What's up with all these comparisons by these new and old "Machida fans" claiming Machida can beat Fedor? Are you guys seriously assessing your comments or is it strictly based on bias as a result of Machida's win yesterday?

Machida and Fedor are two completely different fighters in two different weight classes. First off, for the fight to ever happen they'd obviously need to be in the same weight class. It's obvious that Fedor would never move down so Machida would have to move up. Keep in mind Fedor already has the advantage being a natural HW.

Secondly, Fedor wouldn't make the same mistakes that Machida's past opponents made. Fedor is a superb fighter who adapts to his opponents style and can fight his fight and their fight as well. He has tremendous power and speed for a heavyweight. He also has excellent take-down ability and heavy hands. He's excellent both in the stand-up and ground game and he has a great chin. He has excellent submissions and has tasted success long before Machida was ever known in the MMA world. What Machida is tasting with his new belt, Fedor has achieved way before him...Fedor has been a P4P HW long before Machida was mentioned. Overall, he's quite possibly the most well balanced fighter you'll find.

So let's be real and show the real emperor some respect to anyone who says Machida would beat Fedor. It's way too early to comment on Machida "winning" because he's only recently shocked the world. Fedor has been doing it for years now...

Weren't you the fanboy betting billions of faux points on Evans because you saw him knocking Machida out? How that vision work out for you, Moses?

Machida is #2 pound for pound in the World. I have been saying this for longer than anyone else that I can find anywhere on the world wide webs. Oh, and he's #1 pound for pound in the UFC®, of course.

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Weren't you the fanboy betting billions of faux points on Evans because you saw him knocking Machida out? How that vision work out for you, Moses?

It's a prediction. It didn't go the way I thought even though I acknowledged Machida's elusiveness. I said that Evans will have to get by his defense with his heavy hands which ultimately he couldn't do. Don't be a prick about it!

Machida is #2 pound for pound in the World. I have been saying this for longer than anyone else that I can find anywhere on the world wide webs. Oh, and he's #1 pound for pound in the UFC®, of course.

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Nowhere in your comments did you mention Fedor at all. All you went on rambling about was Machida being number 2 P4P. Re-read the OP "fanboy". I don't think you understand what this thread is about...

It's a prediction. It didn't go the way I thought even though I acknowledged Machida's elusiveness. I said that Evans will have to get by his defense with his heavy hands which ultimately he couldn't do. Don't be a prick about it!



Nowhere in your comments did you mention Fedor at all. All you went on rambling about was Machida being number 2 P4P. Re-read the OP "fanboy". I don't think you understand what this thread is about...

The kid's a douchebag, don't worry about it.

Back on subject though.

I remember seeing a statistic with video footage on Sherdog that Fedor has had less power shots landed on him in 30 fights than Machida has had landed on him in his 13.

They added up all of the points from a bunch of statistics such as power punches landed for/against them, average fight time, etc. and Fedor was leaps and bounds above every fighter on the Top 10 P4P list.

Do you have shit in the place of brains in between your ears? Maybe you possess no logic. Machida is #1 pound for pound in the UFC®; #2 pound for pound in the World. Who the **** do you think is #1? Hong Man Choi? Tank Abbott? You complete and utter imbecile. Pay up your e-bets and go back into your hole.

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Footnote 1
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Fite/p4p.jpg
check the date there, chief

Footnote 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Fite/MachidaNov08rant.jpg
Again, check the date, chief

The kid's a douchebag, don't worry about it.

Back on subject though.

I remember seeing a statistic with video footage on Sherdog that Fedor has had less power shots landed on him in 30 fights than Machida has had landed on him in his 13.

They added up all of the points from a bunch of statistics such as power punches landed for/against them, average fight time, etc. and Fedor was leaps and bounds above every fighter on the Top 10 P4P list.

That's interesting. Do you have a link to that? I want to watch it. Perhaps we can put some sense into these Machida fan boys who claim that "no one in the world (including Fedor) can beat him".

