show you how Gibbons might have felt...Its not about trusting O'Sullivan or Darcy...its about Gibbons side.

"Gibbons Film"

I saw two films of Mike Gibbons, oen with him and Tom sparring, which really showed of his foot speed.

Two, was his in his last fight...it was a very good film and showed off great skills...They were in Youtube too but I checked they have been deleted now.

The only proof I can give now (they existed) is that if you go to CBZ even now and check Mike Gibbons page you will find those clips referenced, but they don't work. :ugh1:

I dont know about Basillo, but you can see gene Tunney and imagine a smaller 152 version of him , you will get close ( as for Mike Gibbons)

Lastly Mike Gibbons died young too...and his son was a boxer too.

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 03:49 AM
No that's just there for the Chip fight, I was showing you that I have the NINE rounds... and as for the Clabby & Brown fights, it seems that Darcy was crowned the winner by the referee, and that judges had him winning those fights by wide margins, in the second Clabby fight, Darcy was ill and had badly bruised hands, but he showed how much he could box... he outboxed Clabby but only had one good hand to hit with any power...... Maybe One U.S. newspaper or two has either winning a newspaper decision... but they would have to be biased...... Darcy won those 4 fights,... thankfully they were not ND contests..... At least Australia always had decisions,.. and all top fights were over 20 rounds...... It isn't unfair for Gibbons to fight over 20 rounds with Les... Mike did have some experience with 20 round fights... those were the real Gibbons fights.



I know about those fights...inspite of all those there were quotes liek "KO brown almost held Darcy" etc etc....You can trust me that if those were in America some newspaper would have given them decisions...

Thats why it becomes very hard to research.

I dont say its unfair for Mike to fight 20 rounders, but generally he performed beter in 10 rounds...The humbling that he gave Dillon is arguably one of teh best performnaces of all time...It was one of the few times when every paper unanimously choose a boxer over other..I repeat every paper..

Point is Mike would have probably fought 10 rounder and even if he did 20 rounder I think he will do well (atleast we have no evidence to the contary).

"Real Fight"
Do you mean to say others were fake fight?:question:

McGoorty
09-19-2011, 06:15 AM
I know about those fights...inspite of all those there were quotes liek "KO brown almost held Darcy" etc etc....You can trust me that if those were in America some newspaper would have given them decisions...

Thats why it becomes very hard to research.

I dont say its unfair for Mike to fight 20 rounders, but generally he performed beter in 10 rounds...The humbling that he gave Dillon is arguably one of teh best performnaces of all time...It was one of the few times when every paper unanimously choose a boxer over other..I repeat every paper..

Point is Mike would have probably fought 10 rounder and even if he did 20 rounder I think he will do well (atleast we have no evidence to the contary).

"Real Fight"
Do you mean to say others were fake fight?:question:
Many ND's were crooked, yes I believe that, not saying all mind you, you must agree there is little point in a ND contest, UNLESS THERE IS A knockout,..... I tell you I just don't get them mate.... at all. Les may have been gullible enough to sign a 10 rd'r, but you do recognize that Darcy was NOT a 10 rd fight, there wouldn't be a knockout in 10 rounds so we'd be left with more conjecture than if they didn't fight..... I wouldn't trust what the newspapers said while the smear campaign was on.... in that climate, Darcy KO's say Rowlands in the first....... those lying newspapers would say that Darcy was losing on points and the referee never saw the foul. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I shouldn't have been so casual in my first comment.................. I gave you that Clabby statement because it's true... if you hurt Darcy with a shot,... he took you OUT,... KO'd every fighter that ever upset him. I think Darcy's feelings were being played the same way Gibbons did........... I think that Gibbons is almost as much as a victim as Les was......... I only wish Darcy had a few more years,.... I think he badly hurts Gibbons with at least one big KD....... and You think Gibbons outboxes Les and shows him up as a bit primitive,.... or at least few boxing skills. ------- maybe I'm slightly off there........ I think Les had great boxing skills..... and a match for anyone.

McGoorty
09-19-2011, 06:28 AM
I know about those fights...inspite of all those there were quotes liek "KO brown almost held Darcy" etc etc....You can trust me that if those were in America some newspaper would have given them decisions...

Thats why it becomes very hard to research.

I dont say its unfair for Mike to fight 20 rounders, but generally he performed beter in 10 rounds...The humbling that he gave Dillon is arguably one of teh best performnaces of all time...It was one of the few times when every paper unanimously choose a boxer over other..I repeat every paper..

Point is Mike would have probably fought 10 rounder and even if he did 20 rounder I think he will do well (atleast we have no evidence to the contary).

"Real Fight"
Do you mean to say others were fake fight?:question:
I just want to mention the fight where Jeff SM**H, say he beat Darcy, mate everyone who was there saw Darcy bashing the tripe out of him, most say that Smith was holding on to Darcy just so he wouldn't go down.....then EVERYBODY saw Smith throw an incredibly obvious foul punch.......... Now Smith is claiming this after Darcy is dead ????...... Smith got the CRAP punched out of him................... Just about every body who was there could have told you............................. I can't believe that bastard Smith, could sink that low...... Smith says he would attack Darcy in the street..... No way. LIAR....... Why do you think he was told to get out of Australia,...... because, the guy was the dirtiest fighter I've ever read about..... forget Fritzie Zivic.... Smith may have taught Zivic... because Smith was the master...... and when Darcy, and Greb say you're dirty,..... well anyway..... since we've started this debate, I have come to almost despise Smith.... I think he was a skunk.

