What's your list of the current top 5 P4P MMA fighters as of this week? Here is my list.

1. Anderson Silva
2. George St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelinanenko
4. Lyoto Machida
5. BJ Penn

Let's discuss...

here's my top 10!
1.Fedor
2.Anderson Silva
3.GSP
4.Machida
5.Gegard Mousasi
6.Miguel Torres
7.BJ Penn
8.Rampage Jackson
9.Thiago Alves
10.Mike Thomas Brown

1. Fedor
2 through whatever number you want doesn't even matter.

1. Melvin Manhoef

1. Melvin Manhoef

What happened to Hunt's chin?

1/ Fedor Emelinanenko
2/ Anderson Silva
3/ George St. Pierre
4/ Lyoto Machida
5/ Shinya Aoki
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I think there's no doubt that St. Pierre, Silva, Fedor and Machida are top four. It's about where people rank them though. The reason I have Silva still as number one is because he's still the most valuable in the middleweight division than any other fighter in their division. He's cleaned out his division and has fought at light heavyweight to prove his dominance. Even though his last win wasn't so impressive, I still find no reason not to have him at number one. He has no serious threat at the Middleweight division and has five successful title defenses. Apart from the Leites wins, he has won all his fights in the UFC by TKO or submission.

St. Pierre has just one real test which is Alvez. He has also cleaned out the welterweight division and has virtually no competition left. He has arguably fought the highest level of competition than anyone on the P4P list and has won most of them in stunning fashion.

Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world right now. The opponents he has faced have been picked apart and usually don't last long in a fight with Fedor. The major question though is his level of competition. Despite his dismantling of his two recent opponents both Sylvia and Alrvoski, they have both been recently upset and KO'ed very quickly; Arlvoski by Rogers within 30 seconds of the first round and Sylvia by Mercer within 10 seconds of the fight. He still has the very powerful Barnett to get by. Therefore, I put him at #3 based on those reasons.

Machida at #4 is quite obvious. He beat Thiago Silva, Tito Ortiz and recently has won the light heavyweight belt against Rashad Evans in a KO. He has proved his dominance at light-heavyweight and many are questioning whether anyone can even beat him. However, to be fair he still has to get by Rua and Jackson is still a worthy challenger.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson Silva
4. Miguel Torres
5. Machida
6. BJ Penn
7. Tiago Alves
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Mike Thomas Brown
10. Mousasi

On Wednesday, 4 February 2009 [1], I posted the following rankings and they remain the same today, exception being the honourable mentions. AA has dropped off due to his loss to Brett Rogers.

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Anderson Silva

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1 (http://forums.myspace.com/t/4373526.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewthread) In your eyes, who are the top 5 best pound for pound mma fighters?

I think there's no doubt that St. Pierre, Silva, Fedor and Machida are top four. It's about where people rank them though. The reason I have Silva still as number one is because he's still the most valuable in the middleweight division than any other fighter in their division. He's cleaned out his division and has fought at light heavyweight to prove his dominance. Even though his last win wasn't so impressive, I still find no reason not to have him at number one. He has no serious threat at the Middleweight division and has five successful title defenses. Apart from the Leites wins, he has won all his fights in the UFC by TKO or submission.


I laughed again. Beating James Irvin doesn't prove ****.

1) Georges St. Pierre
2) Fedor
3) Anderson Silva
4) Miguel Torres
5) Quinton Jackson

I laughed again. Beating James Irvin doesn't prove ****.

So you're saying it meant absolutely nothing? Laughable...

Regardless, Silva has cleaned out his division. His value in middleweight is the higher than any other fighter in their division.

5.
Anderson Silva


Why do you have Anderson Silva ranked so low?

So you're saying it meant absolutely nothing? Laughable...

As far as proving his place in P4P, no. Irvin was never ranked and has never beat any ranked guys either.

Anyway, I'm reluctant to even post in here. P4P is the most ridiculous discussion and rarely ever partake in discussing it. Had it not been for SRR, it wouldn't even be around.

As far as proving his place in P4P, no. Irvin was never ranked and has never beat any ranked guys either.

Anyway, I'm reluctant to even post in here. P4P is the most ridiculous discussion and rarely ever partake in discussing it. Had it not been for SRR, it wouldn't even be around.

