This is my first time so be gentle!
It's not that i am a Klitschko fan however there is no one out there can even come close to beating him.
Lennox tried and ran into retirement!I know every great fighter has their day but Vitali's is'nt going to be here for a while so for now you might as well admit it vitali is the man

why would Lennox have to avenge a win?

Vitali Klitschko OWNS! Nuff said!

For the moment, VK could be the man in the heavyweight division. He probably won't last long though.

For the moment, VK could be the man in the heavyweight division. He probably won't last long though.

We heard you the first time.....

i never liked LL(but of course i saw the talent)...and thought that fight was going good.. its sucks (the cut that- stopped a great fight)...i mean a lot of people wanted to see LL fight him cuz..well basically the cut won the fight not LL...LL was rocked quite a few times...

LL-was ko'ed by to midicore fighters..VK was never ko'ed like that..or by one punch

VK-true he stopped the byrd fight but again he was winning and he stopped cuz he knew what was good for him "live to fight another day"..if he would have kept going he may have permanent screwed up his arm...somtimes u dont have to win..to get peoples respect or have a "W" on the fight for people to know who was reallly showing heart and won

i mean golata and frietas..now thats quiting..thats beng a bi*ch

i dont see anyone beating VK..not even toney..even shot tyson would have killed booker in one round...

...You guys saw the tyson in round one of williams(before he hurt his leg..and dont call that a excuse..they had to operate him..and when they did they found a ball the size of a fist of blood in there..he fough like that for 3 more rounds..and people say HE dont got heart..but call what frietas and golata did "smart")..please...well that tyson would have a great chance to ko vitali.or even LL(when they fought tyson was way shot even more then today)...

but of course only for like 4 rounds..this guys stamina is gone

When there is a ? a good fighter should always answer lennox didnt that might just mean he is smart in not giving a rematch and like he said "boxing is like playing chess" you dont move if you know you will get ass raped

Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa Vitali really beat up Lewis Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa It was just a cut Waaaaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa


He won fair and square DEAL WITH IT

Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa Vitali really beat up Lewis Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa It was just a cut Waaaaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa


He won fair and square DEAL WITH IT

VK could have won. He didn't but he could have.

VK could have won. He didn't but he could have.

*rolleyes*

Hey if this was horse shoes then that might mean something

no wants is crying i am setting it straight..and if u can say that LL won that fight and not the cut.plz...come on that was a close fight..a great fight...LL was gonna make great money out of a rematch..and like u say he won then why wouldnt he be confidence he can do it again and for a great pay day????

instead of.."no i am gonna stay retired i wanna be known as one of the men that left when he was on top"

newsflash..u fought threw the most crap era in HW history...a old evandre...got ko'ed TWICE by "not so good fighter"...ko'ed a shot tyson and when u find a man that can match up u dont give hima rematch

truth is LL was good bu would have never made it in the 70's or 80's HW divison..there was so much alent..even shavers would have ko'ed him

I think Vitali can beat any HW out there besides James Toney.

*rolleyes*

Hey if this was horse shoes then that might mean something

wtf. you can loose a fight even if you were capable of winning. that's what rematches are for. chance for redemption. it's been known to happen.

sugar-oscar2
as much as i hate to say it dlh vs tito
the gatti-ward sage

these are examples

u dont have to win the fight to get the respect of them...u can lose and people still know who won...

the gatti-ward sage is a example of heart and guts showing..to fans that sage no one won..only the fans did..and thats what i great..and thats what LL denied us of

like JMM/manny...great fight..rematch..its not that hard...if LL would have gotten ko'ed it would have only added to his legacy cuz it would be known he didnt back down

example 3-sturm vs oscar..who won that fight ..oscar..but whoever watched that fight the next day they guy they where talking about was sturms preformance

no wants is crying i am setting it straight..and if u can say that LL won that fight and not the cut.plz...come on that was a close fight..a great fight...LL was gonna make great money out of a rematch..and like u say he won then why wouldnt he be confidence he can do it again and for a great pay day????

instead of.."no i am gonna stay retired i wanna be known as one of the men that left when he was on top"

newsflash..u fought threw the most crap era in HW history...a old evandre...got ko'ed TWICE by "not so good fighter"...ko'ed a shot tyson and when u find a man that can match up u dont give hima rematch

truth is LL was good bu would have never made it in the 70's or 80's HW divison..there was so much alent..even shavers would have ko'ed him

no the truth is that you obviously dont like Lewis and are letting your hate for him cloud your judgment.

your saying the cut won the fight not Lewis? that doesn't even make any sense. Do you want to tell me how all 7 cuts got on Vitali's face?...Oh thats right by PUNCHES that Lewis landed on him thats how. I mean those are the rules aren't they?

