Alright children, I started this thread 'cause I know Dogg was about to flip off for talking about this on the banner thread. I can even picturing him banging his little feet againt his chair, cursing people out. So Skee-lo, be happy mang.

I find Goa Trance to be fairly aggresive, certainly more aggresive than regular trance.

Mr. Leather, have you heard of Robbie Rivera, Danny Tenaglia, Deep Dish. What do you think about.

Inquiring minds would like to know.

there are 2, and only 2, types of trance out there:

1. ****ty trance
2. ****ty trance but i'm too ****in wasted to pay attention.

Robbie Rivera rules!! He's a master with the filters and he has one of my fav "after" song: "Young must be free". I saw Danny Tenaglia one time at Las Torres de Avila (an old club of BCN) and Deep Dish..mmmm...Is it house music, true?

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Click on "What is Goa?"

Trance sucks. Like I said before, anybody can program a synth.

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Trance sucks. Like I said before, anybody can program a synth.

yeah and then have a chick repeat some harmonious rambling about feeling good all over.

I'm more partial to regular trance and hard trance.

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Techno, Trance, House music, and mexican music all sound the same too me.....

The window burns to light the way back home
A light that warms no matter where they’ve gone

They’re off to find the hero of the day
But what if they should fall by someone’s wicked way

Still the window burns
Time so slowly turns
And someone there is sighing
Keepers of the flames
Do you feel your name?
Did you hear your babies crying?
Mama they try and break me
Still they try and break me

’scuse me while I tend to how to feel
These things return to me that still seem real

Now deservingly this easy chair
But the rocking stopped by wheels of despair

Don’t want your aid
But the fist I make
For you,can’t hold off fear
No not on me
So please excuse me
While I tend to how I feel

Come Susie Dear Lets Take A Walk

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Trance sucks. Like I said before, anybody can program a synth.


ok, then, let's hear your epic trance song then.

HAPPY HARDCORE. that is all.

HAPPY HARDCORE. that is all.

The radical has spoken...

Happy Hardcore is nutz. I like it.

Top DJs to me:

Benny Benassi
Robbie Rivera
Infected Mushroom
Paul Oakenfold

www.thedjlist.com

Tiesto and Van Dyke are definately two of my favorites.
My top 3
Van Dyke
Tiesto
Oakenfold

My Top 5:

Laurent Garnier
Oscar Mulero
Jeff Mills
Surgeon
Luke Slater

I could add Dj Rush, John Aquaviva, Oliver Ho, James Ruskin....

http://digitallyimported.com/mp3/hardcore96k.pls

Kitty, what about Paul Estak, The stunned Guys, Buzz Fuzz, The Masochist...?? Fuking crazy gabber and hardcore bastards!!

http://digitallyimported.com/mp3/hardcore96k.pls
You' would enjoy a lot in Spain with this kind of music (here it's called "makina" too)

Kitty, what about Paul Estak, The stunned Guys, Buzz Fuzz, The Masochist...?? Fuking crazy gabber and hardcore bastards!!

Never heard them. I'm not too into gabber... mainly happy hardcore... like Scott Brown, Hixxy, Cloudskipper, Brisk and Fade... etc.

You' would enjoy a lot in Spain with this kind of music (here it's called "makina" too)

if you go to www.digitallyimported.com there's a lot of other genres... goa/psy trance, hard trance, progressive house, hard house, etc.

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http://www.ravelinks.com/music.htm

I dont get it.......

http://www.ravelinks.com/music.htm


ooOo...

I am not too into happy hardcore myself, but it is ok.

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ok, then, let's hear your epic trance song then.


Maybe I'll make one for you next semester. We do a whole course on Synth and MIDI. All I know is that we made a pretty crappy sounding techno song on the keyboard in about 5 minutes. Shouldn't take too long to make a good one.

There's like 30 sub genres of techno music, and 98% of it sucks.

HAPPY HARDCORE. that is all.

Oh dear god. You're one of them.

I hate raves, smelly kids swinging glowsticks around, taking drugs, and dancing like retards too the most repediative, annoying, headache giving music ever. They're like hippies, but they listen too ****ty music, which makes them worse.....

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I hate raves, smelly kids swinging glowsticks around, taking drugs, and dancing like retards too the most repediative, annoying, headache giving music ever. They're like hippies, but they listen too ****ty music, which makes them worse.....

um....there's also women there.
they don't wear a whole lot either.
kinda helps :)

I hate raves, smelly kids swinging glowsticks around, taking drugs, and dancing like retards too the most repediative, annoying, headache giving music ever. They're like hippies, but they listen too ****ty music, which makes them worse.....

Die.

I owe much of my newfound existence to ravers. Was never into the scene until early this year and I haven't looked back.

Assuming you find a crowd that aren't too into drugs (that's a relative term of phrase btw), they're all really laid back, sexually liberated people.

Only problem is you find a lot of people are all liars and its hard to find the people worth their weight in gold.

I can tolerate HHC in small doses and if I'm in the right mood. My preference is for industrial/EBM so the light that is HHC contrasts to the dark of my genres :)

Rave music, I'm a big fan of Hard Trance/Hard Dance/Hard NRG/Hard House. Stuff with a pulse and a rhythm that I can dance for seven hours straight to. Trance is good for easy listening, atmospheric I find. Oh yeah, and ****ing ;)

In Melbourne we have some ****ing fantastic local DJs and I'm big fans of their work. Specifically I'd be pointing to Jason Midro, Master Kaos, Kelsta, Scott Alert. From Sydney, Nik Fish. International acts I'd love to see Van Dyk and Tiesto at work although there's plenty of others I'd love to see.

I recently got to see Jeff Mills live - a man mixing from *3* turntables is quite impressive to watch. I saw Ferry Corsten too.

Next year will be even better, I will be seeing Carl Cox and Chemical Brothers. Can't wait!!

Die.

I owe much of my newfound existence to ravers. Was never into the scene until early this year and I haven't looked back.

Assuming you find a crowd that aren't too into drugs (that's a relative term of phrase btw), they're all really laid back, sexually liberated people.

Only problem is you find a lot of people are all liars and its hard to find the people worth their weight in gold.

I can tolerate HHC in small doses and if I'm in the right mood. My preference is for industrial/EBM so the light that is HHC contrasts to the dark of my genres :)

Rave music, I'm a big fan of Hard Trance/Hard Dance/Hard NRG/Hard House. Stuff with a pulse and a rhythm that I can dance for seven hours straight to. Trance is good for easy listening, atmospheric I find. Oh yeah, and ****ing ;)

In Melbourne we have some ****ing fantastic local DJs and I'm big fans of their work. Specifically I'd be pointing to Jason Midro, Master Kaos, Kelsta, Scott Alert. From Sydney, Nik Fish. International acts I'd love to see Van Dyk and Tiesto at work although there's plenty of others I'd love to see.

I recently got to see Jeff Mills live - a man mixing from *3* turntables is quite impressive to watch. I saw Ferry Corsten too.

Next year will be even better, I will be seeing Carl Cox and Chemical Brothers. Can't wait!!

Good **** man. Carl Cox is definately world class. He's another one of my favorites.

To all the haters. Don't hate what you know nothing about.

Good **** man. Carl Cox is definately world class. He's another one of my favorites.

To all the haters. Don't hate what you know nothing about.


If there's one thing I know, it's music. I like dynamics and toneality in my music, not repetitive garbage. Techno is boring.

Although, I can understand dancing to it, but not rocking it in your headphones before work or anything.

SO basicly, we're running an MMA forum full of ravers and peace loving hippies.

How the **** does that add up?

Because the only people here that dont like Techno and raves are the only people that post in the MMA forum.......

SO basicly, we're running an MMA forum full of ravers and peace loving hippies.

How the **** does that add up?


I'm gonna put on "Hell Awaits" by Slayer, and headbutt the wall for a while.

SO basicly, we're running an MMA forum full of ravers and peace loving hippies.

How the **** does that add up?

