How come some Filipino's have Spanish/Euro style surnames?

colonize by spain..

colonize by spain..

ah, ok, now i understand

colonize by spain..

Yep, surnames were assigned for tax collection purposes, in 1849-1850.
Prior to that, your typical Filipino, even after being baptized Christian,
would only be known by a first name, with an informal "descriptive" just
like Medieval European commoners:

Juan "Tanda" (Juan the Old)
Juan "Bata" (Juan the Young)
Juan "Tangkad" (Juan the Tall)
Juan "Maliit" (Juan the Small)
Juan "de San Juan" (Juan, from San Juan)
Juan "Tamad" (Juan the Lazy)

A person's "descriptive" could and did change over time, making it very
difficult for governemnt to form and maintain a census, until an official
list of surnames was provided --geographically allocated-- for citizens
to choose from, once and for all. Wealthy or old-nobility Filipino natives
were allowed to keep their current descriptives (Dula, Makapagal,
Magsaysay, Salunga, Pinpin, Panganiban etc.). Many natives chose
surnames that weren't really offered, but the tax collectors still got
what they wanted: a solid checklist.

If you know a Filipino with a surname in Tagalog, Bisaya, Ilokano or
other native language, they may be descended from native nobility ...
or else their ancestors simply weren't reached by the 1849
census-and-renaming.

:)
h.

How come some Filipino's have Spanish/Euro style surnames?

some?

most i think.

a lot of chinese last names too.

horge , is belaos and artagame filipino or spanish?

those along with go (chinese) and maravilla and de castro (spanish) are my mom and dad's family's surnames.

I must be from a Chinese-Pinoy nobility coz of my family name. :D

I must be from a Chinese-Pinoy nobility coz of my family name. :D

chupa is spanish. :D

I must be from a Chinese-Pinoy nobility coz of my family name. :D

I thought Chups was tagalog for lollipop. :bottle:

chupa is spanish. :D

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Yep, surnames were assigned for tax collection purposes, in 1849-1850.
Prior to that, your typical Filipino, even after being baptized Christian,
would only be known by a first name, with an informal "descriptive" just
like Medieval European commoners:

Juan "Tanda" (Juan the Old)
Juan "Bata" (Juan the Young)
Juan "Tangkad" (Juan the Tall)
Juan "Maliit" (Juan the Small)
Juan "de San Juan" (Juan, from San Juan)
Juan "Tamad" (Juan the Lazy)

A person's "descriptive" could and did change over time, making it very
difficult for governemnt to form and maintain a census, until an official
list of surnames was provided --geographically allocated-- for citizens
to choose, once and for all. Wealthy or old-nobility Filipino natives were
allowed to keep their current descriptives (Dula, Makapagal, Magsaysay,
Salunga, Pinpin, Panganiban etc.). Many natives chose surnames that
weren't reallyoffered, but the tax collectors had what they wanted: a
solid checklist.

If you know a Filipino with a surname in Tagalog, Bisaya, Ilokano or other
native language, they may be descended from native mobility ... or else
their ancestors simply weren't reached by the 1849 census-and-renaming.

:)
h.

Nice post. My surname is pure tagalog it's even a tagalog adjective. That means its an orginal name :)





some?

most i think.

a lot of chinese last names too.

That's because they're Chinese :)

That's because they're Chinese :)

man , if they're born in philippines......they're parents were born in philippines......they're grandparents were born in philippines......

they're filipino.

I think my ancestors came from Mexico, coz my surname is a name of a town there
don't know if that town still exist today or maybe renamed

Holy **** baka kamag anak ko si xcaret!!

I think my ancestors came from Mexico, coz my surname is a name of a town there
don't know if that town still exist today or maybe renamed

Holy **** baka kamag anak ko si xcaret!!

a lot of mexicans moved to pinas and vice versa.

you never know........

hell isn't there a town in philippines called mexico?

Holy **** baka kamag anak ko si xcaret!!

i doubt you're part chimpanzee.

a lot of mexicans moved to pinas and vice versa.

you never know........

hell isn't there a town in philippines called mexico?


yeff....mexico pampanga....meron din new york cubao at san francisco del monte...:boxing:

horge , is belaos and artagame filipino or spanish?

those along with go (chinese) and maravilla and de castro (spanish) are my mom and dad's family's surnames.


