View Full Version : How would Evander Holyfield do in the 60's-70's?


Infern0
05-28-2009, 03:24 AM
I was wondering, how would he go against Liston, ali, foreman and frazier, what do you think guys.

RightCross94
05-28-2009, 05:35 AM
hes be right in the thick of that era with all of those guys, probably fighting more than once against all of them

The Iron Man
05-28-2009, 07:24 AM
He would give all of those a good fight, he would still be a top heavy at that era.

Davros?
05-28-2009, 07:31 AM
I would love to see Holyfield vs Frazier.

them_apples
05-28-2009, 05:18 PM
I was wondering, how would he go against Liston, ali, foreman and frazier, what do you think guys.

He'd beat Liston and Frazier, lose to the other 2.

Liston had really long arms and if you were strong enough to get inside like Holyfield would be, Liston couldn't get off or use his jab.

Frazier Holyfield would be war, I just give the slight edge to Holyfield.

res
05-29-2009, 05:26 AM
He'd beat Liston and Frazier, lose to the other 2.

Liston had really long arms and if you were strong enough to get inside like Holyfield would be, Liston couldn't get off or use his jab.

Frazier Holyfield would be war, I just give the slight edge to Holyfield.

Yeah but Liston could be a terror on the inside. Holyfield could win this due to the speed differential but he has to be very careful. He should manuever around Liston's jab, get inside to land some shots and then get out.

He would ofcourse beat Patterson

As for the 70's the Frazier fight would be exciting, possible for it to go either way but I've always given a slight edge to Frazier. In a series they may both take some.

I would pick him in a close fight with Norton.


Foreman and Ali would would take him.

hemichromis
05-29-2009, 08:13 AM
looks like we may see him fighting in HIS 60's and 70's

Miburo
05-29-2009, 11:57 PM
He would have had as least as much success as Frazier (not sure if he could have beaten Ali, but he certainly wouldn't have gone out like Frazier did against Foreman).

Rockin'
05-30-2009, 12:08 AM
with his conditioning I think that he could have been awsome at that time period. Holy was a skilled fighter with strength and would probably have been considered rather big in comparison to the heavies of the time, ofcourse liston is bigger but you know. Holyfield fighting ali, liston, foreman, fraizer, cleveland williams, shavers. Those would have been great fights. Neat idea whoever came up with it............Rockin':boxing:

Southpaw16BF
05-30-2009, 05:19 PM
Liston had really long arms and if you were strong enough to get inside like Holyfield would be, Liston couldn't get off or use his jab.

Liston only really ever struggled with tricky movers, as well as his pistol left jab, he could work very well on the inside. You say because if you could get on the inside, Liston cound't use his jab like this was his only weapon he had, bogus.

Liston's hooks especailly the left one were devastaing, and he could use them fighting inside to the body and head. Aswell as fighting on the outside.

Liston also had pretty sound defensive skills.

Thunder Lips
05-30-2009, 06:01 PM
Patterson got inside Liston's jab too.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/26/delliston_wideweb__470x272,0.jpg

Obviously, Holyfield has proven himself to be a more durable fighter than Floyd but he got busted up pretty good by Bowe on the inside and Liston has just as many short range weapons with equal or perhaps even more power. Holyfield could stick and move effectively against the older Foreman and a less motivated Bowe but I doubt he would be consistent enough to frustrate Liston all night with his feet.

BennyST
06-03-2009, 08:14 AM
Patterson got inside Liston's jab too.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/26/delliston_wideweb__470x272,0.jpg

Obviously, Holyfield has proven himself to be a more durable fighter than Floyd but he got busted up pretty good by Bowe on the inside and Liston has just as many short range weapons with equal or perhaps even more power. Holyfield could stick and move effectively against the older Foreman and a less motivated Bowe but I doubt he would be consistent enough to frustrate Liston all night with his feet.

Hmm, I'm not too sure about that. For a big guy Bowe was one of the best inside fighters I've seen. I think he had slightly better inside skills and a greater short range arsenal than Liston.

However, all of these fights would be stunning. I think Frazier/Holyfield would have been one of the greatest wars in HW history. I give the edge to Frazier as I don't think Holyfield would be able to box to take enough rounds for him to win and the majority of the fight would be a long, brutal inside war. Would have loved to have seen that one more than any other.

I think he would still do very well against the others though. He had very good speed and skills and could use them to great effect against everyone. I think Ali would beat him in a good boxing match.

nachorjj
06-03-2009, 08:47 AM
hollyfield dont have a chance in the 70 - 60 at hevyweigh foreman ali fraizer liston bonabena moore destroyed him. at hevy he wins tyson not prime and bowe

TheGreatA
06-03-2009, 09:13 AM
Liston going to work on Cleveland Williams from the second round onwards:

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I wouldn't pick many to beat Liston in this type of a fight.

BennyST
06-03-2009, 09:31 AM
Liston going to work on Cleveland Williams from the second round onwards:

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I wouldn't pick many to beat Liston in this type of a fight.

This is probably very similar to how their fight would look as well. Holyfield working from the outside and then fighting in spurts on the inside. This would be an amazing fight also, but I think I would agree that Liston (the good version anyway) would beat Holyfield.

mickey malone
06-03-2009, 10:50 AM
He'd beat Liston and Frazier, lose to the other 2.