I'm not a raver or a hippie. I just like various forms of techno. I prefer beats instead of hearing someone talking ****. That just my taste.

And I love watching a good fight. MMA is the best form of fighting.

Because the only people here that dont like Techno and raves are the only people that post in the MMA forum.......


Bub abd I post in the MMA forum. So does Paniko. You really don't have a point at all.

Because the only people here that dont like Techno and raves are the only people that post in the MMA forum.......

Liar!!!...now you've lost your semen ice cream with sirope.


I love techno....and death metal, black metal, grind core, ambient, ethnic, bossanova, flamenco, classic, 60's-70's rock...I love music!!! *Except the stupid pop music of nowadays*

I think you posted once in the past 2 weeks, Bub posted maybe 3 times. Paniko about the same.......

Bub abd I post in the MMA forum. So does Paniko. You really don't have a point at all.

SEE THIS POST ****ERS!! SEE IT!!!
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If there's one thing I know, it's music. I like dynamics and toneality in my music, not repetitive garbage. Techno is boring.

Although, I can understand dancing to it, but not rocking it in your headphones before work or anything.

Those who understand techno, love it. It's not as easy as you think. You just making assumptions on some crap techno you may have heard. True, not all techno is great. There's many different styles, though. You have to find the one that fits you. There may even be one that you would like. ****, a year ago Bub sounded just like you.

I saw a guy on Tech TV make a dance song in 10 minutes using a mac laptop and a 4 track recorder.

If it is so hard too do why is there like 1,000,000 Techno "DJs" out there?

I think you posted once in the past 2 weeks, Bub posted maybe 3 times. Paniko about the same.......


Maybe it's because we actually have things to do. Don't try to say that because we like techno, we don't appreciate MMA the same as a guy who likes rock. You're just being a dick.

I'm personlly not much of post whore, so I only post there when something big is going on.

BTW did you notice that most Chute Boxe guys have Techno as their intro music....including V. Silva.

If it is so hard too do why is there like 1,000,000 Techno "DJs" out there?

And yet none of the music sounds the same. Each one has their own style. You're wasting your time kaps. You have no idea what you're talking about.

If it is so hard too do why is there like 1,000,000 Techno "DJs" out there?


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Maybe it's because we actually have things to do. Don't try to say that because we like techno, we don't appreciate MMA the same as a guy who likes rock. You're just being a dick.

I'm personlly not much of post whore, so I only post there when something big is going on.

BTW did you notice that most Chute Boxe guys have Techno as their intro music....including V. Silva.

1. You still manage too post plenty in OT. Curly asked a question and I jokingly answered and you got your pantys in a bunch.

2. Riiight.

3. I havnt liked Chute Boxe since Pele left. BTT plays rap, whats your point?

Damn. That's an ugly as DJ. No one said you had to be pretty to make music though. Have you seen Kiss with out the makeup......

And yet none of the music sounds the same. Each one has their own style. You're wasting your time kaps. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You take **** from a camel and **** from a cow. It's different, but at the same time it's still ****.

1. You still manage too post plenty in OT. Curly asked a question and I jokingly answered and you got your pantys in a bunch.

2. Riiight.

3. I havnt liked Chute Boxe since Pele left. BTT plays rap, whats your point?

1. The MMA Forum barely gets any posts so I lost interest in it. When there's a major fight I'll post again. And I don't post as much as I used too.

2. Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaahh!

3. Your musical preference does not determine whether you should like fighting or not.

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I like raves for fun. I don't think people will ever truly appreciate raves unless they've danced for eight hours straight completely off chops. I like picking up at raves. Some of the most intense experiences of my life have been at raves.

For the music, I love the electronic - rave tunes (specifically the stuff I listed earlier) I love dancing to. You're more likely to catch me listening to Epsilon Minus, Ayria, Rammstein, VNV Nation, Covenant, Type O Negative, KMFDM, Nine Inch Nails outside of a club anyway.

I like all styles of fighting but I like MMA because I think it's the ultimate form of fighting.

You take **** from a camel and **** from a cow. It's different, but at the same time it's still ****.

So true. I listen too all kinds of music, even Country sometimes. But I do not like Techno/Trance/House/whatever. It's like listening too mexican radio, you know they're playing different songs, but each sounds just like the one before....

You take **** from a camel and **** from a cow. It's different, but at the same time it's still ****.

Music has many different forms to make everyone happy.

Music has many different forms to make everyone happy.


Agreed. Dosen't mean the music has to be good to make someone happy.

some techno's ok. it's good for drivin fast and freakin sluts on a dance floor. it has nowhere near the musical depth of blues, rock n roll, or even rap but, in the end, the fans will judge. if there's millions of people diggin it then they're doin somethin right.


btw, try Cradle of Filth's "hell awaits" remake squezze. waaaayyyyyy more evil than slayer's.

Agreed. Dosen't mean the music has to be good to make someone happy.

Agreed. Personally I think the music you listen is ****. But as long as it makes you happy, it is good(for you).

And kaps, county music is one of my most hated forms of music. Absolute crap!!!

I dont care for it much, like I said, sometimes.........

Agreed. Personally I think the music you listen is ****. But as long as it makes you happy, it is good(for you).

And kaps, county music is one of my most hated forms of music. Absolute crap!!!


My musical taste is so broad, it's not even funny. I can put on a Johnny Cash CD one time, the next time put on a Bob Marley CD, and then go listen to Slayer in my car. So you must think a lot of music is ****.

some techno's ok. it's good for drivin fast and freakin sluts on a dance floor. it has nowhere near the musical depth of blues, rock n roll, or even rap but, in the end, the fans will judge. if there's millions of people diggin it then they're doin somethin right.

You see that's where our differences lie. You don't see the depth in the techno like we do. You have to immerse yourself in something to fully appreciate it. It has to click with you first, though, before you make that commitment.

My musical taste is so broad, it's not even funny. I can put on a Johnny Cash CD one time, the next time put on a Bob Marley CD, and then go listen to Slayer in my car. So you must think a lot of music is ****.

I was referring to Slayer type of rock. Bob Marley is cool for all people. ATB(trance artist) made a mix with his lyrics. One of my favs....

You see that's where our differences lie. You don't see the depth in the techno like we do. You have to immerse yourself in something to fully appreciate it. It has to click with you first, though, before you make that commitment.

techno does not have depth. that's a given dude. and i've been going to raves and hangin out in that scene since '92.
when i say 'depth' i'm talkin about skills to make the sounds and soul to back it up. you don't see this in techno and if you do come across a trace of it then it's in such a small dose that it's not possible to compare to other styles of music.

good techno is like good brittany spears. not much talent but it makes people smile & move so you can't really just call it ****ty music in that sense. but it also doesn't mean that the music has depth just cause it makes you wanna dance.

Techno music is about as deep as the 9.99 Wal-Mart kiddie pools.

I was referring to Slayer type of rock.

you might think it's ****ty, but you can't deny the skillz. bostaph's drumming is beyond exquisite, tom's wailing has never lost it's fury, and rarely do you find two guitar players in a band that can collaborate as well as jeff and kerry do. pack that all together with the fact that it's been goin down the same way for the last 22 years with no signs of wear n' tear (rolling stones, bb king, etc.), then top it off by a pointer that Slayer's the first band to throw together the attitude of punk with the fury of metal- a combination that the hardcore scene was fiending for.

like i said, you may not like it, but you can't deny any of the above.

Rave music, I'm a big fan of Hard Trance/Hard Dance/Hard NRG/Hard House. Stuff with a pulse and a rhythm that I can dance for seven hours straight to.


Dj Venom.

I don't think people will ever truly appreciate raves unless they've danced for eight hours straight completely off chops. .


hmmmm.... try 12 straight hours... 10pm-10am!!! damn i was tired after that night... i ****in' love ravin. I too used to hate techno and the rave scene untill I actually got off my ass and went to one... had a lot of fun, and now I'm addicted.

techno may not be "deep" but the **** can MOVE you, and I don't mean dancing. seriously.

exactly. MOVE. and i don't mean just dancing either. i've ****ed, snowboarded, trained, and driven my car very fast to that ****. it's got energy.