Fair enough. It still proves he can fight any fighter they put in front of him and that's what matters.

I'd have to disagree. I'd say P4P rankings are good at assessing the value of a fighter by comparing them to other fighter's value. However, there will always be disagreements.

Fair enough. It still proves he can fight any fighter they put in front of him and that's what matters.

Yeah but James Irvin wasn't a good fighter to prove that. I think they could have pulled someone a little better. I knew he was going to steam roll him.

They basically fed him Irvin. It wasn't even fair.

I'd have to disagree. I'd say P4P rankings are good at assessing the value of a fighter by comparing them to other fighter's value. However, there will always be disagreements.

Yeah but P4P debate could go on forever. There really is no way to determine who is #1. There will always be diputes. That's what makes it annoying to debate

Yeah but James Irvin wasn't a good fighter to prove that. I think they could have pulled someone a little better. I knew he was going to steam roll him.

They basically fed him Irvin. It wasn't even fair.

It was his first fight at light heavyweight. A weight class that he didn't regularly fight in. What did you expect? Just moving up means that no one in his division had a chance against him. In only his second fight at light heavyweight he's fighting Griffin. What does that tell ya? Seriously, you guys are underrating Silva based on his Leites match-up and it's getting ridiculous. He use to spoil fans with KO's and submissions and just because he won a decision, people are underestimating him which frankly isn't fair.

Yeah but P4P debate could go on forever. There really is no way to determine who is #1. There will always be diputes. That's what makes it annoying to debate

So what's wrong with debating who's a better fighter? Obviously people will have differing opinions and different perspectives. What's wrong with that? At least we can agree that Silva, GSP and Fedor are top 3 in the rankings.

It was his first fight at light heavyweight. A weight class that he didn't regularly fight in. What did you expect? Just moving up means that no one in his division had a chance against him. In only his second fight at light heavyweight he's fighting Griffin. What does that tell ya? Seriously, you guys are underrating Silva based on his Leites match-up and it's getting ridiculous. He use to spoil fans with KO's and submissions and just because he won a decision, people are underestimating him which frankly isn't fair.

I'm not judging anything off of Silva's last two fights. Silva walks around at 200-210lbs. I never said nobody at LHW has a chance just because of who he is, but James Irvin was a gimme fight and Anderson ran away with it.

Forrest will be a more stern test. But I see it as another fighter who plays right into Anderson strengths



So what's wrong with debating who's a better fighter? Obviously people will have differing opinions and different perspectives. What's wrong with that? At least we can agree that Silva, GSP and Fedor are top 3 in the rankings.

Because it's never ending and it's annoying. Sure most will agree that GSP, Fedor and Silva are in the top 3 but it's almost impossible for there to be one universal top 10 P4P list. There will always be disputes as to who is #1

I'm not judging anything off of Silva's last two fights. Silva walks around at 200-210lbs. I never said nobody at LHW has a chance just because of who he is, but James Irvin was a gimme fight and Anderson ran away with it.

Forrest will be a more stern test. But I see it as another fighter who plays right into Anderson strengths

Please point to how he plays into Anderson's strengths. Secondly, who do you honestly expect Silva to fight at light heavyweight? You seem to be unsatisfied with anyone Silva faces at light heavyweight especially a good fighter like Griffin.

Because it's never ending and it's annoying. Sure most will agree that GSP, Fedor and Silva are in the top 3 but it's almost impossible for there to be one universal top 10 P4P list. There will always be disputes as to who is #1

Exactly and I'm questioning what's wrong with that. Do you expect there to be a universal top 10 P4P list? I'd hope not. As I've said, there's always different views and perspectives in all sports, combative or not. I don't see the exception for MMA. As a fighter progresses, things change and therefore his ranking and value will change accordingly. MMA is just that kind of sport.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson Silva
4. Miguel Torres
5. Penn

here's my top 10!
1.Fedor
2.Anderson Silva
3.GSP
4.Machida
5.Gegard Mousasi
6.Miguel Torres
7.BJ Penn
8.Rampage Jackson
9.Thiago Alves
10.Mike Thomas Brown

why do you have Mousasi ranked so high? who has he beat to warrant such a high ranking?

Ok, for the guys who have Aoki on their list...