LOL tua, we came from the same bloodline..:omfg:
i'm guessing you're good looking too, lol :D

marcial, perez, marquinez and de castro were my mother and fathers family's surnames..

from now on, i will call you tito..
and it would be a good start if you can send me a Lakers championship memorabilia via balikbayan box..:lol1:

i doubt you're part chimpanzee.

LOL

you're being too kind to xcaret

LOL tua, we came from the same bloodline..:omfg:
i'm guessing you're good looking too, lol :D

marcial, perez, marquinez and de castro were my mother and fathers family's surnames..

from now on, i will call you tito..
and it would be a good start if you can send me a Lakers championship memorabilia via balikbayan box..:lol1:

not really.

de castro is my dad's adopted name.

my grandparent's real surnames are go , belaos , maravilla and artagame.

not really.

de castro is my dad's adopted name.

my grandparent's real surnames are go , belaos , maravilla and artagame.

have asked your pop why they choose de castro?

have asked your pop why they choose de castro?

de castro was his aunt's husband's last name.

his aunt adopted him.

de castro was his aunt's husband's last name.

his aunt adopted him.

now i get it...

that is common with filipinos with chinese ancestry right?
i have a friend that was adopted and changed his surname from sy to gapuz..


true story..

now i get it...

that is common with filipinos with chinese ancestry right?
i have a friend that was adopted and changed his surname from sy to gapuz..


true story..

i don't know if it's common but it happened in my family.

my oldest sister was adopted.

she's actually my mom's niece.

i don't know if it's common but it happened in my family.

my oldest sister was adopted.

she's actually my mom's niece.

i pressume your older sister's surname before was chinese, am i right?

my friend told me that they do surname changing because they are having a hard time dealing with businesses and securing government documents when they use their chinese surname.. not to mention the hassle on the immigration on their side during travels.. i think racial discrimination was still very much alive on PI..

i pressume your older sister's surname before was chinese, am i right?

my friend told me that they do surname changing because they are having a hard time dealing with businesses and securing government documents when they use their chinese surname.. not to mention the hassle on the immigration on their side during travels.. i think racial discrimination was still very much alive on PI..

yeah.

her last name was the same as my mom's before she got married which was chinese.

i don't know if it has anything to do with changing the name on purpose though.

my dad was adopted because his aunt and her husband couldn't have kids.

my oldest sister was adopted because at the time my parents were told they couldn't have kids.

i pressume your older sister's surname before was chinese, am i right?

my friend told me that they do surname changing because they are having a hard time dealing with businesses and securing government documents when they use their chinese surname.. not to mention the hassle on the immigration on their side during travels.. i think racial discrimination was still very much alive on PI..

My great-great grand parents on my moms side immigrated from mainland China and they had to change their last names too. Their last name was Go and they changed it to Escobar. My dads last name is Mojica. My grandfather was originaly from Cavite but moved to Vigan, Ilocos Sur when she married my lola who was a Corpuz.

man , if they're born in philippines......they're parents were born in philippines......they're grandparents were born in philippines......

they're filipino.

ok


Filipino-Chinese or Chinoy :D


The term 'filipino' is orginally just for spanish living in the Phillippines/ Natives were called Indios :(

ok


Filipino-Chinese or Chinoy :D


The term 'filipino' is orginally just for spanish living in the Phillippines/ Natives were called Indios :(



bossing diba complimentary ung term 'chinoy' sa mga pinoy-chinese?

is belaos and artagame filipino or spanish?

they're korean :rofl:

man , if they're born in philippines......they're parents were born in philippines......they're grandparents were born in philippines......

they're filipino.

bossing diba complimentary ung term 'chinoy' sa mga pinoy-chinese?