OK, I read some of the ignorant babbling going on in here.
1. I am not a raver. Ask Nuno, if anything I am the complete opposite; I don't understand why if you say you like goa trance you're inmediately considered a hippy.
I like music, all forms of it.
And to the retard that said that is an MMA forum yet it is full of people who like "techno"... Wanderlei Silva, Kazushi SAkuraba and others happen to like this ghey ass music and they even use it as they entrance music.
It is just ****ing music to me. Never thought they liking something would make me a hippy or ghey.
It is always the same people making all these assumtions. Just like "soccer is ghey", yet Silva and Cro Cop play for semi-pro teams.

The ****ers in this forum have their minds so open here.

I rather talk about tacos.

well for once, i didn't peg ya a hippy or gay for listenin to techno. and i never said soccer is ghey. soccer just sux.


anywayz, the key to bombalastic tacoage is corn tortillas and cilantro. olives can't hurt either. green sauce is only good w/ chicken.

Olives in tacos is ****ing sacrilage, son.

Nothing but carnitas and maaaaaaaaaddd chile.

naw, not really dude. if you do the whole chicken, green sauce thing then the olives can actually werk. i guess they're not KEY but they definetely can't hurt.

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You are close minded......

And to the retard that said that is an MMA forum yet it is full of people who like "techno"..

touchy little hippy ain't he

As a matter of fact, nobody even said that liking techno = being a hippy, I mentioned that RAVERS are like hippies, and Curly asked how so many RAVERS and Hippies made there way too a MMA forum.......

He's been *****y since the tree hugging democrats lost the election.

He just needs some herbal tea and a bong hit

Tell me you love me.

BTW I dont like olives on Tacos but they're good on Enchiladas........

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What's that supposed too be? I gotta hit the sack cuz Im goin fishing at 5am....

hell i dunno. i passed out right after i did it.

techno does not have depth. that's a given dude. and i've been going to raves and hangin out in that scene since '92.
when i say 'depth' i'm talkin about skills to make the sounds and soul to back it up. you don't see this in techno and if you do come across a trace of it then it's in such a small dose that it's not possible to compare to other styles of music.

good techno is like good brittany spears. not much talent but it makes people smile & move so you can't really just call it ****ty music in that sense. but it also doesn't mean that the music has depth just cause it makes you wanna dance.

You forgot to add IMO at the beggining of your paragraph. Techno has more depth than you realize.

you might think it's ****ty, but you can't deny the skillz. bostaph's drumming is beyond exquisite, tom's wailing has never lost it's fury, and rarely do you find two guitar players in a band that can collaborate as well as jeff and kerry do. pack that all together with the fact that it's been goin down the same way for the last 22 years with no signs of wear n' tear (rolling stones, bb king, etc.), then top it off by a pointer that Slayer's the first band to throw together the attitude of punk with the fury of metal- a combination that the hardcore scene was fiending for.

like i said, you may not like it, but you can't deny any of the above.

Dude, I don't care. It's garbage to me. Notice how you see a different level of depth in Slayer than I do.......

Music is music, bro... I enjoy all different genres.

I just happen to like to dance to Salsa, Merengue, Trance, hip hop. Depends on the mood, son. Even mutha****ing Michael Jackson whenever they play it at the club.

It will be very boring for me to listen to the same type of **** all year long.

I work out with some Lacuna Coil or SlipKnot in the background.

I mastubate myself with Cannibal Corpse....**mmmmmm....Karen McDougal being impaled, grrrrrr**

This is thread has turned even more gay.

BTW, the closest thing I listen to thats trance is Gorillaz.

Yeah Chubbie!!! Talk about threads becoming ghey when your oversized ass is named after the band Creed.

... the closest thing I listen to thats trance is Gorillaz.

Gorillaz?!?!?! The band of the Blur's singer???
Man!!! You need listen more styles!!!

Listen to whatever you like and realize that what you think about someone else's music is strictly your biased opinion and not fact.

Listen to whatever you like and realize that what you think about someone else's music is strictly your biased opinion and not fact.

I never said it was gay because of the subject Nuno. Its just a gay thread. Then again, most threads are.

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I work out with some Lacuna Coil or SlipKnot in the background.

I start out with Mozart. Work up to Ludacris then on to Metallica and Slipknot.
Clasical music is great to work out to.

I have tried some trance and it feels like if I am about to do some aerobics, haven't tried Classical (?), and hip hop is good sometimes.

But nothing pumps you up like some hard ass rock.

You forgot to add IMO at the beggining of your paragraph. Techno has more depth than you realize.

you forgot to add a reason behind your opinion. since you've clearly have no case behind showing how techno music has any significant level of depth then i don't need to add IMO because you just made it a fact.



Dude, I don't care. It's garbage to me. Notice how you see a different level of depth in Slayer than I do.......

yes i know you think it's garbage. notice how i STARTED and ENDED the paragraph stating that? do you really need any further help with this? NOW notice how i not only see a different level of depth in slayer but also explained my point of view? go ahead, try it. you're not going to find any significant level of soul or talent in techno. it's fun to listen to, has energy, and moves you. that's it. no different than a brittany spears fan.

and don't give me that sappy "well we just have different opinions so drop it" ****. if you have a different opinion then you say what your opinion is. unless of course you CAN'T say it, then that just means that your opinion is wrong.

you forgot to add a reason behind your opinion. since you've clearly have no case behind showing how techno music has any significant level of depth then i don't need to add IMO because you just made it a fact.





yes i know you think it's garbage. notice how i STARTED and ENDED the paragraph stating that? do you really need any further help with this? NOW notice how i not only see a different level of depth in slayer but also explained my point of view? go ahead, try it. you're not going to find any significant level of soul or talent in techno. it's fun to listen to, has energy, and moves you. that's it. no different than a brittany spears fan.

and don't give me that sappy "well we just have different opinions so drop it" ****. if you have a different opinion then you say what your opinion is. unless of course you CAN'T say it, then that just means that your opinion is wrong.

I have immerssed myself in techno for many years now. I don't listen to the radio and I only own techno CDs. I have a really good understanding about its intricacies(sp?). Not all techno has depth, then again you could say that about all forms of music. Not all rap has depth, not all rock has depth. There is techno with alot of depth. You just haven't invested the time to find these artists and appreciate their works of art. Yes, I said works of art. Some of the trance I have is very mellow and takes my mind to a whole different world. ATB has a track with Enigma that just blows my mind. What it does for me, may be different that what it does for you. You have to accept that what you think about techno is strictly your opinion and nothing more.

Goa trance? To hard man.. that stuff is for people who have meth for blood and coffee for brains. I prefer somethin a lil more chill-axed.. like on www.accuradio.com .. go to: Hiptronica .. then to: Downbeat. That's the stuff. Disco space then twirl around into Rocky the alley cat with a bit of wine and some candles. Not like Goa the boa.. Restricting! ... hiptronica downbeat is the smooth of smoothsville. Don't be square, man.

I have immerssed myself in techno for many years now. I don't listen to the radio and I only own techno CDs. I have a really good understanding about its intricacies(sp?). Not all techno has depth, then again you could say that about all forms of music. Not all rap has depth, not all rock has depth. There is techno with alot of depth. You just haven't invested the time to find these artists and appreciate their works of art. Yes, I said works of art. Some of the trance I have is very mellow and takes my mind to a whole different world. ATB has a track with Enigma that just blows my mind. What it does for me, may be different that what it does for you. You have to accept that what you think about techno is strictly your opinion and nothing more.

but you haven't shown any depth. you've pointed out how it has various styles and how some of it can bring you into a different world. just cause something has variety doesn't mean it's deep. and if you ONLY own techno cds then that already shows your exposure to other areas of music.

not all rock has depth, not all rap has depth. but you're gonna generally find a LOT more of it than with techno. the skill it took for your favorite "artists" to make your favorite songs requires a fraction of talent then, say, eminem or mos def flowin a freestyle rap, or jimi hendrix or stevie ray hittin a guitar solo.

and what comes out may make you bob your head and feel good. but you're not gonna experience musical soul anywhere near that of one hearing pink floyd, muddy waters, or aretha franklin. and difference of opinion has nothin to do with it considering that you're too close minded to listen to anything else.