Maybe he wants to retire because he's 39 years old, Maybe he wanted to retire because he had been a pro for 15 years, Maybe he wants to retire because he saw his heart wasn't in it anymore, Maybe he wants to retire because he wanted to start his family, Maybe he wanted to retire because he didn't want to become a sad boxing cliche and hang around too long, Maybe he wanted to retire because he actually wanted to go out on top with and with dignity, Maybe he wanted to retire because he still has all his brain cells.

You know...just some reasons. Only a fool would actually try and critasize someone for wanting to go out on top.

Newsflash the 90 were actually a damn good heavyweight era, Hell Max Kellerman calls them the 2nd best era ever. You actually have the balls to say the 80's were better. The 80's had Holmes early and Tyson late other than that there is not one name worth mentioning.

Lewis
Holyfield
Tyson
Bowe
Mercer
Morision
Moorer

How on earth can you call Evander Holyfield old when he fought lewis? Holyfield held 2/3 of the heavyweight title going into that fight and was fighting aswell as he had ever fought.

Yes he lost twice due to getting ****y, but would you like to tell me what happend after he lost to both men?...Oh thats rigfht he came back to kick there asses in rematches. Correcting the mistakes he made in the first fights.

Lewis resume includes
88 Olympic Gold Medal
3 Time World Champion(Only Ali and Holyfield have done that)
16 title defense(3rd all time behind Louis and Holmes)

Vitali can only pray to have a career half as decorated.

wtf. you can loose a fight even if you were capable of winning. that's what rematches are for. chance for redemption. it's been known to happen.


when someone wins fair and square there is no need for redemption. Vitali couldn't get the job done and thats his fault.

when someone wins fair and square there is no need for redemption. Vitali couldn't get the job done and thats his fault.

redemption for VK for losing. Not for LL. I agree he doesn't need to be "redeemed". But I think the fight was close enough not to count out the idea of a rematch. Too bad Lewis retired.

he didnt fight those guys in the 90's though come on..evander was his best win and thats cuz evander was rusty by the time he fought LL..

-i respect LL

-U even said it..he may not be in it cuz he doesnt have the heart anymore..ok but then why is he feedng us crap that he won fair and won every round..that what he saids to this day u knwo that right.i wouldnt complain but i just saw him in a interview about a week ago..and said he was is one of the top 3 HW of all times..(anyone else see this on the sunshine chanel) anyway..the guys he beat (and two losses) get him in top 10 to some but on my list he's around 12th there was way better then him

-duh i f**king know its "HIM" who landed the punches..its a saying man come on..wha i ment is (cuz i guss i have to explain it to u cuz u cant figure it out) Vk was doing well-winning on most people cards..but yeah some punches from lewis opened a cut..but VK was landing more..connect more flush and power punches..get it..he was the one winning..lewis didnt prove anything except u can cut a white guy- ohhhhh big surprise..that not racial we all know white skin is easier to cut and bruise..but Vk was winning so why no rematch

-now i am not trying to say he didnt lose..he lost true but won in people and fans more..so thats all i am saying...this thing started from LL not wanting to give hima rematch ok thats cool whatever..but dont for one second say thats LL was winning and showed he was the best guy

-out of all the guys in the 90's...the only one that would have made it in 70's might have been holyfield...lewis is like VK they use there height to there advantage and reach...holy had skills and height

exactly

Why should Lewis give a damn about Vitali?

you have to admit..LL retiring right after his hardest fight..looks bad on his legacy get me..and then it make VK look bad also,..thats why people wanted the rematch..cuz now its like

VK-never won the belt from LL (althought beat corrie for it which was big..corrie would have given LL hella trouble with the hieght and power)..and thats why hell people dont respect VK

and then LL..people are pissed and think he a ***** for not giving vk a rematch get me

its like to careers got screwed over no rematch..and its no VK's falut there wasnt one

its a waste to talk about this anyway cuz no matter what it wont happened..

he didnt fight those guys in the 90's though come on..evander was his best win and thats cuz evander was rusty by the time he fought LL..

