View Full Version : who had the better carrer/story? B-hop or Jones?


TredKiller
06-20-2009, 07:41 PM
who had the better carrer in terms of there story, resume, accomplishments, fighting style???

resumes:

Jones: undefeated Toney, Hill, hopkins, Pazienza, McCallum, Griffin, Harding, woods, ruiz, tarver, past it trinadad.

B-hop: undefeated lipsey, jackson, undefeated johnson, undefeated Echols, holmes, undefeated trinadad, past it oscar, joppy, eastman, tarver, wright, undefeated pavlik.

story's:

Jones: ripped of at the olimpics. dominated almost everyone he fought,
is the only former MW champ to become HW champ in 100 years,
only lost when going back down in wieght. only real losses past his prime.

B-hop: turnd pro after coming out of the penatentury. lost his first fight by MD, had a winning streak, then lost to RJJ, some say he was to "green" for the fight. held the MW championship for a LONG time, makeing 20 defenses,
only started losing in his 40's. went up to LHW when 40 years old, and beat the champ. and in his 40's is still beating elite level fighters.

fighting style:

Jones: very fast, not very fundumentally sound boxer, but very fast with power.

B-hop: in his prime a defensive fighter, but with a good workrate, as he got older, very defensive, tactical.

MANGLER
06-20-2009, 07:45 PM
RJ had the better career. I guess his 'story' ain't as good cuz he came from the Olympics (even tho he was robbed blind), and Bhop aged much better.

Obama
06-21-2009, 01:24 AM
Lot of holes there. Echols wasn't undefeated, Oscar wasn't past it, then plenty of other guys that were past it aren't listed as past it. Not to mention, you haven't even listed all the credible opponents each fighter beat. But I digress...

story: B-Hop
resume: B-Hop
paper accomplishments: RJJ
fighting style: RJJ more spectacular, B-Hop more effective to withstand the test of time

mickey malone
06-21-2009, 06:51 AM
Another tough one...
I say Hopkins had the better career, as it so often appears (on this forum) he is the more popular fighter (especially in the USA) So public demand gives him the nod...
However, Hopkins couldn't beat Jones (infact, he got totally shut out, & in my opinion, still would) Not only that, but Jones done the biz at Heavy, & all told, won more titles..
What goes against Jones, were the weight weakend defeats against Tarver & Johnson... Two fighters, that were both schooled by Hopkins... Hopkins has never been KTFO...
I give this one to B/Hop, but only on the irony that Jones moving up to heavy affected his resolve... Also, will Jones still be doing it at 45? I doubt it.....

TredKiller
06-21-2009, 09:57 AM
Lot of holes there. Echols wasn't undefeated, Oscar wasn't past it, then plenty of other guys that were past it aren't listed as past it. Not to mention, you haven't even listed all the credible opponents each fighter beat. But I digress...
story: B-Hop
resume: B-Hop
paper accomplishments: RJJ
fighting style: RJJ more spectacular, B-Hop more effective to withstand the test of time

well i typed it over fast, and jus got out of work, gimmie a break lol

Another tough one...
I say Hopkins had the better career, as it so often appears (on this forum) he is the more popular fighter (especially in the USA) So public demand gives him the nod...
However, Hopkins couldn't beat Jones (infact, he got totally shut out, & in my opinion, still would) Not only that, but Jones done the biz at Heavy, & all told, won more titles..
What goes against Jones, were the weight weakend defeats against Tarver & Johnson... Two fighters, that were both schooled by Hopkins... Hopkins has never been KTFO...
I give this one to B/Hop, but only on the irony that Jones moving up to heavy affected his resolve... Also, will Jones still be doing it at 45? I doubt it.....

i agree

colly10
06-21-2009, 11:09 AM
Jones in his prime beats b-hop in his prime. Hopkins has obviously had a better career because he has managed to stay at the top for so long but Jones was the greater fighter

Ivansmamma
06-21-2009, 11:30 AM
Both have great careers but i think Jones are greater, Jones moved up in weight, his biggest wins are against bigger fighters, Hopkins biggest wins are against smaller figthers like De La Hoya, Trinidad Pavlik. Some say Jones didnt take risks but i think he took more risks than Hopkins. Jones beat Hopkins when they fougt. But on the other hand Hopkins never got KO:d. Roy was greater in his prime but Hopkins career had more longevity.

Bushbaby
06-21-2009, 12:39 PM
Hopkins has the better career,he has never been dominated,he was the underdog on 3 occations that I'm aware of and he's never been stopped!!Plus he is the best defensive fighter of the last 2 decades!!