Yes, techno has depth. But define depth? Depth in techno music as compared to metal music are two different things.

Take the shallow end of a swimming pool for example, to a three year old kid that **** is like, "I'm gonna drown it's so ****ing deep". But when an full grown man is standing in the shallow end, his nuts are raisined because the ****ing water only comes to just above his knee.

Sure techno music has depth, but "deep" techno music translates to pretty shallowed assed metal music, in terms of depth anyways.

well there ya go! i guess i was wrong. techno DOES have depth afterall.

I took Expressing Opinions 1101 last semester.

but you haven't shown any depth. you've pointed out how it has various styles and how some of it can bring you into a different world. just cause something has variety doesn't mean it's deep. and if you ONLY own techno cds then that already shows your exposure to other areas of music.

not all rock has depth, not all rap has depth. but you're gonna generally find a LOT more of it than with techno. the skill it took for your favorite "artists" to make your favorite songs requires a fraction of talent then, say, eminem or mos def flowin a freestyle rap, or jimi hendrix or stevie ray hittin a guitar solo.

and what comes out may make you bob your head and feel good. but you're not gonna experience musical soul anywhere near that of one hearing pink floyd, muddy waters, or aretha franklin. and difference of opinion has nothin to do with it considering that you're too close minded to listen to anything else.

Think of it like painting. Artists use color in various ways to create their paintings as musicians use sound in various ways to create their music. I view the DJ's that I like as Artists. Through ingenious use of sound they create a masterpiece for my ears. A masterpiece that will either relax my mind or get my blood pumping. I find more depth in it than you, because I care about it. I appreciate their choice of beats, timing, vocals etc. Basically these are the same elements used to create any form of music. It all depends on the Artist if it'll be good or not.

My point is that Techno has as much depth as any other form of music. What you fail to understand Purity is that you have stated only your biased opinions. Sure you have heard techno before and may even own a CD or two, but it just doesn't click with you the same way Slayer or whatever does. You lack the interest in it to see it's depth. It the same depth as any other form of music.

Think of it like painting. Artists use color in various ways to create their paintings as musicians use sound in various ways to create their music. I view the DJ's that I like as Artists. Through ingenious use of sound they create a masterpiece for my ears. A masterpiece that will either relax my mind or get my blood pumping. I find more depth in it than you, because I care about it. I appreciate their choice of beats, timing, vocals etc. Basically these are the same elements used to create any form of music. It all depends on the Artist if it'll be good or not.

My point is that Techno has as much depth as any other form of music. What you fail to understand Purity is that you have stated only your biased opinions. Sure you have heard techno before and may even own a CD or two, but it just doesn't click with you the same way Slayer or whatever does. You lack the interest in it to see it's depth. It the same depth as any other form of music.

choice of beats, timing, and vocals only give music depth if there is soul that comes out of it. there isn't any soul in techno comparable to other forms of music that contain significant amounts of soul. i know this because i listen to other forms of music as well. so just because i'm not as close-minded as you are in regards to other music doesn't mean that i don't care about techno. i just have a better supported idea of where techno's place is in regards to everything else.

and to call my opinions biased is no different from saying they're unfair- since that's the basic definition of the word. yet if my opinions are unfair then how is it that i'm the only one recognizing realistic traits of both sides of the arguement?? my "biased" opinions are that techno has energy, paul bostaph is explosive on the drums, aretha franklin has soul, etc. how can you deny any of these? you, on the other hand, just say that one's "crap" and the other's a piece of ingenious artwork because it makes you feel good so you already admitted your biased stance a long time ago.
even if you DON'T think that slayer's drumming is great or that the blues have soul (which is ****in stupid to think so from the start) then HOW can you possibly deny that while upholding that techno has both??? it's impossible.

just because you're entitled to an opinion doesn't make it right. just because you like music doesn't mean it's great. every band out there has fans. on the other hand, there's plenty of music out there that i hate but i'll still admit that it's got depth. take oasis, stone temple pilots, and phish for example. now slayer probably has less soul than techno......but it's got 1,000 times more talent. in the end, it has more depth. you lose.

Bumping some Robbie Rivera right now... OoOOoooh YeeEEEeaahh!

My life would be incomplete without you Purity. I feel you've severly misunderstood me, though.

"just because you're entitled to an opinion doesn't make it right." I totally agree with this. Matter of fact, that's what I've been trying to say to you. You feel techno lacks depth and talent. I just trying to tell you that that's your biased opinion as I have my biased opinion on other forms of music. I not saying techno is the best, I'm saying it's the best to me as Slayer is the best to you. How many times do I have to repeat myself? Music has many forms to please all people. Where I find depth, you see none and vise versa.

In layman's terms: Just because you don't like what I like doesn't make it bad. It just means we have different tastes. I know you hate these answers, but it's the truth.

i never said techno was bad and i never said that i didn't like what you like. i said it didn't have any significant depth and i said why it doesn't and even the techno fans in here agree to that. you keep thinking that music has depth because it makes a few people feel good. that's not depth. anyone who knows music, regarless of their taste, will agree that musical depth isn't just makin **** that generates fans because ALL music will have fans that feel good when they press play.

to make a techno song may take some talent, and it's a different FORM of talent than a metal song. but it's gonna take the average person a LOT longer to drum a slayer song than to make a techno song. see the swimming pool example.

Musical opinion is subjective, yes. Musical depth on the other hand is not subjective. Basically when someone says "depth" in music", they mean musical prowess and ability and such. The ability to create a wide range of sounds. Techno music has depth, yes, but not a lot. As far as soul, the music is named techno for a reason. It's technological. It's cold. Not warm. No soul.

Gorillaz?!?!?! The band of the Blur's singer???
Man!!! You need listen more styles!!!

I heard they are going to start touring again.

well they made that cool cartoon video. i heard that they never show themselves during live gigs.

To each their own. But I'm with Kitty. Go to a rave - fully off jaw, then come back and tell me it sucked :)

Long life to the GROOVE PARADE!!!!

To each their own. But I'm with Kitty. Go to a rave - fully off jaw, then come back and tell me it sucked :)

been doin it for over a decade. that's why i've given it the credit that i gave it earlier in the thread.

Let get this straight then.

You like techno, but think it lacks the depth of your other favorite genres.

I like techno and think it has wonderful depth and soul. I have listened to and even liked other genres in the past, but never got the same emotion as I did with techno.

Techno has depth or else it wouldn't click with me the way it does. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Quality techno is alot harder to make than you're giving it credit for. It's amazing, with all the DJs out there, how my favorite artists are always coming up with something new and exciting.

You say techno has energy. Not all techno is about energy. Some trance is really mellow and relaxing. ATB is a good example for me. Goto http://www.atb-music.com/ click on discography and search his CD Two Worlds. Sample track Enigmatic encounters. It's a mix he did with Enigma.

All I'm saying is that the depth is there if you bother to look for it or hear it...with any form of music.

Techno music has depth, yes, but not a lot. As far as soul, the music is named techno for a reason. It's technological. It's cold. Not warm. No soul.

The man has a valid point here...
















However he still deserves to get gonorhea and crabs.

Let get this straight then.

You like techno, but think it lacks the depth of your other favorite genres.

I like techno and think it has wonderful depth and soul. I have listened to and even liked other genres in the past, but never got the same emotion as I did with techno.

Techno has depth or else it wouldn't click with me the way it does. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. Quality techno is alot harder to make than you're giving it credit for. It's amazing, with all the DJs out there, how my favorite artists are always coming up with something new and exciting.

You say techno has energy. Not all techno is about energy. Some trance is really mellow and relaxing. ATB is a good example for me. Goto http://www.atb-music.com/ click on discography and search his CD Two Worlds. Sample track Enigmatic encounters. It's a mix he did with Enigma.

