View Full Version : My Top 50 All-Time Greats!!!


asero831
05-24-2009, 08:44 PM
Accomplishment, Overall Ability and Timeliness



1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Joe Gans
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Barney Ross
18. Jack Johnson
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Jimmy Wilde

21. Mickey Walker
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Alexis Arguello
26. Rocky Marciano
27. Gene Tunney
28. Roy Jones Jr
29. Barbados Joe Walcott
30. Bernard Hopkins

31. Lennox Lewis
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Charley Burley
34. Eder Jofre
35. Tony Canzoneri
36. Emile Griffith
37. Jack Dempsey
38. Salvador Sanchez
39. Kid Gavilan
40. Thomas Hearns

41. Ike Williams
42. Larry Holmes
43. Floyd Mayweather Jr
44. Stanley Ketchel
45. Jimmy McLarnin
46. Tommy Loughran
47. Michael Spinks
48. Ruben Olivares
49. Jose Napoles
50. Fighting Harada

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 09:05 PM
you have pacquiao at 23, ahead of Ruben Olivares, Thomas Hearns, Jack Dempsey, Lennox Lewis, Roy Jones Jr, and Julio Cesar Chavez.

i know people love to criticize people's lists, but c'mon man.

asero831
05-24-2009, 09:22 PM
do you know how hard is it for a flyweight/bantamweight champ to do well past 126...pac didnt only do well, he had success past 126

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 09:37 PM
do you know how hard is it for a flyweight/bantamweight champ to do well past 126...pac didnt only do well, he had success past 126

buddy, let me let you in on something, pac-man isnt a natural flywieght, he wieght that much when he was in his teens.

asero831
05-24-2009, 09:45 PM
buddy, let me let you in on something, pac-man isnt a natural flywieght, he wieght that much when he was in his teens.

yes, he is not a natural flyweight...but he is so great that he manages to win the flyweight title...duran was never a 126 champ nor robinson a 135 champ in their teenage years

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 09:57 PM
yes, he is not a natural flyweight...but he is so great that he manages to win the flyweight title...duran was never a 126 champ nor robinson a 135 champ in their teenage years

and

who did he fight that was so good at that wieght,
yes he won a title, but he naturally got bigger.


how about hearns, he won titles from 147-195, and pacs way ahead of him.

it doesnt matter so much on wieght as it does on who they fought.
and the flywieght division is USALLYA the most empty, talent wise.

talip bin osman
05-24-2009, 10:04 PM
you have pacquiao at 23, ahead of Ruben Olivares, Thomas Hearns, Jack Dempsey, Lennox Lewis, Roy Jones Jr, and Julio Cesar Chavez.

i know people love to criticize people's lists, but c'mon man.

heck... THE RING got khaosai galaxy ahead of hearns also man... why not MP?

doing sum credible list is not a casual thing to do man... its not sumthing like u take bert sugar's or ESPN's as a template then insert/cancel each nominees @ will without careful thought...

asero831
05-24-2009, 10:16 PM
and

who did he fight that was so good at that wieght,
yes he won a title, but he naturally got bigger.


how about hearns, he won titles from 147-195, and pacs way ahead of him.

it doesnt matter so much on wieght as it does on who they fought.
and the flywieght division is USALLYA the most empty, talent wise.

but was hearns ever been a p4p king? he is only a 5 division champ from 147-175

asero831
05-24-2009, 10:18 PM
and

who did he fight that was so good at that wieght,
yes he won a title, but he naturally got bigger.


how about hearns, he won titles from 147-195, and pacs way ahead of him.

it doesnt matter so much on wieght as it does on who they fought.
and the flywieght division is USALLYA the most empty, talent wise.

he beat sasakul who beat a p4p top 10 yuri of russia

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 10:20 PM
but was hearns ever been a p4p king? he is only a 5 division champ from 147-175

he wasnt P4P king because look who was around, SRL, and marvin hagler.
now tell me, has pac ever faced a fighter as good as those 2?

no, because there currently is none

asero831
05-24-2009, 10:27 PM
he wasnt P4P king because look who was around, SRL, and marvin hagler.
now tell me, has pac ever faced a fighter as good as those 2?

no, because there currently is none

my bad, he is p4p king in '81...but nobody ranks him in their top 35. His chin fails him in his biggest fights