How can a guy who has no standing game be considered one of the top p4p fighters?????

Brock Lesnar
Fedor
Kimbo

You guys have Tobikan Judan as top 5 p4p? I like him to but thats a bit extreme. Where the **** were you guys when I was defending Shinya in the best bjj guy in MMA? To earn a top 5 p4p ranking, that says that he must have extremely good bjj skills. (seeing how he doesn't stand up for ****)

Anyways...

1. Fedor Emelienenko (I stay true to my word)
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Mike Brown (the guy who killed Faber twice)

Also, **** Miguel Torres. He is a MUCH bigger guy fighting WAY smaller guys. That is not p4p material. When that 5'10"-5'11" mutha****er fights in his proper weight class. I will be straight with him.

Go to the midwest and get straight with him in person. I don't know how much you weigh, but I'm sure you'll be knocked dead in no time. Idiot.

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You guys have Tobikan Judan as top 5 p4p? I like him to but thats a bit extreme. Where the **** were you guys when I was defending Shinya in the best bjj guy in MMA? To earn a top 5 p4p ranking, that says that he must have extremely good bjj skills. (seeing how he doesn't stand up for ****)

Anyways...

1. Fedor Emelienenko (I stay true to my word)
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Mike Brown (the guy who killed Faber twice)

That is exactly how I see it also.

Go to the midwest and get straight with him in person. I don't know how much you weigh, but I'm sure you'll be knocked dead in no time. Idiot.

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Thats stupid. I hate when dudes on the internet are all like "go say that to his face". First of all, I have no problem saying it to his face that he isn't p4p material in MY EYES and he should fight in a higher weight class. Its ****ing words, why should I be afraid of talking? Second of all, I doubt I would beat him in a fight anyways. I also doubt that I would be "knocked dead".

If thats the case, then everyone on these forums that have a problem with fighters of any combat sport, INCLUDING YOURSELF, should go get "knocked dead" by who they are talking about.

What you just did is like me saying to Jakkups, "Go to Shinya Aoki and he will show you why he is the best BJJ practitioner in MMA."

Its just ****ing stupid. You sir are ****ing stupid. Thats that 12yr old and 38yr old fat ass Youtube argument bull**** that your pulling here.

1) Georges St. Pierre
2) Fedor
3) Anderson Silva
4) Miguel Torres
5) Quinton Jackson

why is jackson in your top 5, but machida isnt?????

You guys have Tobikan Judan as top 5 p4p? I like him to but thats a bit extreme. Where the **** were you guys when I was defending Shinya in the best bjj guy in MMA? To earn a top 5 p4p ranking, that says that he must have extremely good bjj skills. (seeing how he doesn't stand up for ****)


Jacare is better.
Maia is the best right now.

No, not really. It's the 'you're a disrespectful cunt' argumentative point. I would say it to your face as well, not just over the internet.

I have never nor will I ever proclaim who should fight in which weight class. It is their goddamn decision. You're a ****ing cunt because you believe that you somehow can better determine where he should fight. And believe somehow that he is "bigger" than the Bantamweight division, when that is the weight he is ****ing making on weigh-in day. You're ****ing stupid. A stupid ****ing cunt. Go **** yourself.

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You still haven't told me how you justify Anderson Silva being so low on your P4P rankings. What's the reason he's ranked #5?

Jacare is better.
Maia is the best right now.

Jacare is really good. Maia is good too. I voted Shinya because I like the dude. Its why I dont normally vote in "who is best" type topics. I always end up voting for who I like.

No, not really. It's the 'you're a disrespectful cunt' argumentative point. I would say it to your face as well, not just over the internet.

I have never nor will I ever proclaim who should fight in which weight class. It is their goddamn decision. You're a ****ing cunt because you believe that you somehow can better determine where he should fight. And believe somehow that he is "bigger" than the Bantamweight division, when that is the weight he is ****ing making on weigh-in day. You're ****ing stupid. A stupid ****ing cunt. Go **** yourself.

