View Full Version : Kosta Tszyu vs. Ricardo Mayorga


AKATheMack
11-18-2004, 04:35 AM
What would happen if these two met at 140 or 147? Would Tszyu be able to hit hard enough to keep Mayorga off. Tszyu hits hard but Mayorga did take Titos best and kept on comin, and would Tszyu be able to handle Mayorgas power. Probably never see it but I would like to see this fight more than any other.

acquitted
11-18-2004, 07:45 AM
mayorga by knockout...these 2 styles clash and it wouldnt be a 12 rounder

jabsRstiff
11-18-2004, 08:20 AM
Mayorga would walk through Tszyu.

No question that Kostya is the better fighter, but you're talking about him facing a far bigger, stronger fighter.

guru
11-18-2004, 08:43 AM
hhhmmmmm, at 147 mayo is the fav, but zoo is a live underdog.... zoo can box when he wants too(tackie fight).... i dont see zoo at 154....

tony
11-18-2004, 09:04 AM
Mayorga by knockout.

Will we ever see him box again?

pinkpanther
11-18-2004, 09:07 AM
I think it would have to be at 147 because I don't think Mayorga could make 140 - potentially good fight. A small point Mayorga clearly did not take all Tito's best shots and keep on coming as he got stopped. Mayorga is a really frustrating guy, I feel that if somebody had got hold of him 2 years ago and been able to disipline him he could have been a great.

DLT
11-18-2004, 09:51 AM
All you guys know is power. You probally seen me on these forums picking Floyd over Zoo so this is going to suprise you. No way Mayorga beats Zoo at 147 because plain and simple Zoo is the better fighter. I dont think you guys are doing enough thinking when it comes to this fight. It just seems like he's much bigger because he faught Tito at 160 but his natural weight is 147, and Zoo was a big 140. You guys must be forgetting the Spinks fight and he didnt look good in the Eric Mitchell fight before Tito on the Don King ppv. He argubaly didnt beat Forest the second time. At 147 his power wouldnt be that much greater than Zoo's if it is at all and after that he has no other advantage. P.S. Most of you would pick Zoo to beat Spinks and Zoo beat Forrest in the amatures. Doesnt mean nothing now but I still give him a good chance. So dont get caught up in this Mayorga is toobig and too strong crap because its false. He only had one fight at 160 and anyone who saw that fight could tell that the weight was too much for him. He was in good shape and still couldnt even breathe because of all the weight

mic573
11-18-2004, 09:57 AM
I think Tszyu could handle 147 easy and still be strong and powerful. Mayorga has a great chin and power but that's about it. Tszyu has everything good chin, pretty good defense, much better skills and can hit just as hard as Mayorga in my opinion. I think once again Mayorga shows a great chin in a losing effort. Tszyu by decision and it wouldn't surprise me if it was a late stoppage.

jabsRstiff
11-18-2004, 10:13 AM
All you guys know is power. You probally seen me on these forums picking Floyd over Zoo so this is going to suprise you. No way Mayorga beats Zoo at 147 because plain and simple Zoo is the better fighter. I dont think you guys are doing enough thinking when it comes to this fight. It just seems like he's much bigger because he faught Tito at 160 but his natural weight is 147, and Zoo was a big 140. You guys must be forgetting the Spinks fight and he didnt look good in the Eric Mitchell fight before Tito on the Don King ppv. He argubaly didnt beat Forest the second time. At 147 his power wouldnt be that much greater than Zoo's if it is at all and after that he has no other advantage. P.S. Most of you would pick Zoo to beat Spinks and Zoo beat Forrest in the amatures. Doesnt mean nothing now but I still give him a good chance. So dont get caught up in this Mayorga is toobig and too strong crap because its false. He only had one fight at 160 and anyone who saw that fight could tell that the weight was too much for him. He was in good shape and still couldnt even breathe because of all the weight

DLT....