I can't deny that Machida is a very skilled and elusive fighter with an unorthodox punching style that won him the Evans fight but people are over-hyping him. All of a sudden, Machida wins the belt and suddenly people claim he's able to beat a guy in HW who's been in Machida's position before Machida was even known in MMA.

Not many people have fought the type of competition that Fedor has fought and beaten. Ricardo Arona, Nogueira (twice), Sobral, Coleman (twice), Herring, Fujita, Cro-cop, Randleman, Lindland, Sylvia and Arlovski. I mean Fedor has ran through all of them and won. It's amazing when you see his level of competition in his career and the fact that those guys are all very good fighters.

Do you have shit in the place of brains in between your ears? Maybe you possess no logic. Machida is #1 pound for pound in the UFC®; #2 pound for pound in the World. Who the **** do you think is #1? Hong Man Choi? Tank Abbott? You complete and utter imbecile. Pay up your e-bets and go back into your hole.

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Again, check the date, chief

Did your dad die in the war or something?

Do you have shit in the place of brains in between your ears? Maybe you possess no logic. Machida is #1 pound for pound in the UFC®; #2 pound for pound in the World. Who the **** do you think is #1? Hong Man Choi? Tank Abbott? You complete and utter imbecile. Pay up your e-bets and go back into your hole.

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You're knowledge of MMA seems to be very limited, bias and narrow minded. I'm not sure you understand the term P4P but in a nutshell, it's the value of a fighter in their respective weight class. IF you say Machida is P4P number 1 in the UFC than that's misleading because Machida has only recently won the belt. He still has competition in his weight class including Jackson and Rua. Silva has no real competition whatsoever. He cleaned out his division completely and has had 5 successful title defenses. His value in Middleweight is more than Machida's value in LHW which is why Anderson is still P4P number one. But you're a fanboy so you wouldn't understand. You have too much of a bias for Machida debate anything seriously.

You Machida fans really are something! Machida wins the belt and automatically you guys make it seem like he can stop EVERY SINGLE MMA fighter in the world. Give him some time and stop hyping the guy. He's skillful but he's not P4P #1 just yet.

I say here what I said in another thread:

Fedor is still the king. As far as skills go. Two completely different fighters who are as effective as each other in their respective divisions. Fedor takes top spot for the fact that he has had the longer career and has fought the best of the HWs on a consistent basis. If Machida is able to stay atop the LHW division for as long as Fedor has the HW division, then he'll be in with a very huge shout for being P4P #1.

As far as them against each other. Too close to call if I'm being honest. Fedor has never been in there with someone like Lyoto, and Lyoto has never been in there with a guy like Fedor. But if i had to pick, I'd go with Fedor. Lyoto is one of the best of today, but Fedor is the best ever. That alone can be the difference.

That Machida is a bad muthafuker real talk....

The way he Blitzed Evans last night was a class performance...

Looking forward to seeing him fight some more
Great fighter

Also, as previously shown in another thread in the MMA forum, Fedor is also more elusive than Machida so Machida would be compared to someone more elusive than himself. Here are the stats from TheMMANews.com...

http://www.themmanews.com/?p=3085

While many MMA fans and insiders would consider Lyoto Machida the most elusive fighter in Mixed Martial Arts, FightMetric uses statistical analysis to prove that he’s actually the second most elusive(of the list they’ve assembled) mixed martial arts fighter. The stats below comes from the number of strikes a fighter takes divided by the number of minutes fought to give you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting(SApM). Here’s the list:

Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Lyoto Machida: 0.64 SApM
Fedor Emelianenko: 0.59 SApM

As you can see Fedor Emelianenko has the lowest SApM with Machida coming in second. Take from this what you will, but these two fighters are very hard to hit.

People should look out for Rua. He's overall an excellent fighter with a good stand-up game, great ground game and devastating knees (-->see Rampage win). If only he can become 100% like he was before. It wasn't too long ago that he was # 1 LHW in the world back in his PRIDE FC days.

You don't possess an iota of knowledge of the sport of Mixed Martial Arts that I do. I won't even waste my time with your long list of fallacies. Again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out, champ? Exactly.