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 08:04 AM
I just want to mention the fight where Jeff SM**H, say he beat Darcy, mate everyone who was there saw Darcy bashing the tripe out of him, most say that Smith was holding on to Darcy just so he wouldn't go down.....then EVERYBODY saw Smith throw an incredibly obvious foul punch.......... Now Smith is claiming this after Darcy is dead ????...... Smith got the CRAP punched out of him................... Just about every body who was there could have told you............................. I can't believe that bastard Smith, could sink that low...... Smith says he would attack Darcy in the street..... No way. LIAR....... Why do you think he was told to get out of Australia,...... because, the guy was the dirtiest fighter I've ever read about..... forget Fritzie Zivic.... Smith may have taught Zivic... because Smith was the master...... and when Darcy, and Greb say you're dirty,..... well anyway..... since we've started this debate, I have come to almost despise Smith.... I think he was a skunk.

"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect...

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next...

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147...

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight.

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 08:55 AM
"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect...

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next...

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147...

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight.

"Darcy Smith"

I had read a few books, and as collecting newspaper artcles is my hobby I found this already with me:-

.
JEFF. SMITH BEATS DARCY. UNSATISFACTORY CONTEST.
The meeting of Jeff Smith, middleweight worlds champion, and Les. Darcy, the Maitland lad, drew a dense crowd-estimated at 15,000-to Baker's Stadium on Saturday night. Smith weighed list 51b, and his opponent «lb less. Mr. Harald Baker was referee.
Darcy had slightly the better of the first round Feinting with his left, he twice crossed the right to the back of-Smith's neck, but there was an absence of power in the blows. In the second round Smith got home once with his right, but other efforts to repeat the blow were cleverly blocked by Darcj, whose evasion was excellent. Points were about equal.
The third round saw Darcy's left land on the face, but Smith retaliated with a right to the body. Darcy cleverly ducked several swlngs. Still Smith justly
claimed this round.
The American in the next round-and In some of the earlier ones-had imprisoned Darcy's left hand, and was holding and hitting. Only on one occasion did the referee step in and break Smith's hold. The latter scored with a right cross and two severe straight lefts. This round also belonged to Smith .
The fifth and last round was sensational. It was opened by Darcy hooking the left to the side face, and he followed with a right to the other side "The boxers then came to closer quarters, and Smith got home a body blow which caused Darcy to stop fighting and gave signs of being in pain. He walked to his corner-Smith standing off him. The referee promptly went up to Darcy and said "fight on." This Darcy did, and with remarkable vigour, too He fully held his own, and was apparcntlj aB strong at the finish of the round as when he started the contest.
When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the light. Darcy's seconds at once ex- hibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

.........(talks of house in uproar)
Dave Smith's action was not Justified when he threw in the towel. The refereee is the sole arbiter not the seconds,
........


I will post other reports soon.

McGoorty
09-19-2011, 11:14 AM
"Darcy Smith"

I had read a few books, and as collecting newspaper artcles is my hobby I found this already with me:-

.
JEFF. SMITH BEATS DARCY. UNSATISFACTORY CONTEST.
The meeting of Jeff Smith, middleweight worlds champion, and Les. Darcy, the Maitland lad, drew a dense crowd-estimated at 15,000-to Baker's Stadium on Saturday night. Smith weighed list 51b, and his opponent «lb less. Mr. Harald Baker was referee.
Darcy had slightly the better of the first round Feinting with his left, he twice crossed the right to the back of-Smith's neck, but there was an absence of power in the blows. In the second round Smith got home once with his right, but other efforts to repeat the blow were cleverly blocked by Darcj, whose evasion was excellent. Points were about equal.
The third round saw Darcy's left land on the face, but Smith retaliated with a right to the body. Darcy cleverly ducked several swlngs. Still Smith justly
claimed this round.
The American in the next round-and In some of the earlier ones-had imprisoned Darcy's left hand, and was holding and hitting. Only on one occasion did the referee step in and break Smith's hold. The latter scored with a right cross and two severe straight lefts. This round also belonged to Smith .
The fifth and last round was sensational. It was opened by Darcy hooking the left to the side face, and he followed with a right to the other side "The boxers then came to closer quarters, and Smith got home a body blow which caused Darcy to stop fighting and gave signs of being in pain. He walked to his corner-Smith standing off him. The referee promptly went up to Darcy and said "fight on." This Darcy did, and with remarkable vigour, too He fully held his own, and was apparcntlj aB strong at the finish of the round as when he started the contest.
When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the light. Darcy's seconds at once ex- hibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

.........(talks of house in uproar)
Dave Smith's action was not Justified when he threw in the towel. The refereee is the sole arbiter not the seconds,
........


I will post other reports soon.
That is the first fight, the one where I said Darcy beat up Smith (Smith fouled a lot again). It's a pity you didn't post the riot part....... I really get a kick out of the old Sydney Stadium riots, they were almost a weekly event....... they liked setting fire to things... lol. ------------------------ As for Darcy in the first round, Les was a bit like Gibbons, he preferred to box, until he and Smith realise they hate each other...... There was no light punching from Les in the second fight..... he hurt Smith in both fights, but the second was a grudge fight..... I remember that Greb admired Smith, but he admitted that was because Jeff knew a lot more dirty stuff than Harry..... LOL.... now that tells you Greb's view on fouling...... and I admit, when Darcy fought in his early days, fouls were almost the order of the day...... Darcy learned a lot from those very rough characters..... and I know that the younger Darcy, was no Saint, I don't think they had them in the ring these days. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Just a quick change of pace, tell me what you think of this photo of two MW's ????????????????? http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1163&pictureid=10166

McGoorty
09-19-2011, 11:38 AM
"Smith"

I will look into that guy...he does seem to be a kind of guy who does not admit defeat...I will check with others...But I actually was referrring to the Clabby and KO Brown fight...I will try to find reports of Smith and Darcy too.

And don't get angry about Smith I am sure no one can have everyones respect... He doesn't have to respect Darcy, maybe fair enough while Les was alive, but Jeff was still rattling that sabre a nearly a whole decade after Darcy's death....... and he was saying this in New Zealand to a group of Darcy fans............ Maybe McIntosh did something crooked and Smith was victimised in Australia..... But Jeff fought a lot of other fighters in Australia........ and the crowd was hostile towards him before he ever fought Les.

