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Golden Boy #1
06-21-2009, 02:07 PM
I was looking at Michael Spinks accomplishments and was impressed. Unified 3 belts and the first light heavy to become linear heavyweight champ. I was curious in his place purely at 175 history. Its not a divison I am too historically knowladgeable about. What was his level of opposition like, any notable avoided opponents, how strong was the light heavyweight era then, how dominant was he and how does he rank with top light heavyweights of all time?

Obama
06-21-2009, 02:22 PM
I was looking at Michael Spinks accomplishments and was impressed. Unified 3 belts and the first light heavy to become linear heavyweight champ. I was curious in his place purely at 175 history. Its not a divison I am too historically knowladgeable about. What was his level of opposition like, any notable avoided opponents, how strong was the light heavyweight era then, how dominant was he and how does he rank with top light heavyweights of all time?

Spinks was top dog in one of the best LHW periods ever:

Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Marvin Johnson
Prince Charles Williams
Virgil "I ducked everyone that mattered till the 90s" Hill

I personally rate him #5 LHW behind:

Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Harold Johnson
Gene Tunney

Thread Stealer
06-21-2009, 08:07 PM
Spinks is viewed as one of the great light-heavyweights in history.

One example is The Ring and their ranking of him. The Ring, as they often do, changed their ranking on him and ranked him much higher as time went on. An issue in 1994 had Spinks outside the top 5, but in 2001, they did a top 20 and had Spinks at 3. They had Marvin Johnson at 20 I think and Qawi in the mid teens, so Spinks has 2 wins over fellow top 20 guys per their rankings.

The division was real strong. Qawi was a terrific swarmer, built like a tank, tricky head movement could make him hard to tag (in his first fight with Holyfield he actually made Holyfield miss 12 times in a row). Eddie Muhammad was a real talented guy, but lacked discipline and consistency. He had come down for heavyweight for the Spinks fight, and was said to have weight problems. The rematch fell apart when Eddie failed to make weight and Spinks refused to fight on when Eddie didn't make weight. That may have been "the straw that broke the camel's back" in changing the weigh-in procedures to the day before the fight. Still, Eddie's beatdown of Marvin Johnson was beautiful to watch.

Spinks's KO of Marvin Johnson is one of the best uppercuts ever thrown in a prize ring IMO.

Abstraction
06-22-2009, 10:09 AM
Arguebally the best LH ever.

ended Larry Holmes winning streak, beating him twice. Although close decisions, he got them in the end.

Davros?
06-22-2009, 11:19 AM
He was underrated at Heavyweight as well. he beat Holmes (probably didnt deserve the 2nd one though) and i remember he looked very good against Cooney even taking into account Cooney's ring rust.

Abstraction
06-22-2009, 12:02 PM
Yeah his bouts against Holmes were close, but it was one of those that could have gone either way really.

had Holmes won, Many would have said Spinks should have won it etc.

Kid McCoy
06-22-2009, 01:52 PM
Spinks is viewed as one of the great light-heavyweights in history.

One example is The Ring and their ranking of him. The Ring, as they often do, changed their ranking on him and ranked him much higher as time went on. An issue in 1994 had Spinks outside the top 5, but in 2001, they did a top 20 and had Spinks at 3. They had Marvin Johnson at 20 I think and Qawi in the mid teens, so Spinks has 2 wins over fellow top 20 guys per their rankings.

The division was real strong. Qawi was a terrific swarmer, built like a tank, tricky head movement could make him hard to tag (in his first fight with Holyfield he actually made Holyfield miss 12 times in a row). Eddie Muhammad was a real talented guy, but lacked discipline and consistency. He had come down for heavyweight for the Spinks fight, and was said to have weight problems. The rematch fell apart when Eddie failed to make weight and Spinks refused to fight on when Eddie didn't make weight. That may have been "the straw that broke the camel's back" in changing the weigh-in procedures to the day before the fight. Still, Eddie's beatdown of Marvin Johnson was beautiful to watch.

