Episode No. 10 recap: "The Ultimate Fighter: U.S. vs. U.K." (http://mmajunkie.com/news/15083/episode-no-10-recap-the-ultimate-fighter-u-s-vs-u-k-.mma)

Episode No. 10 of "The Ultimate Fighter: U.S. vs. U.K." opens with the remaining eight fighters being paired up for the semifinals.

While opposing coaches Dan Henderson and Michale Bisping can't agree on the lightweight matchups, and Team U.S.'s Cameron Dollar throws another wrinkle in the mix by saying he'd like to fight teammate Jason Dent.

UFC President Dana White is intrigued by the idea of teammates fighting, guaranteeing an all Team U.S. vs. Team U.K. finale. The coaches don't feel the same, and White refuses to tip his hand until the final moment.

Henderson offers his boss a less than flattering gesture at the evening's fight announcements as he senses a potential teammate vs. teammate semifinal. In the end, it's not to be, and each fighter will face an opponent from the opposite team.

White sets the semifinals as follows:

Welterweight Semifinals

* DaMarques Johnson vs. Nick Osipczak
* Frank Lester vs. James Wilks

Lightweight Semifinals

* Cameron Dollar vs. Andre Winner
* Jason Dent vs. Ross Pearson

White says he made the decision based on the unmatched energy the cast has brought to "TUF 9," and he commends Lester as being the only second-chance replacement fighter ever to win his bout.

Back at the house, the two teams celebrate the coming of the semifinals with a group barbecue.

During the evening, lightweight Richie Whitson walks in on everyone's favorite Team U.S. welterweight Jason Pierce as he bellyaches about his squad to Team U.K.'s David Faulkner. As Pierce complains about his teammates' behavior, Whitson questions why Pierce never stepped into the cage.

It's the most fire we've seen out of Pierce all season, and he challenges Whitson to "jump weight" up to 170-pounds so he can smash his eyeballs. There's some momentary tension, but things settle quickly.

The next morning, Whitson overhears Pierce sharing scouting information on American fighters with the British competitors. No one is happy to hear of the revelation. Henderson approaches Pierce about the report, but Pierce steadfastly denies that he shared any information.

In the next scene, Osipczak immediately shares that Pierce has delivered some valuable scouting reports on Johnson, his opponent in the season's first semifinal.

After some training montages from both fighters, it's time to detrmine the season's first finalist.

DaMarques Johnson vs. Nick Osipczak

Referee Herb Dean gets the bout underway, and the two take turns landing single punches and a few low kicks. Less than a minute in, Johnson scores a takedown but is unable to keep his opponent on the floor.

Osipczak stands, but Johnson lands a few solid straight punches before narrowly missing a knee. The pair stands toe-to-toe, trading, though Johnson earns another takedown.

Osipczak looks for an armbar, but Johnson resists. Johnson looks to pass to mount, but Osipczak prevents the move. Johnson lands a few blows from the top, but Osipczak answers from the bottom. With less than a minute remaining, Johnson stands, and Osipczak follows.

Back on the feet, Osipczak comes alive, drilling Johnson with a right hand before throwing a barrage of 17 punches. Johnson misses with a counter haymaker, and Osipczak catches him again. Dean keeps a close eye on a battered Johnson, who immediately retaliates in a Griffin-vs.-Bonna-esque exchange as the round expires. It's a rousing finish to a round Johnson wins, yet barely survives.

The excitement continues into the second, and Johnson scores the first salvo with a big knee. Osipczak shoots, but Johnson sprawls, and advances to side control. Osipczak regains guard in a scramble, and the Brit starts sneaking his leg up for a triangle.

Johnson passes back out to side control, then damages Osipczak with punches from the top. Dean calls for action, but Osipczak looks winded on his back. The Brit looks for a submission from bottom, but Johnson keeps him pinned to the floor.

Johnson passes to mount, then moves to the back when Osipczak rolls. The Brit simply hangs on as time expires, and Osipczak is very slow to rise. He gets a second win in the corner, and lives to answer the bell for round three.

