There are a lot of Vitaly Klitchko haters/doubters out there and I think that many are off base. I do realize that it may be me that is offbase-it could just be that I am so ready/hopeful/praying...for someone to take hold of the division and dominate it that I could have blinders on, but for now I don't think that is the case.

People out there act like Vklit was beaten by Chris Byrd, well it does count as a loss but If I were Chris Byrd that is no victory that I would be bragging about, he got his ass kicked in that fight as was the most surprised man in the arena when Vitaly decided to hang it up with a huge lead on the cards...Give VK the benefit of the doubt here after all for the entire fight he dominated a guy that is supposedly one of the most if not the most difficult fighters to fight. If he quits again then lets talk about it.

VKLIT v. LEWIS...This is his biggest argument and why fans should think a bit more of him. I am not going too say that he was going to win that fight, it was in all reality either mans fight going into the 7th. Vklit was a bit out of steam and was somewhat hurt and Lewis barely landed on his stewl at the end of the 6th, both men appeared to be done! He hurt Lewis repeately in this fight and throughout the bout took huge shots and showed as he has recently that he knows how too survive when he needs too, unlike his brother. What I find interesting and solidifying in Vklit's case is that Lewis did not want a rematch? What the hell? What the hell? Lewis said that he had done everything he needed to do and his legacy was complete....wrong! Lewis let a guy bang him around for six rounds, Lewis was lucky in a way with the cut, the punch was not a clean cut right hand, it landed high and his glove slid up Vitaly's face, it looked like a half punch half duck tape cut too me. When Lewis was supposedly in his prime he let a big unccoordinated quitter take the fight too him and at the time of the stoppage this quitter was up on all cards. Thats Lennox's last fight...why no rematch?

No rematch because this guy is better than you think, Lewis figured that the public would give him a pass because he was not in shape (Manny Steward said he was in great shape, and two weeks before when the Johnson fight was in jeopardy Jim Lampley was interviewing Lennox talking about what great shape he was in and how it would be a shame if the Johnson fight did not come off)
and he underestimated the guy, Lewis figured that everyone new that if he was primed and ready to go then it would have been an easy night. Is that what he figured? Manny Steward and Lennox knew that a rematch was nothing like a rematch with McCall or Rock, they were facing a guy that matched up very well with them. In all reality Rock doesn't match up well with LEwis, like Rock said I couldn't even get close too him in the second fight. Vitaly can and would've.

The fact that Lennox refused a rematch with a guy who was beating him should tell you that this guy is legit or at the very least better than you think. He smoked Kirk Johnson like no one else has, he was nailed with some huge lefts in the sanders fight(ones that he never saw coming, oh by the way he had never fought a southpaw before), easily survived and dished out a monster beating, he has been incredibly resourceful with his punches showing that he does watch weak fighters like WladKLIT and yes...he learns from their mistakes. He will thrash Danny Willians as well with relative ease. After the Williams fight there will still be people out there that think he sucks. The only thing that I know for sure is that it won't be me and more importantly it won't be Lennox Lewis.

why couldn't you have just annexed this to one of the other five dozen vitali-worship threads?

Praising a guy based on a loss in a fight that only made it halfway through is grounds for a little respect, but not worldwide recognized champion.

Save it.

Scap, you seem to forget a few things. First off, Chris Byrd, who you say was getting his ass kicked (which is just not true-have you seen the fight? Byrd was losing b/c he wasn't doing enough ofeensively but it was far from a beating . . .), is a southpaw, so Sanders was not the first southpaw he fought. You also conveniently forget that not only was Lewis out of shape from a year layoff from boxing, but the man was 37 years old and would've been at least 38 in the rematch. Lewis's reflexes had clearly eroded by watching the film. A fighter at that age is washed up, especially a fighter who isn't religious when it comes to training and fighting (like Hopkins, who is a fighter who comes around once in a lifetime). Lewis had every right to go out on a winning note as he knew he wouldn't be able to be at his best for another fight.

dude i get what ur saying..the fight vs sanders was great (and lewis ***** a** didnt even wanna fight sander's when sander was game..lewis was like i dont fight my friends)..anyway..no u wont get vitali respect by making a thread...vitali will beat williams..then after that fight however he faces after that fight will say a lot about him...but after sometime if he keeps winning and getting good fights people will start to respect him..

but thread will do what manny pacquaio fans do, which is push their fighter on you, which after awhile you start hating them for that

so give vitali time to gain his respect if he doea which i think he will...

after williams fight it might be byrd vs vitali since byrd said he didnt wanna fight ruiz...so their is vitali's chance to get some respect

i give VK repsect for being the only guy to KO donald, johnson and bean.... plus his win over sanders... who else has been more impressive than VK in the last 2 years?? ruiz? byrd? toney? rahman? nope.....