Spinks's KO of Marvin Johnson is one of the best uppercuts ever thrown in a prize ring IMO.

A cynic might say that's the real reason they switched to day-before weigh-ins. A lot of noses were put out of join by the cancellation of a major fight at such a late stage.

That was a bizarre episode, though. If I remember rightly EMM failed to make weight and refused to even try, claiming the scales were inaccurate. So consequently, the fight was downgraded to a non-title affair and then on Eddie Futch's advice Spinks refused that idea, so it was called off altogether.

CCobra
06-22-2009, 03:26 PM
He's among the greatest Light Heavyweights of all time and made a very successful step up to the Heavyweight division. He beat some good opposition, went undefeated up until 'that fight' and I think it's safe to say he's an all time great.

mickey malone
06-23-2009, 10:40 AM
UD L/H Champ...
3rd best L/H AT
Failed H/W

HOFA Without a doubt.....

Davros?
06-23-2009, 10:56 AM
UD L/H Champ...
3rd best L/H AT
Failed H/W

HOFA Without a doubt.....

how did he fail at heavyweight he did hold the title.

Abstraction
06-25-2009, 03:06 PM
failed HW? lol?

He beat undefeated Larry Holmes, then beat him again. Albeit close decisions, he got the win anyhow.

He got KO'd by a Prime Tyson, and?

CCobra
06-25-2009, 04:16 PM
failed HW? lol?

He beat undefeated Larry Holmes, then beat him again. Albeit close decisions, he got the win anyhow.

He got KO'd by a Prime Tyson, and?

You forgot to add that he TKO'd Gerry Cooney. How he can be considered a failed Heavyweight is beyond me!

Southpaw16BF
07-05-2009, 10:23 AM
Michael Spinks's Accomplishments
Compiled a reported amateur record of 93-7 (35 KO)
Won the 1974 National Golden Gloves Light Middleweight Championship (156 lbs)
Won the 1976 National Golden Gloves Middleweight Championship (165 lbs) in Miami, Florida.
Won the Middleweight Gold Medal for the United States at the 1976 Olympics in Montreal, Alberta

10 Defences of WBA LHW Title.
2 Defences Of Unifed Crown
IBF Heavyweight Champion Making 2 Defences

Resume Of Wins
Yaqui Lopez
Marvin Johnson
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Oscar Rivadeneyra(18-0)
Larry Holmes(48-0) x2
Gerry Cooney

2 Weight Division Champion
In 2002, The Ring named Spinks the 3rd greatest light heavyweight of all-time
Ring Magazine Ranked Spinks At Number #41 Of There List 80 Greatest Fighters Of The Last 80 Years.


Now looking at Spinks's acommplishments. I think they are pretty damn impressive. From being a 2 Weight World Champion to His Resume Of Wins.

Such a shame that some people judge his career of one fight against Mike Tyson.

Ziggy Stardust
07-05-2009, 10:27 AM
Such a shame that some people judge his career of one fight against Mike Tyson.

No doubt! The best Light-Heavy of his era which, incidentally, is considered one of the strongest and possibly THE strongest eras in the history of the division. A great fighter and anyone who leaves him of their top-ten Light-Heavy list needs their head examined.

Poet

GJC
07-05-2009, 10:35 AM
Spinks was top dog in one of the best LHW periods ever:

Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Marvin Johnson
Prince Charles Williams
Virgil "I ducked everyone that mattered till the 90s" Hill

I personally rate him #5 LHW behind:

Archie Moore
Ezzard Charles
Harold Johnson
Gene Tunney
Good post, might swap Bob Foster for Harold Johnson personally.

Miburo
07-05-2009, 10:38 AM
the first light heavy to become linear heavyweight champ

Not to diminish Spinks' accomplishment at all, but Charles would almost certainly have done it if he had only been given a title shot - he was LHW champ in all but name.

