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nance
09-20-2004, 05:02 PM
Hubby is thinking of taking BJJ. He's looking for a local place that offers morning classes since he works the swing shift.

What does everyone here think of BJJ?

Fallout
09-20-2004, 05:04 PM
Hubby is thinking of taking BJJ. He's looking for a local place that offers morning classes since he works the swing shift.

What does everyone here think of BJJ?

It great. It will also mesh well with his krav manga.

DOGGx0
09-20-2004, 05:48 PM
BJJ owns your soul

HockeyFighter
09-20-2004, 06:02 PM
I have the flu and I still went this morning. That speaks of how much it owns.

Fallout
09-20-2004, 06:14 PM
I have the flu and I still went this morning. That speaks of how much it owns.

I can't wait until I get the ****s and have someone in my guard. Now THAT would own.

Prince
09-20-2004, 06:31 PM
yea it owns but i ****ing hate it

nance
09-20-2004, 08:12 PM
He's not been doing the Krav Maga, but he still knows it. He switched to a different shift in the spring and hasn't gone in months. TKD or KM. I want him back into something...he's driving me a little bonkers here...lol. He's happier doing some sort of exercise, so he's checking around. He's also trying to find a place for me to get back into kickboxing but we're not sure I'll be able to because of my foot.

VulgarTheClown
09-20-2004, 11:31 PM
BJJ = floor DOMINANCE

Fallout
09-20-2004, 11:42 PM
BJJ = floor DOMINANCE

No, wreslting=floor dominance

Prince
09-21-2004, 02:31 AM
i'll be a floor dominator soon

HockeyFighter
09-21-2004, 08:57 AM
I'm got dominated by elbows in bjj yesterday. Black eye and swollen nose rules.

You might be asking yourself why I was getting elbowed in bjj........your guess is as good as mine.

DOGGx0
09-21-2004, 11:49 AM
No, wreslting=floor dominance
NO. BJJ owns wrestling. Therefore, BJJ = Floor Dominance

**** son, you just made me think of a new thread. Niiiiiice.
http://www.globalmma.com/forums/showthread.php?p=363190#post363190

GeNeRaL
09-21-2004, 12:01 PM
NO. BJJ owns wrestling. Therefore, BJJ = Floor Dominance

**** son, you just made me think of a new thread. Niiiiiice.

Here, this settles it...
BJJ and Wrestling both = floor dominance, Thus the integrated grappling systems i take = floor dominance.

An integrated grappling (wrestling range, the 4th range in Jeet Kune Do) system that consists of sensitivity in flowing with positioning, escapes, take-downs, throws, lockups and ground fighting from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Filipino Kun Tao, Filipino Dumog, Russian Sombo and Shoot wrestling (Shooto).

DOGGx0
09-21-2004, 12:03 PM
Here, this settles it...
BJJ and Wrestling both = floor dominance, Thus the integrated grappling systems i take = floor dominance.

An integrated grappling (wrestling range, the 4th range in Jeet Kune Do) system that consists of sensitivity in flowing with positioning, escapes, take-downs, throws, lockups and ground fighting from Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Filipino Kun Tao, Filipino Dumog, Russian Sombo and Shoot wrestling (Shooto).
Well here, Mighty King ****, post that in here......

http://www.globalmma.com/forums/showthread.php?p=363190#post363190



Lets keep OT, OT. :)

GeNeRaL
09-21-2004, 12:08 PM
Mighty King ****

you sure you want all your boys on here to know what you call my junk?

Stain
09-22-2004, 11:10 AM
BJJ is awesome. He'll most likely love it, MCM.

DOGGx0
09-22-2004, 12:32 PM
you sure you want all your boys on here to know what you call my junk?
:- !

Carlao
09-22-2004, 03:32 PM
Madcrewmom-

I wrestle or did Judo and I stopped for a long time. I got into all sorts of trouble and then I found BJJ.

It trully changed my life in a positive way, it made me humble and selfassured. With tons of knowledge about an art that can be so usefull.

BTW, guys I've wrestle and I do BJJ. BJJ owns wrestling.

realkaps
09-22-2004, 04:21 PM
Wrestling is a big part of BJJ....