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 10:35 PM
my bad, he is p4p king in '81...but nobody ranks him in their top 35. His chin fails him in his biggest fights

i was just useing him as an example, but pac isnt number 23, just no way, many fighters have done more, and fought better comp.

talip bin osman
05-24-2009, 10:41 PM
he wasnt P4P king because look who was around, SRL, and marvin hagler.
now tell me, has pac ever faced a fighter as good as those 2?

no, because there currently is none

ok... hearns officially lost to those 2 right?

what were his biggest wins?

roberto duran was a great win, but... duran was greatly outsized in that fight... manos de piedra was fighting outside his prime too...

juan roldan & pipino cuevas... was roldan or cuevas in anyway greater compared to barrera or morales? even JMM?

hearns' biggest wins outside those i mentioned were against benitez, virgil hill & michael olajide...

nothing much (except duran) compared to MP's wins...

asero831
05-24-2009, 10:41 PM
i was just useing him as an example, but pac isnt number 23, just no way, many fighters have done more, and fought better comp.

he is in the same bracket as jones, chavez, arguello and holyfield

hearns is a bracket or two below

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 10:45 PM
he is in the same bracket as jones, chavez, arguello and holyfield

hearns is a bracket or two below

once again, hearns was only ONE of my 7 examples.
but there are jus to many fighters that have done more then him.
i think chavez did, not to sure about arguello, and many others.

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 10:47 PM
ok... hearns officially lost to those 2 right?

what were his biggest wins?

roberto duran was a great win, but... duran was greatly outsized in that fight... manos de piedra was fighting outside his prime too...

juan roldan & pipino cuevas... was roldan or cuevas in anyway greater compared to barrera or morales? even JMM?

hearns' biggest wins outside those i mentioned were against benitez, virgil hill & michael olajide...

nothing much (except duran) compared to MP's wins...

i was just using hearns as one of my 7 examples, but this is the question:
do you really think pac is number 23 on the ATG's list.

talip bin osman
05-24-2009, 10:51 PM
im not really great with lists brudda... im not really that qualified to make a credible list with all these great boxers specially those who belong in the old-skool...

im just replying in the context that u used hearns & the fact that khaosai galaxy was ahead of him in THE RING's list...

portuge puncher
05-24-2009, 10:54 PM
im not really great with lists brudda... im not really that qualified to make a credible list with all these great boxers specially those who belong in the old-skool...

im just replying in the context that u used hearns & the fact that khaosai galaxy was ahead of him in THE RING's list...

ok, but can you name more then 23 fighters that are greater then pac.

glidesmack
05-24-2009, 11:36 PM
great list.

JAB5239
05-25-2009, 12:58 AM
Accomplishment, Overall Ability and Timeliness



1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Joe Gans
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Barney Ross
18. Jack Johnson
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Jimmy Wilde

21. Mickey Walker
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Alexis Arguello
26. Rocky Marciano
27. Gene Tunney
28. Roy Jones Jr
29. Lennox Lewis
30. Evander Holyfield

31. Bernard Hopkins
32. Barbados Joe Walcott
33. Charley Burley
34. Eder Jofre
35. Tony Canzoneri
36. Emile Griffith
37. Jack Dempsey
38. Kid Gavilan
39. Salvador Sanchez
40. Ike Williams


41. Larry Holmes
42. Floyd Mayweather Jr
43. Thomas Hearns
44. Jimmy McLarnin
45. Stanley Ketchel
46. Tommy Loughran
47. Michael Spinks
48. Ruben Olivares
49. Jose Napoles
50. Fighting Harada

I don't agree with everything, but this is a damn good listy. Very respectable.

RightCross94
05-25-2009, 07:21 AM
i dont agree with a few odd things but overallits a pretty credible list

good work, its not easy to put these things together

Southpaw16BF
05-25-2009, 05:05 PM
List's were always be questioned as everyone has there own views and thoughts on who should be were. I have my douts on this list, but like I say it is your list.

Interesting not to see George Dixon, Pascual Perez, Kid Chocolate, Battling Nelson, Abe Attell, Johnny Dundee, Dick Tiger, Tommy Ryan, and a few others not on there. But I can imagine it to be hard to draw up a top 50 fighters list, it would take me alot of time and research.