"Mike Gibbons punch"

Finally we agree on something...actually Mike was kind of outpoint your rival and leave it at that...but when he did want to punch it was good...Ahearns made some comments about Mike...we all know what happended next... No, it just doesn't pay to give lip to a guy a whole class above you, and then there was his little/BIG brother, Mike and Tommy were very close I think.

I have read in newspaper that after the 10 count Gibbons tried to lift the head of Ahearns, a work which he was relieved from by the seconds...the guy was KO'd cold. Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter.

Not to say his other KO's....but he generall played safe...


"McFarland fight"

I have researched into that more.
I think Gibbons and mcFarland both weighed below or at 147... Yeah, I'd forgotten that Gibbons was a WW in his early days, am I right ???

I had given one source (of them weighing over 150)...but after rechecking the NY times and a host of others I have found out the details...Yea Gibbons still had one pound may be.

Gibbons basically starved to make 147 and as such I believe lost some of his strength...but it was a very competitive fight. Didn't McFarland beat Britton ????...... Packy was awesome.

While I mention McFarland.... here's Packey knocking Jimmy Britt down. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1163&pictureid=10170

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 02:19 PM
While I mention McFarland.... here's Packey knocking Jimmy Britt down. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1163&pictureid=10170

"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. <b>Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.</b>
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.

Greatest1942
09-19-2011, 02:47 PM
"He doesn't have to respect Darcy, maybe fair enough while Les was alive, but Jeff was still rattling that sabre a nearly a whole decade after Darcy's death"

Smith might have felt victimized. But yea he does seem to be overly bitter. No point holding grudge against a dead man.

McGoorty
09-19-2011, 03:49 PM
"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. <b>Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.</b>
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.
That isn't the fight I was talking about, I was referring to Darcy V Smith 2....... but the fact remains that Smith hit Darcy in the Ol' Codgers,... The Referee mustn't have seen it.. The fight was very controversial... I don't know....... anyway I thought I'd put some photo's in as a gift to you for being a gritty fighter,..... and this BABE should make you feel good.... It's Rita Baby.. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1182&pictureid=10191 http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1182&pictureid=10188 http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1182&pictureid=10190 http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1182&pictureid=10189

McGoorty
09-20-2011, 02:25 PM
"Yeah, Ahearn was a reasonable fighter, but not even in Holland's class, Holland seems to have been a very skillful fighter."

Darcy wanted to meet the winner of Gibbons - Ahearn, fight...before the fight a telegram came which stated so..Ahearns at that point was widely repsected and considered a dangerous opponent...

"darcy- Smith"

I think Smith was ahead on points...in that fight and it was almost even.

Here's another report :-
The Advertiser

SMITH BEATS DARCY.
Sydney, January 24.
Forty minutes before "Jeff" Smith, 11 st. 5 lb.,
and "Les** Darcy, 11 st. 1 lb., stepped into the
Stadium ring last night to fight for the world's
middleweight championship, there were 10,000
spectators, and still the crowd poured in, a big
contingent arriving late from Newcastle and Mait-
land. Fully 14,000 were present when the open-
ing gong clanged. It was the biggest crowd, and
certainly by far the biggest gate, since the out-
break of the war affected attendances. Roars of
applause followed the Australian to his corner
after the first round, he having been very success-
ful in chopping his right to his opponent's head.
Smith acted mainly on the defensive, and im-
proved in the second, shaking Darcy with a heavy
right-cross. Immediately the Australian fought
back, landed a beautifully-timed left hook de-
fensively. <b>Smith took the honors as the con-
test went on, with the men striving evenly. The
Australian was applauded for the grit with
which he responded when punished. Smith landed
some terrific rights to the head, but could not
shake Darcy. The fight ended at the fifth.</b>
Darcy was hit low, and complained, but the re-
feree said ''box on," and be did so to the end ofFix this text
the round. When stripping off his trunks he
showed to the referee his battered shield. His
seconds then threw in his towel, and Smith was
declared the winner.


................

From the various reports the results seem to be to me:-

1) Les Darcy
2)Even
3)Smith
4)Smith
5)About even - Smith starts well, Darcy did okay at the end.

I think Smith was doing quite well there....I am using all Australian sources by the way.
I apologise if you have already read this one.... there is some good stuff there other than Darcy....... This is NZ writer "Boxer Major", (maybe Aussie)...... who throws cold water over Gibbons claim to a title, saying that he is a top boxer, but say's that at best Mike was #1. challenger......... no love for McCoy, as usual he doesn't get a mention. I know this proves little... but anyway here's the link.. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=10&sqi=2&ved=0CFYQqQIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpaperspast%3Fa%3Dd%26d%3DNZTR19150626.2.43&ei=ycp4TsvbM-3nmAWUj7W1DQ&usg=AFQjCNHmF71MmeGY77WKU_nCzPAfqGv9AQ&sig2=sinHW0t1DyikdlIfGbj6MQ

Greatest1942
09-20-2011, 03:08 PM
I apologise if you have already read this one.... there is some good stuff there other than Darcy....... This is NZ writer "Boxer Major", (maybe Aussie)...... who throws cold water over Gibbons claim to a title, saying that he is a top boxer, but say's that at best Mike was #1. challenger......... no love for McCoy, as usual he doesn't get a mention. I know this proves little... but anyway here's the link.. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=10&sqi=2&ved=0CFYQqQIwCQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpaperspast.natlib.govt.nz%2Fcgi-bin%2Fpaperspast%3Fa%3Dd%26d%3DNZTR19150626.2.43&ei=ycp4TsvbM-3nmAWUj7W1DQ&usg=AFQjCNHmF71MmeGY77WKU_nCzPAfqGv9AQ&sig2=sinHW0t1DyikdlIfGbj6MQ



yea I read that one...I have other artilces too, each claiming Gibbons as champ, but those doesn't prove anything...If Darcy - Gibbons happened , it would have been great... Its a shame some politicians really thought otherwise...also Darcy's premature death, sad story really.