Liston had really long arms and if you were strong enough to get inside like Holyfield would be, Liston couldn't get off or use his jab.

Frazier Holyfield would be war, I just give the slight edge to Holyfield.
Have to agree with you.. Top ten's fairly accurate to..

them_apples
06-03-2009, 08:20 PM
Liston only really ever struggled with tricky movers, as well as his pistol left jab, he could work very well on the inside. You say because if you could get on the inside, Liston cound't use his jab like this was his only weapon he had, bogus.

Liston's hooks especailly the left one were devastaing, and he could use them fighting inside to the body and head. Aswell as fighting on the outside.

Liston also had pretty sound defensive skills.

Yes, but, Holyfield is better than Liston on the inside, bar non. He wasn't too quick either. I just see Holyfield ripping off some really big combinations. Liston only pounded on Patterson because Patterson was like a small child in terms of strength comparison. Holyfield was strong as a bull for his size, even against the 90's Foreman his re cooperation and strength looked incredible.

Southpaw16BF
06-03-2009, 10:10 PM
Yes, but, Holyfield is better than Liston on the inside, bar non. He wasn't too quick either. I just see Holyfield ripping off some really big combinations. Liston only pounded on Patterson because Patterson was like a small child in terms of strength comparison. Holyfield was strong as a bull for his size, even against the 90's Foreman his re cooperation and strength looked incredible.

But you just totally dismissed Liston's work on the inside like it was non exsitance. When this isnt true as Liston could work on the inside rather well, and could throw powerfull hooks to the body and head.

And you say Liston only pounded on Patterson due to his lack of strength, but Liston also worked well on the inside against the 6''3 Cleveland Williams aswell as others. Liston may not have been as good as Hoylfield was fighting in the inside, but in his own right he was no mug.

And you say Holyfield was strong as a bull, but Liston was a very strong natrual Heavyweight himself, who rarely took a backfoot to no one and I don't think he would start with Holyfield, especailly if Dwight Muhhamad Qawi can stand up to Holyfield and back him up, as I feel Liston is stronger than the 190 Qawi.

Ray Mearcer and Bert Cooper also had spells of success on the inside, and both werent as strong or as well rounded on the inside than Liston.

So belive me Holyfield wound't have it all his own way with Liston on the inside.

TheGreatA
06-04-2009, 06:21 AM
I don't think Holyfield stands much of a chance if he goes to war against a prime Sonny Liston. The best strategy he could use is the one he used against Foreman, going in and out and doing less of the brawling which made him an exciting fighter but also made some fights much harder for him than they could have been.

I feel that Holyfield was much better at counter punching than he was at brawling/inside fighting, Bowe and others landed on him almost at will whenever he chose to stand and trade.

The third fight against Bowe was really silly on his part, then again he seemed to be in terrible shape for that one.

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Obama
06-04-2009, 08:55 PM
I was wondering, how would he go against Liston, ali, foreman and frazier, what do you think guys.

He beats post-Patterson Liston. Toss up fight between Foreman (who did well in his old age against Holyfield due to intelligence he didn't have in his youth). He beats Frazier. Him vs Ali would be a sight to see. What Jimmy Young did to Ali parallels what Chris Byrd did to Holyfield. Difference being Young was robbed, and Holyfield actually gave a great account of himself against Byrd down the stretch.

Obama
06-04-2009, 08:57 PM
The third fight against Bowe was really silly on his part, then again he seemed to be in terrible shape for that one.


Um, Hepatitis can do that.

BennyST
06-05-2009, 04:32 AM
But you just totally dismissed Liston's work on the inside like it was non exsitance. When this isnt true as Liston could work on the inside rather well, and could throw powerfull hooks to the body and head.

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Yes, but, Holyfield is better than Liston on the inside, bar non. He wasn't too quick either. I just see Holyfield ripping off some really big combinations. Liston only pounded on Patterson because Patterson was like a small child in terms of strength comparison. Holyfield was strong as a bull for his size, even against the 90's Foreman his re cooperation and strength looked incredible.

No, not true at all. Holyfield is highly overrated by many as an inside fighter. His best fights are when he goes on the inside and brawls but they are not the best way he fights at all. In fact, he is very vulnerable on the inside and can be hit quite easily.

His defense on the inside has many holes and quite a lot of his opponents had great success if it was an inside fight.

As Manchine said underneath, the only way Holyfield could win would be by making it a boxing match. Moving, throwing quick combos and getting in and out as fast as he could. If he starts trading on the inside then it becomes Liston territory and he would win that battle convincingly. Liston was very good on the inside and if you want to have a look at what it might look like go watch Bowe/Holyfield I.

Bowe beats Holyfield on the inside just as Liston would do. Liston had a great uppercut and Holyfield was not that good at defending against it.

I don't think Holyfield stands much of a chance if he goes to war against a prime Sonny Liston. The best strategy he could use is the one he used against Foreman, going in and out and doing less of the brawling which made him an exciting fighter but also made some fights much harder for him than they could have been.

I feel that Holyfield was much better at counter punching than he was at brawling/inside fighting, Bowe and others landed on him almost at will whenever he chose to stand and trade.


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