You're insulting people who think Mayorga would be too big & strong for Mayorga....while NEVER having seen Kstya Tszyu fight at 140.
That's pretty asinine.

DLT
11-18-2004, 11:29 AM
DLT....

You're insulting people who think Mayorga would be too big & strong for Mayorga....while NEVER having seen Kstya Tszyu fight at 140.
That's pretty asinine.
What are you talking about insulting people idiot? It's just my opinon. Clown, the point is I've seen Mayorga fight at 147 and I dont even think he would be that much stronger than Zoo if KT faught him weighing 140, so I definitly dont think he would be way stronger than Zoo at 147 espically since KT been at 140 his whole carrer. He's not new to the weight and trying to move up again like Floyd.

abdiel2k3
11-18-2004, 11:56 AM
against any top guy mayo comes up short
his krazee style may be effective for a couple of rounds but it wont win him any fihgts against top guys
KT fights the type of style that is perfect fpr tearen throw mayo
he throws short strait punches that would go strait down the pipe as mayo swings away like the idiot he is
Altho im not sure if mayo would get ko'd by KT
i mean ****
he took nasty shots from tito for 8 rounds
KT by lopsided UD

jabsRstiff
11-18-2004, 12:59 PM
What are you talking about insulting people idiot? It's just my opinon. Clown, the point is I've seen Mayorga fight at 147 and I dont even think he would be that much stronger than Zoo if KT faught him weighing 140, so I definitly dont think he would be way stronger than Zoo at 147 espically since KT been at 140 his whole carrer. He's not new to the weight and trying to move up again like Floyd.


I will quote you, wise-ass...

"All you guys know is power"
"I don't think you are doing enough thinking...."
".....too caught up in this Mayorga is too strong & too big crap, because it's false."

There you go.

I got news for you on the strength factor...
Kostya got out-strengthed & outpunched by Vince Phillips.....a year after Phillips was physically overwhelmed by the 147lber, Ike Quartey.

Now...Kostya has NEVER shown he's strong enough to handle a 140lber.
Got any proof otherwise ?
All you have is speculation, & that's why I'm telling you your CONDESCENDING attitude on this subject is insulting.

tino
11-18-2004, 01:04 PM
against any top guy mayo comes up short
his krazee style may be effective for a couple of rounds but it wont win him any fihgts against top guys
KT fights the type of style that is perfect fpr tearen throw mayo
he throws short strait punches that would go strait down the pipe as mayo swings away like the idiot he is
Altho im not sure if mayo would get ko'd by KT
i mean ****
he took nasty shots from tito for 8 rounds
KT by lopsided UD
perfect post. i agree

Eman
11-18-2004, 01:19 PM
I dont see zoo knocking out mayo at all. mayo didnt even belong at 160 and took the punches and kept comin. I think he was hurt by the second free shot in the first round but he played it off nice. Trinidads power and Zoos are not a comparison.

guru
11-18-2004, 01:25 PM
i think zoo could outbox mayo pretty easy, if he chose to do so...

jabsRstiff
11-18-2004, 01:40 PM
i think zoo could outbox mayo pretty easy, if he chose to do so...


well....if he would want to keep his head attatched to his shoulders, he'd box Mayorga.

m00ks
11-18-2004, 02:52 PM
What are you talking about insulting people idiot? It's just my opinon. Clown, the point is I've seen Mayorga fight at 147 and I dont even think he would be that much stronger than Zoo if KT faught him weighing 140, so I definitly dont think he would be way stronger than Zoo at 147 espically since KT been at 140 his whole carrer. He's not new to the weight and trying to move up again like Floyd.

Phillips showed that if you hit Zoo hard enough, he'd get hurt. Mayorga can hit hard. Very hard specially at 147. So yah, I'll go with the pink haired wild man.

jack_the_rippuh
11-18-2004, 04:26 PM
Didn't Sharmba Mitchell have Tzsyu hurt once in the fight? I didn't see it, but I read it..

stu
11-18-2004, 04:30 PM
Didn't Sharmba Mitchell have Tzsyu hurt once in the fight? I didn't see it, but I read it..