-i respect LL

-U even said it..he may not be in it cuz he doesnt have the heart anymore..ok but then why is he feedng us crap that he won fair and won every round..that what he saids to this day u knwo that right.i wouldnt complain but i just saw him in a interview about a week ago..and said he was is one of the top 3 HW of all times..(anyone else see this on the sunshine chanel) anyway..the guys he beat (and two losses) get him in top 10 to some but on my list he's around 12th there was way better then him

-duh i f**king know its "HIM" who landed the punches..its a saying man come on..wha i ment is (cuz i guss i have to explain it to u cuz u cant figure it out) Vk was doing well-winning on most people cards..but yeah some punches from lewis opened a cut..but VK was landing more..connect more flush and power punches..get it..he was the one winning..lewis didnt prove anything except u can cut a white guy- ohhhhh big surprise..that not racial we all know white skin is easier to cut and bruise..but Vk was winning so why no rematch

-now i am not trying to say he didnt lose..he lost true but won in people and fans more..so thats all i am saying...this thing started from LL not wanting to give hima rematch ok thats cool whatever..but dont for one second say thats LL was winning and showed he was the best guy

-out of all the guys in the 90's...the only one that would have made it in 70's might have been holyfield...lewis is like VK they use there height to there advantage and reach...holy had skills and height

is this guy kidding?

yeah last time I checked he did fight those guys and some of them shamelessy ran from him. He fought Holyfield, Tyson, Mercer and Morison woulda fought Bowe but Bowe and his people ran like school girls from him.

um...He did win fair. i mean when you hit a guy with your fist and you open up a cut that is so bad the doctor say he cannot continue then you win.

Yes his heart is not in boxing anymore. The guy is 39 freaking years old!! for christ sakes.

Yes Lewis did show he was the best guy because....HE WON

so now your critasizing Lewis for being big?

my god talking to Vitali fans is like talking to a brick wall sometimes.

Fact is Lewis and Vitali fought eachother and Lewis ****ed Vitali's face up so bad he could not continue making Lewis the winner of the fight.

you have to admit..LL retiring right after his hardest fight..looks bad on his legacy get me..and then it make VK look bad also,..thats why people wanted the rematch..cuz now its like

VK-never won the belt from LL (althought beat corrie for it which was big..corrie would have given LL hella trouble with the hieght and power)..and thats why hell people dont respect VK

and then LL..people are pissed and think he a ***** for not giving vk a rematch get me

its like to careers got screwed over no rematch..and its no VK's falut there wasnt one

No only shameless haters like you think it looks bad for a man to go out on top.

oh now Corrie Sanders would have given Lewis problems oh ok.

your right Vitali NEVER won the belt from Lewis he had to take leftovers. He ahd his shot to take it from Lewis and he couldn't get it done could he.

hold on i am not even a vk fan..so what are u talking about..i may be the most open guy on here to talk about this to...crap i give credit where credit is due,,,and early 90's was good and thats it..from 94 on up ever good guy was arrested over screwed up in someway

max kellerman???well as cartmanfrom south park would say.."oh well sorrrrrry..lets all bow down and put some salt one max's balls and dig in"...max should shut up...lol

anyway no lewis was good of course but still..whatever i am off it i just got pissed i am not a vk fan yet..until he beat byrd and toney i will be a beliver

you may not be a Vitali fan but its obvious your a Lewis hater

For the moment, VK could be the man in the heavyweight division. He probably won't last long though.

