i did boxing when i was teen for 2 years.. now i am older (24) im thinking about getting back to training just basically getting fit and because i am a small bloke i want to be able to defend my self in tough situation.. y boxing..? because thats all i know and theres a boxing gym down the street where i live and it cost close to nothing.. but the thing is they train you so u can compete with other people in the competitions and thats not what i wana do i get my ass whoop since i re-starting again.. what do u guys think?

Course it is. You're training in fighting and gonna get hit round the head and to the body hard multiple times by people that actually know how to punch. Plus you'll know the body signs to look for when someones about to throw at you and the best way to dodge and return in kind. Also you'll be conditioned like a beast.

A punch from your average bloke on the street will be a cakewalk after doing a combat sport like boxing seriously for a length of time. I dont do boxing personally, i do kyokushin, but the principle is the same, being proficient at any form of combat is better than not doing one at all.

The most valuable thing about training in my opinion, in regards to a street fight, is your ability to control your nerves.


While most untrained people will tense up, and let their emotions control their actions...a trained person is more relaxed, and uses their head to control their actions.

As well as a trained individual's ability to do things almost instinctively. Once you do certain things enough, they almost become second nature.

i did boxing when i was teen for 2 years.. now i am older (24) im thinking about getting back to training just basically getting fit and because i am a small bloke i want to be able to defend my self in tough situation.. y boxing..? because thats all i know and theres a boxing gym down the street where i live and it cost close to nothing.. but the thing is they train you so u can compete with other people in the competitions and thats not what i wana do i get my ass whoop since i re-starting again.. what do u guys think?

if you dont want any amatuer fights just tell them, they will understand.

but yeah, boxing is very good for street fighting, more so than mma unless you are a great mma fighter. most fights are just punching which if not koed end up on ground, your nerves and punch accuracy, timing etc will be far superior.

lol.. best question i've read this week

any type of martial arts is usefull in a street fight but street fights are mental, its all in the head, ive seen my sober karate teacher friend get knocked out by a drunken guy who was more mentaly crazy than anything else

Yes 100%. Getting off first and knowing whats coming at you with being able to sense danger can end someones night real quick.

Hopefully someone dont get you from behind or suckers in a good blow with a weapon.

Boxing works as long as the person you are fighting doesn't know how to fight. And by that i mean, fighting in an educated way.

If you tried to fight with boxing against a guy who fights with every part of his body. You going to get your ass whooped. If you get into a street fight with a bjj artist, your going to get choked out. If you fight with boxing against a wrestler, guess what? Your ass is on the ground.

Im not speaking in reference to MMA. Im speaking in reference to second nature. A man or woman training their whole life to do a certain thing in a fight (wrestle, submit, punch, kick.) they are going to use it as a second nature.

Punching is 1 aspect only. If you faught a guy who trained to use their entire body in a fight(majority of martial arts). Your going to lose.

Good thing majority of people in the world dont know martial arts.

Yes, increased Handspeed, accuracy and power will of course be an advantage.

i did boxing when i was teen for 2 years.. now i am older (24) im thinking about getting back to training just basically getting fit and because i am a small bloke i want to be able to defend my self in tough situation.. y boxing..? because thats all i know and theres a boxing gym down the street where i live and it cost close to nothing.. but the thing is they train you so u can compete with other people in the competitions and thats not what i wana do i get my ass whoop since i re-starting again.. what do u guys think?

many places train for real competition. my club does. in fact, we ust had our annual tournament.

Boxing works as long as the person you are fighting doesn't know how to fight. And by that i mean, fighting in an educated way.

If you tried to fight with boxing against a guy who fights with every part of his body. You going to get your ass whooped. If you get into a street fight with a bjj artist, your going to get choked out. If you fight with boxing against a wrestler, guess what? Your ass is on the ground.

Im not speaking in reference to MMA. Im speaking in reference to second nature. A man or woman training their whole life to do a certain thing in a fight (wrestle, submit, punch, kick.) they are going to use it as a second nature.

Punching is 1 aspect only. If you faught a guy who trained to use their entire body in a fight(majority of martial arts). Your going to lose.

Good thing majority of people in the world dont know martial arts

flick, man, bjj is not quite a street type of fighting art. one of the gracies busted up their knee trying to take down someone on the concrete. now they dont fight. that is what i have read at least.

in street fight, u dont wanna be on the ground. even if u can choke out your opponent, it is still extremely dangerous to be immobile and focused on just one person in some cases.

oh yeah, flick, i sent u email of how my guys did in saturday's full contact fighting.