Ziggy Stardust
07-05-2009, 10:39 AM
Not to diminish Spinks' accomplishment at all, but Charles would also have done it if he had only been given a title shot, he was LHW champ in all but name.

No dissagreement. Ezzard Charles is regarded by many boxing historians as the greatets Light-Heavy ever.

Poet

GJC
07-05-2009, 10:42 AM
Think Spinks cross to bear is that Tyson bought so many new fans into the sport(maybe the majority on here?) and their memory is Spinks getting poleaxed in the 1st round.
Shame he deserves so much better. Top 10 ATG light heavy even by the most critical fan of his I would hope and one who managed to get the HW title where so many great Light Heavy's before him failed.
Was it me or did he seem to lose interest amd focus once he beat Holmes the 2nd time?

Ziggy Stardust
07-05-2009, 10:50 AM
Think Spinks cross to bear is that Tyson bought so many new fans into the sport(maybe the majority on here?) and their memory is Spinks getting poleaxed in the 1st round.

That's one of the reasons why I hate when I see posters say "Watching So-And-So fight got me into boxing". The cult of personality that crops up with that sort of thing warps the outlook of the fan and in my experience they are fans of particular fighters first, fans of boxing second.

Poet

GJC
07-05-2009, 10:57 AM
That's one of the reasons why I hate when I see posters say "Watching So-And-So fight got me into boxing". The cult of personality that crops up with that sort of thing warps the outlook of the fan and in my experience they are fans of particular fighters first, fans of boxing second.

Poet
Thinks that's ok, Ali got a lot of fans into the sport as did Louis Dempsey etc.
Ideally someone develops an interest in boxing through a fighter then develops an interest in the sport then other fighters past and present. If I flog my memory it was that way with me and you too I'm sure? Quite a few good posters in here seem to point at Tyson as being the guy who got them interested but post well on a variety of boxers and eras.
Problem is only where fans think boxing begins and ends with the fighter that got them interested.

Ziggy Stardust
07-05-2009, 11:04 AM
Thinks that's ok, Ali got a lot of fans into the sport as did Louis Dempsey etc.
Ideally someone develops an interest in boxing through a fighter then develops an interest in the sport then other fighters past and present. If I flog my memory it was that way with me and you too I'm sure? Quite a few good posters in here seem to point at Tyson as being the guy who got them interested but post well on a variety of boxers and eras.
Problem is only where fans think boxing begins and ends with the fighter that got them interested.

Actually I first got into boxing back in the early 70s (72 or 73) when I was like four or five watching ABC's Wide World Of Sports on Saturdays: Boxing was, in fact, my first sport. There wasn't any one boxer that got me into it. I watched the bouts and fell in love with the sport. I have always been a fan of the boxing first, individual fighters second.

That being said, there are fighters that I'm a fan of. However, because I place the sport itself first, it allows me to be objective when evaluating even those fighters I'm fond of.

Poet

Thread Stealer
07-05-2009, 09:46 PM
I would say it was the whole 1990-91 period which got me into boxing hard-core.

I watched some fights before that (Tyson title fights in the late 80s, Leonard-Hearns 2), but 1990-91 really got me hooked. Chavez-Taylor 1, Douglas-Tyson, Holyfield-Foreman, Tyson-Ruddock 1-2, Toney-Nunn, Norris-Leonard, etc..

DC Fight Fan
07-06-2009, 04:05 PM
No disrespect to Spinks but being a 35 year old who became a serious fan at an early age in the early 80's, I have to go with Michael Moorer as my #1.

Spinks #2, but Double M #1.

Moorer was a murderer at LH. 22-0 (22 KO's) as a Light Heavyweight. I remember seeing him for the first time on an ESPN show in the late 80's and watching the opponent become intimidated the moment Moorer stepped into the ring.

It's not like he was a failure as a heavyweight either. I know history has not been kind to him, a lot of that he can blame himself for, but nobody can take the masterful performance over Evander away from him.