Osipczak appears fatigued, but he battles in the pocket. Johnson starts to pick him apart with stiff punches that find their mark. A big flying knee scores for the American, but Osipczak gamely stays in the pocket. Johnson finally pushes him to the floor halfway through the round.

Johnson is methodical on the floor, but a few short elbows slam across his opponent's face. Johnson moves to mount, then again to the back, but Osipczak pushes into top position on a scramble.

Johnson pulls guard, and with less than a minute remaining he looks content to stay there. Osipczak tries to finish strong, but the result of the slugfest is obvious.

White gives the fight his official approval, saying the end of the first round "is what fighting is all about." Even Bisping tells Johnson it was a "hell of a fight."

Johnson is excited, though the chunk of his toungue missing dampers his enthusiasm. Osipczak is disappointed with the first loss of his career.

Next week's preview promises to showcase both lightweight semifinals.

WELTERWEIGHT SEMIFINAL

* DaMarques Johnson def. Nick Osipczak via unanimous decision


Great ****ing fight!

Any megaupload links yet?
Can't wait to watch it. So hard not to read that article.

Any megaupload links yet?
Can't wait to watch it. So hard not to read that article.

yeah it was a very good fight, glad I caught it

and next week should be better, with BOTH lightweight bouts being shown

**so glad that TUF has decided to show the occasional 2 fights per episode.

I know Jakkups is gonna drop the Hookup!!!

Wheres the Hook up G?

Here ya go lads

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You are the Man bruv...

Run the MMA scene on here you do...

Respect

that was a great fight....man johnson took some major shots at the end of the 1st and came back...that's something u cant teach this guy is for real.....

I cant stand the C*nt as well either...

Good fighter wanker as a person

I cant stand the C*nt as well either...

Good fighter wanker as a person


^ who Johnson?

^ who Johnson?

Yeh MJ johnson brother..

Lost all respect for him when he went into the parking lot crying
bout the water incident

lol

Yeh MJ johnson brother..

Lost all respect for him when he went into the parking lot crying
bout the water incident

lol

oh the infamous water incident, lol.

eh I think Bisping came across worse in that situation to be honest. Not only getting the wrong guy (Cameron said the comment which Bisping took as racist)

but "white as a band aid?" is racist? uh not so much, lol.

Yeah, Bisping looked like a real prat with the water bottle thing.

I find Johnson a bit annoying, but I guess he just has a big personality. Some of the other lads are barely ever on camera because they must be really quiet or something.

yeah Johnson is featured a bit too much on the show, IMO

and probably the fighter that appears most on camera for team US.

but to his credit at least he "backs up" his talk for the most part and is fighting in the Finale.

yeah Johnson is featured a bit too much on the show, IMO

and probably the fighter that appears most on camera for team US.

but to his credit at least he "backs up" his talk for the most part and is fighting in the Finale.

Yeah, guy has heart and skills.

I don't mind him being on camera, but some of the guys who are still in the competition are hardly ever shown, whereas a few of the guys who aren't in it are on camera quite a bit.

They should send Pierce and Faulkner home. They are both out for themselves and not team players, and since they aren't competing there's no point in keeping them around.

Yea, you don't throw water in someones face, that's just dissrespectful. I thought Johnson fought well, the only thing is he gassed out or I thought he would have beaten the other dude easily.

I'm finally glad seeing a MMA fighter throwing straight punches.

Another thing that bothered me about Bisping was him missing his guy's fight a few weeks ago.

You could see beforehand that it affected the guy and it was a big **** up on Bisping's part.

oh the infamous water incident, lol.

eh I think Bisping came across worse in that situation to be honest. Not only getting the wrong guy (Cameron said the comment which Bisping took as racist)

but "white as a band aid?" is racist? uh not so much, lol.

He was out of order to do it right BUT now its double standard there..

