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Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:21 PM

I use to say Tupac Amaru Shakur was. Why? Because I would say that 2-Pac did ever style great, lyrics, combined with his great flow touched alot of people.

But I have now changed my mind. Nas also did every style good to great, Nas had some good clubs songs.

I can't say that 2-Pac is the greatest just because of his great flow and extreme popularity. Lets be honest, flow is a great thing, but its not everything. And as far as his popularity, alot of that was because of his music, but him dying made him larger than life. If 2-Pac wasn't killed, he wouldn't be as big of a legend as he is. Would he be a big legend? Absolutley, but dying made him an icon.

Nas is a better lyricist, Nas has also touched people. EX: I know I can, The World is yours and black girl lost. Nas also has a great flow, not as great as 2-Pacs. But a great one. Nas is arguably a better story teller, Nas is more creative. Nas arguably made the greatest rap album of all time, 2-Pac doesn't have one top 5 album of all time. People say 2-Pac had a big impact, he did, because he died and was great. Don't get me wrong, he would have been a great great legend, without dying. His music is incredible, and I'd rate him #2 all time. Thats a huge compliment.

Nas is still going strong, Untitled was a near classic to classic. 2-Pac's after death albums have been good to very good at best. Thats not his fault, but its worth pointing out that Nas is still going as an argument for why he is better. That is not to be meant as disrespect toward to 2-pac, but its just being honest.

Who has a discography as good as Nas? Nobody.

Illmatic-Classic
It was written- Classic
Stillmatic-Classic
Untitled-Classic
Gods Son- near classic
Street disciple- 4/5

Nas is untouchable. Rakim is a pioneer and one of the best ever(top 3). But how could Rakim be the greatest? his discography doesn't match nas's discography.

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THE GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:25 PM

I love 2-Pac, no homo. I just don't want people to take what I'm saying the wrong way.

My greastest list is

Nas
2-Pac
Rakim
KRS-One
Jay-Z

VERSATILE2K10

05-28-2009, 09:27 PM

Nas is 6/10. Dude just doesn't do it. He desperately needs a style change up. No more 80's or 90's anymore.

The Fix

05-28-2009, 09:28 PM

i think i might have to agree with you...

nasir is the greatest rapper to ever lift a mic.

nasir
rakim
kane
chuck d
krs
giancanna
gza
face

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:28 PM

thanks fix^

The Fix

05-28-2009, 09:30 PM

thanks fix^

not a problem, nas put his work in.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:33 PM

Fix, you do realize that the hardcore 2-Pac enthusiastists are going to kill me?

Lights Out JT

05-28-2009, 09:35 PM

Nas 50, 2pac 37
http://forums.projectcovo.com/showthread.php?t=1899721&page=8

Tupac 26, Nas 14
http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=1248762&page=4

Looks like you can make the argument either way at this point, but im ready to say that I think they are the two best rappers ever. And im leaning very slighty towards Nas being the goat

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:37 PM

I'm listening to untitled right now....

for all those who havnt killed me, thank you...lol

Lights Out JT

05-28-2009, 09:41 PM

I'm listening to untitled right now....

for all those who havnt killed me, thank you...lol

I've been listening to untitled the past couple of days...its a great cd, the only thing that bothers me at times is his beat selection. The song breathe is real dope, good summertime song.

Truth, you can add a nas vs pac poll fam?

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:41 PM

has pac ever made a song as creative as rewind or i gave you power?

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Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:43 PM

I've been listening to untitled the past couple of days...its a great cd, the only thing that bothers me at times is his beat selection. The song breathe is real dope, good summertime song.

Truth, you can add a nas vs pac poll fam?

yeah i think some beats on untitled arnt perfect, but overall its near classic-classic nas.

I dont think I can, now that the thread is already made.

u can make a nas or pac poll thread if you want....