Obama
06-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Another tough one...
I say Hopkins had the better career, as it so often appears (on this forum) he is the more popular fighter (especially in the USA) So public demand gives him the nod...
However, Hopkins couldn't beat Jones (infact, he got totally shut out, & in my opinion, still would) Not only that, but Jones done the biz at Heavy, & all told, won more titles..
What goes against Jones, were the weight weakend defeats against Tarver & Johnson... Two fighters, that were both schooled by Hopkins... Hopkins has never been KTFO...
I give this one to B/Hop, but only on the irony that Jones moving up to heavy affected his resolve... Also, will Jones still be doing it at 45? I doubt it.....

:wtf1: You can't be serious. Roy Jones is washed up. He hasn't beat a credible fighter since the first Tarver fight, which many don't believe he deserved to win.

Uturn
06-21-2009, 04:12 PM
Probably Hopkins, he's had a better career (never really been dominated in any fights). I think Prime Jones was the better fighter though. Jones should have called it a day a while ago. He's only making things worse for himself!

mickey malone
06-21-2009, 05:32 PM
:wtf1: You can't be serious. Roy Jones is washed up. He hasn't beat a credible fighter since the first Tarver fight, which many don't believe he deserved to win.
Of course I am.....
I answered the question....
Hopkins won't be able to cope with Jones's style when he's 50...
Just the way it is.....
Granted.... Hopkins can beat the fighters Jones can't.... But, lets face it.... Styles make fights, and Jones DOES have that particular style that B/Hop simply cannot deal with...
The reason being... He's devoid of counters, which is what Hopkins is all about....
Hopkins has more resolve.... That's my moniker...

mickey malone
06-21-2009, 05:41 PM
Probably Hopkins, he's had a better career (never really been dominated in any fights). I think Prime Jones was the better fighter though. Jones should have called it a day a while ago. He's only making things worse for himself!
Who told Tyson to say that?????
Personally, I prefer his originals...
Vs Biggs: "I had him in the corner & threw some powerful body shots... He started making womanly gestures & squealing like a girl.... Jeeeeees,! Not even my wife makes noises like that!" (Quote: By Mike Tyson while married to Robbing Gibbons)

TYSON: UN EDITED.....

Obama
06-21-2009, 05:50 PM
Of course I am.....
I answered the question....
Hopkins won't be able to cope with Jones's style when he's 50...
Just the way it is.....
Granted.... Hopkins can beat the fighters Jones can't.... But, lets face it.... Styles make fights, and Jones DOES have that particular style that B/Hop simply cannot deal with...
The reason being... He's devoid of counters, which is what Hopkins is all about....
Hopkins has more resolve.... That's my moniker...

You'd simply just be wrong. Jones' reflexes are shot. Hopkins will be the aggressor as he was in the first fight, and he will land this time around guaranteed. Also, he's 44. And right NOW, he rapes Jones.

TredKiller
06-21-2009, 08:29 PM
You'd simply just be wrong. Jones' reflexes are shot. Hopkins will be the aggressor as he was in the first fight, and he will land this time around guaranteed. Also, he's 44. And right NOW, he rapes Jones.

true, very true,

but i think he meant prime for prime

Obama
06-21-2009, 09:03 PM
true, very true,

but i think he meant prime for prime

Pretty sure he means right now...

LondonRingRules
06-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Lot of holes there. Echols wasn't undefeated, Oscar wasn't past it, then plenty of other guys that were past it aren't listed as past it. Not to mention, you haven't even listed all the credible opponents each fighter beat. But I digress...

story: B-Hop
resume: B-Hop
paper accomplishments: RJJ
fighting style: RJJ more spectacular, B-Hop more effective to withstand the test of time

** Hey, Mugsy, congrats on finally picking a Philly fighter actually using a Philly shell defense.

Credit where credit is due, but, alas, as is your pattern, any detailed analysis quickly falls into hazy logic and intellectual torpor.

Popsy never dominated divisions and p4p lists like Roy did. Roy at one time had a significant push by mainstream insiders, press, and public at large as the best fighter ever. He had to have been the Ring #1 for 90% of the time between 94-03.

Popsy never entered the top p4p 10 until half way through his title run, and only got to be #1 for 2 years after Roy was dethroned by Tarver. Moreover, Roy beat the p4p #1 in a straight up fight to earn his status, beat in this case being a euphemism for clowning Toney in one of the most embarrassing shutdowns of a top fighter in history.

