I started this thread because we need to get more traffic in Aussie Boxing. Lets do it.

What are everyone's thoughts on this fight? It is a damn interesting one.

Who are you picking to win it and why?

What is your take on the whole catchweight issue? It looks now like they are going to fight at 145, with Cotto's 147 pound title on the line. Is that fair? How much of an effect will it have on Cotto given that he usually weighs in at 146 or 146 and a half?

I think the catch weight is a bit of a joke. I can understand why Roach is trying to make it at that weight, to give his fighter the advantage, but I think it should be at 147 just like the DLH fight.

I think even at 147 Pac will be a bit too quick for Cotto, but I don't see Pac blowing Cotto away like he did Hatton or DLH.

It will be interesting to see how Cotto handles Pac's style. That will be what the fight is about. We now know that Pac can offer us different angles etc.

I think it will be a good fight if it takes place, one that I will look forward to.

I do hope it is at 147.

There is no way in hell it is going to be at 147 brently. It is looking like 145 right now.

The thing is I am ok with it being a catchweight fight on two conditions:

1) Both fighters agree to the weight
2) Cotto's 147 pound title is not on the line

I was kind of surprised to see all the guys in NSB arguing for the WW title being put on the line if it is at a catchweight. How is it fair for a guy to have to put his 147 pound belt on the line yet he isn't even allowed to weigh in at 147? It confuses me.

I think it is going to be a really close fight. Obviously we know Pac is quicker than Cotto, and he can hurt him, but the true unknown factor is what damage Cotto can inflict on Manny. Cotto is a true 147 pounder. He punches hard, and Pac is yet to run up against that. Manny is hittable too, I;m definately not writing Cotto off in this fight at all.

I lean towards Cotto, though it's pretty much a 50/50 IMO.

Manny is very fast, and of course that improves his accuracy no matter who he faces, but I think Hatton's flaws have made Manny look a bit better than he is. I'm not saying that he's overrated or overhyped or whatever, just simply that Cotto does not have as many defensive shortcomings, and this style matchup doesn't favour Manny as much as the Hatton fight did.

Compared to Hatton, Cotto has a better boxing brain, better head movement, a better jab and more skill.

The last time Pacquiao took a solid shot was when he up against a super featherweight. How will he react when he has to take a flush punch from a welterweight? We simply don't know.

Part of why I'm picking Cotto is because there are questions about Pac going into this fight. Not about him as a boxer, but about him as a welterweight. Can Cotto hang with the best welters? We know for a fact that he can. Can Pac? We can only guess.

Cotto will be better than anyone that Pac has previously faced. Not in a p4p sense, perhaps, but then again this isn't a P4P fight...

I think the catch weight is a bit of a joke. I can understand why Roach is trying to make it at that weight, to give his fighter the advantage, but I think it should be at 147 just like the DLH fight.

I think even at 147 Pac will be a bit too quick for Cotto, but I don't see Pac blowing Cotto away like he did Hatton or DLH.

It will be interesting to see how Cotto handles Pac's style. That will be what the fight is about. We now know that Pac can offer us different angles etc.

I think it will be a good fight if it takes place, one that I will look forward to.

I do hope it is at 147.

is 145 more of an advantage for pacquiao or less a disadvantage?

it goes both ways.

is 145 more of an advantage for pacquiao or less a disadvantage?

it goes both ways.

advantage. Roach wouldn't be pushing for it if it was an advantage to Cotto. That would define logic.

I'm finding it hard to get set with this one.

For me Cotto has the potential to utilise all the advantages that DLH and Hatton were supposed to have. Cotto is a ****ing beast and his pressure fighting is based on good solid boxing. Cotto has handled speed before, and I think if he can make it through those early rounds where he's vulnerable, he'll have the durability and tenacity to wear Pac down.

Hope it's a war.

advantage. Roach wouldn't be pushing for it if it was an advantage to Cotto. That would define logic.

no mr. brent.

i'm asking if 145 is more an advantage for pacquiao OR less of a disadvantage for pacquiao.

one could argue that a 159 lb. cotto who weighs in at a 145 has pacquiao at a disadvantage.

but a 162 lb. cotto who weighs in at 147 is even more of a disadvantage for pacquiao.



ask yourself this......

after pacquiao won the 135 belt last year , would people even think pac is trying to get an by asking for a fight at 140? how many would even pick pac even at 140 a year ago?

manny is the same guy at 135 as he is at 140 or 147.

now a fight were pac goes up 5 lbs. from his current division and cotto goes down 2 is unfair?

145 is an advantage for PAC.

no mr. brent.

i'm asking if 145 is more an advantage for pacquiao OR less of a disadvantage for pacquiao.

one could argue that a 159 lb. cotto who weighs in at a 145 has pacquiao at a disadvantage.

but a 162 lb. cotto who weighs in at 147 is even more of a disadvantage for pacquiao.



ask yourself this......

after pacquiao won the 135 belt last year , would people even think pac is trying to get an by asking for a fight at 140? how many would even pick pac even at 140 a year ago?

manny is the same guy at 135 as he is at 140 or 147.

now a fight were pac goes up 5 lbs. from his current division and cotto goes down 2 is unfair?