Im a black dude if i said to someone your legs are white as a band aid it aint racist
but if he turned to me and said yo your legs are black like coal that **** is kinda racist lol

Dont make sense....

But the bigger problem is he didnt even say it lol
But the dude that did said it kept there quiet and didnt say a thing!
Thats a ***** move..

But still yeh johnson dont like the chap at all

Another thing that bothered me about Bisping was him missing his guy's fight a few weeks ago.

You could see beforehand that it affected the guy and it was a big **** up on Bisping's part.

Yeh C that was out of order as well..

I was expecting a real big sorry on Bispings part

Should of took the guy out for lunch or at least something! lol

I didnt wake up cuz my alarm didnt go off or whatever he said along those lines aint acceptable...

Yea, you don't throw water in someones face, that's just dissrespectful. I thought Johnson fought well, the only thing is he gassed out or I thought he would have beaten the other dude easily.

I'm finally glad seeing a MMA fighter throwing straight punches.

Johnson did the job well. He got tired because of Nick. Much respect to Nick because he is a lot tougher than he appears and he's one active guy when he's on his back. Johnson just outmuscled him when it counted but it took a lot out of him in the process.

He was out of order to do it right BUT now its double standard there..

Im a black dude if i said to someone your legs are white as a band aid it aint racist
but if he turned to me and said yo your legs are black like coal that **** is kinda racist lol

Dont make sense....

But the bigger problem is he didnt even say it lol
But the dude that did said it kept there quiet and didnt say a thing!
Thats a ***** move..

But still yeh johnson dont like the chap at all

well there's always been a double standard when it comes to racist, IMO and i concur with you, it really doesn't make sense.

as a white person, the only justification that I have for it is the racial slurs for white people when compared to other races, are very few ... i.e. cracker or honky when compared to the numerous amount of slurs for the other races .. since their are so many more slurs for the other ethic groups, thus the sensitivity, IMO.

and being "white as a band aid" I really don't find racist AT all, so i dunno what's worse, using the insult in the first place, or reacting to it.

as you might as well say someone's skin is "white as notebook paper" .. again, it's a very dumb insult if anything.

yeah Cameron really should have spoken up, heck I would of in that situation, "White like a band aid isn't racist, you moron" lol

and I don't see what's so bad about Johnson. there has been many more worse personalities on the show ... i.e. Gabe, Junie, War Machine Andy Wang, Jesse Taylor .. so in that sense is Johnson really that bad, when compared to the other 4 fighters I brought up.

well there's always been a double standard when it comes to racist, IMO and i concur with you, it really doesn't make sense.

as a white person, the only justification that I have for it is the racial slurs for white people when compared to other races, are very few ... i.e. cracker or honky when compared to the numerous amount of slurs for the other races .. since their are so many more slurs for the other ethic groups, thus the sensitivity, IMO.

and being "white as a band aid" I really don't find racist AT all, so i dunno what's worse, using the insult in the first place, or reacting to it.

as you might as well say someone's skin is "white as notebook paper" .. again, it's a very dumb insult if anything.

yeah Cameron really should have spoken up, heck I would of in that situation, "White like a band aid isn't racist, you moron" lol

and I don't see what's so bad about Johnson. there has been many more worse personalities on the show ... i.e. Gabe, Junie, War Machine Andy Wang, Jesse Taylor .. so in that sense is Johnson really that bad, when compared to the other 4 fighters I brought up.

Yeh it isnt that Johnson isnt that bad i dont know why but out of everyone i took an instant dislike to him..That and the ginger chap from the States side
the one who already lost...

Onto the other points you made i totally agree Bruv.
It does seem a silly thing to take as a racist comment but neverless said the other way and it would be...