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 09:45 PM

My bad, I figured out how to add a poll....thanks

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:06 PM

Beasty

05-28-2009, 10:10 PM

2 Pac hands down, Actually Nas is not even top 3..

If you are talking about lyracist. I would take Biggie and Big L over him anyday..

If you are talking about legacy. He is behind

1. 2Pac
2. Biggie
3. Jay z

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:12 PM

I'm talking more the technical part of rap.

lyrics, flow, discographys, creativity etc.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:13 PM

and thanks to the guy that gave me 1 star. thanks bruh

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:18 PM

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:20 PM

I know 2-Pac is great, clips.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:24 PM

Tupac Discography
U.S. Releases:

2pacalypse Now
Released November 12, 1991 Trapped
Soulja's Story
I Don't Give A F-ck
Violent
Words Of Wisdom
Something Wicked
Crooked Ass *****
If My Homie Calls
Brenda's Got A Baby
Tha' Lunatic
Rebel Of The Underground
Part Time Mutha

Strictly for My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
Released February 1, 1993 Holla If Ya Hear Me
Pac's Theme (Interlude)
Point The Finga
Something 2 Die 4 (Interlude)
Last Wordz
Souljah's Revenge
Peep Game
Strugglin'
Guess Who's Back
Representin' 93
Keep Ya Head Up
Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
The Streetz R Deathrow
I Get Around
Papa'z Song
5 Deadly Venomz

Me Against the World
Released February 27, 1995 Intro
If I Die 2Nite
Me Against The World
So Many Tears
Temptations
Young *****z
Heavy In The Game
Lord Knows
Dear Mama
It Ain't Easy
Can U Get Away
Old School
F-ck The World
Death Around The Corner
Outlaw

All Eyez On Me
Released February 13, 1996 Book One
Ambitionz Az A Ridah
All Bout U
Skandalouz
Got My Mind Made Up
How Do U Want It
2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted
No More Pain
Heartz Of Men
Life Goes On
Only God Can Judge Me
Tradin War Stories
California Love (remix)
I Ain't Mad At Cha
What'z Ya Phone #

Book Two
Can't C Me
Shorty Wanna Be A Thug
Holla At Me
Wonda Why They Call U Bytch
When We Ride
Thug Passion
Picture Me Rollin'
Check Out Time
Ratha Be Ya *****
All Eyez On Me
Run Tha Streetz
Ain't Hard 2 Find
Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find

Makaveli
Don Killuminati
The 7 Day Theory
Released Novenber 5, 1996
Intro- Bomb First (My Second Reply)
Hail Mary
Toss It Up
To Live & Die In L.A.
Blasphemy
Life Of An Outlaw
Just Like Daddy
Krazy
White Man'z World
Me and My Girlfriend
Hold Ya Head
Against All Odds

R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
Released December 16 1997

Released in two versions:
[Edited Version]
[EXPLICIT LYRICS]

Disc One
Redemption
Open Fire
R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
Hellrazor
Thug Style
Where Do We Go From Here (interlude)
I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto
Nothing To Lose
I'm Gettin' Money
Life To Kick It
**** All Y'all
Let Them Thangs Go
Definition Of A Thug *****

Disc Two
Ready 4 Whatever
When I Get Free
Hold On Be Strong
I'm Losin It
Fake Ass Bitches
Do For Love
Enemies With Me
Nothin But Love
16 On Death Row
I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto (hip-hop version)
When I Get Free II
Black Starry Night (interlude)
Only Fear Of Death

Greatest Hits [Edited Version]
Greatest Hits [EXPLICIT LYRICS]
Released November 24, 1998 Disc 1
Keep Ya Head Up
2 Of Amerikaz Most Wanted
Temptations
God Bless The Dead
Hail Mary
Me Against The World
How Do U Want It
So Many Tears
Unconditional Love
Trapped
Life Goes On
Hit 'em Up

Disc 2
Troublesome 96'
Brenda's Got A Baby
I Ain't Mad At Cha
I Get Around
Changes
California Love (Original Version)
Picture Me Rollin'
How Long Will They Mourn Me
Toss It Up
Dear Mama
All About U
To Live & Die In L.A.
Heartz Of Men