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You obviously think fighters weight the same on weigh ins and fight night. Guess what:? Its almost never the truth. A man that is 5'10" is going to naturally have more weight on them than a man 5'6". Miguel Torres can weigh in at 135 doesn't mean he is 135 come fight night. Being so tall, his body can hold alot of weight comfortably. There is no chance in hell that he weights in 135 and goes up 2-3 pounds. He probably weighs in 135 and balloons up 155. While everyone else in the bantam division weigh in 135 and probably balloon up 5 pounds tops. There goes a vast size difference right there. So he already has a large chance of winning.

You can be fooled by it all you want. I will not. I will never say he is p4p material when he is much larger than everyone else and is fighting people smaller than Urijah Faber, Mike Brown, KID, and ****ing Jens Pulver.

Paul Williams can make 140. Does it make it right for him to fight Pacquiao? Hell no. We all know why too.

Apparently MMA fans are ****ing retards like the boxing fans say. Wait, I take that back, its just you. :dunno:

Thats stupid. I hate when dudes on the internet are all like "go say that to his face". First of all, I have no problem saying it to his face that he isn't p4p material in MY EYES and he should fight in a higher weight class. Its ****ing words, why should I be afraid of talking? Second of all, I doubt I would beat him in a fight anyways. I also doubt that I would be "knocked dead".

If thats the case, then everyone on these forums that have a problem with fighters of any combat sport, INCLUDING YOURSELF, should go get "knocked dead" by who they are talking about.

What you just did is like me saying to Jakkups, "Go to Shinya Aoki and he will show you why he is the best BJJ practitioner in MMA."

Its just ****ing stupid. You sir are ****ing stupid. Thats that 12yr old and 38yr old fat ass Youtube argument bull**** that your pulling here.

WOAH! Don't get me involved in your lover's quarrel lol. And Shinya isn't the best. Flashiest yes, best no way.

Jacare is really good. Maia is good too. I voted Shinya because I like the dude. Its why I dont normally vote in "who is best" type topics. I always end up voting for who I like.



You obviously think fighters weight the same on weigh ins and fight night. Guess what:? Its almost never the truth. A man that is 5'10" is going to naturally have more weight on them than a man 5'6". Miguel Torres can weigh in at 135 doesn't mean he is 135 come fight night. Being so tall, his body can hold alot of weight comfortably. There is no chance in hell that he weights in 135 and goes up 2-3 pounds. He probably weighs in 135 and balloons up 155. While everyone else in the bantam division weigh in 135 and probably balloon up 5 pounds tops. There goes a vast size difference right there. So he already has a large chance of winning.

You can be fooled by it all you want. I will not. I will never say he is p4p material when he is much larger than everyone else and is fighting people smaller than Urijah Faber, Mike Brown, KID, and ****ing Jens Pulver.

Paul Williams can make 140. Does it make it right for him to fight Pacquiao? Hell no. We all know why too.

Apparently MMA fans are ****ing retards like the boxing fans say. Wait, I take that back, its just you. :dunno:

Torres actually walks around at less than 150lbs. Most of the time he comes into the fight at less than 135lbs. It's not surprising, the guy has no body fat on him which is why he doesn't weigh much. If he did balloon up you'd notice a big difference in how he looks on the night of the weigh-in and the night of the fight. He spent the the majority of his career fighting guys who outweighed him by up to 50lbs. This was when he first started fighting and he only weighed 120lbs. His advantage is that he is a better fighter all round than the rest of his division, weight isn't even part of the issue.

Also, **** Miguel Torres. He is a MUCH bigger guy fighting WAY smaller guys. That is not p4p material. When that 5'10"-5'11" mutha****er fights in his proper weight class. I will be straight with him.

this isn't boxing. height is less of an advantage because what you gain from height and reach, you lose in strength. miguel has to really be lean to make that weight therefore he can't do as much weight lifting.

Top 5 P4P I think it'd be
1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Miguel Torres
5. BJ

top 5 per division i think
125
1. Shinichi Kojima
2. Ryuichi Miku
3. Yuki Shoujou
4. Yasuhiro Uru****ano
5. Mamoru Yamaguchi

135
1. Miguel Torres
2. Masakatsu Ueda
3. Brian Bowles
4. Takeya Mizugaki
5. Joseph Benavidez

145
1. Mike Brown
2. Wagnney Fabiano
3. Urijah Faber
4. Hatsu Hioki
5. Leonard Garcia