Medyo pre

mas ayaw nila ata tawagin silang Intsik eh.

they're korean :rofl:

i hate bakatngbanig...... :nonono:



ok


Filipino-Chinese or Chinoy :D


The term 'filipino' is orginally just for spanish living in the Phillippines/ Natives were called Indios :(

bossing diba complimentary ung term 'chinoy' sa mga pinoy-chinese?

rarely hear/see chinoy.

tsinoy sounds better.

ung pacquiao medyo chinese un diba? :D

ung pacquiao medyo chinese un diba? :D

nah.....

pacquiao is straight bicolano/visayan. :)

ung pacquiao medyo chinese un diba? :D

Actually, Pac is haf-Pinoy,1/4 Vietnamese and 1/4 Chinese.
His real name is Manny Phuc Yao.

Actually, Pac is haf-Pinoy,1/4 Vietnamese and 1/4 Chinese.
His real name is Manny Phuc Yao.

hell no.

a lot of my homeboys are vietnamese.

they can't fight for ****.

down to fight but can't fight. lol

Actually, Pac is haf-Pinoy,1/4 Vietnamese and 1/4 Chinese.
His real name is Manny Phuc Yao.

isn't that pronouced as phook!!! me want to phook yeo! :smileysex

Actually, Pac is haf-Pinoy,1/4 Vietnamese and 1/4 Chinese.
His real name is Manny Phuc Yao.you got it all wrong, Phuc Yao is a manny double.


http://www.pep.ph/images/news/f065e506a.jpg

^^ there is also manny paksiw his look a like, wonder what happended to him. lol boxer din un sa elorde na news pa nga un.

horge , is belaos and artagame filipino or spanish?

those along with go (chinese) and maravilla and de castro (spanish) are my mom and dad's family's surnames.

Hi, Tua.
Sorry, didn't see your question agad.
I don't come by here as often as I'd like, lol.

Belaos ("singers") is adapted Portuguese.
Portugal didn't have Spain's severe hangups about limpieza de sangre
(especially since it was an element of Spain's oppression of Portugal),
so there was no problem about offspring from a mixed-marriage using
the Portuguese father's surname.

Artagame sounds like a Euskal corruption of Artagan and Artagabe.
Like the Portuguese, the Basques weren't obsessed with blood purity.
Maraming Vasco-Pinoy intermarriage from the start, unlike with the
Castillians: semi-recently lang, big deal kuno noong pinakasalan ni
Fernando Zobel de Ayala si Kitkat Silverio, but Basque families like the
Aboitiz, the Zubiri, etc. --wala silang ganoong racism.

Ang yaman ng mga Vasco sa Pinas, galing sa kayod, hindi dahil sa
land grant (encomienda) ng mga Castellano na ginagatasan nila ng
ilang daang taon, hanggang ngayon.

h.

manong horge hows about giving a shot at these last names.

Brigola and Sernande... pretty rare last names i think.

Surname Marcial full filipino?

i really think that pacquiao is somewhat chinese... the quiao is very chinese... i wonder where the pac came from. :D

Pakyaw is Tagalog (and Bisaya?) for "turnkey", and has roots in Chinese.
Marcial is Spanish for "martial" or "military"
Sernande is a common-enough Portuguese and Spanish surname, from the times of the Visigoth occupation (from germanic Sernander)
Brigola is a Spanish rendition of bricola: a trebuchet or catapult-like war machine.

:)

h.

galing ni horge ha


eh yung apelido ko: sobrangpogi

Ok no I know

eh yung apelido ko: sobrangpogi

:bottle::bottle::bottle:
:lol1:

:bottle::bottle::bottle:
:lol1:



its Thai pare...buong pangalan ko: Mak 3K Sobrangpogitonglalakenato

galing ni horge ha


eh yung apelido ko: sobrangpogi

sobrangpogi is basque.

it's derived from sobrange which means delusional and pogitesque a psychological condition defined as one's consciousness lying to oneself.



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How about Banal?

horge ikaw ba yan sa avatar, bat parang na mumutla kana ata ah. dahan2x lng paps, its bad for your health. kukukuk! :D

its thai pare...buong pangalan ko: Mak 3k sobrangpogitonglalakenato

sobrangpogi is basque.

It's derived from sobrange which means delusional and pogitesque a psychological condition defined as one's consciousness lying to oneself.