Enjoying the show though cant wait for episode 11

yeah same here. overall this season has been SO much better then previous ones IMO.

good crop of fighters

and the action in the ring for once actually exceeds all the "in house" BS.

well there's always been a double standard when it comes to racist, IMO and i concur with you, it really doesn't make sense.

as a white person, the only justification that I have for it is the racial slurs for white people when compared to other races, are very few ... i.e. cracker or honky when compared to the numerous amount of slurs for the other races .. since their are so many more slurs for the other ethic groups, thus the sensitivity, IMO.

and being "white as a band aid" I really don't find racist AT all, so i dunno what's worse, using the insult in the first place, or reacting to it.

as you might as well say someone's skin is "white as notebook paper" .. again, it's a very dumb insult if anything.

yeah Cameron really should have spoken up, heck I would of in that situation, "White like a band aid isn't racist, you moron" lol

and I don't see what's so bad about Johnson. there has been many more worse personalities on the show ... i.e. Gabe, Junie, War Machine Andy Wang, Jesse Taylor .. so in that sense is Johnson really that bad, when compared to the other 4 fighters I brought up.

I think the double standard has to do with the legacy of racism in the United States and the historical significance of racism perpetrated by whites.

Thus, whereas the "white as a band aide" comment may sound mildly off base, a comment comparing a black person's skin to coal, as in the example previously given, carries the added weight that such comments have historically been used as a calculated means to degrade entire classes of people on the basis of their skin color.

Am I the only one who has no idea who any of the fighters are when referred to by name?

I think the double standard has to do with the legacy of racism in the United States and the historical significance of racism perpetrated by whites.

Thus, whereas the "white as a band aide" comment may sound mildly off base, a comment comparing a black person's skin to coal, as in the example previously given, carries the added weight that such comments have historically been used as a calculated means to degrade entire classes of people on the basis of their skin color.

Without dwelling on it you hear what im saying though with the reference to the Coal remark..

yes we get you, but the fact that coal is a dirty substance probably adds in to the fact of someones skin being compared to it to add into the negativity

and the whole idea of manual labor, just got me thinking. maybe I overthunk it, but anyway.

I think the double standard has to do with the legacy of racism in the United States and the historical significance of racism perpetrated by whites.

Thus, whereas the "white as a band aide" comment may sound mildly off base, a comment comparing a black person's skin to coal, as in the example previously given, carries the added weight that such comments have historically been used as a calculated means to degrade entire classes of people on the basis of their skin color.

true, the US does have a quite extensive legacy of racism .. and whites are not subjected to it nearly as much as the other classes of people, which is probably why there aren't as many ways to downgrade a white person as the other ethnic groups

**I'm still in a hoot how Bisping tried to justify his behavior (water spraying) on the basis that he was the victim of a racial comment.

"white as a band aid" is nothing compared to some of the other horribly degrading terms that are actually racist.

Yea, you don't throw water in someones face, that's just dissrespectful. I thought Johnson fought well, the only thing is he gassed out or I thought he would have beaten the other dude easily.

I'm finally glad seeing a MMA fighter throwing straight punches.

lol, I was watching the fight and I thought about you getting excited over his striking.

Without dwelling on it you hear what im saying though with the reference to the Coal remark..

Oh yeah, I got your point. I was just borrowing your example to make a separate point. I was more alluding to sociology. You were just describing a situation as I understood it, so separate points.

I'm finally glad seeing a MMA fighter throwing straight punches

haha, i didnt catch much of the show, but that is a big pet peeve i have is those looping damn punches. it really makes me almost look down on fighters if i dont see a single straight punch throughout a whole fight. when i see those almost wild looping punches, it reminds me of a toughman competition.

sometimes, hooks are needed though. but, for a hook u dont necessarily need to have a wide arc in your swing.

so, did the UK whoop up on the americans. that is what i was told a while ago, but my guy who follows that more than me is in jail now. so i dunno whats up.

anyone kind enough to give a short recap of how the season has been so far?

haha, i didnt catch much of the show, but that is a big pet peeve i have is those looping damn punches. it really makes me almost look down on fighters if i dont see a single straight punch throughout a whole fight. when i see those almost wild looping punches, it reminds me of a toughman competition.

sometimes, hooks are needed though. but, for a hook u dont necessarily need to have a wide arc in your swing.

so, did the UK whoop up on the americans. that is what i was told a while ago, but my guy who follows that more than me is in jail now. so i dunno whats up.

anyone kind enough to give a short recap of how the season has been so far?