Anyways, if u train boxing, or actual martial arts that train for fighting, u can't lose unless you yourself are the problem. they are both good. it is that not all clubs and gyms have the same qualities, and not all people have the same qualities.

Boxing is the best way to control a street fight


Most street fights are fist fights and a boxer can KO a street person EASIER than anyone

Boxing is the best way to control a street fight


Most street fights are fist fights and a boxer can KO a street person EASIER than anyone

No way mate.

The only reason I dont do boxing and do kyokushin is because kyokushin is a far more practical tool for street fighting. 1) its full contact and 2) you dont wear pads or gloves. You use every available part of your body that can be used for striking from every concievable position, and also away from compeitive rules, we learn street fighting techniques which incorporate eye gouges, strangulation, groin kicks and joint strikes. You've got far more scope for ending a fight than using only your fists..

Boxing is a very effective tool for street fight but no way can it stop a fight easier than any other form of fighting.

I would of thought that muay thai would be a good one for on the street.

a well experienced muay thai fighter would probably knock out your average nightclub nobhead with a knee to the chin in a clinch.

No way mate.

The only reason I dont do boxing and do kyokushin is because kyokushin is a far more practical tool for street fighting. 1) its full contact and 2) you dont wear pads or gloves. You use every available part of your body that can be used for striking from every concievable position, and also away from compeitive rules, we learn street fighting techniques which incorporate eye gouges, strangulation, groin kicks and joint strikes. You've got far more scope for ending a fight than using only your fists..

Boxing is a very effective tool for street fight but no way can it stop a fight easier than any other form of fighting.

ok son, if you have effective boxing skills you WILL end a fight sooner rather than later. Practicing your punch for that long with gloves and then punching someones face bare knuckle will send em sleepin

I tried to post this last night but the internet went down from a thunderstorm:

if you dont want any amatuer fights just tell them, they will understand.

but yeah, boxing is very good for street fighting, more so than mma unless you are a great mma fighter. most fights are just punching which if not koed end up on ground, your nerves and punch accuracy, timing etc will be far superior.

Not true at all man, a fighter trained in wrestling and jujitsu is far superior to a fighter trained in boxing in a one-on-one street-fighting situation.

I grew up wrestling before getting into MMA and jujitsu, and eventually boxing in college. I boxed in the amateurs, and the boxing was great experience and very much applicable to a combat situation.

I have had a couple scraps, and the boxing does help a lot. In my experience, the most important things were learning how to react to punches coming at me, and learning how to take a shot to the chin. There was one time when I got into a scrap with at a party, the dude kinda just jumped on me when I wasn't expecting it and I was getting knocked around pretty good. I reverted to my wrestling experience, but the guy had some size on me so I could get him down initially, and he actually grabbed a headlock and started pummeling from there. I got my takedown eventually, and we got pulled apart pretty quick. I can tell you that the boxing was definitely paying dividends at that point, as I got hit a number of times and my face was all marked up the next day. But still, this dude wasn't done and he got in my face as soon as he had the chance, only this time I wasn't playing around and I hit him with a right to the chin that put his lights out.

At that point, his friend sucker punched me square in the chin from the side, but I tackled him and gave him a pummeling as well before I was pulled off.

Still I've gotta say that most fights go to the ground regardless, and a person who is effective at grappling is more often than not able to time his opponent's movements so as to take the fight to the ground if he so chooses. Once one obtains a dominant position on the ground, it's easy to incapacitate an opponent with a submission hold (obviously, chokes will put them to sleep). A person who is not trained in submission fighting is a sitting duck, and someone with rudimentary jujitsu skills can literally be made to look like a submissions expert in such a situation.

It can be quite effective as proven in this video from a news program:

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it can be but not always

Thing is most fights end up on the ground after 3 seconds, if the fight hasn't ended already. So, you can have all the boxing knowledge in the world but when/if you hit the ground and start the wrestling. Your screwed, because you can box from laying on your back.

Being well rounded(mma) is more effective than being a great puncher(boxing). Because as we seen with Zab Judah, even a boxing champion doesn't always KO someone on the street.

Thing is most fights end up on the ground after 3 seconds, if the fight hasn't ended already. So, you can have all the boxing knowledge in the world but when/if you hit the ground and start the wrestling. Your screwed, because you can box from laying on your back.

Being well rounded(mma) is more effective than being a great puncher(boxing). Because as we seen with Zab Judah, even a boxing champion doesn't always KO someone on the street.