Still I Rise
Released December 21, 1999 Letter to the President
Still I Rise
Secretz of War
Baby Don't Cry (Keep Ya Head Up II)
As the World Turns
Black Jesuz
Homeboyz
Hell 4 a Hustler
High Speed
The Good Die Young
Killuminati
Tear Drops and Closed Caskets
Tattoo Tears
U Can Be Touched
Y'all Don't Know Us

Other Albums:

Thug Life Volume 1
Released September 26, 1994 Bury Me A G
Don't Get It Twisted
Shit Don't Stop
Pour Out A Little Liquor
Stay True
How Long will they Mourn Me
Under Pressure
Street Fame
Cradle To The Grave
Str8 Ballin'

In His Own Words [EXPLICIT LYRICS]
Released 1998
The Pac And Biggie You Never Heard [EXPLICIT LYRICS]
Released 1998

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Compilation Albums Tupac Is Featured On:
Cell Block Compilation II: Face Off
Tupac, et al / Audio CD / Released 1998
Death Row Records Inside Out
Tupac, et al / Audio CD / Released 1998

Hip Hop's Most Wanted
Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac / Audio CD / Released 1996

Kool DJ Red Alert Presents...

Tupac, et al / Audio CD / Released 1996
Oakland Soul
Hollister, et al / Audio CD / Released 1997

Stop The Gunfight [Edited Version]
Trapp, et al / Audio CD / Released 1997
Suge Knight Represents-Chronic
Dr. Dre, et al / Audio CD / Released 2000

Suge Knight Represents-Chronic [EXPLICIT LYRICS]
Dr. Dre, et al / Audio CD / Released 2000

Unforgiven
Tupac, et al / Audio CD / Released 1998

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U.S. Released Singles:

How Do U Want It [Maxi Single] [CD-SINGLE] [EXPLICIT LYRICS]
2Pac / Audio CD / Released 1996

Runnin' [CD-SINGLE]
2Pac & Notorious B.I.G. / Audio CD / Released 1998

Ain't nobody fukkin w/ Pac on body of work that's for sure.

1. Pac
2.Biggie
3. Jay
4. Scarface/Nas it depends on what part of the land you're from
5.Eminem

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:25 PM

Nas has done alot too....^

Yes, 2-pac is great. thats why I said he was, and rated him #2 all time. Which is a great compliment.

Beasty

05-28-2009, 10:26 PM

I'm talking more the technical part of rap.

lyrics, flow, discographys, creativity etc.

lyrics-- Nas was better at punch lines etc. But he could not paint a story like PAC.

Flow - IMO pac.

Creativity - Nas, Tupac was not creative IMO he just told the truth.

Lights Out JT

05-28-2009, 10:27 PM

i like your sig truth :yes:

And i c/s everything you said

Beasty

05-28-2009, 10:28 PM

The_Executioner

05-28-2009, 10:29 PM

Resume wise I think Nas is the GOAT but you could argue Jay is. People consider the Black Album, Reasonable Doubt as classics. One of my friends thinks American Gangster was borderline classic along wit another Jay album from the late 90's(think Hard Knock Life).

Nas is deff my fav. Pac's lyrics aren't as creative and witty as Nas. Pac could make any kind of record tho. Hard shit and it'd sell. Poppish shit and it wud sell.

2Pac is and will always have a greater impact(mainly cuz stupid ni99as don't like rappers spittin knowledge like Nasir does) than Nas, but P4P Nas is better.

Nas has better albums than Rakim too. And Biggie had one classic. And one very good album. 2 albums doesn't make you GOAT.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:30 PM

Nas has done alot too....^

Yes, 2-pac is great. thats why I said he was, and rated him #2 all time. Which is a great compliment.Oh I know man but as far as straight up hits I think Pac got him beat. I mean shit he was doing in 93 jamz still to this day 16 yrs later, he was way ahead of his time and I could only imagine if he was still alive how his flow would have evolved.