It is 5 to 4 US, one of the Americans Demarques Johnson{Throws straight punches} is heading into the finals. The semi finals are still being played out with Dent{US} vs Pearson{UK} and Dollar{US} vs Winner{UK}

It is 5 to 4 US, one of the Americans Demarques Johnson{Throws straight punches} is heading into the finals. The semi finals are still being played out with Dent{US} vs Pearson{UK} and Dollar{US} vs Winner{UK}



cool bro. thanks a lot! i must check it out. i'm watching mma-tv right now. yeah, i'm one of those dudes that not only practices, but could watch docu's and martial arts fights 24/7. i just been busy lately - we had our annual tournament.

thanks for the score update. appreciate it.

cool bro. thanks a lot! i must check it out. i'm watching mma-tv right now. yeah, i'm one of those dudes that not only practices, but could watch docu's and martial arts fights 24/7. i just been busy lately - we had our annual tournament.

thanks for the score update. appreciate it.

There is also going to be a rematch between Frank Lester{US} and James Wilks{UK}. If you remember Lester got his teeth knocked out in their first encounter but then later went on to beat Faulkner, one of the best members on Team UK. It should be a good match while it lasts but Frank is pretty beat up and winded.

There is also going to be a rematch between Frank Lester{US} and James Wilks{UK}. If you remember Lester got his teeth knocked out in their first encounter but then later went on to beat Faulkner, one of the best members on Team UK. It should be a good match while it lasts but Frank is pretty beat up and winded.

actually i just saw the highlites of that fight. but damn, i ill definitely tune in for that!!

thnx!

actually i just saw the highlites of that fight. but damn, i ill definitely tune in for that!!

thnx!

Np........

they just had gonzaga vs mccully from one of the UFC's on mma-tv right now.

helluva leg kick gonzaga throws.

It is 5 to 4 US, one of the Americans Demarques Johnson{Throws straight punches} is heading into the finals. The semi finals are still being played out with Dent{US} vs Pearson{UK} and Dollar{US} vs Winner{UK}
I appreciate the update, but what about Frank Lesnar?!?

I appreciate the update, but what about Frank Lesnar?!?

Check the second post.

they just had gonzaga vs mccully from one of the UFC's on mma-tv right now.

helluva leg kick gonzaga throws.

What channel is MMA TV? Is it an internet stream?

Check the second post.
Yeah I read it man, I didn't update the thread before I posted. So what happens with the winner then? Also, isn't there two weight divisions this season? Or no?

I appreciate the update, but what about Frank Lesnar?!?

hey I thought you couldn't tell the difference between fighters? lol

i thought his name was Lester, and yeah he's fighting James Wilks for the other finalist spot at Welterweight.

as for Lightweight.

it's Cameron Dollar vs Andre Winner in one semi final

and Ross Pearson vs Jason Dent in the other semi final

hey I thought you couldn't tell the difference between fighters? lol

i thought his name was Lester, and yeah he's fighting James Wilks for the other finalist spot at Welterweight.

as for Lightweight.

it's Cameron Dollar vs Andre Winner in one semi final

and Ross Pearson vs Jason Dent in the other semi final
Yeah, he's an exception.

Also, your probably right that it's Lester but Lesnar is more memorable lol.

Yeah, he's an exception.

Also, your probably right that it's Lester but Lesnar is more memorable lol.

yeah but just remember Frank's the one without the penis/sword tattooed on his chest.

I feel bad for Frank, having to fight someone who already busted him up badly. The guy has tons of heart though so I wouldn't count him out until the very end.

I think the UK will win at lightweight, the US at welterweight. Not certain though, as there have been some upsets already.

What channel is MMA TV? Is it an internet stream?