VK was only getting the better of lewis for the first half of the fight, well maybe a bit more, leewis was looking on top after that, however, i dont think lewis was at his best for that fight, his reflexes were lessening and so was his skill

he was right not to fight a rematch, end of the day he was going to be 38, why face the chance of loosing when you can go out on the top

respect lewis, he made the h/w division intresting unlike anyother fighter can today

and if lewis were to fight williams, there wouldnt be any doubters as to who would win, as there is in the VKlitorous case

I agree with Hurlex. I think that you should leave it to Vitaly to make people respect him.
Remember how LEwis was hated when he just became a champ. Now most of the people put him in Top Ten of the greatest HW's. Let Vitaly fight and win and more people will respect him. But as far as your post goes it's a "little" too much. In these fights you saw only what you wanted. It happens to all of us. Thats why there is som mush controversy and argument about fights like VK vs. Lewis or DLH vs. Trinidad for example.

Scap, you seem to forget a few things. First off, Chris Byrd, who you say was getting his ass kicked (which is just not true-have you seen the fight? Byrd was losing b/c he wasn't doing enough ofeensively but it was far from a beating . . .), is a southpaw, so Sanders was not the first southpaw he fought. You also conveniently forget that not only was Lewis out of shape from a year layoff from boxing, but the man was 37 years old and would've been at least 38 in the rematch. Lewis's reflexes had clearly eroded by watching the film. A fighter at that age is washed up, especially a fighter who isn't religious when it comes to training and fighting (like Hopkins, who is a fighter who comes around once in a lifetime). Lewis had every right to go out on a winning note as he knew he wouldn't be able to be at his best for another fight.

Ok I may have made a mistake on the southpaw thing, that is what was reported, is Byrd a true southpaw? Ok Byrd was not getting beat down like he did against Wlad but all he had to do was continue to breath in the ring for another 2 rounds and he was the easy winner sorry for overstating it a bit, oh I have seen the fight, I own it. You make valid points as there are many points and angles that can be made. However the excuse that Lewis was out of shape is something that MAnny Steward has repeatedly made a point to deny. Why would Manny continue on several occassions to say that Lewis was in shape for that fight, ask him today and he will flat out tell you that LEwis being out of shape is bull****. After the Tyson fight everyone was saying that Lewis was in his prime, what the hell, one year after that his reflexes are shot and he sucks?

I am not a Vitally lover, there are lots of fighters that I root for a lot harder than VK, howver in this division he in my mind is far and away the best fighter there is. Basically you proved my point, you say that Lewis was too old, reflexes shot etc, basically you say the same thing that Manny Steward probably said too Lennox...."Son I don't know if you can win this one."

Of the top 15 ranked heavyweights (updated Nov 14),

Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Sanders)
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the IBF
Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Hoffman)
Ranked Opponents - 2
Different Ranked Opponents - 2

IBF Champ Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (VKlitschko)
Byrd has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (McCline, Holyfield)
Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (McCline..plus vacated Klit)
Byrd has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBO
Ranked opponents - 4
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Rahman)
Ruiz has THREE wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (Rahman, Golota, Holyfield)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Rahman)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Rahman)
Ranked opponents - 5
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Brewster has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBC (W Klitshcko, Meehan)
Brewster has TWO Wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (W Klitschko, Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (W Klitschko)
Ranked opponents - 6
Different ranked opponents - 2

I know some guys are ranked by more than one organization, but doesn't that make them more credible contenders? Now why is Vitali called "The man"?

ruiz has the est boxing remuse' lol..anyway..yeah let vitali gai his respect man,....in the mean time...watch winky/mosley-castillo/casa and mab/moralesin next few weeks...all good fights

the rankings by alphabet organizations are meaningless.... how did meehan get ranked??? who did he beat??

how did golota get ranked before his fight with byrd?? who did he beat, he handn't even fought in two years....

go all the way back to when lewis gave up the WBA title instead of fighting ruiz, the #1 contender... ruiz beat nobody but king got him the #1 position.... there is no credibility to those rankings....

Vitali would get murdered by Toney, end of story. He might be able to beat Byrd, would KO Ruiz, Golota would be a good fight, Brewster shouldn't even bother getting in the ring because he'd get KTFO in 2 rounds, and Guinn would knock him into next week.