Lights Out JT

05-28-2009, 10:31 PM

two clips...i can do the same thing, i can post Nas' discography...i have no problem with you or anyone sayin pac is the goat, thats a very respectable choice but i think nas is slightly better

lyrics-- Nas was better at punch lines etc. But he could not paint a story like PAC.

Flow - IMO pac.

Creativity - Nas, Tupac was not creative IMO he just told the truth.

:laugh:

The_Executioner

05-28-2009, 10:31 PM

Based on resume
1. Nas
2. Pac
3. Jay
4. BIG
5. Rakim probably but I haven't heard enuff of him. His albums never wud sell from wat I remember

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:32 PM

Oh I know man but as far as straight up hits I think Pac got him beat. I mean shit he was doing in 93 jamz still to this day 16 yrs later, he was way ahead of his time and I could only imagine if he was still alive how his flow would have evolved.

Oh I respect your opinion without question. And I have the highest respect for 2-pac and his music.

Beasty

05-28-2009, 10:33 PM

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:33 PM

Lol, I think wayne put out more mixtapes in the last 2 years than everything you just posted.I bet he has but we are talking about Pac, Wayne doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Pac.:afro:

yeykax

05-28-2009, 10:37 PM

Nas is the shit hands down that man is super creative who does a song backwards an it comes out hot???????And his stories are super crazy hands down Nas is THE MAN!!!!!!!

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:37 PM

two clips...i can do the same thing, i can post Nas' discography...i have no problem with you or anyone sayin pac is the goat, thats a very respectable choice but i think nas is slightly better

:laugh:It's all good homie, Nas is also a respectable choice I just think that on the east coast Jay has the better flow IMO.:afro:

VERSATILE2K10

05-28-2009, 10:40 PM

Hey, Truth? Where is the none category on the voting.Haha. Gotta be fair.:luvbed: I like Pac better but he's not the greatest to me.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:41 PM

It's all good homie, Nas is also a respectable choice I just think that on the east coast Jay has the better flow IMO.:afro:

I agree. But having the better flow doesn't make u the better rapper. ya know?

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:42 PM

Hey, Truth? Where is the none category on the voting.Haha. Gotta be fair.:luvbed: I like Pac better but he's not the greatest to me.

can i edit the poll,

if so, i'll add a none. lol

Beasty

05-28-2009, 10:44 PM

I bet he has but we are talking about Pac, Wayne doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Pac.:afro:

Yeah, yeah i know..

Nas is not the best outta new york

Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Busta Rhymes
Eric b
Fabolous
Ghostface Killah
Immortal Technique
Jadakiss
Jay-Z
KRS-One
MC Lyte
Mos Def
Nas
Notorious B.I.G.
Papoose
Public Enemy
Rakim
Run D.M.C.
Slick Rick
Styles P
Talib Kweli
Wu-Tang Clan

Alot of these rappers are better lyracist than NAS if we are talking about like a battle rap but i dont think NAS is top 3!

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:46 PM

Hey, Truth? Where is the none category on the voting.Haha. Gotta be fair.:luvbed: I like Pac better but he's not the greatest to me.Who you got Verse?

I agree. But having the better flow doesn't make u the better rapper. ya know?I feel ya bro, I just like the gangsta shit better than the message type of rap.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:47 PM

Who you got Verse?

I feel ya bro, I just like the gangsta shit better than the message type of rap.

me too. Jay-Z is my favorite rapper of all time.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:49 PM

Yeah, yeah i know..