I think so, if j is talking about the thing that I've watched before.

On JustinTV there are a couple of MMA channels that show old shows all day long. I've watched it before, it's cool to tune in and catch a good fight at random.

I feel bad for Frank, having to fight someone who already busted him up badly. The guy has tons of heart though so I wouldn't count him out until the very end.

I think the UK will win at lightweight, the US at welterweight. Not certain though, as there have been some upsets already.



I think so, if j is talking about the thing that I've watched before.

On JustinTV there are a couple of MMA channels that show old shows all day long. I've watched it before, it's call to tune in and catch a good fight at random.

Regardless of the outcome Brits should be pleased about their showing. There has been some good coaching by Bisbing for the most part and great team unity on the Brit side. It will come down to the wire most likely.

I feel bad for Frank, having to fight someone who already busted him up badly. The guy has tons of heart though so I wouldn't count him out until the very end.

I think the UK will win at lightweight, the US at welterweight. Not certain though, as there have been some upsets already.



I think so, if j is talking about the thing that I've watched before.

On JustinTV there are a couple of MMA channels that show old shows all day long. I've watched it before, it's call to tune in and catch a good fight at random.
You shouldn't feel bad for Frank at all, he's already fought the guy once so he knows exactly what to expect. Wilks obviously had the edge in the first fight, but the fact that Frank has already fought him once and came up short simply means that he will be more prepared the second time around. In other words, the first defeat was nothing other than a blessing in disguise, as he now stands a better chance of victory having come up short against Wilks the first time around.

This line of reasoning presupposes that Fank has good heart and is strong mentally, bur I have seen nothing to suggest that anything other is the case.

I see the Lester/Wilks rematch going the same as the first. People seem to think that Frank showed alot of heart in his last fight. But quite frankly I didn't see anything different in the way he fought or how he acted mentally because he was in there with a guy who had no heart and was basically gassed from the moment the fight got under way. Wilks proved he could take Frank's best which broke Frank the first time. I see it going in Wilks favour again.

I see the Lester/Wilks rematch going the same as the first. People seem to think that Frank showed alot of heart in his last fight. But quite frankly I didn't see anything different in the way he fought or how he acted mentally because he was in there with a guy who had no heart and was basically gassed from the moment the fight got under way. Wilks proved he could take Frank's best which broke Frank the first time. I see it going in Wilks favour again.

I agree, and I think Wilks will beat Johnson in the final by submission.

I agree, and I think Wilks will beat Johnson in the final by submission.

Pearson will win it, don't be foolish.

Pearson will win it, don't be foolish.

Pearson's a 155lb'er, Johnson and Wilks are 170lb'ers.

Pearson will win it, don't be foolish.

Different weightclass, don't be foolish.

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Different weightclass, don't be foolish.

Pearson's a 155lb'er, Johnson and Wilks are 170lb'ers.



He will jump weight and do it, Yes he can!

He will jump weight and do it, Yes he can!

I actually think Andre is gonna win the 155lb side of things.

I actually think Andre is gonna win the 155lb side of things.

I have been a fan of Pearson since his first preliminary bout so he is my pick.

Heart over head prevails every time in my predictions.

I have been a fan of Pearson since his first preliminary bout so he is my pick.

Heart over head prevails every time in my predictions.

I wonder what the odds are of an all Brit Lightweight Final ... I'd like to see it for one.

and going back to "annoying fighters" which kinda jump started this topic

Frank Lester's behavior after winning his elimination fight (to get into the house) struck me as just plain obnoxious.

he showed no humility and was very arrogant, about winning and doesn't even really acknowledge the fact he won by a freak accidental self kayo since his opponent knocked himself out with a slam.

something like that ^ would irritate me much more then anything any other fighter has done on the show.