155
1. Shinya Aoki
2. BJ Penn
3. Eddie Alvarez
4. Jaochim HAnsen
5. Tatsuya Kawajiri

170
1. GSP
2. Thiago Alves
3. Jon Fitch
4. Jake Shields
5. Matt Hughes

185
1. Anderson Silva
2. Yushin Okami
3. Nate Marquart
4. Jorge Santiago
5. Demian Maia

205
1. Lyoto
2. Rashad Evans
3. Forrest Griffin
4. Rampage
5. Lil Nog

heavyweight
1. Fedor
2. Barnett
3. Frank Mir
4. Nogueira
5. Lesnar

WOAH! Don't get me involved in your lover's quarrel lol. And Shinya isn't the best. Flashiest yes, best no way.

Dont trip. I was just using it as an example. I just hate when people are like "go say it to his face". Like its supposed to really mean something.

Torres actually walks around at less than 150lbs. Most of the time he comes into the fight at less than 135lbs. It's not surprising, the guy has no body fat on him which is why he doesn't weigh much. If he did balloon up you'd notice a big difference in how he looks on the night of the weigh-in and the night of the fight. He spent the the majority of his career fighting guys who outweighed him by up to 50lbs. This was when he first started fighting and he only weighed 120lbs. His advantage is that he is a better fighter all round than the rest of his division, weight isn't even part of the issue.

Hmm, never knew that. I just thought he was a big dude picking on smaller guys. I dont know, he is good. Im not gonna lie and say he sucks. He is good. I just dont see him as p4p when he so vastly outsizes the competition. Joe Riggs isn't a natural 170, ballooning up to 200 before. (or so Joe Rogan's commentary has said) Doesn't look like a guy who would be 200 but apparently he is. So, Miguel being 135 or below 150 is hard to believe.

this isn't boxing. height is less of an advantage because what you gain from height and reach, you lose in strength. miguel has to really be lean to make that weight therefore he can't do as much weight lifting.

Look at Nick Diaz. Tall, lean, has power in his hands, can beat you on the ground. I think it does have some advantages to it when your standing up. Nick Diaz is lean as well but doesn't naturally weight 155 even though he can fight that weight class.

Maybe I will write Miguel a message on his blog/website thing. Then find out how much he really weighs naturally.

1-Fedor
2-GSP
3-Machida
4-Silva
5-Penn

Silva dropped from two to four because of his last two fights, he won but there were horrible fights and he clearly didn't fight like a top pound 4 pound guy.

Hmm, never knew that. I just thought he was a big dude picking on smaller guys. I dont know, he is good. Im not gonna lie and say he sucks. He is good. I just dont see him as p4p when he so vastly outsizes the competition. Joe Riggs isn't a natural 170, ballooning up to 200 before. (or so Joe Rogan's commentary has said) Doesn't look like a guy who would be 200 but apparently he is. So, Miguel being 135 or below 150 is hard to believe.


Not that hard to believe. It's genetics at the end of the day. Some people may be small in height but carry alot of weight. Some people can be tall and lean and don't carry much weight. It's more about the body type rather than the height. Look at the Shane Mosley/Ricardo Mayorga fight. Both weighed 154lbs the day before but on the night Mosley came in at 160lbs whereas Mayorga came in at 170lbs. Both are the same height at 5'9. Height will not determine how much weight you carry, it's body mass.

What's your list of the current top 5 P4P MMA fighters as of this week? Here is my list.

1. Anderson Silva
2. George St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelinanenko
4. Lyoto Machida
5. BJ Penn

Let's discuss...

Take BJ off that list and put Miguel Angel Torres on that list and it's perfect.

1. Fedor: he hasn't legitmately lost in a sport where it is damn near impossible to go undefeated. the "not fighting top comp" argument can't be used anymore each of his last 2 opponents (and his next opponent) were top 5 when he fought them

2. Anderson Silva: last 2 outings have been tough to watch, but its not like he's losing skill. he's barely been touched over his last 8 rounds in the cage. add the previous 6 destructions and he's #2 on my list

3. GSP: the only reason i put him below Anderson is the loss to Serra. he did great in avenging that loss, but the fact remains that he got checked in the first fight. i have to take that into account

4. Lyoto Machida: i think its only a matter of time before he's #1 on this list, a matter of short time. he has a style that has not been figured out yet, and if he continues to win, he will do so in the deepest collection of talent of any division in MMA.