You say this like there are a lot of good prospects out there who are waiting to unseat him. There aren't any prospects out there with more than 10 tens wins who I see as any threat to him. The boxer who has the best chance of beating Vitali is in jail.

dammit if only ike was out...

how can i be a lewis hater and respect him...hmmm

anyway i think for now VK will sit on tip..and the like what happened to lewis..a man that will match up with him will come along and we'll se how he does

the thing that pissed me most off was seeing..what was his name..something Gomez get ko'ed in like round one..thats sucked..he was suppose to be the new guy on the block that would be on top...i dont see anyon beating vk for sometimes...lets keep a eye on these prospects

dude but u call me a vk fan and where shunning the hell out of me so how can u say i am a lewis hater when its obvius ur on his nuts...or are a vk hater...has to be one

cuz u dont even repect vk so of course ur a vk hater...i mean so what i am not defending him..he needs to big fights after williams to prove himself

well so far Vitali's heart has been tested twice and he has lost both fights.

TKO against Lewis and he quit on his stool against Byrd.

No wrong I respect Vitali.

I call you a Lewis hater becuase you are...I mean have you not seen some of the stuff you have typed on this thread?. You can say you respect him till your blue in the face but its obvious you wont give him credit for anything.

No only shameless haters like you think it looks bad for a man to go out on top.

oh now Corrie Sanders would have given Lewis problems oh ok.

your right Vitali NEVER won the belt from Lewis he had to take leftovers. He ahd his shot to take it from Lewis and he couldn't get it done could he.
i think lennox was a great fighter he beat some great fighters of his era but V.K has his number lennox knows it everybody realy knows it lennox was my 5th all time HW now because of that garbage he pulled with V.K he is now around 15th a great fighter will never let that happen to him

Now i even think if it wasnt for V.K lennox would still be fighting and beating the **** out of everybody else

he has Lewis number? really? cause last time I checked they fought and Lewis WON

blue in the face from what..u saying our era of HW good please...and then saying holyfield was still good when he fough lewis..come on..after that holy went on to lose to john ruiz!!!..holy was shot come on...and after that that the most decent fight for lewis was tua(whos is what 5'10 at most)..i mean i respect him...for some of his amazing ko's but he was never exciting

lewis never fought anyone with good boxing ability and height to test him..and when he did he had trouble..simple as that..he won the fight by a cut but lost in everything else..

the win counts no doubt but then lewis retiring didnt look good no matter if ur a lewis fan.a lewis nuthugger.. LL hater..a vk fan or a vk hater

i am not taking anything from lewis except he had a easy era to fight threw and thats what wont make him one of the top 5 ever..which he said he is

*yawn*

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Lenny avoided Sanders and admitted he did as such when he was promoting him against Vitali.

oh of course

wouldn't have anything to do with Sanders and Lewis being friends or anything would it?*rolleyes*

lewis and corrie what..are ball-lickers what i am sorry lol...its boxings i mean come on...gatti and ward were best of freinds and they gave it there all...

lewis saying that get him further down on the list..."oh he's may friend i dont wanna hurt him"..come on plz..this is boxing unless ur family i dont care...and thats bs..cuz corrie has said he wanted the fight and lewis camp denied..so lewis pussed out not corrie ok..

this is true also..look it up it was lewis who didnt wanna fight..corrie said he did..he said he was ok with it..cuz its boxing "my job"

would someone please tell me what Corrie Sanders ever did in his career to even deserve a title shot?

List me his 5 biggest wins

why dont you adds all of wlads wins..then divide it by the ko..by only the 2nd round!!!! of corrie :D ...trust me wlad beat hella good peole and even KD bryd

the one thing i would like to see is when judgement day is here and the holy one says I AM GOING TO PUT A STOP TO ALL THIS GREATEST BOXER OF ALL TIME CRAP!


he then pulls every great boxer out of their grave and holds a toughman contest

after we have champions in every weight class he then will make every fighter 6ft and 200lb then we will find out just who the best realy is :D

why dont you adds all of wlads wins..then divide it by the ko..by only the 2nd round!!!! of corrie :D ...trust me wlad beat hella good peole and even KD bryd

Like I said name me Corrie Sanders top 5 wins...if you can do it.

why would Lennox have to avenge a win?

thank you! why is it that no one seems to understand that.

thank you! why is it that no one seems to understand that.