"Darcy - Smith 2"

Second fight was better for Darcy...

DARCY BEATS JEFF SMITH.

There was scarcely a vacant seat in
Baker's Stadium on Saturday night (22nd
May), when Les. Darcy, of Maitland, en-
countered Jeff Smith (U.S.) for the world's
middleweight championship. Each boxer
weighed a few ounces over 11st 5lb.

The condition, of the men left little to
be desired. In the first round Darcy
shaped confidently, and aggressively. His
straight left followed by a right swing,
left its mark on Smith's face. The
American clinched, and resorted to hold-
ing and hitting his opponent. The young
Maitland blacksmith quite held his own
at infighting. After the breakaway both
men exhibited good boxing, their foot-
work and defensive movements being ad-
mirable.

There was a marked difference in the
respective styles. Darcy stood well up
to his mark, like the boxers of the Jem
Mace school. Smith crouched, and, when
he landed a blow, came to close quarters,
nestled his head near Darcy's chin, and
got to work with one hand while holding
his antagonist's left or right. It was
while Smith was crouching that he struck
Darcy an unmistakably foul blow below
the belt. The referee cautioned the
American for this offence. The men then
finished the round, which ended in Darcy's
favour, but not by a great margin. In
the second and last round Darcy forced
the fighting and scored with several heavy
lefts and rights, mostly to the head.
Smith, who was shaping somewhat ner-
vously, was not idle, for he landed heav-
ily with a straight left to the mark. Neat-
ly avoiding Darcy's left lead, he crossed
him heavily with the right. Smith
ducked another lead, and then swung his
left on Darcy's groin.

The referee, without a moment's hesita-
tion, separated the men, and placed his
hand on Darcy's head, indicating the winner.
Smith went to his corner, where he was
greeted with prolonged hooting. The de-
cision was undoubtedly correct, and it was
loudly applauded.


Les Darcy, writing to Mr. Corbett, of
the Sydney Sun, says:--"I wish I could
have had a little chat with you before my
departure for home. I am sure you would
like to know what I think of my battle
with Smith. Well, speaking for myself,
Mr. Corbett, I never felt better in my
life nor more confident of winning, and
I think Smith was frightened. I thought
so by the feel of him in the first round.
He is the dirtiest fighter ever I got into
the ring with. I'll never give him the
chance to win the championship back from
me--anybody else but him. He is likely
to cripple anyone. You would want armour
on like Ned Kelly's to be safe with him "

Greatest1942
09-20-2011, 03:14 PM
"Middle weight photos"

Where did ya get them from?:?!:

McGoorty
09-20-2011, 04:47 PM
"Middle weight photos"

Where did ya get them from?:?!:
Google photo's mate, just dial google, when that comes up type google photos, then to get good boxing photos type in boxing photos on that site, to find particular boxers for example type Tommy Ryan boxing photo's.......... and I typed in Rita Hayworth for a pile of photos on that particular delight...... I thought you'd love those photos, I've saved a bunch from there, including about 6 or 7 Tunney V Greb fight photos........ I hope you work it out from my scribblings........ I have to start a thread, then I'll read through your previous post.

McGoorty
09-20-2011, 06:01 PM
yea I read that one...I have other artilces too, each claiming Gibbons as champ, but those doesn't prove anything...If Darcy - Gibbons happened , it would have been great... Its a shame some politicians really thought otherwise...also Darcy's premature death, sad story really.

"Darcy - Smith 2"

Second fight was better for Darcy...

DARCY BEATS JEFF SMITH.

There was scarcely a vacant seat in
Baker's Stadium on Saturday night (22nd
May), when Les. Darcy, of Maitland, en-
countered Jeff Smith (U.S.) for the world's
middleweight championship. Each boxer
weighed a few ounces over 11st 5lb.

The condition, of the men left little to
be desired. In the first round Darcy
shaped confidently, and aggressively. His
straight left followed by a right swing,
left its mark on Smith's face. The
American clinched, and resorted to hold-
ing and hitting his opponent. The young
Maitland blacksmith quite held his own
at infighting. After the breakaway both
men exhibited good boxing, their foot-
work and defensive movements being ad-
mirable.

There was a marked difference in the
respective styles. Darcy stood well up
to his mark, like the boxers of the Jem
Mace school. Smith crouched, and, when
he landed a blow, came to close quarters,
nestled his head near Darcy's chin, and
got to work with one hand while holding
his antagonist's left or right. It was
while Smith was crouching that he struck
Darcy an unmistakably foul blow below
the belt. The referee cautioned the
American for this offence. The men then
finished the round, which ended in Darcy's
favour, but not by a great margin. In
the second and last round Darcy forced
the fighting and scored with several heavy
lefts and rights, mostly to the head.
Smith, who was shaping somewhat ner-
vously, was not idle, for he landed heav-
ily with a straight left to the mark. Neat-
ly avoiding Darcy's left lead, he crossed
him heavily with the right. Smith
ducked another lead, and then swung his
left on Darcy's groin.

The referee, without a moment's hesita-
tion, separated the men, and placed his
hand on Darcy's head, indicating the winner.
Smith went to his corner, where he was
greeted with prolonged hooting. The de-
cision was undoubtedly correct, and it was
loudly applauded.


Les Darcy, writing to Mr. Corbett, of
the Sydney Sun, says:--"I wish I could
have had a little chat with you before my
departure for home. I am sure you would
like to know what I think of my battle
with Smith. Well, speaking for myself,
Mr. Corbett, I never felt better in my
life nor more confident of winning, and
I think Smith was frightened. I thought
so by the feel of him in the first round.
He is the dirtiest fighter ever I got into
the ring with. I'll never give him the
chance to win the championship back from
me--anybody else but him. He is likely
to cripple anyone. You would want armour
on like Ned Kelly's to be safe with him "
Great, there are a few sources for this fight, I've read more exciting articles about it, but after all it didn't last two rounds, some observers noted that Smith's face carried a strange expression, from what I can tell, the first punch by Darcy hurt Smith, he tried to slow things down with clinching but Darcy gave him hell in close. In the second Smith was said to look panicky, and he fouled in the second round , same as in the first... this time everybody saw how low the punch was and he was DQ'd... then one of my beloved riots started. Smith's purse was not paid to him, Baker said that the tactics used by Smith, and that to Snowy, Jeff wanted the quickest route out of the fight and dogged it (Baker's words)........... still one of the most controversial fights in Aussie history.

