Does anyone know how long the warhero John Kerry served in the military????

more than bush?

not even close

I belive he was in nam for about 5 months. Bush never saw combat.

more than bush

This man has Anaconda choked the correct.

I think either way, Kerry is riding out his part in war waaaaaaaaay too much. 5 months? I think Chris' point is that Kerry could'nt have really accomplished that much. Clinton was loved so much and he never went to war. Why should Kerry be upholded so high over Bush because of that? IMO, Clinton makes a better president that both Bush and Kerry, so this 'who fought in what war' is kinda lame and played out...... and for arguements sake we're debating on who is better, when all we're looking at is anywhere from 1-5 months of either Bush or Kerry serving in the military. Both served barely anytime to boast about IMO.

This subject is dead. Seriously. Look at the big picture for once.

I think either way, Kerry is riding out his part in war waaaaaaaaay too much. 5 months? I think Chris' point is that Kerry could'nt have really accomplished that much. Clinton was loved so much and he never went to war. Why should Kerry be upholded so high over Bush because of that? IMO, Clinton makes a better president that both Bush and Kerry, so this 'who fought in what war' is kinda lame and played out...... and for arguements sake we're debating on who is better, when all we're looking at is anywhere from 1-5 months of either Bush or Kerry serving in the military. Both served barely anytime to boast about IMO.

This subject is dead. Seriously. Look at the big picture for once.

Because Bush is, in his own words, "A war president". If you are billing yourself as a war president, you should know what its like to fight in one.

You're missing the point bro. I really don't care who said what.... look at the big picture. So because Bush claims hes a "war president", that means that Kerry is a ****in war hero after only 5 months in the military? Again, neither one of them have anything to boast about as far as war is concerned. Again, its a dead subject and I can't believe everyone, including both of them debate about this ****. Its ****in stupid. **** like this proves that its not about boasting about what they actually have accomplished and gaining more of a reputation on who they are or what they've done.... its more of a horrible, lame pissing match. Sell me on something else on why I should vote for either one of them, don't expect that I'm gonna jump up and side with one or the other because they served a few months in the military.

**** like this means little to nothing on what the **** either will do for my country, Bush if re-elected and Kerry if elected. Again, this subject = dead subject.

I think Kerry's point is that Bush is sending troops into combat when he himself has never tasted true combat. Kerry may have only served 5 months, but he saw combat. Five months can seem like an awfully long time when you're in the middle of a war. Doesn't he have three Purple hearts?

I'm making a point because Kerry is riding this whole vietnam veteran warhero thing like he did something great at the democratic convention he had a guy he was on the boat with speak about how couragous he was in war and **** and I'm just sick and pissed off hearing this ****.

He served for 4-5 months and he was a u-boat captain - only something like 6 u-boat captains were killed in vietnam. All he did was drive a boat he saw no combat. He boast about getting 3 purple hearts, he issued them to himself, because he was an officer, One of those purple hearts he issued himself from an injury that didnt require a band aid. There are people who lost thier freaking legs and didn't get more than 1 purple heart.

He boast about being a war hero and all the democrats build him up as being a great veteran.

I just read an article in the paper making out like he's a war hero, so I had to go off a lil.

Well he's still better than Bush.

I think some republicans are missing the point... Most people are not voting so much for Kerry, is more a vote against Bush.

Why is he better than bush?
Why vote for Kerry?
Most people can't give more than 1 educated answer.
And if your going to say because I don't like Bush - plz get educated

Give me one good reason why I should vote for Bush.

hahahahah - can't think of one

well I firmly believe in Bush and his war against terrorism
I believe he is doing good for our economy - tax breaks are great
He doesn't want to give evryone healthcare, unlike the other candidate - which would make everyones taxes go through the roof
He has done a good job in building our nations defense up again
I could list a few more, but I have to work

well I firmly believe in Bush and his war against terrorism
I believe he is doing good for our economy - tax breaks are great
He doesn't want to give evryone healthcare, unlike the other candidate - which would make everyones taxes go through the roof
He has done a good job in building our nations defense up again
I could list a few more, but I have to work

I asked you to post these so I could tell you why I don't like him.