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lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Masangkay and Balagtas, I'm quite sure it's pure Pinoy

sobrangpogi is basque.

it's derived from sobrange which means delusional and pogitesque a psychological condition defined as one's consciousness lying to oneself.



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lol..u made may day!

mr. horge..nice research....We have a neighbor in Davao..His family name is Doctor..I am not kidding..Where the hell did this family name originate? Ty in advance..hehehe

I have a classmate before in high school her last name is Cabaong

No bull****

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oi, what's up with your avatar? there is some skinny ass pile of bones who looks like he has just been dug up from the local cemetery, contrary to Pacman looking built like a tank.

Who is that?

spain brainswashed the pinoys back then :(

I have a classmate before in high school her last name is Cabaong

No bull****


theres some weird pinoy surname.

thers one his last name is "patay" pronounce like "bahay"

me, my surname is intsik. got it from my grandfather.

horge ikaw ba yan sa avatar, bat parang na mumutla kana ata ah. dahan2x lng paps, its bad for your health. kukukuk! :D

LOL...
Yes that's me in the pic.
My face is actually covered in dirt/dust. I'd just taken off my vest,
headgear and goggles, when someone snapped that pic. Too long a
story to tell properly, but it had not been a happy day.

h.

LOL...
Yes that's me in the pic.
My face is actually covered in dirt/dust. I'd just taken off my vest,
headgear and goggles, when someone snapped that pic. Too long a
story to tell properly, but it had not been a happy day.

h.

are you pure spanish or somethin?

are you pure spanish or somethin?

:nono::nono::nono:
:nonono:

:nono::nono::nono:
:nonono:

how about Rosales and San Miguel? im pretty sure they're spanish...

How about Halili?

:nono::nono::nono:
:nonono:

you look kinda mestizo. so that means you either have caucasian or chinese blood, etc.

How about Angulo is it spanish or pinoy?

How about "Angulo" is that a spanish or filipino?

Oi, what's up with your avatar? there is some skinny ass pile of bones who looks like he has just been dug up from the local cemetery, contrary to Pacman looking built like a tank.

Who is that?

LOL! it's Dela Hoya, edited in Photoshop.

So, there's no Lapu Lapu warriors here? :D

http://api.ning.com/files/TksDmbvMReKzVGCuAM2a98FC9xxTe8bcuhsEfjSkwGBxI2gYlv 1psRGCwU8ZPae4BN2CCdAakwl7WF7Z52EtAWTQQUpPyUjV/LapuLapu.jpg

http://www.warriorseskrima.com/graphics/lapulapu%20fighting.jpg

:nono::nono::nono:
:nonono:

bro, you did not answer my question....where did the family name Doctor come from?

bro, you did not answer my question....where did the family name Doctor come from?

Well, "bro", I'm sorry, but I didn't see the question at first, lol.

Rosales and San Miguel, like Angulo, are obviously Spanish in origin.
Not sure about Doctor --I actually know an Englishman with that
particular surname, but the Spanish spell it the same way, and there
are many Spaniards with English/Irish/Scots surnames.

h.

the spanish just gave the natives spaniard names during the census that is how most pinoys got hispanic names even though they are not spanish or even mestiso.

One last note, before I divorce this thread entirely, regarding Spanish surnames.
In English, it's pretty obvious how Johnson derived fom being John's son. Same
thing worked early on for the Iberians. The "-ez" suffix simply means "son of".

Sa ...Saez
Pa ...Paez
Marco ...Marquez
Pelayo ...Pelaez
Rodrigo ...Rodriguez

There are exceptions, though.
Pérez seems to have come straight from the Hebrew surname, in the course
of Jewish conversions to Christianity, in the 1300's. It sounded conveniently
Spanish, in a time of very cruel persecution of Jews.

h.

:wave:

Well, "bro", I'm sorry, but I didn't see the question at first, lol.

Rosales and San Miguel, like Angulo, are obviously Spanish in origin.
Not sure about Doctor --I actually know an Englishman with that
particular surname, but the Spanish spell it the same way, and there
are many Spaniards with English/Irish/Scots surnames.

h.

thanks! i thought it came from the chinese words dok and tor..lol