For about the first 90 seconds of the first round I thought Sharmba was in control, but I don't think he really had Kostya hurt.

Hurlex
11-18-2004, 04:40 PM
this thread pisses me off (but not in a bad way it just i know this fight will not happen)..KT cant box mayorga..mayorga at 154 and below can rule if he comes in like he did vs tito,,,i think mayorga would catch KT and ko him or tko him since KT has so much heart...mayorga at 147 was great...its no hard to connect on KT either so remember that

stu
11-18-2004, 05:00 PM
I will be interested to see if the Trinidad fight has affected Mayorga in any way. I can't imagine him changing his style in any way, but I will be interested to see if he has the same heart to take so much punishment.

abdiel2k3
11-18-2004, 05:19 PM
Didn't Sharmba Mitchell have Tzsyu hurt once in the fight? I didn't see it, but I read it..

ummmm
i wouldnt call it hurt
but stunned for like a sec or two
but KT quickly regained his composre
it happened couple times
so if KT gets nailed by a power puncher he might go down
or atleast get in serious danger
but i just dont think mayo has the skill to land a clean blow on KT altho if he did he could cause some damage

DLT
11-18-2004, 05:38 PM
Phillips showed that if you hit Zoo hard enough, he'd get hurt. Mayorga can hit hard. Very hard specially at 147. So yah, I'll go with the pink haired wild man.
What are you talking about? Mayorga's been KTFO also and I'm talking about before Tito. He's also lost to two other bums and im not talking about Spinks. I remeber a reporter saying one time that he was suprised by the Forrest fight because Mayorga was involved with two of the worst and most boring fights he's ever seen

VPDJ
11-18-2004, 05:40 PM
Zoo will bet Mayorga

DLT
11-18-2004, 05:41 PM
this thread pisses me off (but not in a bad way it just i know this fight will not happen)..KT cant box mayorga..mayorga at 154 and below can rule if he comes in like he did vs tito,,,i think mayorga would catch KT and ko him or tko him since KT has so much heart...mayorga at 147 was great...its no hard to connect on KT either so remember that
Yeah like it's so hard to connect on Mayorga. and Zoo has power too

DLT
11-18-2004, 05:55 PM
I will quote you, wise-ass...

"All you guys know is power"
"I don't think you are doing enough thinking...."
".....too caught up in this Mayorga is too strong & too big crap, because it's false."

There you go.

I got news for you on the strength factor...
Kostya got out-strengthed & outpunched by Vince Phillips.....a year after Phillips was physically overwhelmed by the 147lber, Ike Quartey.

Now...Kostya has NEVER shown he's strong enough to handle a 140lber.
Got any proof otherwise ?
All you have is speculation, & that's why I'm telling you your CONDESCENDING attitude on this subject is insulting.
How you going to call me wisa ass for repeating what you said? You did say he was to strong and powerful for Zoo and you still say it. My opinion matters just as much as your's. As for the rest read my other response before this to hear what I said about Mayo being KO too. Every time someone has a loss people always wants to bring it up. Im sure you realize that Zoo is a better fighter now. As far as Phillips and Quartey goes, Ike was a animal so thats not a bad thing. Im sure you agree that Ike would kill Mayorga. And what do you mean Koysta hasnt shown that he's strong enough to handle the 140 pounders? The guy has dominated the division and just manhandled the #2 guy. When everyone talks about Zoo they talk about his strength.