BennyST
05-27-2009, 08:39 AM
do you know how hard is it for a flyweight/bantamweight champ to do well past 126...pac didnt only do well, he had success past 126

He's never actually been smaller than anyone though apart from Oscar.

▀ringer
05-27-2009, 12:13 PM
Of course, I don't agree with every position on the list.

But honestly, it's one of the better top 50's I can ever recall seeing.

I wouldn't place Pacquiao ahead of guys like Chavez, Jones, and Hopkins.

But overall the list is ace.

Kudos.

CCobra
05-30-2009, 09:40 AM
Many questionable decisions on this list but as with all lists, it's a matter of opinion. Most credible historians can barely agree on the top-10 Heavyweights let alone the top-50 of anyweight.

It's good to see Charles getting some much deserved props. He's such an underrated fighter and only began to get the props he truly deserves in recent years. He was a fine all-round fighter and I regard him as my number one all time LHW.

One thing that bugs me is seeing Manny Pacquiao so high. Whilst he is a great fighter he hasn't done enough to justify being ranked ahead of many on that list. Dempsey, Lewis, Hearns, Tunney, Arguello, Hopkins and Burley are a selection of the names I feel definitely need to be ranked above Pacquiao. Their are many noticeable ommisions from your list as well including Harry Wills, who is among the greatest never to be crowned champion. Jeanette is another noticeable ommision from your list. I'd be willing to go out and say that even Basilio deserves a spot on the list ahead of some of the fighters mentioned.

The list is pretty good other then what was mentioned above but it's all a matter of opinion.

oaklandstephen
06-09-2009, 10:54 PM
ok... hearns officially lost to those 2 right?

what were his biggest wins?

roberto duran was a great win, but... duran was greatly outsized in that fight... manos de piedra was fighting outside his prime too...

juan roldan & pipino cuevas... was roldan or cuevas in anyway greater compared to barrera or morales? even JMM?

hearns' biggest wins outside those i mentioned were against benitez, virgil hill & michael olajide...

nothing much (except duran) compared to MP's wins...

he got a draw with leonard in the second fight but everyone knows hearns won, leonard even admitted it.

miron_lang
06-10-2009, 07:19 AM
I think its better to not include active fighters.


Number 23 for Manny Pacquiao might be an injustice when he's done with his career.

Puntoyhauf
06-10-2009, 09:52 AM
I just don't agree Manny at 23... well it's up to the guys who makes the list right?

Richie-G
06-10-2009, 12:53 PM
if manny beat floyd, then cotto or sugar shane, would you guys say he deserved a high spot like this?

i probably would, maybe not as high as 23 though

good list overall

GJC
06-10-2009, 01:43 PM
Accomplishment, Overall Ability and Timeliness



1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Sam Langford
5. Harry Greb
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Joe Gans
16. Carlos Monzon
17. Barney Ross
18. Jack Johnson
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Jimmy Wilde

21. Mickey Walker
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Manny Pacquiao
24. Julio Cesar Chavez
25. Alexis Arguello
26. Rocky Marciano
27. Gene Tunney
28. Roy Jones Jr
29. Barbados Joe Walcott
30. Bernard Hopkins

31. Lennox Lewis
32. Evander Holyfield
33. Charley Burley
34. Eder Jofre
35. Tony Canzoneri
36. Emile Griffith
37. Jack Dempsey
38. Salvador Sanchez
39. Kid Gavilan
40. Thomas Hearns

41. Ike Williams
42. Larry Holmes
43. Floyd Mayweather Jr
44. Stanley Ketchel
45. Jimmy McLarnin
46. Tommy Loughran
47. Michael Spinks
48. Ruben Olivares
49. Jose Napoles
50. Fighting Harada
Thankyou for taking the time and posting.
Good list, obviously would change the order a touch myself but thats personal opinion.
Re ommisions again its a personal thing, I haven't done my 50 so might have a couple of different names.
Do think I might find a place for Bob Foster in mine somewhere.

FanboyKiller
06-10-2009, 07:24 PM
idiots dwell here eh?

FanboyKiller
06-10-2009, 07:25 PM
i was just useing him as an example, but pac isnt number 23, just no way, many fighters have done more, and fought better comp.

another black not happy seeing an asian topping his god
theres a reson why he used the word "MY" imbecile