Career record: 53-5, 39 KO vs 49-5-1, 32 KO---Advantage Roy.
Title record: 23-4 vs 21-3-1-------Advantage Roy.
Record against HOFers: 5-1 vs 3-2-----Advantage Roy.
Division titles: 4-2-------Advantage Roy.
Years as majority unified champ(3 of 4 belts minimum): 6 vs 4------Advantage Roy.
Maximum weight fought above debut weight: 39 vs -3 --------Advantage Roy.
3 best prime opponents beat: Popkins, Toney, Ruiz vs Johnson, Tito, Pavlik--------Advantage Roy.
Head to head ring results: 1 vs 0---------Advantage Roy.
KO losses: 2 vs 0-------Advantage Popsy.
3 best prime bigger men beat: Toney, Hill, Ruiz vs Zipp0---------Advantage Roy.
HBO headliner: ------------Advantage Roy.
Ring earning$: ----------Advantage Roy.
HBO announcer: ----------Advantage Roy.
Number of dog champions: --------Advantage Roy.

Alright now, enough of that. We, not you, already knew the picture. Yeah, looks like Roy's paper accomplishments have papered Popsy into a well preserved, well deserved mummy with enough paper left over for your minder to keep you in wipes for your lifetime.

I tell you Mugsy, you're more fun than a barrel of circus clowns.......:birthday:

TredKiller
06-21-2009, 09:51 PM
** Hey, Mugsy, congrats on finally picking a Philly fighter actually using a Philly shell defense.

Credit where credit is due, but, alas, as is your pattern, any detailed analysis quickly falls into hazy logic and intellectual torpor.

Popsy never dominated divisions and p4p lists like Roy did. Roy at one time had a significant push by mainstream insiders, press, and public at large as the best fighter ever. He had to have been the Ring #1 for 90% of the time between 94-03.

Popsy never entered the top p4p 10 until half way through his title run, and only got to be #1 for 2 years after Roy was dethroned by Tarver. Moreover, Roy beat the p4p #1 in a straight up fight to earn his status, beat in this case being a euphemism for clowning Toney in one of the most embarrassing shutdowns of a top fighter in history.

Career record: 53-5, 39 KO vs 49-5-1, 32 KO---Advantage Roy.
Title record: 23-4 vs 21-3-1-------Advantage Roy.
Record against HOFers: 5-1 vs 3-2-----Advantage Roy.
Division titles: 4-2-------Advantage Roy.
Years as majority unified champ(3 of 4 belts minimum): 6 vs 4------Advantage Roy.
Maximum weight fought above debut weight: 39 vs -3 --------Advantage Roy.
3 best prime opponents beat: Popkins, Toney, Ruiz vs Johnson, Tito, Pavlik--------Advantage Roy.
Head to head ring results: 1 vs 0---------Advantage Roy.
KO losses: 2 vs 0-------Advantage Popsy.
3 best prime bigger men beat: Toney, Hill, Ruiz vs Zipp0---------Advantage Roy.
HBO headliner: ------------Advantage Roy.
Ring earning$: ----------Advantage Roy.
HBO announcer: ----------Advantage Roy.Number of dog champions: --------Advantage Roy.

Alright now, enough of that. We, not you, already knew the picture. Yeah, looks like Roy's paper accomplishments have papered Popsy into a well preserved, well deserved mummy with enough paper left over for your minder to keep you in wipes for your lifetime.

I tell you Mugsy, you're more fun than a barrel of circus clowns.......:birthday:

B-hop dominated the MW division when he was undisputed champ.

HBO never took to B-hop, its not his fault, its jus the damn HBO.

Obama
06-21-2009, 10:01 PM
Does this clown realize B-Hop took #1 p4p before Roy got beat by Tarver? Hopkins took it sometime after he beat Trinidad, then Roy took it back after he beat Ruiz, but that was short lived.

BEEHOP
06-22-2009, 12:51 AM
hopkins, if jones would have retired 6 years ago then maybe RJJ

JAB5239
06-22-2009, 01:09 AM
Hopkins has the better career,he has never been dominated,he was the underdog on 3 occations that I'm aware of and he's never been stopped!!Plus he is the best defensive fighter of the last 2 decades!!


Hop was not better defensively than Pernell and probably not Floyd.

boxxerr
06-22-2009, 08:30 AM
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Abstraction
06-22-2009, 11:08 AM
Hopkins career is much better.

He had a rough childhood, now he lives clean, No Women, Drugs or Alcohol, Very healthy for his age etc.

CCobra
06-22-2009, 04:34 PM
Does this clown realize B-Hop took #1 p4p before Roy got beat by Tarver? Hopkins took it sometime after he beat Trinidad, then Roy took it back after he beat Ruiz, but that was short lived.

You're correct. Hopkins took the P4P for the year ending 2002 and Jones took it back in 2003, but as you said it was short lived.

Hopkins beat the better opposition on a more consistent basis and has the longevity to go with it as well. Even at the age of 44 he's still an elite fighter which is quite an accomplishment. Hopkins also has the better story to his career and I don't think that is up for debate.