And it's YOU that doesn't know what pound for pound means. Go look it up. Or don't. You'll too stupid to understand the simplicity behind it. Machida hasn't lost a single round. Machida would beat the dogshit out of any fighter currently or ever contracted to ZUFFA, LLC., in the pound for pound sense of suspending weight class divisions. That is why he is AND WAS pound for pound #1 in the UFC® far before yesterday. But hey, imbeciles like you who don't know shitall about the sport didn't know that. Still don't. Once again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out? You should be hired by Y! Sports -- fit right in.

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You don't possess an iota of knowledge of the sport of Mixed Martial Arts that I do. I won't even waste my time with your long list of fallacies. Again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out, champ? Exactly.

And it's YOU that doesn't know what pound for pound means. Go look it up. Or don't. You'll too stupid to understand the simplicity behind it. Machida hasn't lost a single round. Machida would beat the dogshit out of any fighter currently or ever contracted to ZUFFA, LLC., in the pound for pound sense of suspending weight class divisions. That is why he is AND WAS pound for pound #1 in the UFC® far before yesterday. But hey, imbeciles like you who don't know shitall about the sport didn't know that. Still don't. Once again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out? You should be hired by Y! Sports -- fit right in.

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The knowledge of this sport that you posses has no more mass than a grain of salt compared to some of the posters around here and in particular, me. You remind me of the sack-rider in highschool that never brought up a decent argument for anything and took prior common knowledge to trash on the people who are new to the subject. Why not correct and offer some helpful comments, whether you know more than the OP or not, why be an ass about it?

Honestly? You're a wannabe. Please take that "I Compete." Bullshit out of your sig, because you lack the ability to critically think and do not have either the mentality or class of a competitor.

The knowledge of this sport that you posses has no more mass than a grain of salt compared to some of the posters around here and in particular, me. You remind me of the sack-rider in highschool that never brought up a decent argument for anything and took prior common knowledge to trash on the people who are new to the subject. Why not correct and offer some helpful comments, whether you know more than the OP or not, why be an ass about it?

Honestly? You're a wannabe. Please take that "I Compete." Bullshit out of your sig, because you lack the ability to critically think and do not have either the mentality or class of a competitor.

Bricks, who'se the dj in your sig?

You don't possess an iota of knowledge of the sport of Mixed Martial Arts that I do. I won't even waste my time with your long list of fallacies. Again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out, champ? Exactly.

Once again you're being a prick over a wrong prediction. As if you've never made a wrong prediction. Not to mention you're a fanboy; the equivalent of a boxing nuthugger. It's uneducated losers of the sport like you that can't even properly define and understand the term "Pound for Pound".

And it's YOU that doesn't know what pound for pound means. Go look it up. Or don't. You'll too stupid to understand the simplicity behind it. Machida hasn't lost a single round. Machida would beat the dogshit out of any fighter currently or ever contracted to ZUFFA, LLC., in the pound for pound sense of suspending weight class divisions. That is why he is AND WAS pound for pound #1 in the UFC® far before yesterday. But hey, imbeciles like you who don't know shitall about the sport didn't know that. Still don't. Once again, how did your Evans vs Machida analysis pan out? You should be hired by Y! Sports -- fit right in.

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Funny how you say I don't know what P4P means when I clearly gave you the definition. Obviously you don't know much about MMA or else you'd show me how I'm wrong in the definition. But I can't expect much from fanboys like you.

You've got Machida above Silva pound for pound despite Machida still having competition in his weight division (including Jackson and Rua). Silva has no competition but obviously your bias will override any logical decision making. People don't assess "pound for pound" based on whether or not someone is undefeated or whether they have won every round but it's about the fighters value in his respective weight division compared to another fighter's value in their weight division. Obviously you know little about MMA or else you'd prove me wrong. You don't deserve to be discussing this sport with people on here. Your knowledge and definitions of basic MMA concepts are lacking. When you understand what P4P means and when you eliminate the overwhelming bias (being a fanboy and all) then get back and maybe we can have a real debate.