Zab Judah would KO any average Joe on the street. Unless you saw something I didn't.

Zab Judah would KO any average Joe on the street. Unless you saw something I didn't.

There is a video of him street fighting over a crap game. Grabbed the guy and hit him full force 3 or so times. The dude was still awake and got away. Dude wasn't even a fit guy; fat, short, unhealthy.

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I didn't see Zab really hit him clean, Zab seemed to be minorly involved.

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I didn't see Zab really hit him clean, Zab seemed to be minorly involved.

Street fights aren't boxing matches, 90% of punches on the street aren't going to land clean. Zab was the one who stopped him, grabbed him by the shirt and swung on him. The dude wasn't KO'd and the dude got away with just a stretched t-shirt collar.

Boxing is good because it will make your punch helluva lot stronger. However, most fights end on the ground. Just saying. :dunno:

Thing is most fights end up on the ground after 3 seconds, if the fight hasn't ended already. So, you can have all the boxing knowledge in the world but when/if you hit the ground and start the wrestling. Your screwed, because you can box from laying on your back.

Being well rounded(mma) is more effective than being a great puncher(boxing). Because as we seen with Zab Judah, even a boxing champion doesn't always KO someone on the street.

hy flick, u know my crdentials. but no, most fights dont exactly end on the ground after 3 seconds. it really depends.

the information u know of i believe is from an old police survey - where there objective is to take down guys to handcuff them.

it is not indicitive of a street fight. u can see even in prison documentaries how it doesnt alwqays go to the ground.

i have never had a street fight go to the ground. i have always KO'd them first. even if that took 20 seconds.

There's only 3 things y'all gotta keep in mind in case the fight goes to the ground.

If you're on the offensive, the ideal three positions are a) the full-mount b) side-mount c) take your opponents back

Now, if you're the one on the defensive, you don't want your opponent to have any of those three positions on you.

Yes it can, I believe any form if fighting can be effective. It depends on how well you use it and your ability to control yourself. You can't always expect to just punch and move like your in a ring, a lot of fist fights end up going to the ground.

The most valuable thing about training in my opinion, in regards to a street fight, is your ability to control your nerves.


While most untrained people will tense up, and let their emotions control their actions...a trained person is more relaxed, and uses their head to control their actions.

As well as a trained individual's ability to do things almost instinctively. Once you do certain things enough, they almost become second nature.

Perfect post.

not to mention most untrained fighters will be tired as **** after about 30 seconds.. so even if u dont KO them the first 30 seconds you still got ur wind and strentgh even if u are on the ground to get up and KO them

There's only 3 things y'all gotta keep in mind in case the fight goes to the ground.

If you're on the offensive, the ideal three positions are a) the full-mount b) side-mount c) take your opponents back

Now, if you're the one on the defensive, you don't want your opponent to have any of those three positions on you.

Or you can be like a cat and always land on the top where you wanna be:boxing:

no head punches allowed in kyokushin when you sparr..only kicks..boxing makes you get used to punches when u sparr.

Hand strikes are a street fighting fundamental. Your particular style of boxing, whatever it is, may or may not be effective in the street.

i did boxing when i was teen for 2 years.. now i am older (24) im thinking about getting back to training just basically getting fit and because i am a small bloke i want to be able to defend my self in tough situation.. y boxing..? because thats all i know and theres a boxing gym down the street where i live and it cost close to nothing.. but the thing is they train you so u can compete with other people in the competitions and thats not what i wana do i get my ass whoop since i re-starting again.. what do u guys think?

most fighting styles are effective if you use them properly. like boxing isn't good in a grappling situation and jiu-jitsu isn't effective when you're standing up. but in a street fight, against someone who doesn't know how to fight, it is very effective.

most fighting styles are effective if you use them properly. like boxing isn't good in a grappling situation and jiu-jitsu isn't effective when you're standing up. but in a street fight, against someone who doesn't know how to fight, it is very effective.

That's not exactly true. Even if you are a pure grappler, you can still do submissions standing. You can also slam your opponent or throw him into a vulnerable position.

That's not exactly true. Even if you are a pure grappler, you can still do submissions standing. You can also slam your opponent or throw him into a vulnerable position.

well, I meant standing up and NOT grappling.