Right now I can't pick a winner. The bigger Cotto will be dangerous especially if he can get inside. Manny will land lots of shots with his hand speed. Tactics will play a huge part in who wins and Roach certainly does his homework.
Should be a terrific fight.

Does anyone have an update on Miguel's training camp? I haven't been following the sport very closely lately.

Does anyone have an update on Miguel's training camp? I haven't been following the sport very closely lately.

The fight isn't even signed yet MG. What rock have you been under mate???

The mods are slipping big time around here son, time to get cracking.

This fight has got me unsure as to who will win...

O I know, I know.. but I'd have thought he'd have a replacement for his uncle by now... he didn't look as good in his last fight as he should have.. he needs someone legit in his corner ASAP.. you know Roach will have a game plan for Pac.. Cotto can't just wing it like he did against Clottey

I think Pac outboxes the Cotto that fought Clottey.. I'm usually impressed by Cotto but after the Clottey fight i'm now unsure.. I think Cotto looked better losing against Margarito then he did winning against Clottey.

I think Pac outboxes the Cotto that fought Clottey.. I'm usually impressed by Cotto but after the Clottey fight i'm now unsure.. I think Cotto looked better losing against Margarito then he did winning against Clottey.

I agree with you. I was a little disappointed in Miguel's performance against Clottey, however it is uncertain how much of it was attributable to the cut. It is also important to remember that Clottey is a world class WW. Technically, I think he is the best of them. His activity level lets him down and that was the difference in the end - Cotto was just prepared to throw more.


Good discussion on this fight. Personally I am leaning slightly towards Pac. He is just so damn fast it is hard to see how Cotto will be able to set himself to get his punches off without just getting hammered by those straight lefts and right hooks. Still, I give Cotto a very solid chance, providing he doesn't come in drained. He is definately the bigger puncher of the two and as Clegg said we know for a fact that he can hang with the best above 140, which is still an unknown factor in relation to Pacquiao.

I still don't know who I'm rooting for in this fight. Two of my current favourites. I might end up pulling for Cotto, but I'm not sure.

145 is an advantage for PAC.

so moving up 5 lbs. is an advantage for pacquiao?

okay.

so moving up 5 lbs. is an advantage for pacquiao?

okay.

You're missing the point. Bringing Cotto down to 145 rather than 147 is an advantage for PAC.

You're missing the point. Bringing Cotto down to 145 rather than 147 is an advantage for PAC.

It could end up well being a massive advantage to Pacquiao.

I love the way people are just assuming Cotto will be fine to make 145 easy. How do they know this? I just hope Cotto doesn't come in drained as fuk and we have a repeat of Pac-Oscar where Pac beats up on a stationary object.

It could end up well being a massive advantage to Pacquiao.

I love the way people are just assuming Cotto will be fine to make 145 easy. How do they know this? I just hope Cotto doesn't come in drained as fuk and we have a repeat of Pac-Oscar where Pac beats up on a stationary object.

I agree. People just don't get it. There was talk of cotto fighting at 154 not so long ago because he was having trouble with 147.

If Pac fought DLH at 147 then he should fight Cotto at 147. It is that simple, Cotto is a welterweight and if Roach doesn't want Pac fighting at 147 then he should be looking at fighters in the 140 Division.
I really like Roach, but I think he is taking the piss fighting for a catch weight.
And if Pac beats Cotto, his people will say the 145 catch weight was a problem for them. Which could be true

I agree. People just don't get it. There was talk of cotto fighting at 154 not so long ago because he was having trouble with 147.

If Pac fought DLH at 147 then he should fight Cotto at 147. It is that simple, Cotto is a welterweight and if Roach doesn't want Pac fighting at 147 then he should be looking at fighters in the 140 Division.
I really like Roach, but I think he is taking the piss fighting for a catch weight.
And if Pac beats Cotto, his people will say the 145 catch weight was a problem for them. Which could be true

All of this is correct.

I used to like Roach, not anymore though. I dunno, this last year or so with Manny's meteoric rise it just seems like Roach has become a bit full of himself for my liking. The parts of the 24/7 series when he is on are probably my least favourite. I dunno, it could just be that I am sick of that story now.

Exactly, Cotto apparently has problems making 147 on occasion. Two pounds is very significant to a guy who has to cut big and struggle just to make 147. I'm not happy about the catchweight, but I have accepted it. THere seems no way the fight will get done at 147.

I guess if Manny and Floyd ever fight it will be the same, probably a catchweight of 144/145.

Fuk it, why even have weight classes? Lets just leave it open to a free negotiating process for each individual bout.

All of this is correct.