Nas is not the best outta new york

Big Daddy Kane
Big L
Busta Rhymes
Eric b
Fabolous
Ghostface Killah
Immortal Technique
Jadakiss
Jay-Z
KRS-One
MC Lyte
Mos Def
Nas
Notorious B.I.G.
Papoose
Public Enemy
Rakim
Run D.M.C.
Slick Rick
Styles P
Talib Kweli
Wu-Tang Clan

Alot of these rappers are better lyracist than NAS if we are talking about like a battle rap but i dont think NAS is top 3!Alot of heat on that list.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:51 PM

I'm suprised that Em hasn't made anyone's top 5 list.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 10:53 PM

two clips, whats ur top 5?

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 10:57 PM

1. Pac
2. Jay Z
3. Em/Scarface (I can't make up my mind on this one.)
4. TI

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 11:00 PM

cool^

wow u have TI high. I like Tip tho...

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 11:04 PM

cool^

wow u have TI high. I like Tip tho...Well between Em and Scarface one would fall to 4th position putting Tip in 5th place on my list.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 11:05 PM

It's kind of hard to make a top 5 because I know Biggie falls somewhere on the list. And we can't forget Luda.

VERSATILE2K10

05-28-2009, 11:13 PM

can i edit the poll,

if so, i'll add a none. lol

Naw you can't it's cool.Haha. You're the Hip Hop forum king.

neils7147933

05-28-2009, 11:18 PM

Pac, Biggie, LL, Eminem, Jay-Z

Nas, Ice Cube, Chuck D on the outside looking in

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 11:20 PM

how? Illmatic, It was written, I am, Nostradamous, Stillmatic, Lost tapes, Gods son, hip hop is dead, streets disciple, untitled.....^

Beasty

05-28-2009, 11:22 PM

t.i. top 5??

Your list is top 5 fac rappers or best of all time.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 11:33 PM

t.i. top 5??

Your list is top 5 fac rappers or best of all time.The list is my favorite of all time. Let me guess your favorite of all time.

1. Pac
2. Nas
3. New York rapper
4. New York Rapper
5. New York Rapper

GodzHand

05-28-2009, 11:34 PM

I'm talking more the technical part of rap.

lyrics, flow, discographys, creativity etc.

You mean Skillful. Who gives a **** who sold more records. It's called Rap, not Rap Sales. Skillwise, Nas is ahead of everyone, aside from Rakim. They are both on a level of their own.

Two Clips

05-28-2009, 11:38 PM

You mean Skillful. Who gives a **** who sold more records. It's called Rap, not Rap Sales. Skillwise, Nas is ahead of everyone, aside from Rakim. They are both on a level of their own.So where do you rank Em? He's about as skillfull as they come.

Mr. Mef

05-28-2009, 11:42 PM

You mean Skillful. Who gives a **** who sold more records. It's called Rap, not Rap Sales. Skillwise, Nas is ahead of everyone, aside from Rakim. They are both on a level of their own.

i agree......and like joe budden said, "numbers always lie."

well not always but most of the time...

F l i c k e r

05-28-2009, 11:50 PM

Nas is easily the best rapper alive.

I dont see how people got 2pac up there but not BIG. Shit is absurd. :thinking:

"so, Jesus, get off the Notorious
penis, before I squeeze and bust
If the beef between us, we can settle it
With the chrome and metal shit
I make it hot, like a kettle get
You're delicate, you better get, who sent ya?"

That shit wasn't hot????

Big
Nas
Pac

Any order. I dont like jay z, so Im not even gonna rank his ass. Ether his ass off my top list.

Beasty

05-28-2009, 11:53 PM

The list is my favorite of all time. Let me guess your favorite of all time.

1. Pac
2. Nas
3. New York rapper
4. New York Rapper
5. New York Rapper

My fav 5

1. Pac
2. Drake (just at the moment thisman spit fiya)
3. Kanye
4.Juelz AYE!
5. Twista (ima CHI ninja)

Notables Gucci Mane, wayne, t.i. , Luda , outkast, Em..

These are not the top 5, fav 5.. Remind you im 18.

Dont hate on Gucci, that man makes muzik that bumps in da club!!

GodzHand

05-28-2009, 11:58 PM

So where do you rank Em? He's about as skillfull as they come.