Recap: Vitali can beat almost every HW except Toney, Golota, and Guinn and MIGHT beat Byrd. How is he the man?

toney has only beaten one heaveyweight, holyfield... and we all know how shot he is....

toney has only beaten one heaveyweight, holyfield... and we all know how shot he is....

I'm not a Vitali hater, but I think it's ridiculous not to be a Vitali doubter.

Someone using Vaughn Bean and Larry Donald to defend the most dominant man in the heavyweight division is resorting to outrageous depths...

Kirk Johnson and Corrie Sanders were both past their prime, and both very very out of shape.

Vitali needs to face some of these guys who actually ranked before he earns the respect so many have already given him. How would he do against Byrd (again), Ruiz, Toney, Rahman, Guinn, etc.

Who knows til he actually signs to fight them?

i agree that VK isnt god, but it seems silly not to say he's the man in the division right now....

byrd and ruiz are only fighting other don king fighters, while VK is KOing the best guys available... sanders and KJ are better comp then golota, holyfield, mccline and fres....

i agree that VK isnt god, but it seems silly not to say he's the man in the division right now....

byrd and ruiz are only fighting other don king fighters, while VK is KOing the best guys available... sanders and KJ are better comp then golota, holyfield, mccline and fres....

were you grimacing while typing that kirk johnson is better than any of those guys?

Currently I can't see Vitaly losing to any on e in the division, I still have my doubts about him but compared to the rest of the division I think he is easily the man too beat!

Ruiz-keeps winning but VK would cut him down!
Byrd-No problem, Byrd is not that good, if he was 230 pounds people would have said that along time ago. How many decisions can this guy get?
Brewster-horrible
VKlit-the best of the worst and maybe, just maybe better than many think, that is all I am saying!

johnson sucks, but golota, fres and mcline suck worse... golota couldn't beat GRANT.....

There are a lot of Vitaly Klitchko haters/doubters out there and I think that many are off base. I do realize that it may be me that is offbase-it could just be that I am so ready/hopeful/praying...for someone to take hold of the division and dominate it that I could have blinders on, but for now I don't think that is the case.

People out there act like Vklit was beaten by Chris Byrd, well it does count as a loss but If I were Chris Byrd that is no victory that I would be bragging about, he got his ass kicked in that fight as was the most surprised man in the arena when Vitaly decided to hang it up with a huge lead on the cards...Give VK the benefit of the doubt here after all for the entire fight he dominated a guy that is supposedly one of the most if not the most difficult fighters to fight. If he quits again then lets talk about it.

VKLIT v. LEWIS...This is his biggest argument and why fans should think a bit more of him. I am not going too say that he was going to win that fight, it was in all reality either mans fight going into the 7th. Vklit was a bit out of steam and was somewhat hurt and Lewis barely landed on his stewl at the end of the 6th, both men appeared to be done! He hurt Lewis repeately in this fight and throughout the bout took huge shots and showed as he has recently that he knows how too survive when he needs too, unlike his brother. What I find interesting and solidifying in Vklit's case is that Lewis did not want a rematch? What the hell? What the hell? Lewis said that he had done everything he needed to do and his legacy was complete....wrong! Lewis let a guy bang him around for six rounds, Lewis was lucky in a way with the cut, the punch was not a clean cut right hand, it landed high and his glove slid up Vitaly's face, it looked like a half punch half duck tape cut too me. When Lewis was supposedly in his prime he let a big unccoordinated quitter take the fight too him and at the time of the stoppage this quitter was up on all cards. Thats Lennox's last fight...why no rematch?

No rematch because this guy is better than you think, Lewis figured that the public would give him a pass because he was not in shape (Manny Steward said he was in great shape, and two weeks before when the Johnson fight was in jeopardy Jim Lampley was interviewing Lennox talking about what great shape he was in and how it would be a shame if the Johnson fight did not come off)
and he underestimated the guy, Lewis figured that everyone new that if he was primed and ready to go then it would have been an easy night. Is that what he figured? Manny Steward and Lennox knew that a rematch was nothing like a rematch with McCall or Rock, they were facing a guy that matched up very well with them. In all reality Rock doesn't match up well with LEwis, like Rock said I couldn't even get close too him in the second fight. Vitaly can and would've.