DOGGx0
09-22-2004, 04:46 PM
Wrestling is a big part of BJJ....
I personally think BJJ has the alot of technique that is identicle to Wrestling. I, personally have never done wrestling, you throw a wrestler in a BJJ class with me and hes getting ****ed up. You can't sit here and say that BJJ is a spin off from wrestling, because its an art of its own. Thats like saying Judo is a spin off of Karate. Sure wrestling techniques are incorporated in BJJ, but its completely an art of its own.

realkaps
09-22-2004, 04:53 PM
Actually BJJ is a spin off of japanese Jiu Jitsu. The Gracies changed and molded it into what it is today by incorportating Judo, Wrestling, and Sambo. Its all in this book....

http://www.gracieacademy.com/store/images/graciewaybook.jpg

nance
09-22-2004, 05:27 PM
Hmm....that book might make a good anniversary gift. I only have 6 weeks to find the right gift....hehe.

DOGGx0
09-22-2004, 06:10 PM
Actually BJJ is a spin off of japanese Jiu Jitsu. The Gracies changed and molded it into what it is today by incorportating Judo, Wrestling, and Sambo. Its all in this book....



its still its own ****ing sport, you douche. and since you just pointed out that those skills combined are Jiu-Jitsu, then you just proved my point, Jiu-Jitsu owns them all, esspecially being that Jiu-Jitsu is all of those arts in one.

B()()M.

realkaps
09-22-2004, 06:23 PM
Wrestling is the oldest sport on the planet. All Martial Arts that have to do with Grappling/ground fighting use wrestling. Deal with it....

realkaps
09-22-2004, 06:27 PM
Besides, wrestlers who learn submissions own BJJ guys all ****in day. Look at all these wrestlers who learned subs later on.
Sakuraba, Ricco, Hallman, Terrell, Vasquez, Uno, Sudo, the list goes on.....

nance
09-22-2004, 06:54 PM
I prefer wrasslin' myself. hehehe

DOGGx0
09-22-2004, 07:21 PM
Wrestling is the oldest sport on the planet. All Martial Arts that have to do with Grappling/ground fighting use wrestling. Deal with it....

You're not getting my point. Obviously. It is its own sport, ****face. To say that wrestling dominates all ground/grappling fighting is the most idiodic thing I've ever heard. Sure it makes it a dominant factor in ground fighting, however its not the most dominant, because wrestling is in a class of its own, otherwise Jiu-Jitsu would'nt be called Jiu-Jitsu but would be called wrestling, same with Grappling. If there are other skills that "incorporate" wrestling, but has MORE ****ing skill that just a plain wrestling practitioner, then it would MAKE those skills more dominant. Its ok, you're wrong, just give up and stop pointing out something that makes no sense, but rather helping me prove my point.


Besides, wrestlers who learn submissions own BJJ guys all ****in day. Look at all these wrestlers who learned subs later on.
Sakuraba, Ricco, Hallman, Terrell, Vasquez, Uno, Sudo, the list goes on.....

To continue our conversation from earlier...

DJkapsul: Sakuraba, Ricco, Hallman, Terrel, Vasquez, Uno, Sudo
DJkapsul: all wrestlers
DJkapsul: learned subs later
DJkapsul: pwn bjj guys all day every day
DOGGx0: NO.
DOGGx0: doesnt mean **** son
DOGGx0: why are they THAT much better?
DOGGx0: because of BJJ
DOGGx0: recognize
DJkapsul: they are that much better because of wrestling. If they hadnt had the wrestling before, they'd just be the gracies
DJkapsul signed off at 3:33:27 PM.


1, not one of those fighters that you listed is a Gracie, so wtf is this "if they hadnt had the wrestling before, they'd just be the Gracies"?
2, another thing, every single one of those guys have been owned by a Jiu-Jitsu fighter at one time or another, just because they are better than most, does'nt mean that because they had the wrestling backround, they are the best because of it or that because of that it should warrant wretling being a more dominant sport than Jiu-Jitsu or any other type of Grappling/Submission art.

Example: Bj Penn vs Matt Hughes.


Now sir, you may go ahead and recollect your thoughts. OuT.