Knicksman20
11-18-2004, 06:04 PM
KT was hurt in the 1st fight with Mitchell. KT doesn't have the power to hurt Mayo. He should be able to outbox Mayo, but if Mayo lands he could really hurt him. KT isn't a mover like Spinks so he won't be able get in & out in order to out box him. If KT can't out-muscle you, he doesn't have the advantage to win the fight. He comes in weighing like a Jr. Middleweight so of course he's going to overpower 140 pounders.But he's fighting a naturally bigger, stronger man who could hurt him more than Vince Philips. KT chin wouldn't hold up against a banger like Mayorga. If Mayorga could take a beat down from a puncher like Tito, KT's power shouldn't be too much for him to handle.

m00ks
11-18-2004, 07:03 PM
What are you talking about? Mayorga's been KTFO also and I'm talking about before Tito. He's also lost to two other bums and im not talking about Spinks. I remeber a reporter saying one time that he was suprised by the Forrest fight because Mayorga was involved with two of the worst and most boring fights he's ever seen


Lol Getting KTFO in his fist pro match is not that bad. givem a break lol

m00ks
11-18-2004, 07:05 PM
KT was hurt in the 1st fight with Mitchell. KT doesn't have the power to hurt Mayo. He should be able to outbox Mayo, but if Mayo lands he could really hurt him. KT isn't a mover like Spinks so he won't be able get in & out in order to out box him. If KT can't out-muscle you, he doesn't have the advantage to win the fight. He comes in weighing like a Jr. Middleweight so of course he's going to overpower 140 pounders.But he's fighting a naturally bigger, stronger man who could hurt him more than Vince Philips. KT chin wouldn't hold up against a banger like Mayorga. If Mayorga could take a beat down from a puncher like Tito, KT's power shouldn't be too much for him to handle.

After eating Trinidad's punches, KT might tickle him.

freirui
11-18-2004, 08:40 PM
Tszyu by knockout.

bigdlb12
11-18-2004, 08:50 PM
[size7]MAYO VIA KO[size7/]

bigdlb12
11-18-2004, 08:50 PM
Mayo via KO

FrankJack
11-18-2004, 09:02 PM
I see no possible way for Mayorga to win a fight against Tszyu......I don't see that even going the distance. Kostya'll probably go to Ricardo's body and make it a quicker fight than Tito did.

phallus
11-18-2004, 09:05 PM
i suspect Tszyu would punch inside Mayorga;s wide shots, KT may not be the bigger puncher than mayo but he is a more accurate puncher. i think he'll knock mayo out

trinidadpr87
11-18-2004, 09:06 PM
I see no possible way for Mayorga to win a fight against Tszyu......I don't see that even going the distance. Kostya'll probably go to Ricardo's body and make it a quicker fight than Tito did.
wow no possible way.as long as mayorga has 2 arms he will ko tszyu.

FrankJack
11-19-2004, 12:53 AM
I can give Ricardo a chance if he had decent technique...but son is just sloppy. If he had technique it'd turn out to be a good fight, but he doesn't....I just see him gettin done like Tito did him.

FrankJack
11-19-2004, 12:54 AM
My bad, I mean similarly to how Tito did Mayorga. Kostya's not as strong, so it won't really be all the same.

AKATheMack
11-19-2004, 01:28 AM
There actually isnt a whole lot of size difference between the two, Mayorga has really only fought at 140 and 147, and Tszyu has been at 140 for awhile Im almost positive if Mayorga actually trained he could make 140 again its not that hes too big to make it just too lazy. My personal opinion is that Mayorga would catch him but I this is the only fight I would really love to see against two fighters who actually still box.

oldgringo
11-19-2004, 01:43 AM
This really isn't even a fair fight. Mayorga was an animal at 147 and had stamina/chin/power up the wazoo. We haven't seen KT at 147 so theres no reason to believe that he'd be anything special. Mayorga would KO Tszyu in a rather brutal fashion inside of 8 rounds. Ask Vernon about outboxing the 147 pound version of Mayorga...only Spinks was really able to do this to Mayo and it was because he satyed way away from him the whole fight. KT isn't anywhere near as elusive as Spinks. Mayo would laugh at KT's punching power.