The fact that Lennox refused a rematch with a guy who was beating him should tell you that this guy is legit or at the very least better than you think. He smoked Kirk Johnson like no one else has, he was nailed with some huge lefts in the sanders fight(ones that he never saw coming, oh by the way he had never fought a southpaw before), easily survived and dished out a monster beating, he has been incredibly resourceful with his punches showing that he does watch weak fighters like WladKLIT and yes...he learns from their mistakes. He will thrash Danny Willians as well with relative ease. After the Williams fight there will still be people out there that think he sucks. The only thing that I know for sure is that it won't be me and more importantly it won't be Lennox Lewis.



....Great post except for the southpaw error. Yeah Lennox knows the score and that is the most telling thing about V.

Here's the deal - a faded Lewis had problems with VK, but I have no doubt that same faded Lewis could've have probably taken Kirk Johnson, Rahman, Golota, Ruiz, Byrd, or anyone else, without too much problem.

VK annihilated Johnson like no one before or since. He beat up Sanders badly like no one before or since. He was handling Byrd when he quit. He gave a fading but focused Lewis all he could handle. And he's beaten everyone else he faced. I hate to say it, but for now, you'd have to say the Ukrainian robot is the best heavy we've got. End of story.

I dont think Vitali has proved himself great, but he hasnt proved he's not either so I dont see how anyone can be so for or against this man. Until he proves one way or the other why doesnt everyone sit back and wait for something to happen. I agree that just because you have beat ranked fighters makes you anything special. If that was the case Wlad would actually look like a real contender. Vitali beat up who he was supposed to just cause they were fat he gets blamed, is he supposed to train them also? HOW THE **** is Toney ranked who has HE beat to get all this respect? and Im not talking about recently Im talking about EVER he has beat nobody worth a **** except Vassiliy and Nunn. VK has fought just as tough if not tougher competition than Toney, but Toney is just a supreme badass? C'mon now

Vitali gets the type of respect that a Champ deserves, only when he's beaten guys that are worth mentioning. Vitali needs some belts. Unfortunately, until King makes it happen, we fans are left talking about Vitali Klitchko in the context of his recent wins over fat and/or old guys, and his loss to Lewis. That sucks for us and Klit.

You, and several oters who post regularly on this site, argue that Vitali deserves our respect, based on Lewis's refusal of a rematch. Give us a break. Vitali's "respect" must be won in the ring, not by the fact that another man won't fight him again. Lewis was nearing retirement and, just like RJJ, showed-up uninspired and fat. His choice to retire is his and we can't start building Klit's legacy on that LOSS.

Respect comes from your performance. Vitali got some respect for his performance against Lewis, but he simply didn't win that fight, as you said, and we'll never know what was gonna' happen in the next round(s).

Vitali gets the type of respect that a Champ deserves, only when he's beaten guys that are worth mentioning. Vitali needs some belts. Unfortunately, until King makes it happen, we fans are left talking about Vitali Klitchko in the context of his recent wins over fat and/or old guys, and his loss to Lewis. That sucks for us and Klit.

You, and several oters who post regularly on this site, argue that Vitali deserves our respect, based on Lewis's refusal of a rematch. Give us a break. Vitali's "respect" must be won in the ring, not by the fact that another man won't fight him again. Lewis was nearing retirement and, just like RJJ, showed-up uninspired and fat. His choice to retire is his and we can't start building Klit's legacy on that LOSS.

Respect comes from your performance. Vitali got some respect for his performance against Lewis, but he simply didn't win that fight, as you said, and we'll never know what was gonna' happen in the next round(s).If Lewis was fat and uninspired he would have never made it too the sixth round, yes of course we start building Klits legacy off of the Lewis fight...that is his beginning! His legacy may go up in flames in the next fight or two but if it doesnt and he stays undefeated for five years his legacy began on the night in which he battled LEnnox...period!
Again I am not saying the Vitaly is the ****, all I am saying is that he is better than any other heavy out there right now, which doesn't say much but it still counts for something...Time will tell how good this guy is but right now he is the best...Who else is there? I love James Toney (he has beaten more than just Jirov/Nunn...McCallum twice, PRime Reggie Johnson-something Tarver could barely do when Johnson was way past prime, pummeled Iran Barkley etc)but someone earlier said it best, James Toney beat Evander...Evander is shot, Lennox was not shot! If you fight Toney the right way and don't come after him you can have a much easier time with him, VK is resourceful-he won't come at Toney, Toney will get cracked with a long jab and be forced to attack....Toney never attacks so he will have to change as a fighter. No more beating a dead horse, we do have to sit back and watch and see what happens, but if he knocks out Williams then what do you have? Ruiz/Byrd who who squeek out fight after fight...or Vitally who ****s people up...you stick with Byrd and Ruiz I'll take my chances with VK...