All I'm saying is that the depth is there if you bother to look for it or hear it...with any form of music.

you don't know what musical depth is. you've repeated your point over and over again and still think that musical depth is simply a series of sounds that makes someone happy.

i said more about techno then just having energy, as i said more about slayer than drumming. you cited the last post in all i did was briefly sum up a few of the points i made. try again. better yet, don't.

nonetheless, i'll go download some of that stuff cause i need a soundtrack to this lunar themed coaster that i'm buildin.

and LMAO @ llama's post!!!

The man has a valid point here...

Not really. Not all techno is cold. Some artists sound that way others have soul. Like ATB, Paul Oakenfold, and Paul Van Dyk. It varies by artist and what they're trying to do. Some want to make you dance. Others want your mind to drift away. You like the cold techno. You like the crazy beats of Benny Benassi, I do to, but I would prefer the smooth sounds of ATB anyday over Benny. ATB's style may not always be good for dancing, but it eases my mind. You guys keep speaking as if there is only one form of techno. There are many forms. The depth is there. I have found it.

you don't know what musical depth is. you've repeated your point over and over again and still think that musical depth is simply a series of sounds that makes someone happy.

i said more about techno then just having energy, as i said more about slayer than drumming. you cited the last post in all i did was briefly sum up a few of the points i made. try again. better yet, don't.

nonetheless, i'll go download some of that stuff cause i need a soundtrack to this lunar themed coaster that i'm buildin.

and LMAO @ llama's post!!!

What is the definition of musical depth in your all mighty opinion then? Share it with me.

What is the definition of musical depth in your all mighty opinion then? Share it with me.

a significant share of soul and/or talent behind the music. the only reason you claim to have found it is because you've never opened your mind to looking at anything else. hell, an ugly girl could start gettin attractive if yer stranded on an island with her.

a significant share of soul and/or talent behind the music.

That's it!!! Techno has talent in abundance for sure. What is you definition of Soul? Just so we're on the same page.

BTW I've listen to all types of music. I might not like slayer, but I like Evanesance or Metallica(my fav band). I liked Tupac. I like Eminem. I really love U2. I listen to more than you know.

Go read ATB's biography and tell me he doesn't have soul ans passion for what he does. LIsten to his unique sound and tell me he doesn't have talent. I thinks it's you that needs to open his mind.

Techno has talent in abundance for sure.

the creation of techno music does not require an abundance of talent. there is no arguement for that. my roomate has his own hiphop label and throws out a techno jam here and there just for the hell of it. he's showed me the process of making a hip hop beat vs. a techno beat and you'd be suprised how easy they are to create.

if you wanna cite the most innovative techno song then i'd be more than happy to cite a mediocre drum or guitar solo and it will still blow away the techno in a catagory of musical talent from said artist.

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This is techno.

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail45.html

This is techno.


Damn that's hilarious!!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!11

Look I love my techno. Trance ecspecially. It does something for me that no other music does. Argue all you want about it. I feel the soul and passion in the music and I know they have a great talent. Not all the DJ's are good. Some plain out suck. Just like in any form of music. There is a deep end of the pool when it comes to techno people. Trust me. I have the CDs to prove it.

Give ATB a listen. It's not your average techno.

i am gonna download that ATB though. btw, any fast paced **** you can recommend for my coaster?

Techno in general I don't know if its deep. It's arguable, it's subjective.
But I find that trance and hard trance - especially vocal trance, is.

What is the definition of musical depth in your all mighty opinion then? Share it with me.

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The Gorillaz are not goin on tour anytime soon, they are a cartoon band.....

The Gorillaz are not goin on tour anytime soon, they are a cartoon band.....

They setup giant screens and play a pre-recorded live show.

Not really. Not all techno is cold. Some artists sound that way others have soul. Like ATB, Paul Oakenfold, and Paul Van Dyk. It varies by artist and what they're trying to do. Some want to make you dance. Others want your mind to drift away. You like the cold techno. You like the crazy beats of Benny Benassi, I do to, but I would prefer the smooth sounds of ATB anyday over Benny. ATB's style may not always be good for dancing, but it eases my mind. You guys keep speaking as if there is only one form of techno. There are many forms. The depth is there. I have found it.


You have no idea about the concept of depth or warmth in music, and I think it's already been explained in this thread at least 3 or 4 times, so I won't waste my energy repeating what's alreadye been said.

a significant share of soul and/or talent behind the music. the only reason you claim to have found it is because you've never opened your mind to looking at anything else. hell, an ugly girl could start gettin attractive if yer stranded on an island with her.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

it's fun to listen to, has energy, and moves you. that's it. no different than a brittany spears fan.

When I said it moves you, I didn't mean as in dancing. I clearly said "and I don't mean dancing".

I mean you know its good ****in' techno when the **** gives you chills down your spine and makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It may not do that for you, but it does it for me. Just because there's no heartfelt lyrics doesn't mean the artist that made the song made it for no reason...

I've talked to many people that listen to techno and the ones that appreciate it agree... if it's good, it ****in gives you shivers... puts you in a good mood... ****, I can pop in a happy hardcore cd in be in a good mood instantly.. If a tune can do that, I say it has depth.

All that **** rock can do for you is make the vein in your forehead pop out.

a significant share of soul and/or talent behind the music.

How the **** does techno have no talent? I've never made music myself (except for when i used to play the guitar when i was like 12) but I do know that making any sort of decent music requires a good knowledge of it, a good ear... and TALENT.

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and DL the session...

and check around the 22-23 minutes...

i am gonna download that ATB though. btw, any fast paced **** you can recommend for my coaster?

GABBER!!! lol.

Bye! my 5 days weekend starts NOW!!! Good weekend!

When I said it moves you, I didn't mean as in dancing. I clearly said "and I don't mean dancing".

I mean you know its good ****in' techno when the **** gives you chills down your spine and makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It may not do that for you, but it does it for me. Just because there's no heartfelt lyrics doesn't mean the artist that made the song made it for no reason...

I've talked to many people that listen to techno and the ones that appreciate it agree... if it's good, it ****in gives you shivers... puts you in a good mood... ****, I can pop in a happy hardcore cd in be in a good mood instantly.. If a tune can do that, I say it has depth.

All that **** rock can do for you is make the vein in your forehead pop out.

Finally, I get some support. I thought I was alone in this battle. Thanx Kitty. You know the truth.

Techno in general I don't know if its deep. It's arguable, it's subjective.
But I find that trance and hard trance - especially vocal trance, is.

I have to agree with you Deacon. Trance is where you can find alot of depth.

When I said it moves you, I didn't mean as in dancing. I clearly said "and I don't mean dancing".

I mean you know its good ****in' techno when the **** gives you chills down your spine and makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up. It may not do that for you, but it does it for me. Just because there's no heartfelt lyrics doesn't mean the artist that made the song made it for no reason...

I've talked to many people that listen to techno and the ones that appreciate it agree... if it's good, it ****in gives you shivers... puts you in a good mood... ****, I can pop in a happy hardcore cd in be in a good mood instantly.. If a tune can do that, I say it has depth.

All that **** rock can do for you is make the vein in your forehead pop out.

every single thing you've said here i've already addressed. i'm not gonna go back and copy/paste so i'll leave it to you to read.

How the **** does techno have no talent? I've never made music myself (except for when i used to play the guitar when i was like 12) but I do know that making any sort of decent music requires a good knowledge of it, a good ear... and TALENT.

once again, this has already been addressed. but nonetheless, having a good ear for music and the ability to make production doesn't mean that you're an ingenious musician. otherwise producers wouldn't be called producers, they'd be called musicians. that, and me and squezze would be ****in mad groupies everyday just because we listen to good music.