1. You say war on terrorism. I see war on Iraq. He should be focusing on Osama instead of sending our troops to die for no reason in Iraq.
2. Tax breaks that help the rich more than they do middleclass.
3. Everyone deserves healthcare. Everyone!
4. I wouldn't be so sure.
5. Please list more. I'd really like to hear them.

Why is he better than bush?
Why vote for Kerry?
Most people can't give more than 1 educated answer.
And if your going to say because I don't like Bush - plz get educated

I find it ironic that, of all people, you're the one that asks for educated opinions when you're replies are always: HAHAHA, CLinton sucked or Keery is an idiot.
I for one will be voting for the democratic candidate for many reasons, the main one being that I identify myself better with the Democratic party. I am not gonna say that Kerry is a saint or an exemplary man, all men have flaws, and God know that politicians in genral are a bunch of lying crooks. I choose to vote for Kerry because Bush has lied to all of us. He has manipulated the public opinion by creating a false sense of paranoia looking for support in the war against Iraq. There was no reason to go into Iraq, I am sorry but there was no reason, that has been already proven. I don't want a President whos only "accomplishment" was to lower the taxes, when anyone with basic economic knowledge of the Law of Supply and Demand would know that lowering the taxes meant a bigger revenue for the IRS at that point.

Bush is a manipulator, not to mention a simple person with no charisma or pesonality at all... Far to underqualified to represent this Country. So for these reasons I am going to exercise my right to vote, and even though I think he might win again, I am hoping my vote makes a difference.

Gracias.

If Bush wins, it will be a sad day.

I believe he is doing good for our economy - tax breaks are great

Just read this... My point has been proven.

Republicans always use this strategy to keep "the lesser informed" happy... Remember Reagan's tax cuts?

So naive.

I cannot understand how anyone can support Bush, when it's been proven over and over again that he is a liar and above all a dumbass.

I'm going to make a healthcare issue thread later

I'm done with this conversation. Its like going in circles. None of you understand what the **** I am saying. Kerry is'nt trying to make a point, Nuno.... hes trying to make himself out to be a ****in war hero in spite of Bush 'sending troops to war'. It does'nt make for a decent arguement either when you try saying that a President should'nt send troops to war when there have been a number of Presidents that were never in the military. And when the time arises when you or the rest of the world agrees to us going to war.... you're saying he should'nt send troops because he was'nt in the military?

Thats ****ing stupid. For the 5th time...... THIS SUBJECT IS ****ING STUPID AND DEAD. Now lets carry on..... why vote for Bush? Why vote for Kerry? Now, thats a subject that makes some ****ing sense.

I must disect you now.

I'm done with this conversation.(YAY!!!!!!!!)

Its like going in circles.(I agree, but from a different perspective.)

None of you understand what the **** I am saying.(Sorry, my volume was low.)

Kerry is'nt trying to make a point, Nuno.... hes trying to make himself out to be a ****in war hero in spite of Bush 'sending troops to war'.(He's just pointing out that Bush sent our troops to die for no reason in Iraq. He's saying he knows better than to send troops to die for no reason from his war experience.)

It does'nt make for a decent arguement either when you try saying that a President should'nt send troops to war when there have been a number of Presidents that were never in the military. (AH, but I didn't say that. But you see it's not just Bush's fault. Most Republicans are war mongers. You don't need war experience to know right from wrong. Kerry's point is mute in a way. He could just say he knows better without all the warhero stuff.)

And when the time arises when you or the rest of the world agrees to us going to war.... you're saying he should'nt send troops because he was'nt in the military? (No. An idiot could make a decision in that situation. Bush started a war that most of the world was against and ****ed us over.))

Thats ****ing stupid. For the 5th time...... THIS SUBJECT IS ****ING STUPID AND DEAD. Now lets carry on..... why vote for Bush? Why vote for Kerry? Now, thats a subject that makes some ****ing sense. (Cool. Let's let it die.)

I must disect you now.

