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Nah Em is better. But I have only heard two AZ albums and his features. I'm not really into AZ Do or Die was nice though. But he seems to sound the same on every track.

I'd take Em. Em has the best control of his flow and his multi's and word play can't be matched really.

AZ is a bitter old rapper that never blew up.... Him and Canibus should do a collabo since they are both in that same boat.

im starting to think that AZ might be the best lyricist ever...lyrically, i would probably put eminem top 5

Eminems biggest problem to me is his discography that cant match up to several other rappers

"...tho' music's magical causing any tattles to be tragical
child, got a style sick as hell
sicker than sickle cell anemia
slaughter your story, gory like lukemia
filled with larceny, who want parts of me?
I'm vicious, mad malicious
cause it's real on this road to riches.."-AZ

smh @ people sleeping on AZ...

AZ's rather unique is one of the best songs i've ever heard lyrically.

Nah Em is better. But I have only heard two AZ albums and his features. I'm not really into AZ Do or Die was nice though. But he seems to sound the same on every track.

I'd take Em. Em has the best control of his flow and his multi's and word play can't be matched really.

I've been working on that move kobe did in your sig for a while...Kobe has more offensive moves then any other basketball player ever

AZ is a bitter old rapper that never blew up.... Him and Canibus should do a collabo since they are both in that same boat.

yeah cuz AZ didn't sell out and make gay songs like azz like that...

AZ >> Canibus

who gives a motherfukk if he never blew up, he still gets his respect from his fans.

lyrically, AZ >> nas

I've been working on that move kobe did in your sig for a while...Kobe has more offensive moves then any other basketball player ever

Bron did it last night but he passed the ball off.

Redman>>>>>>>>>>az

Eminem is good but you are correct in saying he is overrated. His lyrics are good but don't expand much on his trailer park and emotional problems. That is why he is not an ATG lyricist. It is like geeks in hip hop therapy listening to Eminem!

Redman>>>>>>>>>>az

AZ>>>>Redman

AZ>>>>Redman

Redman has better albums, better flow, better voice, more ill, and is an mc's mc.

He has also been apart of group albums that were classic. He's sold records and has countless dope verses and guest appearances. There is only one Redman.

AZ has a couple of good albums I've heard but that's it. The Firm was not a good album.

My opinion.

Redman has better albums, better flow, better voice, more ill, and is an mc's mc.

He has also been apart of group albums that were classic. He's sold records and has countless dope verses and guest appearances. There is only one Redman.

AZ has a couple of good albums I've heard but that's it. The Firm was not a good album.

My opinion.

you said yourself, you only listened to two AZ albums.

you said yourself, you only listened to two AZ albums.

Yeah true but I've had no interest in listening to AZ. But it's not like I haven't heard him enough to form an opinion.

Redman has better albums, better flow, better voice, more ill, and is an mc's mc.

He has also been apart of group albums that were classic. He's sold records and has countless dope verses and guest appearances. There is only one Redman.

AZ has a couple of good albums I've heard but that's it. The Firm was not a good album.

My opinion.

you said yourself, you only listened to two AZ albums.
exactly...close the thread

If someone wants to say redman is a better rapper then AZ, i have no problem with that. But hes not better lyrically. And in my opinion, AZ is better.

Also, i would respect lefhooks opinion more if he listened to more then two AZ albums.

Bigge= Two albums, I have a good idea about the type of artist he is.

NWA= Two albums, I could form an opinion off of that

2pac= 2 albums after he got out of jail, you can judge him. Because I know a lot of people who haven't heard his previous efforts. I have though but just using it for example.

Lupe Fiasco= 2 albums, I know what he's about.

Dr. Dre= 2 albums, I can definitely form an opinion.

You can form opinions off a couple of albums. It's not like I haven't heard features and a few songs off of whole albums.

Bigge= Two albums, I have a good idea about the type of artist he is.

NWA= Two albums, I could form an opinion off of that

2pac= 2 albums after he got out of jail, you can judge him. Because I know a lot of people who haven't heard his previous efforts. I have though but just using it for example.

Lupe Fiasco= 2 albums, I know what he's about.

Dr. Dre= 2 albums, I can definitely form an opinion.

You can form opinions off a couple of albums. It's not like I haven't heard features and a few songs off of whole albums.

which albums have you heard?

which albums have you heard?

Do or Die & AWOL.

Tried to listen to Undeniable but didn't like what I heard. I'll try to give it a listen again.

yeah cuz AZ didn't sell out and make gay songs like azz like that...

Your right cause AZ didnt sell anything...

Budden is fast falling into that category of ill lyrics, but no buzz to sell albums. AZ had his chance, and didnt capitalize off it the way Nas did.

AZ "peeleft:

Do or Die & AWOL.

Tried to listen to Undeniable but didn't like what I heard. I'll try to give it a listen again.

I dont like undeniable as much as his other albums so i see where you coming from (no homo)

I think the best AZ albums are

Doe or die
Aziatic
Awol
9 Lives

Pieces of a Man, Undeniable, The Format, and Final Call all had their moments but were not as good as the other four in my opinion.