Not all techno is the same Purity. Some trance DJ's ecspecially compose some really beautiful music, with depth and soul. You just probably haven't heard them yet. Even if you did hear them, you probably wouldn't feel it the same way I do.

all techno is basically created the same. it's a process of dubbing, sampling and mixing over and over again until the song sounds good. some jams are played 1,000s of times in the studio before they're even done. and those ones are the songs that you're claiming have depth.

i never said these exceptions like moby don't have any soul or talent. but i've been saying all along that it's nowhere near the capacity of talent and soul that's played in other forms of music. you give me techno's best. give me your best techno artist and i'll tell you right now that they're musical abilities are nowhere even close to that of rock n' roll's best, blues' best, hip hop's best, jazz's, classical, etc.

talent and soul are best raw. techno doesn't allow this. a natural artist can sing a chord, or pick up a guitar and wail it, bang on drums, blow a trumpet, or rally a piano in a heartbeat. they don't sit in studios for months re-recording, revamping, remixing and consistently tweeking **** with 100's of thousands of $$$ worth of computerized equipment just to show their natural abilities.

you guys keep thinking that just because it sounds good in your ears that it defines musical depth.

every single thing you've said here i've already addressed. i'm not gonna go back and copy/paste so i'll leave it to you to read.

and basically, it sounds like you're trying to put a ****in' number on how "deep" something is. when you make a machine that can listen to music and tell mathematically how deep something is, then i'll believe you. until then, stfu.

once again, already addressed depth. sometimes things don't have to be explained mathmatically but i'm pretty sure my description was much more thorough & convincing than **** that tingles your spine. with that in mind, i guess orgasms are little mozarts to you too.

so until you actually go and read what's already been addressed, then you can actually take a stance on believing something, and you won't look so stupid babbling out stfu's.

once again, how about you try making a really good techno song. when you do, then you have the right to say whether djs are talented or not. until then, you sound like the retard at a football game that keeps whining about how bad a player is performing, when they know nothing about football in the first place.

Speaking of Moby, his speed metal CD that he put out in the mid 90s is quite good.

once again, how about you try making a really good techno song. when you do, then you have the right to say whether djs are talented or not. until then, you sound like the retard at a football game that keeps whining about how bad a player is performing, when they know nothing about football in the first place.

and once again i've already addressed this as i've been around people that have made techno in a studio. and, under your "only artists can speak out on this subject" arguement then you don't have any right to DEFEND your music as i have any right to OFFEND it. not to mention the fact that you've already admitted that you can't play any instruments, yet have no problem concluding that speed metal only ****s with veins on your forehead.

give up on this one if you don't plan on bringing anything new to the table.

why are you trying to persuade someone that really likes something that what they like is ****ty because, in your mind, there's no talent behind it? do you think that anyone here that disagrees with you is going to suddenly be like... "well.. you know what... there IS no talent behind it. it DOES suck."

you know.. maybe it DOESN'T require as much talent to compose a techno song than it does to play a guitar, but if they can do it, and you can't, then they obviously have SOME sort of talent.

Does mustard go bad?

why are you trying to persuade someone that really likes something that what they like is ****ty because, in your mind, there's no talent behind it? do you think that anyone here that disagrees with you is going to suddenly be like... "well.. you know what... there IS no talent behind it. it DOES suck."

you know.. maybe it DOESN'T require as much talent to compose a techno song than it does to play a guitar, but if they can do it, and you can't, then they obviously have SOME sort of talent.

once again:
-i never said it sucked
-i never said there's NO talent behind it
-i said that it's not on the same talent & soul level as other forms of music and just because the music makes you feel good doesn't mean my statement is incorrect because i never cited the level of soul & talent behind blues, rock n' roll, jazz, hip hop, etc. being based upon what it does to ME personally.

and if i even bothered comparing Tony's musical talents vs. techno composers & djs then i would have stated THAT somewhere in this thread too. but since i didn't then yer just swaying the subject at hand out of frustration and STILL refuse to read any of the **** in here that's already been addressed----> especially the last sentence in my last post.

so in the end, you're wrong.

Does mustard go bad?

it takes a long time. the stuff on the outer rim of the tube can get all crusty but it brushes right off. mustard goes great with TONS of ****. you shouldn't be letting it sit around long enough to ask that question.

There's a bottle of mustard in my fridge that is about a year old... and stil tastes great.

Mustard is the best condemant.........

condiment?

Mustard is the best condemant.........

*coughtabascocough*

I dont like Tabasco, Tapatio and Louisianna Hot Sauce are good though.....

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tabacso rules!!!

see 3 posts down for continuation of argument.

Nuno has said the same thing everytime he has posted in this thread, not once giving a reason how it has soul other than it moves him.....

Nuno has said the same thing everytime he has posted in this thread, not once giving a reason how it has soul other than it moves him.....

Soul to me is the good feeling a piece of music gives to the listener. And I'm talking about that really good feeling that makes your emotions run wild. What's your definition?

-i said that it's not on the same talent & soul level as other forms of music and just because the music makes you feel good doesn't mean my statement is incorrect because i never cited the level of soul & talent behind blues, rock n' roll, jazz, hip hop, etc. being based upon what it does to ME personally.

Our argument is stictly opinion based. There is no right or wrong. We're both wasting our time. But it is fun.

soul to me is not only the feeling that the music gives to ME but the ease of which the artist can convey a deeply felt emotion. i find that one of the most defined ways to bring out the ease in conveyance is through the simplicity of the generation of sounds.

this is why i feel that the blues has the most soul to it. there's not a whole lot of chords gettin hit with the blues, yet very few musicians can play it. the vast majority of professional and credible musicians will cite the blues as the most respected form of music.

soul to me is not only the feeling that the music gives to ME but the ease of which the artist can convey a deeply felt emotion. i find that one of the most defined ways to bring out the ease in conveyance is through the simplicity of the generation of sounds.

this is why i feel that the blues has the most soul to it. there's not a whole lot of chords gettin hit with the blues, yet very few musicians can play it. the vast majority of professional and credible musicians will cite the blues as the most respected form of music.


Now there is a definition. It's perfect. Blues is also a great example. But you have to agree that even in trance, "deeply felt emotions" are conveyed to the listener. I wouldn't be arguing so strongly if I didn't feel this way. Not all artists can do this. ATB does it for me "through the simplicity of the generation of sounds." His choice of sounds (guitar, piano, waves...) and beats convey to me his emotion of calmness. His music puts my mind in a state of peace. Some of his tracks are more upbeat, but they still convey to me that emotion and passion he puts into it. He conveys his emotions through his music, and that's why I like his work the best.

The level of depth you refer can be found in any form of music. You just have to find it. Or maybe it finds you.....

How do I get white out off of my monitor?

soul to me is not only the feeling that the music gives to ME but the ease of which the artist can convey a deeply felt emotion.

happiness and sadness... two strong emotions I have felt from listening to some good techno.

How do I get white out off of my monitor?

Were you just looking at ****?

Alright children, I started this thread 'cause I know Dogg was about to flip off for talking about this on the banner thread. I can even picturing him banging his little feet againt his chair, cursing people out. So Skee-lo, be happy mang.

You wrote a whole paragraph about something that was completely wrong and never happened. Good goin, ****job.

This really matters 12 pages later, dumptruck. Your opinion means the world to me.

This really matters 12 pages later, dumptruck. Your opinion means the world to me.
well i just pointing it out....no need to get an attitude and act like a female. btw, i didnt state an opinion, i stated fact. if you can show me how it was an opinion, then you win. until then, you're the dumptruck, not I. take notes, son. i'll teach ya a thing or 2.

*waits for another one of Bubble's stupendous, epic comebacks*

Now there is a definition. It's perfect. Blues is also a great example. But you have to agree that even in trance, "deeply felt emotions" are conveyed to the listener. I wouldn't be arguing so strongly if I didn't feel this way. Not all artists can do this. ATB does it for me "through the simplicity of the generation of sounds." His choice of sounds (guitar, piano, waves...) and beats convey to me his emotion of calmness. His music puts my mind in a state of peace. Some of his tracks are more upbeat, but they still convey to me that emotion and passion he puts into it. He conveys his emotions through his music, and that's why I like his work the best.