McGoorty
09-20-2011, 07:15 PM
Great, there are a few sources for this fight, I've read more exciting articles about it, but after all it didn't last two rounds, some observers noted that Smith's face carried a strange expression, from what I can tell, the first punch by Darcy hurt Smith, he tried to slow things down with clinching but Darcy gave him hell in close. In the second Smith was said to look panicky, and he fouled in the second round , same as in the first... this time everybody saw how low the punch was and he was DQ'd... then one of my beloved riots started. Smith's purse was not paid to him, Baker said that the tactics used by Smith, and that to Snowy, Jeff wanted the quickest route out of the fight and dogged it (Baker's words)........... still one of the most controversial fights in Aussie history.
SHOCKING NEWS !!!!..... IS Jack Dempsey and Les Darcy the SAME PERSON ?????...... I wonder if you've come across this classic from 1919.. link................................. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=30&ved=0CFUQqQIwCTgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D1rZRAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dm2gDAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3670% 2C844668%26dq%3Djack%2Bkearns%2Bles%2Bdarcy%26hl%3 Den&ei=Nw55TtSkCuSZiAee_bn7Dw&usg=AFQjCNE7ybxZGxZF3tpcG1gbm7lPdPWEhA&sig2=YnRSJBNEmUSXfipKiGVItg

Barn
09-20-2011, 07:17 PM
SHOCKING NEWS !!!!..... IS Jack Dempsey and Les Darcy the SAME PERSON ?????...... I wonder if you've come across this classic from 1919.. link................................. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=30&ved=0CFUQqQIwCTgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D1rZRAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dm2gDAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3670% 2C844668%26dq%3Djack%2Bkearns%2Bles%2Bdarcy%26hl%3 Den&ei=Nw55TtSkCuSZiAee_bn7Dw&usg=AFQjCNE7ybxZGxZF3tpcG1gbm7lPdPWEhA&sig2=YnRSJBNEmUSXfipKiGVItg
loooooooooooooooooooool I thought you were taking the piss when I first read that!

McGoorty
09-20-2011, 07:24 PM
loooooooooooooooooooool I thought you were taking the piss when I first read that!
Can you imagine how THAT story got started,,,,,,,,,,, war fever ???.... I just S**T meself when I found that.... man those journos.

Greatest1942
09-21-2011, 03:43 AM
SHOCKING NEWS !!!!..... IS Jack Dempsey and Les Darcy the SAME PERSON ?????...... I wonder if you've come across this classic from 1919.. link................................. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=newssearch&cd=30&ved=0CFUQqQIwCTgU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid %3D1rZRAAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3Dm2gDAAAAIBAJ%26pg%3D3670% 2C844668%26dq%3Djack%2Bkearns%2Bles%2Bdarcy%26hl%3 Den&ei=Nw55TtSkCuSZiAee_bn7Dw&usg=AFQjCNE7ybxZGxZF3tpcG1gbm7lPdPWEhA&sig2=YnRSJBNEmUSXfipKiGVItg

I read this previously, honestly speaking someone had brain fever...How did they imagine Jack Dempsey and Les darcy were the same person is beyond me...

Greatest1942
09-21-2011, 03:44 AM
Great, there are a few sources for this fight, I've read more exciting articles about it, but after all it didn't last two rounds, some observers noted that Smith's face carried a strange expression, from what I can tell, the first punch by Darcy hurt Smith, he tried to slow things down with clinching but Darcy gave him hell in close. In the second Smith was said to look panicky, and he fouled in the second round , same as in the first... this time everybody saw how low the punch was and he was DQ'd... then one of my beloved riots started. Smith's purse was not paid to him, Baker said that the tactics used by Smith, and that to Snowy, Jeff wanted the quickest route out of the fight and dogged it (Baker's words)........... still one of the most controversial fights in Aussie history.

Yea... Will post other reports...it does seem Smith looked for a way out

Greatest1942
09-21-2011, 04:08 AM
SMITH SAYS AUSTRALIANS ROBBED HIM OF TITLE.
JEFF SMITH IS MUCH AGITATED; Declares that Snowy Baker Swindle Him; Forfeited His End of the Purse, He Says; Because He Fouled the Big Favorite.

SMITH SAYS AUSTRALIANS ROBBED HIM OF TITLE.
JEFF SMITH IS MUCH AGITATED; Declares that Snowy Baker Swindle Him; Forfeited His End of the Purse, He Says; Because He Fouled the Big Favorite.


Smith I think carried a grudge from previosu fights, which manifest in the Darcy fight...which really should not have been :-

SMITH ROBBED IN BOUT.; Australian Boxing Authorities Condemn Referee's Decision.

One of the most remarkable demonstrations witnessed at a boxing contest followed the twenty-round bout between Jeff Smith and Eddie McGoorty, two Americans, at the Stadium, Sydney, Australia, on March 14, when Referee A.S. Scott declared McGoorty the winner. The decision was so unpopular and manifestly unjust that the Stadium management not only deposed the referee, but sent an official repudiation of his ruling to all countries where boxing is recognized


"Riot Part"

When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the fight. Darcy's seconds at once exhibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

At this stage the whole house was in an uproar. Presumably the referee did not see the blow referred to. If so he had no alternative but to order the continuance of the bout. On the other hand, if Darcy were struck unfairly he was clearly entitled to the decision. That he was not injured does not affect the issue. If a hit is foul the degree of damage is immaterial. But, as said before, the referee and a good many others round the ring did not see the blow in question.