The knowledge of this sport that you posses has no more mass than a grain of salt compared to some of the posters around here and in particular, me. You remind me of the sack-rider in highschool that never brought up a decent argument for anything and took prior common knowledge to trash on the people who are new to the subject. Why not correct and offer some helpful comments, whether you know more than the OP or not, why be an ass about it?

Honestly? You're a wannabe. Please take that "I Compete." Bullshit out of your sig, because you lack the ability to critically think and do not have either the mentality or class of a competitor.

That was an articulate and intelligent a$$ whooping if I have ever seen one.

But in truth, who cares, why get riled up and not just enjoy the fights.

No man is perfect, Lyoto Machida made plenty of mistakes last night ranging from periods of wild swinging, to backing up and weaving with his hands at his sides. Fedor makes mistakes as well and both men recognise and acknowledge it. The fact is that they win. It doesnt matter who gets hit the least what matters is that both men dedicate themselves fully to their craft.

Please stop the no man will beat Machida talk. I believe he could reign for a while but it was a point where no man could beat Royce Gracie, then Mark Coleman, then Vitor Belfort, to Tito Ortiz to Liddell to Hughes and now too Silva and GSP. Everyone is beatable but much respect shown to them regardless

I'm a boxer and truthfully don't know a huge deal about MMA fighting but in terms of elusiveness Machida is much harder to get too than Fedor. Fedor may be harder to hit than Machida but he isn't really elusive. Machida reminds me of Floyd Mayweather:
wait, wait, wait
strike, move
assess situation
wait wait wait
rinse+repeat

I'm a boxer and truthfully don't know a huge deal about MMA fighting but in terms of elusiveness Machida is much harder to get too than Fedor. Fedor may be harder to hit than Machida but he isn't really elusive. Machida reminds me of Floyd Mayweather:
wait, wait, wait
strike, move
assess situation
wait wait wait
rinse+repeat

He is def a slick man but after last nights fight he should protect his chin more. Weaving with your hands at your side is fine when your elusive but its going to eventually cost you. Zab Judah comes to mind when I say that

A. Silva has "no competition" in his weight class so that makes him above someone else that has competition in his weight class? Wow. Superb logic. I won't correct your fallacies; I won't correct anyone's fallacies. I don't have the time nor the desire. I have better things to do like train. And compete. SEE sig.

I've been unanimously deemed one of the classiest and respectful competitors on the tournament circuit. I respect those that deserve my respect. If you're ever across from me on the tatame, you'll see. Since you won't ever be, don't worry about it. I won't be removing anything from my sig anytime soon. SEE sig.

The fact of the matter is that history has shown me on the right side of analysis. ALWAYS. The fact of the matter is that I've contributed as well as followed this sport for longer than most all of you TUF®-era clowns combined. SEE footnote 1. SEE sig.

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I aint seen one posts that says machida would beat fedor and i aint seen
one post that says he can beat any fighter in the world.

honestly, this looks like a "praise fedor" thread which could be posted after
any major win in the ufc, at LHW or HW.

I say here what I said in another thread:



As far as them against each other. Too close to call if I'm being honest. Fedor has never been in there with someone like Lyoto, and Lyoto has never been in there with a guy like Fedor. But if i had to pick, I'd go with Fedor. Lyoto is one of the best of today, but Fedor is the best ever. That alone can be the difference.

Not close at all actually...For one , Fedor is a HW
Fedor also fought superior fighters. (prime Nogueira & prime Crocop , both are shadow of their former selves today though).

The guy also recently annihilated 2 ex hw champs in about 3 minutes COMBINED.

Machida is naturally bigger than Rashad...Fedor sometimes fight bigger opponents (just recently , Arlovski...not to mention , the guy had Roach as a trainer no less) , Machida's striking is nothing new for Emelianenko.

He's seen better , faster...(prime crocop)

When Machida was confronted to a HW past prime karate/striker (Sam Greco)
The guy was clearly struggling and not as dominant. (maybe that's machida's weakness ? other karatekas ? )

he barely won a split dec against Greco...here's the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcLjNseFXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWbnEWOTi2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxXL5GnRF8

Keep in mind , Greco was not only way past his prime here...but also had little (almost zero) experience as an mma fighter...(he comes from K1)..