It can be quite effective as proven in this video from a news program:

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lol tht guy not boxer at all. that**** is Oikido or somethin

It can be quite effective as proven in this video from a news program:

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now this guy is boxer.. see the difference how he moves?

no head punches allowed in kyokushin when you sparr..only kicks..boxing makes you get used to punches when u sparr.

Theres no real difference between getting punched and kicked in the head, it all hurts the same. Punches to the face do happen fairly regularly (though not on purpose, it just happens). Also boxing allows you to defend behind gloves, which you wont have on the street, in kyokushin you dont have gloves so you adjust your guard accordingly to a more practical position when you have bare-knuckles.

I just prefer kyokushin for the fact it teaches you how to use every part of your body as a weapon, and has practical uses for getting out of grapples etc. Dont get me wrong I love boxing and a boxer against someone on the street will 99% come out on top.

well, I meant standing up and NOT grappling.

That may be what you meant, but your statement was wrong. Slipping a punch and sweeping your opponent up and dumping him on his head has the same effect as delivering a knock out punch so you can't equate a boxer fighting off his back with a grappler fighting on his feet. Plus there are standing submissions you have to consider as well, as I said.

Theres no real difference between getting punched and kicked in the head, it all hurts the same. Punches to the face do happen fairly regularly (though not on purpose, it just happens). Also boxing allows you to defend behind gloves, which you wont have on the street, in kyokushin you dont have gloves so you adjust your guard accordingly to a more practical position when you have bare-knuckles.

I just prefer kyokushin for the fact it teaches you how to use every part of your body as a weapon, and has practical uses for getting out of grapples etc. Dont get me wrong I love boxing and a boxer against someone on the street will 99% come out on top.


i think i know what kind of sparring u guys do. can i ask, do u guys hold your punches or actually hit with force.

in my chinese boxing group, our regular sparring is everything below the head. and we have these weak little chest protecters that were made in taiwan back in the 1960's - he brought them here when he moved from taiwan.

and of course we put on the headgear sometimes and go full into it.

so, guys, we retained the heavyweight belt this year, and had to stop a few fights because of headgear malfunction(the gear was litterally being ripped and cutting gashes into eyes and eyebrows.) i know my boys first opponent left in a stretcher. quite a few people went out the "back door" to the hospital.

who says chinese boxing doesnt work?

so, that was my update for u guys.

i think i know what kind of sparring u guys do. can i ask, do u guys hold your punches or actually hit with force.

in my chinese boxing group, our regular sparring is everything below the head. and we have these weak little chest protecters that were made in taiwan back in the 1960's - he brought them here when he moved from taiwan.

and of course we put on the headgear sometimes and go full into it.

so, guys, we retained the heavyweight belt this year, and had to stop a few fights because of headgear malfunction(the gear was litterally being ripped and cutting gashes into eyes and eyebrows.) i know my boys first opponent left in a stretcher. quite a few people went out the "back door" to the hospital.

who says chinese boxing doesnt work?

so, that was my update for u guys.

It depends, we dont go full force when you're sparring against beginners, but generally the higher you go in grades the more force you use. No punches to the head, but you can kick to the head to your hearts content.

My teacher is a 9th dan and trained at the honbu under Mas Oyama. He's pretty old school in his methods and tries to get sparring as realistic as it can get without getting on the wrong side of the law.

It depends, we dont go full force when you're sparring against beginners, but generally the higher you go in grades the more force you use. No punches to the head, but you can kick to the head to your hearts content.

My teacher is a 9th dan and trained at the honbu under Mas Oyama. He's pretty old school in his methods and tries to get sparring as realistic as it can get without getting on the wrong side of the law.

wow, he trained under mas? damn, he must be a damn fine teacher.

like u, my teacher is old school and trained under hung i-hsiang in the '60's and 70's and a bit in the 80's.

yeah, we do take it easy on the begginners too. however, i dont think my boys took it easy on me lol. but then again, i had experience. so it was more fun for them i imagine.

my first sparring session with my curent crew i remember well. it felt like no matter what move i did, my arms were tied down to my body and i was being punched and elbowed backwards rapidly. that was when i first truly felt how the feeling of our style generally keeps it - although different people have different methods.

now, i am one of the somewhat older guys, but i still consider myself just passed a beginner in the scheme of things. as, i have met some of the top fighters of our lineage(and of this century) and they throw even the biggest, most experienced guys around like a walk in the park.

i have read that mas oyama learned some of our more secretive chinese boxing methods, so, even though mas was a fricken bull of a fighter already, he just got to be scary good combining his hardness with more fluent softer methods. yeah, i know mas was a man not to be messed with. the same is said about my grand teacher.