Dave Smith's action was not justified when he threw in the towel. The referee is the sole arbiter--not the seconds in either man's corner. The contest itself was disappointing. Smith's form was but a shadow of that which he has previously shown. Darcy has unquestionably improved as a boxer but he did not exhibit his determination and forcefulness that have been features of his previous bouts.

For half an hour after the referee's decision the great crowd remained in the building arguing the point. Some in the highest-priced seats excitedly demanded their money back, and a fistic collision with one of the Stadium principals was imminent. It was just as well that nothing of the kind occurred, as the crowd was in an ugly temper, and only wanted a lead to make serious trouble.

"Baker disqualified Smoth"

read the following from the Bulletin :-

"Jeff Smith--the man who cut
M'Goorty to pieces a couple of years ago--
was beaten before he started fighting at
Sydney Stadium on Saturday night. His
offensive was broken, his big guns captur-
ed, and his mobility ruined by Blue Funk.
He left his corner to meet the blithe and
eager Les Darcy as nervous as a rabbit.
Before the first round was over every judge
of boxing in the audience realised that he
was doomed ; and he probably knew it bet-
ter than the onlookers. The Maitland
youngster landed four times to his one,
and landed hard and clean. Except when
Jeff was claiming one of his arms Darcy
hit pretty well where he wished. The
Yankee's footwork, which stood to him
so well in his great fight with Clabby, was
useless against the rugged, rushing local
champion. When Smith entered upon the
second round his countenance wore a great
resolve to get in out of the storm without
a second's unnecessary delay. Amidst a
hurricane of straight lefts and right-
crosses from Darcy he aimed a blow which
would have been foul had it landed. Work-
ing towards the centre of the ring he next
butted the Australian in the face with his
head. Then came his master blow--a right
hook to the crutch. Darcy had apparently
provided himself with a bullet-proof shield
since his last encounter with the U.S.
champion. Anyhow, though he winced,
he was ready to go on. But the intention
was so obvious that Harold Baker had to
act, and, amid a storm of hoots for Smith,
he declared the other man the winner.
Smith was palpably relieved, and hastened
to wring Darcy's hand. It was significant
that not a moan or other funeral note was
heard from his usually vociferous corner.
The offence was too flagrant for convincing
protest. It is to be hoped that Smith will
never again be matched with Darcy. The
latter's shields may then be heavier, and
the finish of it will be that Smith will break
one of his hands. Meanwhile, his share
of the gate has been withhold pending an
enquiry by the Stadium authorities. (The
Stadium Management has since decided
to pay Smith's portion--nearly £500--into
a Patriotic Fund, and to disqualify him for
life.) "

McGoorty
09-21-2011, 11:28 AM
SMITH SAYS AUSTRALIANS ROBBED HIM OF TITLE.
JEFF SMITH IS MUCH AGITATED; Declares that Snowy Baker Swindle Him; Forfeited His End of the Purse, He Says; Because He Fouled the Big Favorite.

SMITH SAYS AUSTRALIANS ROBBED HIM OF TITLE.
JEFF SMITH IS MUCH AGITATED; Declares that Snowy Baker Swindle Him; Forfeited His End of the Purse, He Says; Because He Fouled the Big Favorite.


Smith I think carried a grudge from previosu fights, which manifest in the Darcy fight...which really should not have been :-

SMITH ROBBED IN BOUT.; Australian Boxing Authorities Condemn Referee's Decision.

One of the most remarkable demonstrations witnessed at a boxing contest followed the twenty-round bout between Jeff Smith and Eddie McGoorty, two Americans, at the Stadium, Sydney, Australia, on March 14, when Referee A.S. Scott declared McGoorty the winner. The decision was so unpopular and manifestly unjust that the Stadium management not only deposed the referee, but sent an official repudiation of his ruling to all countries where boxing is recognized


"Riot Part"

When Darcy walked to his corner his trainer and chief second, Dave Smith, threw in the towel. The referee immediately placed his hand on Smith's head and gave him the fight. Darcy's seconds at once exhibited his protecting cup, which was found to be dented.

At this stage the whole house was in an uproar. Presumably the referee did not see the blow referred to. If so he had no alternative but to order the continuance of the bout. On the other hand, if Darcy were struck unfairly he was clearly entitled to the decision. That he was not injured does not affect the issue. If a hit is foul the degree of damage is immaterial. But, as said before, the referee and a good many others round the ring did not see the blow in question.

Dave Smith's action was not justified when he threw in the towel. The referee is the sole arbiter--not the seconds in either man's corner. The contest itself was disappointing. Smith's form was but a shadow of that which he has previously shown. Darcy has unquestionably improved as a boxer but he did not exhibit his determination and forcefulness that have been features of his previous bouts.

For half an hour after the referee's decision the great crowd remained in the building arguing the point. Some in the highest-priced seats excitedly demanded their money back, and a fistic collision with one of the Stadium principals was imminent. It was just as well that nothing of the kind occurred, as the crowd was in an ugly temper, and only wanted a lead to make serious trouble.