I used to like Roach, not anymore though. I dunno, this last year or so with Manny's meteoric rise it just seems like Roach has become a bit full of himself for my liking. The parts of the 24/7 series when he is on are probably my least favourite. I dunno, it could just be that I am sick of that story now.

Exactly, Cotto apparently has problems making 147 on occasion. Two pounds is very significant to a guy who has to cut big and struggle just to make 147. I'm not happy about the catchweight, but I have accepted it. THere seems no way the fight will get done at 147.

I guess if Manny and Floyd ever fight it will be the same, probably a catchweight of 144/145.

Fuk it, why even have weight classes? Lets just leave it open to a free negotiating process for each individual bout.

yeah it is getting a bit of a joke now.

yeah it is getting a bit of a joke now.

Yeah, even Juan Diaz-Paulie Malignaggi is at a catchweight. It's gone too far.

All of this is correct.

I used to like Roach, not anymore though. I dunno, this last year or so with Manny's meteoric rise it just seems like Roach has become a bit full of himself for my liking. The parts of the 24/7 series when he is on are probably my least favourite. I dunno, it could just be that I am sick of that story now.

Exactly, Cotto apparently has problems making 147 on occasion. Two pounds is very significant to a guy who has to cut big and struggle just to make 147. I'm not happy about the catchweight, but I have accepted it. THere seems no way the fight will get done at 147.

I agree with this.

Roach is a guy who, despite having a serious condition that was possibly caused by boxing, wants to put other boxers in increased danger by having them come down to a weight that may be unhealthy for them.

The impact of a punch upon a dehydrated brain is very serious. Boxing is a dangerous sport already, without adding to it.

Roach has become like the Frank Warren/Bob Arum/Don King of trainers. Khan-Barrera was another example. I know that this is how boxing works, the young beat up the old, big guys beat up smaller guys, and prospects get more credit than they deserve. But I guess it just surprises me to see it from a trainer.

I lean towards Cotto, though it's pretty much a 50/50 IMO.

Manny is very fast, and of course that improves his accuracy no matter who he faces, but I think Hatton's flaws have made Manny look a bit better than he is. I'm not saying that he's overrated or overhyped or whatever, just simply that Cotto does not have as many defensive shortcomings, and this style matchup doesn't favour Manny as much as the Hatton fight did.

Compared to Hatton, Cotto has a better boxing brain, better head movement, a better jab and more skill.

The last time Pacquiao took a solid shot was when he up against a super featherweight. How will he react when he has to take a flush punch from a welterweight? We simply don't know.

Part of why I'm picking Cotto is because there are questions about Pac going into this fight. Not about him as a boxer, but about him as a welterweight. Can Cotto hang with the best welters? We know for a fact that he can. Can Pac? We can only guess.

Cotto will be better than anyone that Pac has previously faced. Not in a p4p sense, perhaps, but then again this isn't a P4P fight...

yeah, agreed

I agree too.
There are too many catchweights going on at the moment.The future hall of famers should fight at the specified weight divisions if they want to truly cement their names in boxing history.

yeah it is getting a bit of a joke now.

lets say its was erik morales whos fighting cotto at 145 catch weight. team morales wants the fight @ 145. would you criticize erik and his team or would you support it?

lets say its was erik morales whos fighting cotto at 145 catch weight. team morales wants the fight @ 145. would you criticize erik and his team or would you support it?

We're not talking about Morales, so that statement is redundant. Don't try and turn it around.

We're not talking about Morales, so that statement is redundant. Don't try and turn it around.


lets say the one whos fighting at 145 catch weight vs cotto is your favorite boxer. are you against it or not?

lets say erik beat diaz at 135. moved up to 147 and beat oscar. moved down to 140 and beat hatton. his next fight is catch weight of 145. are you gonna be pissed of or youre just gonna leave it to them to negotiate?

I have to say in defence of this is that a fighter can only go so high in weights before he will be come ineffective.
That's where a catchweight has to come in to place.

Pac's extreme limit surely must be between 140 and 147.I mean how high a division is he expected to climb?

lets say the one whos fighting at 145 catch weight vs cotto is your favorite boxer. are you against it or not?

lets say erik beat diaz at 135. moved up to 147 and beat oscar. moved down to 140 and beat hatton. his next fight is catch weight of 145. are you gonna be pissed of or youre just gonna leave it to them to negotiate?

I would. Now get over it.

Yeah, even Juan Diaz-Paulie Malignaggi is at a catchweight. It's gone too far.



I agree with this.

Roach is a guy who, despite having a serious condition that was possibly caused by boxing, wants to put other boxers in increased danger by having them come down to a weight that may be unhealthy for them.

The impact of a punch upon a dehydrated brain is very serious. Boxing is a dangerous sport already, without adding to it.

Roach has become like the Frank Warren/Bob Arum/Don King of trainers. Khan-Barrera was another example. I know that this is how boxing works, the young beat up the old, big guys beat up smaller guys, and prospects get more credit than they deserve. But I guess it just surprises me to see it from a trainer.

hit the nail on the head