Didn't Jones do that?

This is going to be easy young puppy because you are obviously too young to remember Corrie "Bomber" Sanders only Corrie "The Sniper" Sanders.


TKO over W Klitschko in 2
TKO over B Cooper in 3 (when Cooper was dangerous)
TKO over C DeLeon in 1 (tough fighter on long win streak Sanders annihilated him)
KO over L. Billups (Lewis could only manage a decision the year before)
TKO over A. Cole in 1 (TOUGH fighter lasted about 30 total seconds BRUTAL)
TKO over Czyz in 2 (Holyfield hit Czyz with everything he had and couldn't get him out from punches but Sanders retired him)
KO over J. DuPlooy in 1 (very tough fighter lasted only seconds against Sanders)
TKO over O. Tisdale in 2 (he fought Guinn and Moorer within 4 months of this fight they could only manage decisions. He literally ran as fast as he could once Sanders touched him until he got wiped out)
TKO over Art Card in 1 ( he just went the distance against L Holmes lasted "blink and you missed it" against Sanders)

Corrie also literally knocked Franz Botha out COLD 3 out of 4 times that they met as amateurs and Franz took a lopsided loss in the bout he survived by holding on like grim death.

The real shame is the fact that he couldn't get any title/high profile fights although he fought as a co-feature on many MAJOR cards. Don King/boxing writers would openly denigrate him for being a cop in South Africa. He was BLACKLISTED. He was avoided by anyone and everyone and would occasionally show up on USA network to obliterate someone then would go back home.Corrie "Bomber" Sanders.

Which just shows how stupid Wlad's management was to schedule him for a tuneup fight before Lewis. Corrie is such a wasted talent. He hits so hard and he is a southpaw. That's a lethal combination. Rahman was saved by the bell in the 2nd round when he fought Sanders, and then in the third Sanders nearly knocked him over the ropes with an uppercut. If Corrie ever actually bothered to train he could have been a dominate force.

TKO over W Klitschko in 2
TKO over B Cooper in 3 (when Cooper was dangerous)
TKO over C DeLeon in 1 (tough fighter on long win streak Sanders annihilated him)
KO over L. Billups (Lewis could only manage a decision the year before)
TKO over A. Cole in 1 (TOUGH fighter lasted about 30 total seconds BRUTAL)
TKO over Czyz in 2 (Holyfield hit Czyz with everything he had and couldn't get him out from punches but Sanders retired him)
KO over J. DuPlooy in 1 (very tough fighter lasted only seconds against Sanders)
TKO over O. Tisdale in 2 (he fought Guinn and Moorer within 4 months of this fight they could only manage decisions. He literally ran as fast as he could once Sanders touched him until he got wiped out)
TKO over Art Card in 1 ( he just went the distance against L Holmes lasted "blink and you missed it" against Sanders)

this is the single most pathetic list I have EVER seen and anyone who has any knowledge of the sport whats so ever will agree

your actually trying to list guys as credible opponents

your better than that

this is the single most pathetic list I have EVER seen and anyone who has any knowledge of the sport whats so ever will agree

your actually trying to list guys as credible opponents

your better than that

A big time Lewis fan shouldn't be hating on a good friend of Lewis's.

Hey jose I made 11,000 dollars in 30 minutes tonight...what did you make some refried beans and a pitcher of Kool-Aid?

Hey jose I made 11,000 dollars in 30 minutes tonight...what did you make some refried beans and a pitcher of Kool-Aid?


Dont get mad at me cause you cant talk boxing without making yourself sound like a fool.

Its amazing looking back to really old threads how many of these guys aren't on here anymore!!!!!

Waaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa Vitali really beat up Lewis Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa It was just a cut Waaaaaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaa


He won fair and square DEAL WITH IT



Lennox got a formal victory fair and square by working on that cut, but Vitaliy have got the moral victory.

Finally, Lennox should have given a rematch to Vitaliy that he promised him. He did not keep his word.


P.S. When I wrote this I did not realize that this is a bump of an old thread. WOW