He's certainly knocking on the door of top ten material.

Two Clips

05-29-2009, 12:00 AM

My fav 5

1. Pac
2. Drake (just at the moment thisman spit fiya)
3. Kanye
4.Juelz AYE!
5. Twista (ima CHI ninja)

Notables Gucci Mane, wayne, t.i. , Luda , outkast, Em..

These are not the top 5, fav 5.. Remind you im 18.

Dont hate on Gucci, that man makes muzik that bumps in da club!!Oh I ain't hatin' playa and Drake is nice.

F l i c k e r

05-29-2009, 12:01 AM

Ay. No Bounty Killer??? :thinking:

The Fix

05-29-2009, 12:01 AM

i miss the lost boyz. cheeks and lou should put something together.

VERSATILE2K10

05-29-2009, 12:01 AM

The list is my favorite of all time. Let me guess your favorite of all time.

1. Pac
2. Nas
3. New York rapper
4. New York Rapper
5. New York Rapper

That's probably most of their list's.

GodzHand

05-29-2009, 12:04 AM

That's probably most of their list's.

what's yours?

Kobe Bryant

05-29-2009, 12:20 AM

It used to be Pac for me but it's Nas now. Nas has been able to put out more music and more great music. I'm from the west coast and have no biased. But to me Nas is the best period.

Top 3
Nas
2Pac
Ice Cube

KILLA RIGHT

05-29-2009, 03:44 AM

Today i say pac morow nas or rakim or ghost or maybe gza

res

05-29-2009, 05:58 AM

toysale

05-29-2009, 06:19 AM

Definately have to support your decision to lift Nas over Pac.

Pac had alot of emotion but he was just too ordinary when it comes to lyrics.

As for the Nas Rakim discography comparison, Rakim has 4 indisputable classics. By indisputable I mean an album that is universally recognized as classic. Nas has only one indisputable classic (It Was Written) and three albums that I personally consider classics (Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic) so Ra has one over him in my book.

Surely Illmatic is more universally recognised than It Was Written (and if wrong, don't execute me, just an opinion). Illmatic, It Was Written and Stillmatic are all classic albums that Nas has done but not only are they considered classics (by me anyways), God's Son was another album I'd personally consider a classic because every song on that album was class. Although it may not be as universally recognised as Illmatic (or It Was Written), it was still quality.

neils7147933

05-29-2009, 07:55 AM

Definately have to support your decision to lift Nas over Pac.

Pac had alot of emotion but he was just too ordinary when it comes to lyrics.

As for the Nas Rakim discography comparison, Rakim has 4 indisputable classics. By indisputable I mean an album that is universally recognized as classic. Nas has only one indisputable classic (It Was Written) and three albums that I personally consider classics (Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic) so Ra has one over him in my book.
I think Illmatic is Nas's only undisputed classic, when it comes to critics and fans alike.

Nas has a quality discography for sure, though...but I think a lot of folks, especially on this board, throw the word 'classic' around too freely...

-Blackout-

05-29-2009, 08:31 AM

The way I see it:

2 Pac - best discography, legacy & influential
Nas - current, the best rapper alive
Rakim - pioneer, and influential
Em - best allround rapper, influential in being the greatest white rapper to ever lift the mic, king of the disstracks
Ice Cube or LL - no need to introduce these veterans.

Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 09:54 AM

Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 09:59 AM

^I see what happened. I was just looking at Rakim's SOLO career. You added in his cds with Eric B.

But still, saying Illmatic isn't an undisputable classic is puzzling to me....

Lights Out JT

05-29-2009, 10:18 AM

Wow...this thread blew the fukk up

Eminem might be the only rapper thats as skilled as nas and rakim, but the fact that you can argue eminem doesnt have a classic is what holds him back. His discography in no way can fukk with rakim or nas'

The question for me now is whos the 2nd best rapper: Rakim or 2pac. Comparing Rakim to 2pac is kind of like comparing nas to 2pac. Rakim is the more skilled rapper, but pac has the better flow and hes more passionate.