Deacon Frost
09-22-2004, 11:43 PM
Not getting into the pissing match on which style is better but BJJ is awesome.
I train in BJJ, Wrestling & Vale Tudo and it owns me. I am littered with injuries but unless I need surgery or something breaks I will never stop training.

seldomTap
09-23-2004, 02:09 AM
chow li fut pwns all your asses

Carlao
09-23-2004, 06:37 PM
Here is the deal.

I used to be a judoka, then wrestler, then BJJ'er.

BJJ is more complete than wrestling. Ok; the wrestler can take the BJJ down, then what?

If you give me a good wrestler and a brown belt, I out my $$$ on the BJJ guy.

Why Matt Lindland, perhaps the highest decorated wrestler in our sport, did not place at the ADCC? Why there is not one single wrestler winning the ADCC or any other top level grappling tournament?

Once a wrestler trains submisisions (DAVE TERRELL, CAOL UNO, GENKI SUDO, MATT HUGHES, KURT PELLEGRINO, JEFF MONSON) they are no longer wrestlers, the become SUBMISSION WRESTLERS!

Fallout
09-23-2004, 06:45 PM
They are also not BJJers ethier. And thier base is still wrestling.

HockeyFighter
09-23-2004, 07:15 PM
But without BJJ they would be nothing.

realkaps
09-23-2004, 09:56 PM
Here is the deal.

I used to be a judoka, then wrestler, then BJJ'er.

BJJ is more complete than wrestling. Ok; the wrestler can take the BJJ down, then what?

If you give me a good wrestler and a brown belt, I out my $$$ on the BJJ guy.

Why Matt Lindland, perhaps the highest decorated wrestler in our sport, did not place at the ADCC? Why there is not one single wrestler winning the ADCC or any other top level grappling tournament?

Once a wrestler trains submisisions (DAVE TERRELL, CAOL UNO, GENKI SUDO, MATT HUGHES, KURT PELLEGRINO, JEFF MONSON) they are no longer wrestlers, the become SUBMISSION WRESTLERS!

That is what I am trying to say, Wrestling is the best base for submission fighting. I know that pure BJJ vs. pure wrestling = BJJ ownage. Just watch Inoue vs. Alger. The point I was trying to get across was that when wrestlers learn submission they rule ass all over pure Bjj guys.....

Deacon Frost
09-23-2004, 10:28 PM
That is what I am trying to say, Wrestling is the best base for submission fighting. I know that pure BJJ vs. pure wrestling = BJJ ownage. Just watch Inoue vs. Alger. The point I was trying to get across was that when wrestlers learn submission they rule ass all over pure Bjj guys.....

This is just ignorant.

HockeyFighter
09-23-2004, 10:51 PM
That is what I am trying to say, Wrestling is the best base for submission fighting. I know that pure BJJ vs. pure wrestling = BJJ ownage. Just watch Inoue vs. Alger. The point I was trying to get across was that when wrestlers learn submission they rule ass all over pure Bjj guys.....

For people that don't understand what he is saying is that a person that cross trains will beat someone who doesn't.

However a BJJ player that trains in wrestling isn't gonna be at a disadvantage to a wrestler that trains in BJJ.

DOGGx0
09-24-2004, 01:39 PM
That is what I am trying to say, Wrestling is the best base for submission fighting. I know that pure BJJ vs. pure wrestling = BJJ ownage. Just watch Inoue vs. Alger. The point I was trying to get across was that when wrestlers learn submission they rule ass all over pure Bjj guys.....

dude, **** what YOU'RE trying to say. that was'nt the ****ing point to begin with. you just went off on something else, in which, yes, i do agree with you on, HOWEVER..... the ****ing question was, WHAT IS MORE ****ING DOMINANT, even you said.... BJJ. Case closed. Done. ****ing die.

nance
09-24-2004, 02:31 PM
Ok, ok guys. I just wanted to know a simple thing....no need to fight over my question. He's going to look into it after an outage at the plant where he works. He isn't going to have time for BJJ or anything else for the next 5 weeks......not even time for me... :-(

DOGGx0
09-24-2004, 04:10 PM
Ok, ok guys. I just wanted to know a simple thing....no need to fight over my question. He's going to look into it after an outage at the plant where he works. He isn't going to have time for BJJ or anything else for the next 5 weeks......not even time for me... :-(
you = the owned

nance
09-24-2004, 04:44 PM
you = the owned

ha. ha.

I hate outages. At least the paychecks are nice.