JAB5239
07-06-2009, 10:29 PM
No disrespect to Spinks but being a 35 year old who became a serious fan at an early age in the early 80's, I have to go with Michael Moorer as my #1.

Spinks #2, but Double M #1.

Moorer was a murderer at LH. 22-0 (22 KO's) as a Light Heavyweight. I remember seeing him for the first time on an ESPN show in the late 80's and watching the opponent become intimidated the moment Moorer stepped into the ring.

It's not like he was a failure as a heavyweight either. I know history has not been kind to him, a lot of that he can blame himself for, but nobody can take the masterful performance over Evander away from him.

No disrespect, but Moorer beat nobodies and second raters at 175, Spinks beat top flight comp in one of lightheavyweights toughest era's. Looking at it from an objective standpoint, Moorer doesn't belong in the top 10 let alone number one.

Thread Stealer
07-07-2009, 12:27 AM
Spinks came out on top in one of the best LHW eras ever. Moorer's opposition was limited, and his title came in the inaguaral WBO belt against a guy who'd lost his last 2 fights.

I'm not too sold on Moorer's chances against the greats of the division, although I guess it's a given that he's a live underdog due to his power (and size).

LondonRingRules
07-07-2009, 01:55 AM
Spinks came out on top in one of the best LHW eras ever. Moorer's opposition was limited, and his title came in the inaguaral WBO belt against a guy who'd lost his last 2 fights.

I'm not too sold on Moorer's chances against the greats of the division, although I guess it's a given that he's a live underdog due to his power (and size).

** A very live underdog very much underappreciated as a fighter. His LH comp may have lacked the legacy glitter that everyone wants to goo-goo over, but the manner in which he takes care of business against solid opposition is spectacular.

Remember, he's not turning pro with a big TV contract as a storied set of Olympic Gold Medal brothers, he's just a big dangerous lefty fighting who they put in front of him.

People forget that he was the first southpaw heavy champ and how hard it was for lefties to get opportunities. Just ask Marvin how long his road was. His LH creditials may pale to MSpinks, but his heavy credentials surpass Spinks who's also underappreciated because he was always overshadowed by the comedic flash of his brother. Unlike Spinks, Moorer's majority careeer is in the heavy ranks and not many know he's the 3x champ having won the WBO by dispatching Cooper earlier than Holyroid did the year before he ever beat Holy. Moreover, he actually beat a prime Holy into retirement for a year. Lest anyone disparage this title, it's every bit as valid as the King/WBA title that allows Holy his 4th title.

Moorer won his third title over a prime Shultz in Germany, and we now know how hard it is to win decisions over popular German based fighters in Germany. Many considered Shultz the true lineal champ due to the perception he was robbed against Foreman. That would make Moorer the first ever heavy to win a title in Germany me thinks.

Moorer defended against two undefeated fighters, Botha and Bean, not the biggest names but noted era contenders who moved on to bigger fights. Yet again, he's doing this in the shadow of Bowe/Holy trilogy, Tyson, and Lewis, not getting a lot of credit. Had he chose to use his boxing skills instead of standing ring center with Big George and trade, boxing history would paint a completely different story.

He'll be a fringe contender to the HOF in years to come. Don't know if he'll make it, but he's got a better record than many in there. It's more a public relations problem with him as his prickly personality and dark side don't endear him to the boxing fans and establishment. On his day, however, he's game against most any LH through heavy you can dredge up. Lefties are dominating the title ranks out of proportion to their numbers now because of opportunity that he helped to create.

joseph5620
07-07-2009, 09:44 PM
No disrespect, but Moorer beat nobodies and second raters at 175, Spinks beat top flight comp in one of lightheavyweights toughest era's. Looking at it from an objective standpoint, Moorer doesn't belong in the top 10 let alone number one.

JAB, I wish that other people on this site were as smart as you. Your post is 100 percent correct.

JAB5239
07-08-2009, 05:35 AM
JAB, I wish that other people on this site were as smart as you. Your post is 100 percent correct.

Kind words from a great guy. Thanks Joe.