my trainer said it hardens your knockles.

is this true?????????

it probably does, not sure how that would help on a fight.

it probably does, not sure how that would help on a fight.

i wouldent, but my knockles tend to get sore and cut,
so tougher knockles would be a soulution.

Using wraps would stop this I believe, I use wraps and there are no cuts but before I used them I had big sores near my knuckles.

If it does that would be cool. I've never heard any reasonable suggestions on how to toughen knuckles and it's definitely worth looking into. Great, you can wear wraps and gloves in a boxing match, but boxing isn't just a sport, it's a form of self defense. For self defense you want tough knuckles.

If it does that would be cool. I've never heard any reasonable suggestions on how to toughen knuckles and it's definitely worth looking into. Great, you can wear wraps and gloves in a boxing match, but boxing isn't just a sport, it's a form of self defense. For self defense you want tough knuckles.

Better than punching sand, I think, is knuckle push-ups. First do them on wood floors and then on sidewalks.

I don't know the details, but I've heard of punching sand as a martial arts technique far hardening knuckles.

I don't know the details, but I've heard of punching sand as a martial arts technique far hardening knuckles.

Yes it is. And I used to do that. I switched from Shodokan to Fu-Jow Pai (southern Shaolin) and they discouraged toughening up your hands by hitting sand, gravel and wrapped boards and recommended knuckle push-ups. It's too long of a post but I think that hitting barehanded can cause a variety of problems while I know that knuckle pushups strengthen the knuckle and after almost 30 yrs has not given me any problems.

I know it works because it took me a while to be able to do knuckle push-ups on wood and even longer before I could do it on sidewalks. For years I didn't even think twice about doing knuckle push-ups. Now, if I don't do them for a few months (I don't train anymore, just keep myself in shape) I have to start on wood floors again before going back to sidewalks.

Yes it is. And I used to do that. I switched from Shodokan to Fu-Jow Pai (southern Shaolin) and they discouraged toughening up your hands by hitting sand, gravel and wrapped boards and recommended knuckle push-ups. It's too long of a post but I think that hitting barehanded can cause a variety of problems while I know that knuckle pushups strengthen the knuckle and after almost 30 yrs has not given me any problems.

I know it works because it took me a while to be able to do knuckle push-ups on wood and even longer before I could do it on sidewalks. For years I didn't even think twice about doing knuckle push-ups. Now, if I don't do them for a few months (I don't train anymore, just keep myself in shape) I have to start on wood floors again before going back to sidewalks.
Interesting, thanks for filling in the details.

Yes it is. And I used to do that. I switched from Shodokan to Fu-Jow Pai (southern Shaolin)

One of Wai Hong's guys?
Aside from the good advice on the running thread, i knew there was a reason I liked yah. :D hehe

I was Jow Ga in DC.
School's floors were plywood, pushups everyday.
Jumping knuckle pushups on the stairs when we were ready.
Heavybag was duct-tape over canvas and we were encouraged to hit it w/out gloves - so nothing crazy hard like a sandbag or a makiwara, but we had to have good structure or we'd roll our wrists.

i wouldent, but my knockles tend to get sore and cut,
so tougher knockles would be a soulution.

what is that in your sig??

it does

basically, it "breaks" your knuckle bones but to a little degree, so they heal for themselves while absorbing more calcium than normal

it does make them harder and even maybe a liiiiiittle bit bigger, but i wanna be a healthy old man, not a broken one, so no thanks lol

my knucles are harder now that i hit the heavy bag

what is that in your sig??

in a utube video of the ali vs foreman fight, at the end b4 the interview, that goes by the screan, i made a thread about it, but its jus the reflection of a person faceing the spot light.

it does

basically, it "breaks" your knuckle bones but to a little degree, so they heal for themselves while absorbing more calcium than normal

it does make them harder and even maybe a liiiiiittle bit bigger, but i wanna be a healthy old man, not a broken one, so no thanks lol

why, are there any effects that it has???

in a utube video of the ali vs foreman fight, at the end b4 the interview, that goes by the screan, i made a thread about it, but its jus the reflection of a person faceing the spot light.



why, are there any effects that it has???

It could possibly lead to arthritis.

why, are there any effects that it has???

well, of course. arthritis by definition is the excess of calcium deposited in your bones/joints. so yeah... if you punch sand, basically your doing what arthritis does to your body, but in a very small amount, so it won't be a problem at least while you're young

i'm not saying that it will guarantee you some form of arthritis, but it'll certainly take your chances higher

my trainer said it hardens your knockles.

is this true?????????

Yes, it is true.

It will toughen up your hands to an extent, and then it will cease to increase the density of your bone. Thats when you switch to gravel and then to iron shot (iron pellets that resemble bb's from a bb gun).

However, this will cause your hands to be rough and nasty feeling and you can also damage your knuckles badly if you do it wrong. I know how to do it but I am not permitted to share such knowledge of martial arts. :dunno:

One of Wai Hong's guys?
Aside from the good advice on the running thread, i knew there was a reason I liked yah. :D hehe

I was Jow Ga in DC.
School's floors were plywood, pushups everyday.
Jumping knuckle pushups on the stairs when we were ready.
Heavybag was duct-tape over canvas and we were encouraged to hit it w/out gloves - so nothing crazy hard like a sandbag or a makiwara, but we had to have good structure or we'd roll our wrists.

Yes, a blast from the past -- Nelson and Tak were the two I trained with the most.

I guess Tak's taken over the system now? I remember when he was doing his own thing.

Did you ever get to meet Paul Vizzio? Man that dude could fight...

I guess Tak's taken over the system now? I remember when he was doing his own thing.

Did you ever get to meet Paul Vizzio? Man that dude could fight...

I've been out of the loop for a while. The last I knew Tak was still on his own but was the heir apparent. I met Paul but never saw him work out or fight. He had a place in Jersey. I never went there.

Yes, it is true.

It will toughen up your hands to an extent, and then it will cease to increase the density of your bone. Thats when you switch to gravel and then to iron shot (iron pellets that resemble bb's from a bb gun).

However, this will cause your hands to be rough and nasty feeling and you can also damage your knuckles badly if you do it wrong. I know how to do it but I am not permitted to share such knowledge of martial arts. :dunno:

isn't that the basis of iron fist training ?

i think you need to put the sand/gravel in a big dish over fire then pound your hands into it really not the same with out the sand being 3 or 4 hundred degrees

in a utube video of the ali vs foreman fight, at the end b4 the interview, that goes by the screan, i made a thread about it, but its jus the reflection of a person faceing the spot light.



why, are there any effects that it has???

**** it looks like Michael Jackson hahaha.