Aaaah its this discussion again okay.

Vit is the best in the division, a bad division yes but stil the best out there.

His newer been knocked out, beaten upp ore outbox neither as an amature ore pro.

His two losses are due to damages not outboxing, the one against LL because of elegal action.

Had he not been unlucky against Byrd and had he the ref done his job ore LL hadent cheated, he would have been undefeated.

His losses are bull****.

His the best there is right now, give the guy the respect he deserves, for being polite, fore showing upp in shape and for newer getting truly beaten.

And you can on and on about LL not being in shape, what do think is the worst change from the man vit was sopossed to fight to fighting LL. Ore from Klitschko to Johson?

Vit had a bigger difference and LL exactly the same amount of time to prepare for Vit as Vit to prepare for LL.

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

I think people said Lewis was in his prime because they thought he was in his prime. I personally think there is no fighter 34-37 that has ever been better than Lewis. I don't know about a headbut I just know that the right hand landed high and LEwis scraped VK with the tape on his gloves. I will say this about Lewis, he ws never very consistent, the guy never put a string of five or six good fights together, he always struggled...looked amazing and then would struggle again. Again time will tell with VK, time will tell.

So Johnson weighing 260 lbs means nothing? (and don't say it didn't matter b/c it went 2 rounds. If you've ever boxed you'd know that fighting so grossly out of shape effects you from the opening bell). Sanders got KO'd by Nate Tubbs for a 10 count and was knocked down and TKO'd by Rahman in his prime before Klitschko ever got hold of an old, inactive, and grotesqly out of shape Sanders. And Lewis was not in his prime for Tyson, people were just saying that to make the Tyson loss seem not as bad as it was. Lewis has clearly been slipping as a fighter ever since Rahman 1. (and illegal action?? You're not a believer of the Lewis headbutt theory are you? Geeeeez . . .)
I do respect Vitali as a fighter and I prefer to see him fight then many of the pretenders like Rahman, Ruiz, McCline etc. He may even be the best of the lot right now. But he's done anything to get anybody to sing his praises yet . . .

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Of the top 15 ranked heavyweights (updated Nov 14),

Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Sanders)
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA
Vitali has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the IBF
Vitali has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Hoffman)
Ranked Opponents - 2
Different Ranked Opponents - 2

IBF Champ Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (VKlitschko)
Byrd has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (McCline, Holyfield)
Byrd has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (McCline..plus vacated Klit)
Byrd has ZERO wins over anyone ranked by the WBO
Ranked opponents - 4
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBC (Rahman)
Ruiz has THREE wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (Rahman, Golota, Holyfield)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Rahman)
Ruiz has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (Rahman)
Ranked opponents - 5
Different Ranked opponents - 3

Brewster has TWO wins over anyone ranked by the WBC (W Klitshcko, Meehan)
Brewster has TWO Wins over anyone ranked by the WBA (W Klitschko, Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the IBF (Meehan)
Brewster has ONE win over anyone ranked by the WBO (W Klitschko)
Ranked opponents - 6
Different ranked opponents - 2

I know some guys are ranked by more than one organization, but doesn't that make them more credible contenders? Now why is Vitali called "The man"?

That is a completely biased list. You can't do a list with people's current rankings. You would have to be crazy to think that Holyfield and Meehan will still be ranked in November. Vitali v. Donald was a WBA heavyweight title eliminator bout. It matters where they were ranked when they fought Vitali, and I can bet that everyone that he has fought since he beat Hide has been in the 15. We all know that Wladimir has the best wins at heavyweight, and that just goes to show you how much that's worth.

i dont post alot but i read alot, and neuraxis, you are all over vitali's dick, he is good but nothing special man, get over it, williams is gonna kayo his ass next month, if he wasnt 6'8 no one would ever have heard of him, he has average skills with good power due to his size, he fought a **** load of bums over there in germany sprinkled in with some contenders thats all

i dont post alot but i read alot, and neuraxis, you are all over vitali's dick, he is good but nothing special man, get over it, williams is gonna kayo his ass next month, if he wasnt 6'8 no one would ever have heard of him, he has average skills with good power due to his size, he fought a **** load of bums over there in germany sprinkled in with some contenders thats all

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That is a completely biased list. You can't do a list with people's current rankings. You would have to be crazy to think that Holyfield and Meehan will still be ranked in November. Vitali v. Donald was a WBA heavyweight title eliminator bout. It matters where they were ranked when they fought Vitali, and I can bet that everyone that he has fought since he beat Hide has been in the 15. We all know that Wladimir has the best wins at heavyweight, and that just goes to show you how much that's worth.