5. Miguel Angel Torres: back to back fight of the year type fights, only 1 loss, which occurred years ago, on his record (which came after ACL surgery).

Take BJ off that list and put Miguel Angel Torres on that list and it's perfect.

Just b/c their Mexican doesn't mean they're top 5....

Look at Nick Diaz. Tall, lean, has power in his hands, can beat you on the ground. I think it does have some advantages to it when your standing up. Nick Diaz is lean as well but doesn't naturally weight 155 even though he can fight that weight class.

Maybe I will write Miguel a message on his blog/website thing. Then find out how much he really weighs naturally.

well first off, Nick Diaz is overrated cuz he only fights C & D level opponents and can't beat the top tier fighters thats why he left the UFC.

and 2nd, if a fighter can lean out and still be effective on the ground, then he is just gifted. You can't force a fighter to fight bigger fighters just because he is gifted at the weight class he is in. That just doesn't make sense.

1.) A.Silv / Fedor / Machida / GSP

How can you place one over the other ? Fedor (by default) because he is who he is but the competition is just not there, but then again it's not his fault.

Anderson has a couple L's but a clean record isn't necessary at this point. Who really looks better than this guy in the cage ?
.....nobody

Machida while not as entertaining as the others you have to wonder if he stands a better chance against Fedor than Brock or anybody else for that matter. Machida is proof that MMA is constantly evolving....
205 may get shut down......and you know how sick 205 is.

GSP used to be my top guy but Anderson showed me the light. hile GSP is possibly the best in the world Serra seemed to have made GSP weiry of his own stand up. GSP's stand up was what made him my top guy at once. Now I don't get the same thrill as I used to. Still ain't nothing wrong with playing it safe, he's still #1 WW

2. Rampage - just a vicious warrior who always fought top cometition. He's been up he's been down and he's still around.

I don't know about everybody else right now because things changed so rapidly. The LW's are lookin like crabs in a barrel until we see how BJ fairs in his next 2 or 3 fights but the competition is fierce.

Rashad's a beast for no particular reason I don't think he lost much but he needs to respect the ***** that paved the way for his black ass..(excuse me). I think he's got more wins left in him than losses.

well first off, Nick Diaz is overrated cuz he only fights C & D level opponents and can't beat the top tier fighters thats why he left the UFC.

and 2nd, if a fighter can lean out and still be effective on the ground, then he is just gifted. You can't force a fighter to fight bigger fighters just because he is gifted at the weight class he is in. That just doesn't make sense.

Diaz beats top tier fighters. Its because he is off and on. He wins fights he shouldn't win and losses fights he should win. KO lawler when lawler was the ****, chokin out Gomi when Gomi was the ****. He just loses to people he has no business losin too.

Its his choice to fight bantam. I got no problem with that. He just wont make my p4p list. Until I get feedback from him on his natural weight. If he says he naturally weights close to bantam limit, then I will change my mind. If he says somethin like 150+ then, nope my opinion wont change.

Diaz beats top tier fighters. Its because he is off and on. He wins fights he shouldn't win and losses fights he should win. KO lawler when lawler was the ****, chokin out Gomi when Gomi was the ****. He just loses to people he has no business losin too.

Its his choice to fight bantam. I got no problem with that. He just wont make my p4p list. Until I get feedback from him on his natural weight. If he says he naturally weights close to bantam limit, then I will change my mind. If he says somethin like 150+ then, nope my opinion wont change.

you see, the theory of natural weight doesn't apply to MMA. if Miguel "naturally" weighs more than bantam, then he is at a disadvantage fighting at that weight because once again, he has to give up strength to make that weight.

Whereas in boxing, if you fight in the lower divisions, you will have the height and reach advantage cuz there isn't any grappling to even the playing field.

if you can't understand that then, I don't know what else to say.

Fedor has reached that legendary level where he doesn't need to be ranked.

1. GSP- He had one slip up two years ago and has came back and dominated the competition better than before the Serra fight which is incredible because he was smashing fighters before. The man has everything in his fight game. He makes wrestlers and BJJ fighters look like amateurs.