Rakim doesn't think so:

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:lol1: @ the Pаki doing the interview.

Rakim doesn't think so:

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:lol1: @ the Pаki doing the interview.i'm glad you put that clip up...that interviewer can say what he wants, it's his opinion, but the truth is the truth---rakim is the truth, and when you hear rakim say what he said about em, you have to respect em's hustle...eminem is nasty...nasty as shit...imo the greatest rapper ot come along in terms of impact, revolution of hip hop, lyrics, flow, rhyme scheme, conscienceness, you name it...he is much better than az also...no disrespect to az, but the reason wm gets a lot of slack from black fans and black media, and what not, is because of his content...but everybody has a story in hip hop, and em has told his to the fullest and more...his flow is on a level of it's own...so is his rhymescheme, sales, whatever...he is the best of the best...color doesn't matter...

eminem talked about his childhood, drugs, his mother, wife, daughter, other rappers, pop stars, politics, the state of hip hop, a rapper's image, crime, fans, you name it, he touched on it...his story is very comp[elling...the best story ever told came from eminem because he wasn't afraid to tell it...he is often labled a genius or brilliant lyricist, ill, nasty, raw, compelling, conscience, controversial, etc...what i see is a mster of the craft of lyrical hip hop, no matter what he touches on, this man puts it in words that keeps you listening...

so what he made songs like azz like that, as the threadstarter found time to put in, as if that is the only song he's ever made(and his flow was nasty on that song...it was different)... people seem to fail to realize that eminem made it in rap by being different...going against the grain...why should he talk about guns, and hood life, and all of that stuff when he came from the enviroment he came from..he can only tell his story, but in hindsight, he has told to his story to the fullest extent and has told it magnificently, and managed to become the top selling rap artist in history...that says somehting---it's okay when tupac sells like he does, because of his thug life image and his me against the world image, but when eminem does it___it's not about sales...why do rappers do what they do then? eminem has a legacy and arguably the hugest impact in rap history with his image, and no matter who likes him, hates him, envies him, or what not, numbers, awards, respect speaks for themselves...he is the thuth...have we forgot about his songs:

-stan
-the way i am
-313
-don't approach me
-mosh
-lose yourself(oscar winner)
-sing for the moment
-renegades
-rock bottom
-white america
-bitophedia
-patiently waiting
-love me
-rabbit run
-revelations
-emulate
-stimulate
-till i collapse
-soldier
-these drugs
-his verse from we ain't(game's album)
-mockingbird
-when i'm gone
-like toy soldiers
-his verse from dead wrong
-his verse from the biggie duets album
-kim
-97 bonnie and clyde
-still don't give a ****
-murder murder
-one day at a time
-fight music
-criminal
-kill you
-jealous woes
-his tim westwood show freestyles
-his verse from mocosa
-his work with the outsidaz
-his underground songs---demon inside me---our house--just to name 2
-his diss records--nail in the coffin---i remember--quitter--bully--the sauce--his verse from gatman and robin--just to name several

i mean, i named so many classic songs from him, and there are so many more---this man transcended hip hop in his own way and rose above everybody else in the process...he is a living legend and icon in the music world, period...

he is poetry in motion and one of the greatest rappers ever, imo, the greatest of the greatest...

Eminem prolly has more better songs than AZ but I prefer AZ any day of the week.

I like AZ's flow, topics, lyricism better.

first of all, to the guy that thinks I don't know who Eminem is...I know exactly who he is and what hes done. I know hes great.....


second of all....texan, AZ is a great rapper. Sales arn't everything.

Eminem is good but you are correct in saying he is overrated. His lyrics are good but don't expand much on his trailer park and emotional problems. That is why he is not an ATG lyricist. It is like geeks in hip hop therapy listening to Eminem!

Don't picture his skin color instead just listen to the lyrics. As a Black man I can't watch Eminem tear Jay Z apart on 'Renegade' live but can listen to the track with no problems. Some times I change his voice and make it sound deeper so the whiteness doesn't shine through as much. In my mind he is a Black man because a White man can't be the best at our game.

Eminem is the top selling rap artist of all time, but by no means does that stand for him being the best rapper of all time. Oscar De La Hoya is the highest paid boxer of all time, was he the best?

2pac, Nas, Method Man, Jay-Z, DMX, are all better rappers than Eminem imo. Em is just different, a blond guy with decent rap skills that stood out because of his color. It's like an upset...you didn't see it coming. Vanilla Ice was the shit back then, he had decent rap skills but nothing special and still got his fame.

If Nas was white, imagine, Illmatic went diamond status...If 2Pac was white, 7 Day Theory sold 28 Million copies Worldwide and went diamond in the US, All Eyez On Me went diamond in the US also, If Pac was white with the skills and attitude he had, Eminem would have looked like an elementary school white boy(which he already does compared to Pac).