I wonder what the odds are of an all Brit Lightweight Final ... I'd like to see it for one.

and going back to "annoying fighters" which kinda jump started this topic

Frank Lester's behavior after winning his elimination fight (to get into the house) struck me as just plain obnoxious.

he showed no humility and was very arrogant, about winning and doesn't even really acknowledge the fact he won by a freak accidental self kayo since his opponent knocked himself out with a slam.

something like that ^ would irritate me much more then anything any other fighter has done on the show.

This adds to why I don't see him getting past Wilks. Out of his 2 wins on the show he didn't do anything to win those bouts IMO. The first as you stated was a self KO reminiscent of Lindland/Vitale. The second was all down to Faulkner gassing and showing no heart, basically quitting. The fight itself was a joke and Frank didn't even look impressive whatsoever. In fact the most impressive he looked was against Wilks the first time.

I see the Lester/Wilks rematch going the same as the first. People seem to think that Frank showed alot of heart in his last fight. But quite frankly I didn't see anything different in the way he fought or how he acted mentally because he was in there with a guy who had no heart and was basically gassed from the moment the fight got under way. Wilks proved he could take Frank's best which broke Frank the first time. I see it going in Wilks favour again.
I wasn't saying Lester will win, I was just saying that if you assume he prepare's properly and has heart, he should have a better chance in a rematch imo. Of course the oposite could just as well be true and Wilks could just blow away Frank this time, it had just seemed like Frank improved in his last fight to me. You might be right that it was more his opponent breaking down, but I thought Lester broke him down.

guys, i use sopcast or tvu to watch mma events and kung fu flicks.

if anyone here knows chinese, i can hook u up with some ****.
I'd be interested. I don't really know much Chinese but I know some, mostly writing.

This adds to why I don't see him getting past Wilks. Out of his 2 wins on the show he didn't do anything to win those bouts IMO. The first as you stated was a self KO reminiscent of Lindland/Vitale. The second was all down to Faulkner gassing and showing no heart, basically quitting. The fight itself was a joke and Frank didn't even look impressive whatsoever. In fact the most impressive he looked was against Wilks the first time.
I see your point, I take back the **** I said about Frank lol. I hadn't thought about the fact that both of his wins came down more to his opponents losing the fight than to Frank fighting to win.

regarding Lester and his opponents wilting due to themselves more then Lester

I'll draw a middle line

definetly true for Frank's 1st fight as his opponent looked to have the advantage, and looked to be winning the fight before kayoing himself with the slam .. no real argument against that, as the dude took himself out.

regarding the Faulker fight .. it was dead even after two rounds (thus the Sudden Victory) and Faulkner looked more like he quit on himself then anything

cuz it's not like he was injured and was unable to continue.

but who knows how much Dave really was hurting, I guess the Wilks rematch will give us a better indication.

**random tidbit, just checked s-dog and it said that Faulkner and Amasinger .. who are teammates on team UK fought vs each other.

regarding Lester and his opponents wilting due to themselves more then Lester

I'll draw a middle line

definetly true for Frank's 1st fight as his opponent looked to have the advantage, and looked to be winning the fight before kayoing himself with the slam .. no real argument against that, as the dude took himself out.

regarding the Faulker fight .. it was dead even after two rounds (thus the Sudden Victory) and Faulkner looked more like he quit on himself then anything

cuz it's not like he was injured and was unable to continue.

but who knows how much Dave really was hurting, I guess the Wilks rematch will give us a better indication.

Lester will most likely get destroyed by Wilks even worse than the last time if possible. Frank is battle worn and heavily beaten up. Lets not forget he has had the most fights out of any cast member and taken the most damage as well. IMO even at full health the chances are slim to none but in this current state there is no chance.

regarding Lester and his opponents wilting due to themselves more then Lester

I'll draw a middle line

definetly true for Frank's 1st fight as his opponent looked to have the advantage, and looked to be winning the fight before kayoing himself with the slam .. no real argument against that, as the dude took himself out.

regarding the Faulker fight .. it was dead even after two rounds (thus the Sudden Victory) and Faulkner looked more like he quit on himself then anything

cuz it's not like he was injured and was unable to continue.

but who knows how much Dave really was hurting, I guess the Wilks rematch will give us a better indication.