^I see what happened. I was just looking at Rakim's SOLO career. You added in his cds with Eric B.

But still, saying Illmatic isn't an undisputable classic is puzzling to me....

I would still call Rakim's music with Eric B. part of his solo career, Eric B. was just the dj...he didnt rap. But i agree, Nas clearly has more then one classic.

Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 10:22 AM

I would still call Rakim's music with Eric B. part of his solo career, Eric B. was just the dj...he didnt rap. But i agree, Nas clearly has more then one classic.

that shows how little i listen to rakim. LOL I lost. I know alot about rap, but this shows that i certaintly don't know as much as others.

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Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 10:29 AM

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Lights Out JT

05-29-2009, 10:30 AM

that shows how little i listen to rakim. LOL I lost. I know alot about rap, but this shows that i certaintly don't know as much as others.

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It took me a while to get into rakim (no homo) but i can honestly say i love his first 5 albums. The argument can be made that they're all classics.

http://www.datpiff.com/Long_Island_Sound_Rakim_Microphone_Fiend_The_Bes.m 6071.html

I co-sign this mixtape as the best "best of rakim" that exists

ЯiZО

05-29-2009, 10:31 AM

Vanilla Ice is the GOAT.

Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 10:32 AM

It took me a while to get into rakim (no homo) but i can honestly say i love his first 5 albums. The argument can be made that they're all classics.

http://www.datpiff.com/Long_Island_Sound_Rakim_Microphone_Fiend_The_Bes.m 6071.html

I co-sign this mixtape as the best "best of rakim" that exists

thanks

**whispers**

is it possible that rakim is the best of all time?

Lights Out JT

05-29-2009, 10:35 AM

thanks

**whispers**

is it possible that rakim is the best of all time?

For a while i thought he was, but i think nas has passed everyone. Now its a battle for 2nd place between rakim and pac. But the way i see it, you cant go wrong by chosing any one of the three of them.

Mr. Mef

05-29-2009, 10:37 AM

For a while i thought he was, but i think nas has passed everyone. Now its a battle for 2nd place between rakim and pac. But the way i see it, you cant go wrong by chosing any one of the three of them.

I agree. I stand by what I said with full confidence. and it has never waverd!!!!

**listens to rakim in the background, very unconfident**

lol

QUELOQUE

05-29-2009, 04:21 PM

Nas is the best rapper of all time. Why do you think 2Pac and Biggie dissed (BIG did it subliminally) a rapper that didn't provoke them, only had 1 album out, and that album didn't go more than gold? Seriously. They knew talent and lyrically and creatively Nas has been a consistent dude for 18 years, that shit is almost incredible.

Illmatic is his best album, but It Was Written got that piff.

Texasboy34

05-29-2009, 04:41 PM

WANGLER

05-29-2009, 05:18 PM

i think i might have to agree with you...

nasir is the greatest rapper to ever lift a mic.

nasir
rakim
kane
chuck d
krs
giancanna
gza
face

Very respectable list. :notworthy

Definately have to support your decision to lift Nas over Pac.

Pac had alot of emotion but he was just too ordinary when it comes to lyrics.

As for the Nas Rakim discography comparison, Rakim has 4 indisputable classics. By indisputable I mean an album that is universally recognized as classic. Nas has only one indisputable classic (It Was Written) and three albums that I personally consider classics (Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic) so Ra has one over him in my book.

It's actually Illmatic that's the undeniable classic.

black.ink

05-29-2009, 05:39 PM

3 years ago i would have said Rakim.

For the past year i have said Nas. In my opinion, Illmatic is the greatest hip hop album of all time. It was Written is an undeniable classic, Stillmatic and God's Son IMO are arguable classics, with Untitled, I Am and Hip Hop is Dead being great albums. He has never released a poor album (yes i include Nastradamus).