Zab Super Judah
11-19-2004, 02:48 AM
this would be a very interesting fight at 147 but noway kostya wins......mayorga has too much power at 147....and it would come down to who has the better chin......which is obviously mayorga anyway mayorga is returning to fight at 154 now.......id like to see mayorga vs cintron/margarito

DLT
11-19-2004, 09:25 AM
I cant believe all you guys think Zoo's such a monster at 140 but if he moves up he'll turn to a no power wimp. He's been at 140 his whole life. I think he can carry the weight and be just as strong as Mayorga

lsk
11-19-2004, 10:18 AM
Mayroga all the way

Knicksman20
11-19-2004, 06:17 PM
After eating Trinidad's punches, KT might tickle him.


LOL!!! I would think so too!!!

MetalVomit
11-19-2004, 06:47 PM
Mayroga all the way





worst post ever. at 147 would Kostya be stronger than Mayo? yes. Does Kostya have a betterchin than Tito? **** yes. would he manhandle Mayorga? With ease.

m00ks
11-19-2004, 07:42 PM
worst post ever. at 147 would Kostya be stronger than Mayo? yes. Does Kostya have a betterchin than Tito? **** yes. would he manhandle Mayorga? With ease.

Wow we're talking about Kostya Tsyu not Clark Kent.

neostars
11-19-2004, 11:48 PM
Mayorga is a powerful guy, but he throws too many wild punches.
I see the fight being tough but going Kostya way. Kostya throws much more accurate power punches and is way smarter.
Kostya punches will go inside Mayorga wild punch most of the time, plus (his sparring partners say he punches as hard as a middleweight).
Mayorga can hurt Kostya no doubt, But that doesnt mean Kostya doesnt have a great chin. Cause Mayorga can hurt anyone up to 154.
Dont let the Vince Phillips lost fool u. That was about 9 years ago, and Kostya is now a much more smart and powerful boxer.
If u saw the Vince Phillips fight, Kostya was taking alot of huge punches from Vince Phillips, and it did not seem to hurt him until the tenth round. Where he lost, because of fatigue.
After the fight, Kostya said he learned from his mistake, and that he will take his training to a new level.
His results speak for itself. Undispute Junior welterweight world champion.

dpfinley
11-20-2004, 12:19 AM
This fight will never happen, regardless of whether Mayorga stays retired or not. He would never be able to drop down to that weight. It would be a 140 and a 160 meeting in the middle ... doubt it.

MetalVomit
11-20-2004, 12:36 AM
Wow we're talking about Kostya Tsyu not Clark Kent.


you always have good things to say on this forum, how do you not think that Tszyu would destroy mayorga? Mayo swings wildly, stands right there and basically begs to be hit. How would Kostya not easily destroy Mayorga?

SweetScience
11-20-2004, 01:00 AM
Mayorga would win.

Tszyu is a more skilled fighter while Mayorga is a brawler that can bang and take some. Mayorga manhandled Forrest who exposed Mosley. Tszyu's easy to hit and Mayorga can punch! Tszyu would also be giving up 2 or 3 inches in height as well reach. Mayorga's weight is 147 he will not run out of gas like he did at 160. I dont think Tszyu can hurt Mayorga, he would have to exchange with Mayorga. Eventually Mayorga would catch Tszyu and score the KO.

AKATheMack
11-20-2004, 04:19 AM
This isnt 140 and 160 meeting in the middle its 140 and 140-147. Kosta is THE man in the toughest division in boxing so I would say with the success of others with less talent moving up he should be able to add 7 pounds and still be quite effective. I would agree that Mayorga hits harder and has a better chin, but Kosta is lightyears ahead in boxing technique and skill. I think Tyson hit harder and had a better chin than Lennox did but if you cant catch 'em you cant hurt 'em. Like I said I still pick Mayorga but I think Kosta is getting a little underrated.