The level of depth you refer can be found in any form of music. You just have to find it. Or maybe it finds you.....

even though i haven't heard any ATB yet, i'll take your word for it. nonetheless, it still doesn't change what i've been saying all along. if ATB represents the best in techno, then how could you possibly compare his sincerity of pure, raw talent and soul to an artist such as aretha franklin, stevie ray vaghn, muddy waters, louie armstrong, bb king, eric clapton, robert plant, lauren hill, or maynard from tool??
these people don't have to sit in studio playing with $100,000 computers and rearranging other people's sounds for months on end to move their audience. give jimi hendrix a guitar with one single minute of time and he'll captivate 1000X the amount of people that ATB will in a studio, with dozens and dozens of equipment and plenty of time to revamp.

i enjoy every single form of music out there. i don't need to have a preferred style of music to back up. i guarantee you that ONLY techno fans will have the balls to say that techno is comparable to the blues or rock n' roll. anybody who truely knows music will agree that techno is nowhere near that level.

happiness and sadness... two strong emotions I have felt from listening to some good techno.

i was referring to the emotion of the artist. not yours. did you even read the first part of the sentence that you quoted?

i was referring to the emotion of the artist. not yours. did you even read the first part of the sentence that you quoted?

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even though i haven't heard any ATB yet, i'll take your word for it. nonetheless, it still doesn't change what i've been saying all along. if ATB represents the best in techno, then how could you possibly compare his sincerity of pure, raw talent and soul to an artist such as aretha franklin, stevie ray vaghn, muddy waters, louie armstrong, bb king, eric clapton, robert plant, lauren hill, or maynard from tool??
these people don't have to sit in studio playing with $100,000 computers and rearranging other people's sounds for months on end to move their audience. give jimi hendrix a guitar with one single minute of time and he'll captivate 1000X the amount of people that ATB will in a studio, with dozens and dozens of equipment and plenty of time to revamp.

i enjoy every single form of music out there. i don't need to have a preferred style of music to back up. i guarantee you that ONLY techno fans will have the balls to say that techno is comparable to the blues or rock n' roll. anybody who truely knows music will agree that techno is nowhere near that level.


ATB is definately not the only one. Trust me on that. He's just my example. How can I compare him to the other artists you mentioned? I simply prefer his sound and emotion to the others. There really is nothing more than that. The artists you mentioned are great, but they don't do for me personally what ATB does.

If I personally had a choice to sit down with either Hendricks or ATB, I would choose ATB. No, I'm not crazy. It's just that I would be more interested in ATB's work than Jimmy's.

Lastly, I enjoy various forms of music as well. I do know music my friend. All music has it's highs and lows. Your refusal to accept that techno can reach the levels of these other forms of music perturbs me...cause I know you are wrong. It may not reach that level for you, but for me it does.

One person's deep is another person's shallow.

There is no right or wrong here, everyone just accept the others' perspective while maintaining your own beliefs.

How about it?

Now STFU.

One person's deep is another person's shallow.

There is no right or wrong here, everyone just accept the others' perspective while maintaining your own beliefs.

How about it?

Now STFU.

I've been trying to say that nicely.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/deityofdecadence/scrunch.jpg

i've gotta wait till i get home cause i can't view pics @ werk

It's a pissed off racoon.

I've been trying to say that nicely.

You're welcome.

ATB is definately not the only one. Trust me on that. He's just my example. How can I compare him to the other artists you mentioned? I simply prefer his sound and emotion to the others. There really is nothing more than that. The artists you mentioned are great, but they don't do for me personally what ATB does.

If I personally had a choice to sit down with either Hendricks or ATB, I would choose ATB. No, I'm not crazy. It's just that I would be more interested in ATB's work than Jimmy's.

Lastly, I enjoy various forms of music as well. I do know music my friend. All music has it's highs and lows. Your refusal to accept that techno can reach the levels of these other forms of music perturbs me...cause I know you are wrong. It may not reach that level for you, but for me it does.

your acceptance of thinking that music is deep just cause it reaches you personally is what makes you wrong. i already dismissed that arguement awhile back yet you can't let go of it. every single one of your posts keep reverting back to it. i never said that any of the examples i mentioned do it for me personally either. i showed that in the STP examples earlier. what it does for you personally is not the point. you don't know music. you know how to listen. congratulations- you have ears.

even the "well it's just our opinions" arguement doesn't work because it's going back to what music makes the individual happy. already addressed it in the spears example. i'm pretty sure brittany spears makes music that sends millions of pre-adolecent girls into the zone too. does that mean that "hit me baby one more time" can be considered on the same musical depth as "stairway to heaven"?

and don't be so stupid to assume that ATB is only one i was assuming does good techno. obviously it was an EXAMPLE. so were the ones i listed. you dodged the point again.

It's a pissed off racoon.

oh. well i'm gonna hump her leg so it's all good.

your acceptance of thinking that music is deep just cause it reaches you personally is what makes you wrong. i already dismissed that arguement awhile back yet you can't let go of it. every single one of your posts keep reverting back to it. i never said that any of the examples i mentioned do it for me personally either. i showed that in the STP examples earlier. what it does for you personally is not the point. you don't know music. you know how to listen. congratulations- you have ears.

even the "well it's just our opinions" arguement doesn't work because it's going back to what music makes the individual happy. already addressed it in the spears example. i'm pretty sure brittany spears makes music that sends millions of pre-adolecent girls into the zone too. does that mean that "hit me baby one more time" can be considered on the same musical depth as "stairway to heaven"?

and don't be so stupid to assume that ATB is only one i was assuming does good techno. obviously it was an EXAMPLE. so were the ones i listed. you dodged the point again.

Actually dude, she did let it go. Everyone else did. Nuno included. You're the one still persisting. Recognise :P

Actually dude, she did let it go. Everyone else did. Nuno included. You're the one still persisting. Recognise :P

i didn't say anything about anyone letting anything go. how am i supposed to recognize something that has zero to do with what was said from the start?

your acceptance of thinking that music is deep just cause it reaches you personally is what makes you wrong. i already dismissed that arguement awhile back yet you can't let go of it. every single one of your posts keep reverting back to it. i never said that any of the examples i mentioned do it for me personally either. i showed that in the STP examples earlier. what it does for you personally is not the point. you don't know music. you know how to listen. congratulations- you have ears.

even the "well it's just our opinions" arguement doesn't work because it's going back to what music makes the individual happy. already addressed it in the spears example. i'm pretty sure brittany spears makes music that sends millions of pre-adolecent girls into the zone too. does that mean that "hit me baby one more time" can be considered on the same musical depth as "stairway to heaven"?

and don't be so stupid to assume that ATB is only one i was assuming does good techno. obviously it was an EXAMPLE. so were the ones i listed. you dodged the point again.


As much as I'd hate to admit it. Some people would actually prefer Miss Spears. You simply can grasp the fact that each individual human has a different perspective on what is good.

As much as I'd hate to admit it. Some people would actually prefer Miss Spears. You simply can grasp the fact that each individual human has a different perspective on what is good.


oh.. you must have forgotten that tony is always right, no matter what.

As much as I'd hate to admit it. Some people would actually prefer Miss Spears. You simply can grasp the fact that each individual human has a different perspective on what is good.

you can't grasp the concept that i'm not talking about what people like to listen to. i'm talking about music that is deep, has soul, and talent. your music has little, hers has none, and you refuse to accept that. you keep thinking that music is deep just cause people like listening to it. if that was the case, every single piece of music is as deep as humanly possible. you'll never understand this.

oh.. you must have forgotten that tony is always right, no matter what.

It makes the arguments fun. This is making my day fly by. Than you Tony. I love you!!! :luvbed:

PS: Tony's wearing the bow on his head.

oh.. you must have forgotten that tony is always right, no matter what.

just because people are too stupid to prove me wrong doesn't mean i'm right. it just means that you guys suck. but don't take it personally. just try ta use that lil bubble in between yer shoulders every once and awhile :)

It makes the arguments fun. This is making my day fly by. Than you Tony. I love you!!! :luvbed:


abso****inglutely. it's funny how people think that we're like tryin to kill eachother over this. i love arguin man!!


























btw, only hippies wear bows :op:

you can't grasp the concept that i'm not talking about what people like to listen to. i'm talking about music that is deep, has soul, and talent. your music has little, hers has none, and you refuse to accept that. you keep thinking that music is deep just cause people like listening to it. if that was the case, every single piece of music is as deep as humanly possible. you'll never understand this.