2. Machida- His style is crazy and unorthodox but he dominates and stops his opponents with ease.

3. A. Silva- A great fighter who has gotten better in the last couple years. Once he touched down in the UFC he destroyed the middleweight division. Lately though he seems to be getting a little too ****y which has made his last two fights more circus acts then fights. Not completely his fault against Leites, but still didn't seem to put full effort into the fight.

That's what I can come up with right now.

With Silva's win over Griffin, have some of you changed your rankings or have they been kept the same? Most people who had Silva #1 probably haven't changed it much. But others who had him #2 might have.

I think GSP is still #1 as the consistency of his competition and how easily he dominates them makes the difference.

I think Silva moves to #2 while Fedor drops to #3 and GSP stays @ #1

1.Anderson Silva
2.George St.Pierre
3.Fedor Emelinanenko
4.BJ Penn
5.Lyoto Machida

Anderson Silva is number 1 due to versatility,resume,intelligence and his record breaking reign as undisputed middleweight champion is unquestionable along with the recent win over former UFC light-heavyweight champion forrest griffin,this man is unquestionably number 1.

St.Pierre and Fedor can be Switched but I prefer Pierre from a stylistic standpoint and view in MMA to be second,Penn is ahead of Machida due to legacy and respect nothing more nothing less.

I swear, I'll never understand the BJ Penn thing...

I have

1. Anderson Silva (I think this is beyond debating now)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (Anderson's done enough)
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Lyoto Machida
5. Mike Thomas Brown
6. Brian Bowles (study his record before you reply)
7. Miguel Torres

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson Silva
4. Miguel Torres
5. Machida
6. BJ Penn
7. Tiago Alves
8. Rampage Jackson
9. Mike Thomas Brown
10. Mousasi
thiago alves? jon fitch belongs there before alves.....

i've changed my opinion. i used to have Fedor #1, but after what Anderson did to a dude who was champ 9months ago, he has to be #1 right now

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Penn

i've changed my opinion. i used to have Fedor #1, but after what Anderson did to a dude who was champ 9months ago, he has to be #1 right now

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Penn
i still think fedor is number one.....
my list is
1)fedor
2)gsp
3)anderson silva
4)lyoto machida
5)doesnt really matter.....

i think gsp is 2, and anderson is 3, mainly because gsp cleared out his deivsion, which is much harder than silvas, and he has beat every fighter he has ever fought..... its close tho.... fedor is basically globally excepted as the best... the only one who disagrees is dana white lol.... and i think that if machida destroys shogun, u have to raise his ranks..... hes like the most dominant fighter out there because noone can even hit him.....

1.Anderson Silva
2.Fedor
3.GSP
4.Machida
5.Gegard Mousasi

i still think fedor is number one.....
my list is
1)fedor
2)gsp
3)anderson silva
4)lyoto machida
5)doesnt really matter.....

i think gsp is 2, and anderson is 3, mainly because gsp cleared out his deivsion, which is much harder than silvas, and he has beat every fighter he has ever fought..... its close tho.... fedor is basically globally excepted as the best... the only one who disagrees is dana white lol.... and i think that if machida destroys shogun, u have to raise his ranks..... hes like the most dominant fighter out there because noone can even hit him.....

i love GSP as a fighter but in terms of p4p debate, when things are that close between him, Fedor, & Anderson, his loss to Serra stands out. thats the reason i put him behind Anderson & Fedor

Great well analyzed list, only one that I would change. I'd like to give my add for every opinion.

1. Fedor: he hasn't legitmately lost in a sport where it is damn near impossible to go undefeated. the "not fighting top comp" argument can't be used anymore each of his last 2 opponents (and his next opponent) were top 5 when he fought them


True, he lost in a match that should have NC or DQ, because of him losing it by cut via illegal elbow, also won the rematch by dominating fashion.

Also his two devastating beatings to Prime Big Nog (#1 & #2 atm) need to be mentioned. He was very game even in the beginning of his career and possibly partially responsible of Nog's today's condition, which seems to be slowed by half.

Other than that, he's beaten all the freaks put in front of him in the matches he very vell could have lost. Imagine Hong-Man Choi falling on you, that could be bone crushing.

He's showing great respect and acting like a true martial artist every time.