and, im sure u got my "bull" joke.

much respect man. i have a mas oyama book. excellent stuff. best karate stuff i have ever seen.

wow, he trained under mas? damn, he must be a damn fine teacher.

like u, my teacher is old school and trained under hung i-hsiang in the '60's and 70's and a bit in the 80's.

yeah, we do take it easy on the begginners too. however, i dont think my boys took it easy on me lol. but then again, i had experience. so it was more fun for them i imagine.

my first sparring session with my curent crew i remember well. it felt like no matter what move i did, my arms were tied down to my body and i was being punched and elbowed backwards rapidly. that was when i first truly felt how the feeling of our style generally keeps it - although different people have different methods.

now, i am one of the somewhat older guys, but i still consider myself just passed a beginner in the scheme of things. as, i have met some of the top fighters of our lineage(and of this century) and they throw even the biggest, most experienced guys around like a walk in the park.

i have read that mas oyama learned some of our more secretive chinese boxing methods, so, even though mas was a fricken bull of a fighter already, he just got to be scary good combining his hardness with more fluent softer methods. yeah, i know mas was a man not to be messed with. the same is said about my grand teacher.

and, im sure u got my "bull" joke.

much respect man. i have a mas oyama book. excellent stuff. best karate stuff i have ever seen.

Cheers mate, this is my teacher http://www.uskyokushin.com/hanshi.htm and this is where I train http://www.freewebs.com/wimbledonkyokushinkai/index.htm . I come across as a bit of a kyokushin fanboy but its hard not to be when you train under someone with as much experience as him.

I read about hung i-hsiang, he's incredible and it speaks for itself the fact that his students would dominate most tournaments by KO. I'm sure you're the same as me when you train under a teacher so experienced even though you know you'll never get anywhere near their level its inspires you to become as good as you can possibly be at your chosen style. Much respect to you aswell, I can see from a lot of your posts that its your passion!

I know what you mean about the first time you train, it seemed the moment I even moved my body a fraction i would be rocked back continuously, and no matter how fast i was everyone else was always moving at twice the speed I could reach and with double the power, and these were lower- middle grades! I am a beginner for all intents and purposes I'm 1st green belt (4th kyu) and i realise that whilst I am competent fighter, I am nowhere near the level of the higher grades because I get consistently humbled and it seems just when i think I'm starting to figure them out, they crank it up a gear and I'm back to square one.

lol at the bull, and hanshi can verify it, tbh the mind boggles because i wouldnt ever want to be in a confined space with a bull, let alone fight it with my bare hands, I cant imagine how confident in your own ability you would have to be to doing something like that.

To be honest if I know someone's boxing is better than mine I'm just going to drag him to the ground. It doesn't take long to figure out who is better standing and it is even quicker to figure out who is better on the ground once the fight gets there.

I always put it this way when friends ask these kind of questions: It's very hard for most people, even highschool wrestlers to avoid being taken down in a street fight. It's so easy to drag someone down and it is so hard for them to get back up. Much harder than them throwing a lucky punch and breaking your nose or something.

The most valuable thing about training in my opinion, in regards to a street fight, is your ability to control your nerves.


While most untrained people will tense up, and let their emotions control their actions...a trained person is more relaxed, and uses their head to control their actions.

As well as a trained individual's ability to do things almost instinctively. Once you do certain things enough, they almost become second nature.

this is absolutely true..

I don't want to come across as cheeky, but these type of questions are silly. Of course knowing how to punch will help you in a fight. The punches, the timing, and the ability to know what distance to throw the punches at will be enough to beat a lot of people.

One on one, and in the right sort of conditions, a grappler will have the upper hand if he gets the chance. It's very dangerous to be on the ground in certain situations though.

Why do some people talk about fighting as though it's almost mythical? Fighting is fighting. Most of these so-called tough people I've encountered haven't even trained in boxing or martial arts. They just know how to handle themselves. Most of them are just big and strong and win fights because they're the bigger, stronger guy.

That's why boxers generally beat the crap out of people in a fight. The village toughguy usually wins by overpowering people, but this time he picked someone who can slip punches, use lateral movement, and throw fast, sharp punches. A lot of trained fighters are obviously deadly, but boxing is practical, so there will be more success with it in that situation compared to some other arts.

It all boils down to correct technique, regardless of style. If there's no technique there you'll have to be much bigger and stronger than the other guy to win. Technique and the ability to function under stress.