When a prime Crocop was confronted to a prime Greco , this is what happened..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdPeXkEe4g

In other words , "been there , done that"... Fedor owned a prime crocop in 2005. (back when the guy was still ranked in the top 3)...Fedor owned a prime Nogueira , in 2003 (when it still mattered...Nogueira is a living legend of the sport btw...)

Anything the likes of Machida can do is nothing new for a veteran like emelianenko.

It's a bit like Lesnar putting a clinic on Herring...nothing new.
People went ape shit after this beating and yet they all keep forgetting that emelianenko did the same shit years before , only unlike Lesnar...Fedor was mauling herring so bad that he had to abandon the fight !

Fedor shouldn't be ranked as a P4P # 1 fighter...
No , fedor is in a league of his own. He's the GOAT. He's not the "it" fighter of the moment. He's been doing this shit since 2001..

His next opponent (another ex-ufc champ and pride fc finalist)..Josh Barnett , is also way bigger than he is... Maybe he'll get owned this time , maybe not...but in the mean time...the guy is untouchable.

and btw...I don't hate on Machida... I think he's a solid fighter and his latest win certainly wasn't a fluke. As a matter of fact , i thought the guy should've had his opportunity to fight for the belt even back in 2008...

However , i don't think he can be compared to a specimen like emelianenko.
And Fedor isn't a "perfect" fighter , he's got his weaknesses (like everyone else)... But based on his entire career...i personally cannot compare the two. Fedor is something else.

Not close at all actually...For one , Fedor is a HW
Fedor also fought superior fighters. (prime Nogueira & prime Crocop , both are shadow of their former selves today though).

The guy also recently annihilated 2 ex hw champs in about 3 minutes COMBINED.

Machida is naturally bigger than Rashad...Fedor sometimes fight bigger opponents (just recently , Arlovski...not to mention , the guy had Roach as a trainer no less) , Machida's striking is nothing new for Emelianenko.

He's seen better , faster...(prime crocop)

When Machida was confronted to a HW past prime karate/striker (Sam Greco)
The guy was clearly struggling and not as dominant. (maybe that's machida's weakness ? other karatekas ? )

he barely won a split dec against Greco...here's the vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRcLjNseFXE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWbnEWOTi2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxXL5GnRF8

Keep in mind , Greco was not only way past his prime here...but also had little (almost zero) experience as an mma fighter...(he comes from K1)..

When a prime Crocop was confronted to a prime Greco , this is what happened..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdPeXkEe4g

In other words , "been there , done that"... Fedor owned a prime crocop in 2005. (back when the guy was still ranked in the top 3)...Fedor owned a prime Nogueira , in 2003 (when it still mattered...Nogueira is a living legend of the sport btw...)

Anything the likes of Machida can do is nothing new for a veteran like emelianenko.

It's a bit like Lesnar putting a clinic on Herring...nothing new.
People went ape shit after this beating and yet they all keep forgetting that emelianenko did the same shit years before , only unlike Lesnar...Fedor was mauling herring so bad that he had to abandon the fight !

Fedor shouldn't be ranked as a P4P # 1 fighter...
No , fedor is in a league of his own. He's the GOAT. He's not the "it" fighter of the moment. He's been doing this shit since 2001..

His next opponent (another ex-ufc champ and pride fc finalist)..Josh Barnett , is also way bigger than he is... Maybe he'll get owned this time , maybe not...but in the mean time...the guy is untouchable.

Good analysis but there are a few things to consider.

Who Fedor has fought in the past has no bearing on an opponent he may fight in the future. Yes he has fought far better competition in his division and has never looked like he could be toppled. As it stands with them now, I'd go with Fedor. He's the proven commodity so it's the logical pick.