**random tidbit, just checked s-dog and it said that Faulkner and Amasinger .. who are teammates on team UK fought vs each other.

Yeah Faulkner and Amasinger fought at CWFC 2 years ago. Amasinger won by DQ.

Faulkner wasn't hurt. If you go back to the first episode during the UK elimination fights Bisping even says to Dana White that Dave's got all the tools but mentally he is very weak.

Yeah Faulkner and Amasinger fought at CWFC 2 years ago. Amasinger won by DQ.

Faulkner wasn't hurt. If you go back to the first episode during the UK elimination fights Bisping even says to Dana White that Dave's got all the tools but mentally he is very weak.

the only reason I leave that tiny bit of doubt is who knows how much Dave was hurting

but yeah, your probably right, going into that 3rd round Dave did get hit some, in the second, but by no means did he look unfit to fight.

and I do recall Dave himself even saying something about fatigue post fight.

and what a shame to go out like that, he won the first round .. losses momentum in the second, and just chooses to not continue?

ouch

Faulkner is a heartless twat.

the only reason I leave that tiny bit of doubt is who knows how much Dave was hurting

but yeah, your probably right, going into that 3rd round Dave did get hit some, in the second, but by no means did he look unfit to fight.

and I do recall Dave himself even saying something about fatigue post fight.

and what a shame to go out like that, he won the first round .. losses momentum in the second, and just chooses to not continue?

ouch

Dude it's the sign of a guy with know heart that needs to find excuses as to why they quit. He had the biggest opportunity of his life and he decided to quit plain and simple. A guy who truly wanted it would've sucked it up and gone for it no matter what. But he just quit.

That dude Faulkner is clearly in the wrong line of work, he does not have the tempermant of a fighter whatsoever. Perhaps he could be a cardio kickboxing instructor.

Firstly GREAT FIGHT!!!!

Second credit to Johnson it was a war and he came through, he also said after the fight to Bisping "i always looked up to you"

Firstly GREAT FIGHT!!!!

Second credit to Johnson it was a war and he came through, he also said after the fight to Bisping "i always looked up to you"

Johnson said that to bisping?

Johnson said that to bisping?

Yea, he isn't the dick editing makes him out to be.

I second the heartless twat comment.

Yea, he isn't the dick editing makes him out to be.

**** didnt know that...

Fair play...

Yea, he isn't the dick editing makes him out to be.
Johnson's always seemed like a stand-up guy to me, the editing has made him out as a dick though at times.

that's television for ya ^

eh I don't even think Johnson's THAT bad, to be honest.

Lester rubbed me the wrong way after how he acted on winning his fight to get into the house.

Johnson said that to bisping?

Listen to when he wins and goes over to Bisping.

I got respect for Johnson for that.

They play up feuds and stupidity on the show to fill time and make it fit into the 1-hour slot. In all honesty I don't even watch the crap that isn't related to the training or the fighting because it is pointless.

Listen to when he wins and goes over to Bisping.

I got respect for Johnson for that.

To be honest i've got respect for him just after reading that
and everyone knows my thoughts on Johnson...

Haven't been watching.

Which team is winning the most fights? US or UK?

I think the US leads but its pretty close....

They play up feuds and stupidity on the show to fill time and make it fit into the 1-hour slot. In all honesty I don't even watch the crap that isn't related to the training or the fighting because it is pointless.

accurate.

of course they do.

if the producers, or whoever is in charge of putting on the show can trick the viewers into thinking that so and so "hate each other" more power to em.

I agree with you, all that BS really is pointless and belongs on MTV Road Rules or Real Life, keep to the in cage fighting regarding Ultimate Fighter and your good to go, I already mentioned in another thread, but it's a great start by having 2 fights in an episode compared to one, as the more fights = less time for drama and other hyjinks

and lets face it 16 guys living + training together in a house and getting along might be possible .. but it won't make for "good" television.