When you take into account all the all the neccessary qualities needed to qualify for the GOAT label, (influence, creativity, flow, impact, lyrically etc...) only few can be judged. Although the judging is all based on opinion.

The main contenders IMO, would be narrowed to Nas, Pac, Rakim, BDK, Biggie, Kool G Rap, krs, LL, Jay Z and possibly Eminem. I wouldn't know what order to put them in, but i can't put anybody above Nas.

QUELOQUE

05-29-2009, 05:59 PM

If Nas could have kept that same flow that he had on Illmatic this would not even be a contest. For some reason he switched it up to a slower flow starting on It Was Written, and although he is still better than 99% of the rappers out there I think it down graded him a bit IMO.

Here is how I break this down:

Lyrics - Nas

Flow - 2Pac

Storytelling - Tie

Passion / ability to relay the "message" - 2Pac

Voice - 2Pac

Punchlines / Multis - Nas

Better Catalogue - Tie... Both have classics, Nas gets extra pts for Illmatic, but gets dinged for Nastradamus & Untitled. Pac was more consistant, but none of his work matches Illmatic so we will just say tie on this one.

Most influential to their generation and new gens of rappers - 2Pac

With that said 2Pac >>> Nasir

Storytelling - Tie? It's pretty close, but you're wrong. 2 Pac has a couple like real good tracks like 'Dear Mama', 'Brenda's Got A Baby', and 'Keep Your Head Up'. But tracks like 'Rewind' had never been done before, the personification of a gun in 'I Gave You Power', 'Fetus', 'Money Is My Bitch', 'Undying Love'... Need I say more?

Smokin'J

05-29-2009, 06:26 PM

Only listen to shoot em up from Nas

MegStarr*

05-31-2009, 03:17 AM

I agree. But having the better flow doesn't make u the better rapper. ya know?

i think that you are not putting enough weight on the importance of flow. it is what ties it all together. your flow is your glue. exceptional flow can make wack lyrics sound hype. in my opinion it is extremely important...probably most important, actually. there are a whole lot of "good" rappers. there aren't a whole lot of "greats", and the greats have mad crazy flow!

Mr. Mef

05-31-2009, 10:34 AM

i think that you are not putting enough weight on the importance of flow. it is what ties it all together. your flow is your glue. exceptional flow can make wack lyrics sound hype. in my opinion it is extremely important...probably most important, actually. there are a whole lot of "good" rappers. there aren't a whole lot of "greats", and the greats have mad crazy flow!

I agree that flow matters, and matters alot. I love rappers with great flow.

However, I'm not going to put a rapper over another rapper soley because he/or she has a better flow.

But maybe I'm wrong....you have me thinking more about this. I appreciate your response.

120

05-31-2009, 10:46 AM

Just one thing. 2Pac came before, can't ignore that. Most of the time he had a war with the east also. Now think of 2Pac now, he would not have been rapping about west vs east, that sh!t is over. So could have been more into storytelling, maybe some more club banging. What i'm trying to say is that the times were different hence different songs. 2pac on his time was relevant, he not only was mainstream but the hardcore fanbase followed him. Nas in the other hand hits mainstream some times but years from now i don't see how he will be as big as 2pac is. Yeah the fact that he was killed had a lot to do with it but he is still around

res

06-06-2009, 05:32 PM

^I see what happened. I was just looking at Rakim's SOLO career. You added in his cds with Eric B.

But still, saying Illmatic isn't an undisputable classic is puzzling to me....

lol Yes of course I meant Illmatic, I didn't even know I had typed that; was doing too many things at once i guess.

Mr. Mef

06-06-2009, 10:26 PM

Pac is still the greatest. his music is just more powerful.....

I take back what i said

X89

06-06-2009, 11:20 PM

i believe nas is superior to 2pac

The_Executioner

06-07-2009, 12:30 AM

Pac is still the greatest. his music is just more powerful.....

I take back what i said

Pound for Pound Nas is better...but Pac's impact weighs more...and probably always will...