However, you also need to look at styles not just size. Most, if not all, of Fedor's toughest opponents have been the same size as him. Fact is the skill level of the much larger opponents isn't as high because they rely on their size to help get them through alot of situations. Guys like Crocop & Nog weren't that much bigger but had the skills to give him problems. Nog was tough as nails had basic yet effective submissions, whereas Crocop had explosive yet traditional kickboxing. Other than that they had glaring weaknesses when taken out of their comfort zone, with Crocop being a fish out of water when he was on the ground, a Nog having pretty sloppy standup with little to no head movement.

You can bring up fights from the past like the Greco fight but quite frankly what does it really mean exactly when Crocop fought him in a K1 bought not an MMA fight. The Lesnar/Herring example has no bearing whatsoever on Fedor or Machida. I mean Crocop went the distance with Fedor which Fedor has said many times was the toughest fight of his career. Yet Nog and Randleman both submit and KO him respectively. And Fedor went the distance 2 times with Nog and submitted Randleman. It's proof enough that styles will make fights not size and common opponents.

Stylistically, Machida poses problems for anyone he faces that doesn't know Karate to the level at which he does. Fedor is included in this regardless of his standing. Crocop is you're standard explosive kickboxer. Timing and counteracting someone like this who has glaring weaknesses elsewhere is far easier to do than someone as sporadic as Machida. Plus Machida is as quick if not quicker than Crocop ever was. Even with Crocop's footwork he still got caught plenty of times in fights. Machida hardly ever gets hit and his strikes are some of the quickest I've ever seen. Unorthodox, but very, very fast. Does it mean that Machida will be tougher? No. Does it mean Machida can beat Fedor? No. Does he pose interesting threats? I would have to say yes because Machida is not your run of the mill kickboxer straight outta K1. Much like Fedor in Russia with Sambo, Machida is a top level Karate fighter for the majority of his life. He's shown no glaring weakness standing, in clinch situations (probably attributed to his sumo background) or on the ground. But with all fighters he is bound to have some things that he needs work on or probably cannot fix. What I was doing which I think was misunderstood was just comparing fight styles and how they would match up. Forget the size, who they have fought and who they are and take the skills of both men and match them up as if they were two random fellas. It would be an interesting chess match that's for sure.

Fedor is in a league of his own. This I have never denied. He's the best fighter ever in MMA so far and with the career he has had he has the accomplishments to prove it. Like I said before, if Machida has the type of reign in the LHW that Fedor had in the HW division then people can start comparing them in the all-time great or P4P sense.

Why is he being compared to Fedor anyways?

Fedor is a HW. Machida is LHW. For Machida to even fight Fedor, he has to leave UFC. So, why even compare them? What's the point? They wont ever fight each other.

Even if they do fight. Fedor will win because he is the best at being lucky. He is just lucky. I seen him get owned and STILL win. Get dropped on his head and still win by kneebar. Get bum rushed and still win by KTFO. Machida wouldn't beat Fedor. Because Fedor is the best at being lucky. I would like to think Machida could win by decision but Fedor gets lucky all the time.

Thats my take on it.

Why is he being compared to Fedor anyways?

Fedor is a HW. Machida is LHW. For Machida to even fight Fedor, he has to leave UFC. So, why even compare them? What's the point? They wont ever fight each other.

Even if they do fight. Fedor will win because he is the best at being lucky. He is just lucky. I seen him get owned and STILL win. Get dropped on his head and still win by kneebar. Get bum rushed and still win by KTFO. Machida wouldn't beat Fedor. Because Fedor is the best at being lucky. I would like to think Machida could win by decision but Fedor gets lucky all the time.

Thats my take on it.

The best create their own luck. :D

IF Machida moved up to heavyweight he could possibly lose. If he stays at his weight and fights Fedor, Machida has a better chance.
Machidas speed at the lighter weight would tell. Fedor has looked good beating slow guys.

The kid's a douchebag, don't worry about it.

Back on subject though.

I remember seeing a statistic with video footage on Sherdog that Fedor has had less power shots landed on him in 30 fights than Machida has had landed on him in his 13.