Tony, I do understand you. And I do grasp your concept. But I don't agree with it. You don't realize that what you're saying is your opinion and not fact for everyone.

Your passion for the music that you've listed is not shared by everyone.

just because people are too stupid to prove me wrong doesn't mean i'm right. it just means that you guys suck. but don't take it personally. just try ta use that lil bubble in between yer shoulders every once and awhile :)

we have proved you wrong, you just refuse to accept it, because you're too hard-headed. you will always be right in your head, tony.

abso****inglutely. it's funny how people think that we're like tryin to kill eachother over this. i love arguin man!!


btw, only hippies wear bows :op:


I'll argue about anything. MAD FUN!!!!! We need to argue over a few beers. Shame you live Crapifornia.






















So you're a hippy now???

I'll argue about anything. MAD FUN!!!!! We need to argue over a few beers. Shame you live Crapifornia.


totally need mad beers. we gotta do another global meetup and you & llama gotta roll it.
















you've always been our #1 hippy

Tony, I do understand you. And I do grasp your concept. But I don't agree with it. You don't realize that what you're saying is your opinion and not fact for everyone.

Your passion for the music that you've listed is not shared by everyone.

and i'm not asking anyone to share the examples that have been listed here. neither did i claim it to be 100% factual. but i will say that it's got a LOT more ridin for it then yers.

totally need mad beers. we gotta do another global meetup and you & llama gotta roll it.
















you've always been our #1 hippy


Werd!!!

and i'm not asking anyone to share the examples that have been listed here. neither did i claim it to be 100% factual. but i will say that it's got a LOT more ridin for it then yers.


Well the other styles have been around longer. Techno is still a kinda new. You may have a different opinion in the future. Opinions change with the times.

we have proved you wrong, you just refuse to accept it, because you're too hard-headed. you will always be right in your head, tony.

the only thing that you've proved is that you don't pay attention to what's being discussed. if you've proved anything then you would've said what was proven. i sure hope you don't really think that there's PROOF out there that techno has more musical depth than blues or rock n' roll. that's just stupid beyond stupidity.

Well the other styles have been around longer. Techno is still a kinda new. You may have a different opinion in the future. Opinions change with the times.
how long they've been around holds nothing. blues, for example, has been the blues ever since the 19th century.

we have proved you wrong, you just refuse to accept it, because you're too hard-headed. you will always be right in your head, tony.


In a twisted way, I don't want Tony to admit defeat. I'd be bored if he did.

i sure hope you don't really think that there's PROOF out there that techno has more musical depth than blues or rock n' roll. that's just stupid beyond stupidity.


I never said it has more depth. I did say that the level of depth found in any music is determined by one's personal tastes.

In a twisted way, I don't want Tony to admit defeat. I'd be bored if he did.

just because you guys have the same opinion makes you think that you've "won" a discussion that you've already admitted shouldn't have any winners or losers???? can we POSSIBLY make any more sense??

i find it funny that everytime you guys can't back up your position, it always revert to the ol' "well he's just stubborn and won't agree to disagree because he won't recognize MY side". what a crock of ****. everything that's been said to me has been addressed, i've never strayed from the subject, and have yet to find any evidence that anyone in here has brought to light that techno music has comparable musical depth.

you guys have brought nothing to the table. you even needed me to define define soul, talent, and depth for you because your washed out definitions had no backing. i've defined everything that i've said, backed it up, and have yet to be convinced otherwise because you're all too incompetent to back up your side of the story. so don't get mad at this self pride you think i'm conjering up.

just because you guys have the same opinion makes you think that you've "won" a discussion that you've already admitted shouldn't have any winners or losers???? can we POSSIBLY make any more sense??

i find it funny that everytime you guys can't back up your position, it always revert to the ol' "well he's just stubborn and won't agree to disagree because he won't recognize MY side". what a crock of ****. everything that's been said to me has been addressed, i've never strayed from the subject, and have yet to find any evidence that anyone in here has brought to light that techno music has comparable musical depth.

you guys have brought nothing to the table. you even needed me to define define soul, talent, and depth for you because your washed out definitions had no backing. i've defined everything that i've said, backed it up, and have yet to be convinced otherwise because you're all too incompetent to back up your side of the story. so don't get mad at this self pride you think i'm conjering up.


Last post before I go home. I never said I won. You know what I've been saying. I've said it countless times. And I gave you examples on depth for me with ATB. What else do you want???

I never said it has more depth. I did say that the level of depth found in any music is determined by one's personal tastes.

so then you'll have to admit that ALL music has equal depth. under that theory, then the word "depth" itself is rendered completely useless since it's meaning is derived from a form of level. so then, in that case, we all hold hands & smile because brittany spears' and led zepplin's music have equal intellectual complexity, meaning, passion, soul, talent, and intensity simply because they have fans that enjoy their music.


you do realize that there is not a single professional musician on the planet that will share your point of view. but, hey, it's YOUR OPINION.

Last post before I go home. I never said I won. You know what I've been saying. I've said it countless times. And I gave you examples on depth for me with ATB. What else do you want???

you told me what the guy does for you personally. and i told you how that doesn't work for definition of musical depth under examples that i already gave you.

so then you'll have to admit that ALL music has equal depth. under that theory, then the word "depth" itself is rendered completely useless since it's meaning is derived from a form of level. so then, in that case, we all hold hands & smile because brittany spears' and led zepplin's music have equal intellectual complexity, meaning, passion, soul, talent, and intensity simply because they have fans that enjoy their music.


you do realize that there is not a single professional musician on the planet that will share your point of view. but, hey, it's YOUR OPINION.

No. You got my opinion all wrong. *sigh* Let's try again.

Not all music has equal depth in my eyes, but I can't speak for other people.

My one main argument is that I find equivelant depth in trance, where you say there is supposedly not enough. It's a difference of opinion based on our tastes. that I will accept. I will not accept you sayiny trance has weak depth and not realizing that that is only your opinion.

I gotta go. I'll check back later.

Last post before I go home.

HA!
LIAR!!

the hippy LIES!!

sorry, i was just waitin to do that. ok lemme go read whatcha've said..

No. You got my opinion all wrong. *sigh* Let's try again.

Not all music has equal depth in my eyes, but I can't speak for other people.



yes but other people can speak for other people. that's why i said
simply because they have fanS
notice the "S".
i wasn't incinuating that YOU are the one dictating it all. i was saying that, under your theory, as long as someone/ANYONE likes a particular song then all of a sudden, that song's got depth.
which, of course, is just silly.

it's no different then concluding that just because 1 out of 1,000,000 men think that fat women are attractive, that fat women HAVE to now be attractive because that one dude has his opinion that he's entitled too. and the VAST, VAST majority of people who associate in music will agree that techno doesn't carry depth qualities as other forms of music.

Anybody who knows anything about music will agree with Tony. You guys just keep coming back with the whole "Everybody has their own opinion" stuff, and you guys are wrong wrong wrong, I'm sad to say. If you actually know what "musical depth" is, then you know that it's a FACT that techno dosen't have much depth as compared to other genres. It's ****ing fact in most anybody's mind who plays music or who has a decent grasp of it.

Next semester I'm gonna try to make a techno song for y'all at school, and I'll call myself DJ ****Sparks.

DJ ****Sparks RULES!!!

Make it a Goa trance song, Mr. DJ.

Make it a Goa trance song, Mr. DJ.


A: I don't give two ****s about genres or subgenres. I hate all the classification that's involved in music.

B: I probably could make a goa trance song, whatever the **** that means. The equipment is there for me to use.

C: Techno sucks and I will feel less of a man by making it.