I'm not hating, just speaking my honest opinion. If Em was Black, he would have still been ill, but not as famous and as successful. Being white and as troubled as Eminem, catches peoples attention, because they're use to black rappers telling their brutal life sotries. Eminem just happened to catch everyones attention and ride with that, his recent albums have been somewhat mediocre in quality. His first 3 albums can't be denied though.

Eminem is the top selling rap artist of all time, but by no means does that stand for him being the best rapper of all time. Oscar De La Hoya is the highest paid boxer of all time, was he the best?

You're right, record sales do not determine who the best rapper is but to assume Eminem only sold because he was white is just as foolish as people claiming he is the best based on sales.

2pac, Nas, Method Man, Jay-Z, DMX, are all better rappers than Eminem imo. Em is just different, a blond guy with decent rap skills that stood out because of his color. It's like an upset...you didn't see it coming. Vanilla Ice was the shit back then, he had decent rap skills but nothing special and still got his fame.

Decent rap skills? The man has literally killed every beat he has been put on and out rapped one of the names in your list on his own track{Jay Z}. Comparing Eminem to Vanilla ICE should discredit your opinion on rap all together. ICE had one hit song with a beat that wasn't even his own. What a weak comparison.

If Nas was white, imagine, Illmatic went diamond status...If 2Pac was white, 7 Day Theory sold 28 Million copies Worldwide and went diamond in the US, All Eyez On Me went diamond in the US also, If Pac was white with the skills and attitude he had, Eminem would have looked like an elementary school white boy(which he already does compared to Pac).

If so and so was white and so and so was Black is all subjective and pointless. Eminem was underground for a long time and paved his way, he didn't get a free ride because of his color, in fact it cost him in some ways. INFINITE his best album was panned by critics because they claimed he hijacked NAS flow, which is bullshit. Em couldn't even get radio play on certain stations. For every benefit he had because of his skin color there is a disadvantage. It's always easy to make fun of the white boy in rap. I am glad there are some artists that can look past color, like Dre and Rakim and admit greatness.

I'm not hating, just speaking my honest opinion. If Em was Black, he would have still been ill, but not as famous and as successful. Being white and as troubled as Eminem, catches peoples attention, because they're use to black rappers telling their brutal life sotries. Eminem just happened to catch everyones attention and ride with that, his recent albums have been somewhat mediocre in quality. His first 3 albums can't be denied though.

Once again just speculation.

Redman has better albums, better flow, better voice, more ill, and is an mc's mc.

He has also been apart of group albums that were classic. He's sold records and has countless dope verses and guest appearances. There is only one Redman.

AZ has a couple of good albums I've heard but that's it. The Firm was not a good album.

My opinion.

better flow??

nah az has one of the best flow of all time
and i agree AZ better then eminem
just listen to the doe or die album
AZ killed that album
classic shit

first of all, to the guy that thinks I don't know who Eminem is...I know exactly who he is and what hes done. I know hes great.....


second of all....texan, AZ is a great rapper. Sales arn't everything.i wasn't trying to insult you man...i was just responding to your azz like that comment...if you claim az was better than em, that is fine with me...you're entitled to claim whatever you want...it's your right...(as if you needed me to tell you that..lol)

i was making a point about the video more, and i only responded to your azz like that comment, that's all...no problem here...

i was also making a point about his place in hip hop, because he gets overlooked a lot by black media and black fans, and he really does...i'm black, and i recognize real lyricists and em imo is top notch to the highest degree...he's polished his talent very well and you see the evolution in his voice, timing on records, flow, rhymescheme, and delivery throughout each album...he wasn't afraid to take that risk...many people in hip hop tend to get stuck on 1 album that was sick as shit, and expect that rapper to always spit like that...rappers have to show versatility and move on with the times, and eminem has done this better than anyone imo, but it's all subjective of course...

and you're absolutely right---sales aren't everything, but the reason i made that comment about sales, is because of the double standard people present when talking about eminem...which is why i put in the tupac comment, about people saying it's great when he sales like he did, because of his image, but when eminem does---sales aren't everything--and his color comes into play--that's not fair...he really gets the shaft on this forum, but not why i'm apart of it...he'll get his proper due---it's only right--he is apart of hip hop...so, for all of posters who commented on my last post, hopefully you'll get a better understanding of what i meant...with this post...

its all good man...thanks for ur responses.

i just wanted u to know that i'm an eminem fan too...

better flow??

nah az has one of the best flow of all time
and i agree AZ better then eminem
just listen to the doe or die album
AZ killed that album
classic shit

AZ's flow on Do or Die was great. But listening to his later stuff his flow has definitely dropped off.

Red is still on point with his gutter flow.

Oh and as far as Em I prefer him over AZ. I think Do or Die is as good as any Em CD and probably better. But Em lyrically is better to me. His flow and multi's are pretty hard to match. Plus throw in his witty lines.

The only thing people have on Em is the voice thing. Other than that he's a 9/10 MC.

Sugar Hill and Mo Money Mo Murder are my favorite songs off of Do Or Die.

^ have u heard Aziatic?