They added up all of the points from a bunch of statistics such as power punches landed for/against them, average fight time, etc. and Fedor was leaps and bounds above every fighter on the Top 10 P4P list.

that can't be true. just off the top of my head I could think of cro cop and fujita who landed a good number of power punches on fedor. those 2 fights alone should add up to more power punches landed on fedor than in Machida's entire career.

I aint seen one posts that says machida would beat fedor and i aint seen
one post that says he can beat any fighter in the world.

honestly, this looks like a "praise fedor" thread which could be posted after
any major win in the ufc, at LHW or HW.

Are you serious? Look at the thread titled "The Next Emperor"- Lyoto Machida and you'll see. That's the main reason why I created this thread in the first place.

Are you serious? Look at the thread titled "The Next Emperor"- Lyoto Machida and you'll see. That's the main reason why I created this thread in the first place.

As I stated through out the thread, I was merely alluding to Fedor's nickname as a metaphor for Machida's (presumed) future dominance in the sport. Machida is only 15 fights into his career, and just picked up his first title. Currently, I don't see anyone around his division to present a serious challenge, and I was essentially stating a prediction that Machida's reign will be marked by the sort of dominance not seen since Fedor.

Really, the sport is still young and Fedor is the original phenom and in regards to the modern sport of MMA. Machida is now in a position to potentially carve out a legendary championship reign of his own.

Also, Machida is still improving, as was evidenced by him pushing the pace effectively against Evans when Evans was attempting to sit back and counter.

Are you serious? Look at the thread titled "The Next Emperor"- Lyoto Machida and you'll see. That's the main reason why I created this thread in the first place.the thread starts with
Machida just took his game to another level. Fedor had better watch out, Machida is gunning for his p4p title!
p4p title, not title belt, not heavyweight title....

p4p title :)


Machida could beat Fedor.

Machida's style is a bad match up for big strikers.
this guy is an idiot, and not deserving of an entire topic lol
Also. Fedor would lose to Machida. You cant beat Mr. Hit & Run.ok it seems theres quite a few idiots. i take it all back :)

and nickyfatton............omg.........is there a gayer member than that guy.
being a fan is one thing, taking a guys nuts in your mouth is another :scared:

As I stated through out the thread, I was merely alluding to Fedor's nickname as a metaphor for Machida's (presumed) future dominance in the sport. Machida is only 15 fights into his career, and just picked up his first title. Currently, I don't see anyone around his division to present a serious challenge, and I was essentially stating a prediction that Machida's reign will be marked by the sort of dominance not seen since Fedor.

Really, the sport is still young and Fedor is the original phenom and in regards to the modern sport of MMA. Machida is now in a position to potentially carve out a legendary championship reign of his own.

Also, Machida is still improving, as was evidenced by him pushing the pace effectively against Evans when Evans was attempting to sit back and counter.

I can understand and respect your opinion. This thread wasn't targeted at you but merely anyone who says Machida can beat Fedor...in which a lot of people in your thread said so.

I can understand and respect your opinion. This thread wasn't targeted at you but merely anyone who says Machida can beat Fedor...in which a lot of people in your thread said so.
Yeah I got you, the thread definitely took on a life of its own.

A. Silva has "no competition" in his weight class so that makes him above someone else that has competition in his weight class? Wow. Superb logic. I won't correct your fallacies; I won't correct anyone's fallacies. I don't have the time nor the desire. I have better things to do like train. And compete. SEE sig.

I've been unanimously deemed one of the classiest and respectful competitors on the tournament circuit. I respect those that deserve my respect. If you're ever across from me on the tatame, you'll see. Since you won't ever be, don't worry about it. I won't be removing anything from my sig anytime soon. SEE sig.

The fact of the matter is that history has shown me on the right side of analysis. ALWAYS. The fact of the matter is that I've contributed as well as followed this sport for longer than most all of you TUF®-era clowns combined. SEE footnote 1. SEE sig.

