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Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 09:26 AM
Third installment:


The Featherweights

1. Alexis Arguello 1,634-299-67 (1,227) .834
2. Willie Pep 1,546-397-57 (601) .787
3. Jem Driscoll 1,418-501-81 (696) .729
4. Abe Attell 1,339-538-123 (524) .700
5. Salvador Sanchez 1,334-588-78 (757) .687
6. Sandy Saddler 1,321-632-47 (1,062) .672
7. Manny Pacquiao 1,295-664-41 (1,089) .658
8. Vincente Saldivar 1,198-752-50 (924) .612
9. Marco Antonio Barrera 1,120-804-76 (734) .579
10. Kid Chocolate 955-952-93 (460) .501
11. Young Griffo 908-960-132 (266) .487
12. Eusebio Pedrosa 879-1,027-94 (470) .463
13. Johnny Kilbane 817-1,057-126 (278) .440
14. Naseem Hamed 812-1,126-62 (566) .422
15. Juan Manuel Marquez 752-1,196-52 (483) .389
16. Kevin Kelly 716-1,237-47 (466) .370
17. Danny Lopez 642-1,338-20 (530) .326
18. Juan LaPorte 587-1,362-51 (361) .306
19. Sergio Palma 496-1,434-70 (214) .266
20. Oscar Larios 330-1,641-29 (224) .172
21. Israel Vasquez 188-1,782-30 (108) .102

GJC
07-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Huge fan of Arguello but don't know about him being above Pep though. Maybe let him have it this month without arguing under the circumstances

Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Huge fan of Arguello but don't know about him being above Pep though. Maybe let him have it this month without arguing under the circumstances

The program, of course, is completely unaware of Alexis' recent passing.

Poet

GJC
07-09-2009, 11:41 AM
Third installment:


The Featherweights

1. Alexis Arguello 1,634-299-67 (1,227) .834
2. Willie Pep 1,546-397-57 (601) .787
3. Jem Driscoll 1,418-501-81 (696) .729
4. Abe Attell 1,339-538-123 (524) .700
5. Salvador Sanchez 1,334-588-78 (757) .687
6. Sandy Saddler 1,321-632-47 (1,062) .672
7. Manny Pacquiao 1,295-664-41 (1,089) .658
8. Vincente Saldivar 1,198-752-50 (924) .612
9. Marco Antonio Barrera 1,120-804-76 (734) .579
10. Kid Chocolate 955-952-93 (460) .501
11. Young Griffo 908-960-132 (266) .487
12. Eusebio Pedrosa 879-1,027-94 (470) .463
13. Johnny Kilbane 817-1,057-126 (278) .440
14. Naseem Hamed 812-1,126-62 (566) .422
15. Juan Manuel Marquez 752-1,196-52 (483) .389
16. Kevin Kelly 716-1,237-47 (466) .370
17. Danny Lopez 642-1,338-20 (530) .326
18. Juan LaPorte 587-1,362-51 (361) .306
19. Sergio Palma 496-1,434-70 (214) .266
20. Oscar Larios 330-1,641-29 (224) .172
21. Israel Vasquez 188-1,782-30 (108) .102
Nice to see Jem Driscoll ranked so high, maybe a little too high but considering in another forum naming great British fighters don't think he got a mention. By myself included! Personally wouldn't have him above Saddler and Sanchez but its a personal thing as always

GJC
07-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Did you pick the fighters to put in? Just noticed no Armstrong? Would be curious where he would figure and in Lightweights too.

Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 11:51 AM
Did you pick the fighters to put in? Just noticed no Armstrong? Would be curious where he would figure and in Lightweights too.

Yes, I did pick the fighters to make up the field of 21. Armstrong is in with the Welterweights. Only one fighter is in with multiple weight classes: Robinson at Welterweight and Middleweight. It's a singular honor bestowed soley on Ray Robinson as the best fighter p4p ever.

PS. Pepp beat Arguello in their head to head matchup btw: 52-40-8.

Poet

GJC
07-09-2009, 11:57 AM
I must admit I have an irrational bias towards Pep. Incidently remember now, you only have him at 20 pfp atg?????

Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 11:59 AM
I must admit I have an irrational bias towards Pep. Incidently remember now, you only have him at 20 pfp atg?????

Something like that.....I have to admit my p4p ratings were done more "on-the-fly" than my rankings in weight classes were.

Poet

GJC
07-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Something like that.....I have to admit my p4p ratings were done more "on-the-fly" than my rankings in weight classes were.

Poet
Must say I was suprised, considering as well you are one of the posters that can see beyond KO%'s and all this racking up multi titles. Have to confess don't think I have attempted mine so can't criticise really, Pep would have to make my top 10 though.

Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 12:10 PM
Must say I was suprised, considering as well you are one of the posters that can see beyond KO%'s and all this racking up multi titles. Have to confess don't think I have attempted mine so can't criticise really, Pep would have to make my top 10 though.

My p4p ratings were more of an after-thought done in response to someone elses thread. I didn't put anywhere near the time and thought in that I did with the other lists.

Poet

RingSlam
07-09-2009, 07:23 PM
why are you doing these turd tournaments poet? they prove nothing and you are just basically randoming who wins out of a hat.

you just continue to block the history up with these turd tournaments.

give it a miss will you.

Ziggy Stardust
07-09-2009, 08:02 PM
why are you doing these turd tournaments poet? they prove nothing and you are just basically randoming who wins out of a hat.

you just continue to block the history up with these turd tournaments.

give it a miss will you.

Well Tunney's alt, if you don't like them don't read them. BTW, Kurt Angle is a butt pirate. It's true. Oh, it's DAMN true.

Poet

GJC
07-09-2009, 08:10 PM
why are you doing these turd tournaments poet? they prove nothing and you are just basically randoming who wins out of a hat.

you just continue to block the history up with these turd tournaments.

give it a miss will you.
True they don't really prove much but are fun and are more boxing based than a lot of stuff that gets started on here.

Ziggy Stardust
07-10-2009, 11:15 AM
Bump......

Ziggy Stardust
07-11-2009, 10:51 AM
Bump......

DonTaseMeBrah
08-01-2009, 04:41 AM
i think the old school guys get too much of the benefit of the doubt.

comparing old school greats vs new school greats;incredible bias for oldschool greats vs the modern greats.

it happens it a lot of sports but significantly in boxing.

what simulation program u use poet? could you post the programs boxing attribute ratings?

D-MiZe
08-01-2009, 04:49 AM
Barrera should be higher than Pac tbh.

Ziggy Stardust
08-01-2009, 11:20 AM
i think the old school guys get too much of the benefit of the doubt.

comparing old school greats vs new school greats;incredible bias for oldschool greats vs the modern greats.

it happens it a lot of sports but significantly in boxing.

what simulation program u use poet? could you post the programs boxing attribute ratings?

Well, considering way too many under 30 posters automatically assume that the current crop is the best ever because they're the latest (you know, every generatin is exponentially better than the previous one BS?).

The program used is Title Bout II. Which fighters did you want to see the attributes for?

Poet

McGoorty
09-14-2011, 04:05 PM
Third installment:


The Featherweights

1. Alexis Arguello 1,634-299-67 (1,227) .834
2. Willie Pep 1,546-397-57 (601) .787
3. Jem Driscoll 1,418-501-81 (696) .729
4. Abe Attell 1,339-538-123 (524) .700
5. Salvador Sanchez 1,334-588-78 (757) .687
6. Sandy Saddler 1,321-632-47 (1,062) .672
7. Manny Pacquiao 1,295-664-41 (1,089) .658
8. Vincente Saldivar 1,198-752-50 (924) .612
9. Marco Antonio Barrera 1,120-804-76 (734) .579
10. Kid Chocolate 955-952-93 (460) .501
11. Young Griffo 908-960-132 (266) .487
12. Eusebio Pedrosa 879-1,027-94 (470) .463
13. Johnny Kilbane 817-1,057-126 (278) .440
14. Naseem Hamed 812-1,126-62 (566) .422
15. Juan Manuel Marquez 752-1,196-52 (483) .389
16. Kevin Kelly 716-1,237-47 (466) .370
17. Danny Lopez 642-1,338-20 (530) .326
18. Juan LaPorte 587-1,362-51 (361) .306
19. Sergio Palma 496-1,434-70 (214) .266
20. Oscar Larios 330-1,641-29 (224) .172
21. Israel Vasquez 188-1,782-30 (108) .102
How do I work out all those numbers ??... what do they all mean ????..... excuse my ignorance.

McGoorty
09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
Barrera should be higher than Pac tbh.
News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pacman beat the stuffin' out 'o him.

Ziggy Stardust
09-14-2011, 09:10 PM
How do I work out all those numbers ??... what do they all mean ????..... excuse my ignorance.

It breaks down like this:
Wins-Losses-Draws-(Knockouts)-Winning Percentage

McGoorty
09-15-2011, 03:27 PM
i think the old school guys get too much of the benefit of the doubt.

comparing old school greats vs new school greats;incredible bias for oldschool greats vs the modern greats.

it happens it a lot of sports but significantly in boxing.

what simulation program u use poet? could you post the programs boxing attribute ratings?
What are you dribbling about ????.. I think that list is biased against the old-timers, you don't know what you are talking about. Just look at the names up the top, Sanchez and Arguello are extremely modern and they would have gotten some bad hidings amongst that lot.............. Learn your history.