"Baker disqualified Smoth"

read the following from the Bulletin :-

"Jeff Smith--the man who cut
M'Goorty to pieces a couple of years ago--
was beaten before he started fighting at
Sydney Stadium on Saturday night. His
offensive was broken, his big guns captur-
ed, and his mobility ruined by Blue Funk.
He left his corner to meet the blithe and
eager Les Darcy as nervous as a rabbit.
Before the first round was over every judge
of boxing in the audience realised that he
was doomed ; and he probably knew it bet-
ter than the onlookers. The Maitland
youngster landed four times to his one,
and landed hard and clean. Except when
Jeff was claiming one of his arms Darcy
hit pretty well where he wished. The
Yankee's footwork, which stood to him
so well in his great fight with Clabby, was
useless against the rugged, rushing local
champion. When Smith entered upon the
second round his countenance wore a great
resolve to get in out of the storm without
a second's unnecessary delay. Amidst a
hurricane of straight lefts and right-
crosses from Darcy he aimed a blow which
would have been foul had it landed. Work-
ing towards the centre of the ring he next
butted the Australian in the face with his
head. Then came his master blow--a right
hook to the crutch. Darcy had apparently
provided himself with a bullet-proof shield
since his last encounter with the U.S.
champion. Anyhow, though he winced,
he was ready to go on. But the intention
was so obvious that Harold Baker had to
act, and, amid a storm of hoots for Smith,
he declared the other man the winner.
Smith was palpably relieved, and hastened
to wring Darcy's hand. It was significant
that not a moan or other funeral note was
heard from his usually vociferous corner.
The offence was too flagrant for convincing
protest. It is to be hoped that Smith will
never again be matched with Darcy. The
latter's shields may then be heavier, and
the finish of it will be that Smith will break
one of his hands. Meanwhile, his share
of the gate has been withhold pending an
enquiry by the Stadium authorities. (The
Stadium Management has since decided
to pay Smith's portion--nearly £500--into
a Patriotic Fund, and to disqualify him for
life.) "
Wow man, where did you find that !!!!!!.... I have read only shorter reports on that second fight..... It backs up what I said, AND THEN SOME.... It really looks like the referee stopping the fight, reading between the lines, it seems that Darcy ,ay have had a look of pure murder on his face, I think Smith was saved from a far worse fate than a D.Q. loss. What a great report, you get a realistic look at Darcy in a grudge fight, not the smiling and laughing bloke we read about, I don't think he stepped into that ring with any thoughts of mercy on his mind. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That McGoorty "Victory" over Smith was by what I have heard, a total Smith victory, the Sydney crowd was rowdy but fair. One fellow I have not mentioned was Snowy Bakers Brother, Harold Baker who was the main referee at the stadium. Harold seems like a bit of a shady character, Ray Swanwick described Harold as a notorious Referee and who was a part of many suspicious results in those days...... You might want to look into the baker brothers a bit, but I will say this about Snowy and McIntosh and their Boxing business. They were admired by American Promoters and managers for having what some of them said was the best model for the sport, they said that control at the top was far better than the American scene at the time where the managers and fighters did what they pleased and the result was chaos, which makes our job that much harder.

Greatest1942
09-21-2011, 01:44 PM
Wow man, where did you find that !!!!!!.... I have read only shorter reports on that second fight..... It backs up what I said, AND THEN SOME.... It really looks like the referee stopping the fight, reading between the lines, it seems that Darcy ,ay have had a look of pure murder on his face, I think Smith was saved from a far worse fate than a D.Q. loss. What a great report, you get a realistic look at Darcy in a grudge fight, not the smiling and laughing bloke we read about, I don't think he stepped into that ring with any thoughts of mercy on his mind. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That McGoorty "Victory" over Smith was by what I have heard, a total Smith victory, the Sydney crowd was rowdy but fair. One fellow I have not mentioned was Snowy Bakers Brother, Harold Baker who was the main referee at the stadium. Harold seems like a bit of a shady character, Ray Swanwick described Harold as a notorious Referee and who was a part of many suspicious results in those days...... You might want to look into the baker brothers a bit, but I will say this about Snowy and McIntosh and their Boxing business. They were admired by American Promoters and managers for having what some of them said was the best model for the sport, they said that control at the top was far better than the American scene at the time where the managers and fighters did what they pleased and the result was chaos, which makes our job that much harder.

The Smith - Mcgoorty fight was a definite win for Smith...

I think it made Smith bitter against the bakers.

McGoorty
09-21-2011, 02:14 PM
The Smith - Mcgoorty fight was a definite win for Smith...

I think it made Smith bitter against the bakers.
Yeah, Smith has his version and the Baker's never wavered from theirs, I will mention that this was an era that was noted for every type of foul imaginable, but Smith seems to get mentioned as a very dirty fighter by a lot of people. I will say this about the referee's in that era that they awarded many DQ victories to the men squirming on the floor... nowadays we see fouls and referee's seem not to notice many fouls (the ghost of Harald Baker ???)...... and you see the committer of the foul getting the victory..... and you don't see police sergeants jumping into the ring to stop fights anymore either.

Greatest1942
09-22-2011, 05:15 AM
Yeah, Smith has his version and the Baker's never wavered from theirs, I will mention that this was an era that was noted for every type of foul imaginable, but Smith seems to get mentioned as a very dirty fighter by a lot of people. I will say this about the referee's in that era that they awarded many DQ victories to the men squirming on the floor... nowadays we see fouls and referee's seem not to notice many fouls (the ghost of Harald Baker ???)...... and you see the committer of the foul getting the victory..... and you don't see police sergeants jumping into the ring to stop fights anymore either.



Smith might have been dirty , but he was a good fighter, beat soem good names and was very capable...even in the first bout against darcy he was winning.

By the by , I forgot to tell you something, all though the Americans called Darcy a slacker the calls for his blood had started from his mother land...teh Americans actually acted lately...

I wonder if you read this :-

"Owing to Les Darcy's unpatriotic actions in clearing out of his country at a time when he should be doing his little bit along with his Australian comrades, it has been decided to strip him of his middleweight and heavyweight titles."



"For the fellow who bolts in a dreadful funk when he begins to deem it possible that his duty may be thrust upon him, there can be nothing but disgust and scorn"--Sunday Times, November, 1916


"The majority said in their hearts, you're a shirker, Les Darcy, and we thought you a real man."----Sydney People


These kind of articles coupled with Darcy's perceived evasion (which was unjust most likely) soured the American people on Darcy

Greatest1942
09-22-2011, 06:05 AM
After Darcy's death. the Sydney Truth published a letter from one exasperated reader: “Really.to hear people speak, you would think Les Darcy was THE ONLY SINGLEMAN who did not go, and had he gone would have been able to do the fighting
on his own.”