excellent points

guess i hurt your feelings ha?

excellent points

I agree, and its a shame that people like dansweeney have nothing intelligent to add, so he revert to personal attacks realizing that he is beat.

i dont even care about the topic, it seems whenever a klitschko is brought up you chime in with your nuthugger bull**** proclaiming vitali as the next joe ****ing louis or something, i actually like the guy, but your bias toward him is disgusting to the point of rediculousness, you probably have a shrine set up for him or something

i dont even care about the topic, it seems whenever a klitschko is brought up you chime in with your nuthugger bull**** proclaiming vitali as the next joe ****ing louis or something, i actually like the guy, but your bias toward him is disgusting to the point of rediculousness, you probably have a shrine set up for him or something


I don't think Neuraxis has ever claimed that VK is "Joe ****ing Louis" (is there a typo in the middle name?).

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Thats ok, I get owned alot, I mean I am not a very smart guy and your right alot of people on this site are making me look flat out like a ****head....**** do you know how that makes me feel...****!

Anyways I do want to say that I am not a VK nutthugger like some, For the ten millionth time he is the only thing in the division that can possibly(I said possibly) dominate the division. There is no one else. If VK gets ****ed up then the division needs to go looking elswhere for talent because currently he is the only hope.(maybe....Toney....Maybe, but talk about a guy who still has **** too prove). Rock,Ruiz, Byrd,Wlad, Brewster,Tyson,Williams,McCline,Oquendo etc. they all can beat each other on any given night, yet none of them can be the undisputed champion for more than a fight or two if that. I want an ass kicker and right now we only have one hope left.

How do I stop getting owned, do I just post tighter **** or what?

i dont even care about the topic, it seems whenever a klitschko is brought up you chime in with your nuthugger bull**** proclaiming vitali as the next joe ****ing louis or something, i actually like the guy, but your bias toward him is disgusting to the point of rediculousness, you probably have a shrine set up for him or something

So now me saying that a list that only includes current top 15 fighters is biased is equal to me proclaiming him to be the next Joe Louis. Get a life and a clue buddy.

Dansweeny if he wasnt 6'8 nobody would have heard of him? Guess what if Tyson hit like Byrd you never would have heard of him either, if Ali was as fast as butterbean you probably wouldnt have ever heard of him either. The fact is he is a big 6'8" competitior thats why he is what he is, if Lewis had the smae style but was 6'2" with a 76" reach he would get owned, so shut up and please go away.

i give VK repsect for being the only guy to KO donald, johnson and bean.... plus his win over sanders... who else has been more impressive than VK in the last 2 years?? ruiz? byrd? toney? rahman? nope.....

God its so sad.... I have to agree none of them, but what has the heavyweight division come to...Jesus its awful.

Neuraxis,
keep lovin VK if you want, we all need role models. Don't be ashamed of how you feel. At least your role model isn't some adulterous athelete or drugged up musician. Props. Learn from the guy. He has a wife and kids, a Doctorate, knows 5 languages, seems to be sponsered by Boss, has a good relationship with his brother and family, doesn't disrespect others, and desires to be closer to his fans. Good S#$% if you ask me.

As far as the HW division goes... Don't ever use a fight that has anything to do with Don King to judge a boxer or the division. If you really want to see how boxing is going or how good a fighter is, make sure that Don King isn't involved, then watch the two go at it in an honest match-up. ONLY THEN will you have answers. I can be the WBO heavyweight champion if I say "Praise to Don King" enough times, like Lamon Brewster says.

Until we erradicate Don from boxing (and the corruption that he isn't involved in as well), we will never be able to truly speak about the condition of HW boxing as we know it.

Pno

God its so sad.... I have to agree none of them, but what has the heavyweight division come to...Jesus its awful.

Yeah seeing as how 2 big names of the 90s, Bowe and Holyfield could not KO Bean or Donald.

the division is awful, but VK right now is better than anyone else....

VK could have been a factor in the 90's too, where glass chinned guys like michael moorer and bruce seldon won world titles.... not to mention journeymen like oliver mccall and frank bruno....

the division is awful, but VK right now is better than anyone else....

VK could have been a factor in the 90's too, where glass chinned guys like michael moorer and bruce seldon won world titles.... not to mention journeymen like oliver mccall and frank bruno....

And don't be forgetting Frans Botha.

Vitaly is the best.