View Full Version : Heart or chin, which is more important?


ranga227
07-04-2009, 05:18 AM
What do you think is more vital for a great fighter to have?

If a fighter has a ton of heart, but a glass jaw, he will likely be dropped many times, but you could always count on him to try and get up, even if he is badly hurt.

If a fighter has a solid chin, but not much heart, he will be hard to drop, but if he does get dropped, he might not be 100% in the fight anymore and would be in there to survive more than fight.

Which do you think is more important?

RightCross94
07-04-2009, 06:12 AM
a solid jaw is more important

mickey malone
07-04-2009, 08:12 AM
Lamb & Mint
Pork & Apple
Beef & Horsraddish
Chicken & Cranberry
Beer & Cigs
Heart & Chin

They all go hand in hand.. This question is tough.. But I've written HEART first...

#1Assassin
07-04-2009, 08:25 AM
heart. bcuz it isnt just used in the ring but in training. u need both, but heart is way more importnat than any other aspect of boxing. everyone knows that. i mean weather or not u have a good chin is irrelevant if u want to quit after a couple good shots to the body. and u will if your heart isnt there. a boxer can go some places with a weak chin, he cant go nowhere if he aint got no heart.

mickey malone
07-04-2009, 10:20 AM
heart. bcuz it isnt just used in the ring but in training. u need both, but heart is way more importnat than any other aspect of boxing. everyone knows that. i mean weather or not u have a good chin is irrelevant if u want to quit after a couple good shots to the body. and u will if your heart isnt there. a boxer can go some places with a weak chin, he cant go nowhere if he aint got no heart.
Agreed.... Very well put...

Miburo
07-04-2009, 11:03 AM
Probably chin, although heart can compensate for it in exceptional cases.

MANGLER
07-04-2009, 11:07 AM
Heart. Legit KO punchers are rare. Heart carries a fighter thru more than simply bein hit.

D-MiZe
07-04-2009, 12:00 PM
Chin.

Chin isn't something you can train for, it's something you're gifted with. Heart can be achieved through motivation. Everyone can be motivated in some way.

GJC
07-04-2009, 12:02 PM
I would say the chin, without a decent chin the fighter might not get the chance to prove his heart.

mickey malone
07-04-2009, 12:14 PM
I would say the chin, without a decent chin the fighter might not get the chance to prove his heart.
Trust you to piss on my fireworks lol

HHC has always been my combo (heart, handspeed, chin) cos every thing else can be trained & developed... That's what makes this a toughie..
However.... Take a look at ASSASSINS 1st post.. I do think he puts it rather well... MM

Benny Leonard
07-04-2009, 12:48 PM
Personally, I think "Heart" can be built since it is really "confidence" as well.

So....have a great chin and your confidence will boost which boosts your heart. Fear is the worst thing for "heart" and if you don't have a strong chin you may fear being hurt/ko'd.

Power: again, helps boost the "heart" because it is a confidence booster to know you have this great weapon. It can also keep you in a fight throughout even when losing because you have this feeling you can change the course of the fight with one big punch. Again, confidence booster = increased heart.

Condition: again, increases heart {symbolic} because your stamina is good to go the distance, can absorb punishment, etc. Fewer worries to deal with. Come in piss poor condition and your confidence which affects your "heart" goes down...which is the full meaning of "heart" since it is both symbolic and has to do with the actual health of the cardiovascular system.

And of course, follow the maturation process of growth both mentally and physically. Get experience. Experience is key to "heart"/Confidence. And it's better to start young so you can be broke down and rebuilt.

At least that is how I see it.

All attributes boost "heart."


I don't care how big your heart is, if you are 110 pounds, have asthma, have no muscle tone and have more estrogen in your body than testosterone, well, then you are going to get killed.

GJC
07-04-2009, 04:12 PM
Trust you to piss on my fireworks lol

HHC has always been my combo (heart, handspeed, chin) cos every thing else can be trained & developed... That's what makes this a toughie..
However.... Take a look at ASSASSINS 1st post.. I do think he puts it rather well... MM
He has a very valid point. Have seen so many fighters who seemed to have it all and then one tap on the chin and boom end of potential so do like to see a solid chin. Do think you can choose really you need both is the answer.

mickey malone
07-04-2009, 04:25 PM
He has a very valid point. Have seen so many fighters who seemed to have it all and then one tap on the chin and boom end of potential so do like to see a solid chin. Do think you can choose really you need both is the answer.
Sure.. You need both, to be a champ..

As for having it all, then getting tapped... Remember Errol Christie?

GJC
07-04-2009, 04:31 PM
Sure.. You need both, to be a champ..

As for having it all, then getting tapped... Remember Errol Christie?
Small world, that was the fighter that was in my mind when I wrote that comment. When I first saw Christie I thought wow this kid has the most talent I've seen in a British fighter since Conteh. Such a disappointment, well guess you remember lol

mickey malone
07-04-2009, 06:43 PM
Small world, that was the fighter that was in my mind when I wrote that comment. When I first saw Christie I thought wow this kid has the most talent I've seen in a British fighter since Conteh. Such a disappointment, well guess you remember lol
The family were from Coventry.. His brother Lloyd was the only blemish on Terry Marsh's record.. A 10 rnd draw that occurred during the early part of his career..
Errol peaked when he went over to America, & put on a master class in outpointing Sean Mannion, who was regrded as a contender at the time.. Christie was only about 22 then, & was all washed up about 2 years later.. He had everything bar the chin.. Was badly polaxed by Jose Seyes & Mark Kaylor & then went on to lose to a mate of mine, Ian Strudwick, who also fought Steve Collins & Chris Pyatt (both TKO loses)
Last time I heard, he was earning a small crust as a stand up comedian (no joke) as opposed to a horizontal one (joke) lol

Professional
07-05-2009, 01:56 AM
Obviously we can all agree that having both is essential but most likely WITHOUT heart, the "fighter" wouldn't even make it through training and onto the fight stage.

?枯葉剤?
07-05-2009, 02:28 AM
Heart, no doubt. Because according to Captain Planet it's comparable to Fire, Wind, Water, and Earth. [/thread]

F l i c k e r
07-05-2009, 02:41 AM
Heart, no doubt. Because according to Captain Planet it's comparable to Fire, Wind, Water, and Earth. [/thread]

best post ever in the history subforum.

TredKiller
07-05-2009, 10:17 AM
heart,
if you have heart, then you can get back up if knocked down

GJC
07-05-2009, 11:13 AM
heart,
if you have heart, then you can get back up if knocked down
I agree with your sentiment, but only if conscious surely?