The first anti darcy article of some real consequence occured when the New York Tribune, took a very strong stand on Darcy’s presence in the
United States. and reprinted articles from the Australian Sunday Times
and The Referee....Note it was actually reprinted....

Fact is there was more malign interests against Darcy at Australia, during his stay in America only tow newspapers stood up for him, only two of the whole lot...the rest vilified him...One of them the Sydney Sprotsman wrote "While these denouncers of Darcy continue affirming that they are solely disgusted because Darcy did not enlist, it appears to us that they are more concerned because he did not stay in Sydney, and continue to be a meal ticket for the squealers and their friends.Not content with spitting their spleen locally, they cabled and wrote to America, where the prostituted pens of a pliant press were only too ready to ‘yellow-journal’ the foreigner. Darcy.”
...but I will note that when ones motherland vilifies you, its hard for the other land to not believe it.

“With the splendid heroism of our
stalwarts shining as a constant glory at the front, it is somehow sadly ludicrous to make heroes of professional boxers who prefer to evade the risks of war..........“For days it lay in a sort of state in a city undertaker’s establishment, and people of all sorts flocked in their tens of thousands to see it.Before it was buried priests of Christ pronounced a panegyric above it. Had some passing stranger heard the things said he might easily have supposed that here lay dead some strong smiter of the oppressor, some heroic saviour of the people.”----Sunday Times after Darcy's funeral....


"Whitman"

Actually Whitman was not bad, he was honest and seems to have liked Darcy...

To go by a quote of Mick Hawkins , "The Governor said: I'm sorry for you, boy, but there's a guy named Mclntosh who must have a big pull back in Australia. I just can't allow you to fight.' He seemed a straight shooter."

Though the Whitman act on paper was worse.

"Darcy- O Sullivan"

"I wish to contradict the stories sent out by Mr E. T. O'Sullivan regarding our split. Had he acted fairly in the matter he would still be with me as trainer and pal.

"He states that he had a contract signed with me calling for a third of my earnings, and in another paper says the contract called for 25 per cent of my earnings.

"In one paper, he states the contract was lost on board the ship, and in another he says I tore it up. We had no agreement of any kind saying I was to give him any percentage of my earnings.

"We left old Australia seeking our fortune together, and O'Sullivan well knew that if he did right with me he would be well taken care of. When I refused to give O'Sullivan his demands the other day, his parting tip to me was that he would make me wish I was back in Australia, the way he would roast me in the papers."--Les Darcy

McGoorty
09-22-2011, 11:33 AM
After Darcy's death. the Sydney Truth published a letter from one exasperated reader: “Really.to hear people speak, you would think Les Darcy was THE ONLY SINGLEMAN who did not go, and had he gone would have been able to do the fighting
on his own.”


The first anti darcy article of some real consequence occured when the New York Tribune, took a very strong stand on Darcy’s presence in the
United States. and reprinted articles from the Australian Sunday Times
and The Referee....Note it was actually reprinted....

Fact is there was more malign interests against Darcy at Australia, during his stay in America only tow newspapers stood up for him, only two of the whole lot...the rest vilified him...One of them the Sydney Sprotsman wrote "While these denouncers of Darcy continue affirming that they are solely disgusted because Darcy did not enlist, it appears to us that they are more concerned because he did not stay in Sydney, and continue to be a meal ticket for the squealers and their friends.Not content with spitting their spleen locally, they cabled and wrote to America, where the prostituted pens of a pliant press were only too ready to ‘yellow-journal’ the foreigner. Darcy.”
...but I will note that when ones motherland vilifies you, its hard for the other land to not believe it.

“With the splendid heroism of our
stalwarts shining as a constant glory at the front, it is somehow sadly ludicrous to make heroes of professional boxers who prefer to evade the risks of war..........“For days it lay in a sort of state in a city undertaker’s establishment, and people of all sorts flocked in their tens of thousands to see it.Before it was buried priests of Christ pronounced a panegyric above it. Had some passing stranger heard the things said he might easily have supposed that here lay dead some strong smiter of the oppressor, some heroic saviour of the people.”----Sunday Times after Darcy's funeral....


"Whitman"

Actually Whitman was not bad, he was honest and seems to have liked Darcy...

To go by a quote of Mick Hawkins , "The Governor said: I'm sorry for you, boy, but there's a guy named Mclntosh who must have a big pull back in Australia. I just can't allow you to fight.' He seemed a straight shooter."

Though the Whitman act on paper was worse.

"Darcy- O Sullivan"

"I wish to contradict the stories sent out by Mr E. T. O'Sullivan regarding our split. Had he acted fairly in the matter he would still be with me as trainer and pal.

"He states that he had a contract signed with me calling for a third of my earnings, and in another paper says the contract called for 25 per cent of my earnings.

"In one paper, he states the contract was lost on board the ship, and in another he says I tore it up. We had no agreement of any kind saying I was to give him any percentage of my earnings.

"We left old Australia seeking our fortune together, and O'Sullivan well knew that if he did right with me he would be well taken care of. When I refused to give O'Sullivan his demands the other day, his parting tip to me was that he would make me wish I was back in Australia, the way he would roast me in the papers."--Les Darcy
Yeah, I've always blamed Baker and McIntosh for starting the smear campaign, they found many willing helpers among the big boys in government. The loss of Darcy to the U.S. was a disaster for them and I think they wanted to force him back. The war was a long one for Australia and war fever (no longer enthusiastic and just wanting the nightmare over. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- O'Sullivan is very shady, he came on to the scene from nowhere, maybe a con man because nobody had heard of him, next thing he's hobnobbing with the likes of Rickard, Curley and Dime. What happened between Les and him can never be fully understood. O'Sullivan wrote a letter to the papers many years later trying to clear his name, but nobody seemed to care, he'd been forgotten.