E

Footnote 1:

Last attended:

UFC® 98 - Evans vs Machida
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Fite/Picture211.jpg

Previously:
TrueSport MMA | Las Vegas
Tuff-N-Uff FC - FSOM 7 | Las Vegas
Worlds Collide 2 | Primm
Gladiator Challenge - OC Combat | Irvine
Tuff-N-Uff FC - FSOM 6 | Las Vegas
MMA Xplosion 5 - Coach's Best | Las Vegas
Tuff-N-Uff FC - FSOM 5 | Las Vegas
Worlds Collide | Primm
WEC® 38 - Varner vs Cerrone | San Diego
Affliction - Day of Reckoning | Anaheim
PFC 12 - High Stakes | Lemoore
Super Impact MMA - Battle at Dixie | St George
MMA Xplosion 4 - Vegas and the Islands | Las Vegas
Tuff-N-Uff FC - FSOM 4 | Las Vegas
UFC® 92 - The Ultimate 2008 | Las Vegas
WEC® 37 - Torres vs Tapia | Las Vegas
UFC® 91 - Couture vs Lesnar | Las Vegas
Affliction - Banned | Anaheim
Tuff-N-Uff FC - FSOM | Las Vegas
WEC® 30 | Las Vegas
IFO - Fireworks In The Cage II | Las Vegas
UFC® 74 - Respect | Las Vegas
Shooto - The Arrival Ch.1 | Irvine
WEC® 29 | Las Vegas
Tuff-N-Uff FC 3 - Unarmed Combat | Las Vegas
WEC® 27 | Las Vegas
Tuff-N-Uff FC 2 | Las Vegas
IFL - Inaugural Season | Los Angeles
PrideFC 33 - The Second Coming | Las Vegas
UFC® 67 - All or Nothing | Las Vegas
UFC® 66 - Liddell vs Ortiz II | Las Vegas
Icon - Unstoppable | Honolulu
PIP 14 - Champions Collide | Honolulu
PrideFC 32 - The Real Deal | Las Vegas
UFC® 64 - Unstoppable | Las Vegas
X-1 World Events - Battlegrounds | Honolulu
ROTR Proving Grounds | Honolulu
K-1 2005 Grand Prix | Honolulu
SuperBrawl Icon | Honolulu
ROTR 7 | Honolulu
SuperBrawl 39 | Honolulu
Shooto - Unleashed | Honolulu
SuperBrawl 38 | Honolulu
ROTR 6 | Honolulu

I'm not impressed by that list nor am I impressed by your bragging of how much you don't brag. People like me have been around since the beginning and will remain a notch above you until the end of the sport. You're not going to win this argument.

Just a footnote:

You don't want to find yourself across any mat from me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/DeltaSigChi4/Not%20Smilie/an_nailbiter.gif

SEE sig.

E

Also, as previously shown in another thread in the MMA forum, Fedor is also more elusive than Machida so Machida would be compared to someone more elusive than himself. Here are the stats from TheMMANews.com...

http://www.themmanews.com/?p=3085

While many MMA fans and insiders would consider Lyoto Machida the most elusive fighter in Mixed Martial Arts, FightMetric uses statistical analysis to prove that he’s actually the second most elusive(of the list they’ve assembled) mixed martial arts fighter. The stats below comes from the number of strikes a fighter takes divided by the number of minutes fought to give you the number of strikes absorbed per minute of fighting(SApM). Here’s the list:

Frank Mir: 2.7 SApM
Rashad Evans: 1.39 SApM
BJ Penn: 1.23 SApM
Georges St. Pierre: 1.01 SApM
Anderson Silva: 0.71 SApM
Lyoto Machida: 0.64 SApM
Fedor Emelianenko: 0.59 SApM

As you can see Fedor Emelianenko has the lowest SApM with Machida coming in second. Take from this what you will, but these two fighters are very hard to hit.


You can see Fedors elusiveness even when sparring. For a heavyweight Fedor is very light on his feet and has a very quick reaction. Alex is also a professional MMA /boxer/Sambo fighter with 15 wins and 3 losses in MMA, he is also a gold medalist in Sambo.

Fedor and Aleksander Emelianenko Sparring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxfzO_tHvd8