there is a thin line between training effectively and over training what are some signs of over training

A lack of desire to train.

Sluggishness.

Headaches.

Muscle aches that dont seem to recover as quick as usual.

Poor comparable performance in measureable tasks such as running times, weight lifting.

I don't think there is a thin line between training effectivel yand overtraining. I think the line is vey thick and it is very hard to overtrain. Sometimes people who are not even training hard enough worry about overtraining! It's an urban myth as far as most people should be concerned as 99% of people who visit gyms are in no danger of overtraining. Only elite athletes who do intense training 2-3 times a day need to be careful to get enough rest

I don't think there is a thin line between training effectivel yand overtraining. I think the line is vey thick and it is very hard to overtrain. Sometimes people who are not even training hard enough worry about overtraining! It's an urban myth as far as most people should be concerned as 99% of people who visit gyms are in no danger of overtraining. Only elite athletes who do intense training 2-3 times a day need to be careful to get enough rest

Bingo. People mistake bad habbits with over training. Not getting enough rest is part of training and many people lack in that department. Unhealthy diet can lead to delayed muscle recovery because your body isnt getting enough protein and nutrition to repair. It is very very very difficult unless your train on the elite athlete level to over train. I bet you 9x if not 10 out of 10 of people who dont train on the elite athletic level are either lacking a sufficient diet and or not getting enough sleep and blame their fitness level or situation on over training.

Common warning signs of overtraining include:

* Washed-out feeling, tired, drained, lack of energy
* Mild leg soreness, general aches and pains
* Pain in muscles and joints
* Sudden drop in performance
* Insomnia
* Headaches
* Decreased immunity (increased number of colds, and sore throats)
* Decrease in training capacity / intensity
* Moodiness and irritability
* Depression
* Loss of enthusiasm for the sport
* Decreased appetite
* Increased incidence of injuries.
* A compulsive need to exercise

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everyone has their own boundaries

I agree leak but to be fair it's not that hard to overtrain if you do certain things.

For example, if have an intense workout and then don't eat properly, you're going to wake up sore as all hell. If you try to repeat the process... that's all it'll take to **** you up.

I'd say have an aggressive attitude toward training but also toward rest. Some trainers have two main goals before a fight, prepare the fighter for the fight and then also make sure the fighter's well rested.

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There's a difference between overtraining and steroid use.

and even a bigger difference between steroid use and photoshop.

A lack of desire to train.

Sluggishness.

Headaches.

Muscle aches that dont seem to recover as quick as usual.

Poor comparable performance in measureable tasks such as running times, weight lifting.

This is it in a nutshell.

Mackie shilstone says it's a difference of I think ten points your heart rate before you get out of bed and when you first stand up. Obviously this is very difficult for us to tell. Over training is not a myth. Pro fighters only train 5-6 weeks for a fight and then take a break. The first response was good. Listen to your body and don't go more then 8-10 weeks without a week off. Look for signs like not being able to keep your arms up like normal and persistently to much lactic acid. This is what I do. Real progress comes from consistency over years and this simply can not be done with out taking 1-2 week breaks. If you try working out year round you will be severely over trained and up taking months off which can lead to years.