2. Anderson Silva: last 2 outings have been tough to watch, but its not like he's losing skill. he's barely been touched over his last 8 rounds in the cage. add the previous 6 destructions and he's #2 on my list


I have thought that Anderson might have very high morale, as he's not eagerly attacking people who only possess little threat to him.

We saw what happened to Leben, Franklin x2, Hendo after the loss of 1st round, Irvin, Griffin. When he's put under the pressure, he starts to act in a very painful way.

I'd like to see him vacate the MW belt, and take at least one superfight against a legit HW to really establish his legacy as one of the P4P best. I am completely sure he would be capable of winning that.


3. GSP: the only reason i put him below Anderson is the loss to Serra. he did great in avenging that loss, but the fact remains that he got checked in the first fight. i have to take that into account


I wouldn't consider the Serra loss as anything more than a fluke. He has avenged that and proved that his mind has changed and mentally he's as strong as anybody there, never underestimating his enemy.

While adding the dominating of his respective weight class, I'd like to see him as a new holder for the MW belt vacated by Silva. Because of their huge size difference (comparable to GSP-Penn 2), I wouldn't like to see these two fighting. If he lost, it proves nothing and he would imo be a huge underdog just because of his size.


4. Lyoto Machida: i think its only a matter of time before he's #1 on this list, a matter of short time. he has a style that has not been figured out yet, and if he continues to win, he will do so in the deepest collection of talent of any division in MMA.


He's being one of the smallest guys in his division, still everytime making his opponent look silly. He wipes and tosses wrestlers to the floor, point fights brawlers and higher level strikers into pieces if not knocking them out. He's being very honorable, committed and proud in a good way.


5. Miguel Angel Torres: back to back fight of the year type fights, only 1 loss, which occurred years ago, on his record (which came after ACL surgery).

That's the one I disagree, though not bad pick to the top 5.

I'd still go with BJ Penn as he once again showed being a very hard target at his natural weight. Kenny was able to push him against the fence, that's all. When I first saw BJ fight, I saw he was born to do that. He has unbelievable talent which carried him to the victory even without training seriously. He improved that when it became obvious that he couldn't win without it. Now he seems to have improved that even more, so the Penn we will see will become even scarier for his opponent.

I'd consider his fight with GSP as a total mismatch where a guy holding 15 pounds of more weight and 30 pounds of muscle manhandles the smaller guy. BJ didn't just break up, GSP broke him.

I don't put these guys in any order, just Top 5.

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Now, how are all of these guys similar? They have all done martial arts since they were kids. They have started to learn their respective skills at a very young age since polishing them all the time.

TUF might give you some tricks and experience, but it doesn't help your talent. Also I wouldn't consider their training in TUF very serious while living in a house filled with booze with bunch of ****y tough guys. If I'd be producing that kind of show, I would teach people through the competitors what really is a martial artist, make them respect each other, work and train together all the time and take it as a pure competition without bad intentions.

But no, reality TV busted that up. People seem to have forgot many principles and only want to see violence, bad behavior, all non-suitable or shocking things from TV, anything but education and ways for better living.

Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed.

Thanks for reading, I hope you enjoyed.

definitely liked your logic. fans will almost never agree completely on a list like this 4 out of 5 aint bad lol

obviously Miguel Torres has to drop after that brutal loss to bowles

definitely liked your logic. fans will almost never agree completely on a list like this 4 out of 5 aint bad lol

obviously Miguel Torres has to drop after that brutal loss to bowles

Thank you.

And Miguel seemed to take the loss very well, imo he's got all it takes to be a top-5 P4P, just needs THAT one step.

I don't want be the *******, but make the ******* to respect.

It's also funny that in the beginning of his career, Fedor feasted on the guys he was feed to. =D

It's also funny that in the beginning of his career, Fedor feasted on the guys he was feed to. =D
Hah, yeah he's been in pretty tough from the start. He's taken a harder road then many fighters, and basically dominated everyone in his path.

Hah, yeah he's been in pretty tough from the start. He's taken a harder road then many fighters, and basically dominated everyone in his path.

Your Fedor beating Nog -sig tells that all. No one had ever seen that kind of fighter before. He gave so bad beating to Herring that the doctor had to stop the fight after ten minutes. I have understood that they didn't end like that very often if not being in a tournament.