I'm done with this conversation.(YAY!!!!!!!!)

Its like going in circles.(I agree, but from a different perspective.)

None of you understand what the **** I am saying.(Sorry, my volume was low.)

Kerry is'nt trying to make a point, Nuno.... hes trying to make himself out to be a ****in war hero in spite of Bush 'sending troops to war'.(He's just pointing out that Bush sent our troops to die for no reason in Iraq. He's saying he knows better than to send troops to die for no reason from his war experience.)

It does'nt make for a decent arguement either when you try saying that a President should'nt send troops to war when there have been a number of Presidents that were never in the military. (AH, but I didn't say that. But you see it's not just Bush's fault. Most Republicans are war mongers. You don't need war experience to know right from wrong. Kerry's point is mute in a way. He could just say he knows better without all the warhero stuff.)

And when the time arises when you or the rest of the world agrees to us going to war.... you're saying he should'nt send troops because he was'nt in the military? (No. An idiot could make a decision in that situation. Bush started a war that most of the world was against and ****ed us over.))

Thats ****ing stupid. For the 5th time...... THIS SUBJECT IS ****ING STUPID AND DEAD. Now lets carry on..... why vote for Bush? Why vote for Kerry? Now, thats a subject that makes some ****ing sense. (Cool. Let's let it die.)

HO HO HO **** NO we ain't letting this die. You're the first one to actually give some type of an intelligent response.... I commend you for that. Actually, my few comments are as follows in regards to your response....

"He's saying he knows better than to send troops to die for no reason from his war experience" So you're tellin me that within a whole 5 months he gained oh so much war experience that he would'nt have made that mistake? More like he better get a new intelligence comitee if he becomes president because Bush did'nt make that call on his own, I'm sure. On a side note, the President of this country is also known as the highest rank in the military, you're gonna tell me that after 5 months Kerry gained enough "war experience" to have that type of control? Now don't stray off on Bush, coz we're talking about Kerry here. I'm trying to be convinced on voting for Kerry, if I can't, then I see no reason to change Presidents. Ya know, its easy to pin point on everything someone else does and say "I won't do that" or "I won't do what he did".... Bush did the same **** in his campaign running for President 4 years ago. Tell me what makes this ****bag so different...

"He could just say he knows better without all the warhero stuff." Thats all I've been trying to say this whole time, bro.

"Bush started a war that most of the world was against and ****ed us over." NO. My comment on this is too long. I'll forget I read that.

"Cool. Let's let it die." Good deal.

Actually Adam, this is still a very important thread. I know both of them suck and its like picking between the lesser of two evils. However, when it comes to running the most powerful country in the world, its VERY important that the lesser of two evils wins.

In Canada's last election, Canadians had 3 real choices.The New Democratic Party (a left wing party) the Liberal Party (don't let the name fool you, the are a centre of the road party) and The Conservitive Party (a right wing party). Canadians were faced with this choice. Vote NDP and risk having the party you dislike the most win the election (the conservitive party), you could vote Liberal who over the past 10 years have done an ok job but lately have been rocked by several scandles or vote conservitive and risk having them send troops to iraq, destory the public health care system and ruin education in favor of "tax breaks".

They looked at the choices and chose who they thought was the lesser of two evils. In fact, our last election was a model of strategic voting as the Liberals were re-elected with a minority goverment and the NDP holding the balance of power. They held there noses and voted Liberal because the right wing party was even worse.

So hold your nose and vote Kerry, because Bush stinks even worse.

I can't wait till the next election - I really hope John McCain or Rudy Guliani run for pres

I like John McCain. The man speaks with a passion and I really feel that he belives wht he is saying. I don't agree with a lot of what he is saying, but I respect the man. To be honest, I was really hoping for a Kerry McCain ticket this election. I like John Edwards, I think he can be president someday, but Kerry McCain would of been unstoppable and would of destroyed Bush.

like it matters. you ****s'll use anyone for a scapegoat. hell they could raise martin luther king jr. from the grave and in less than 24 hours all the no-life, hypocritical losers that make up the majority of the "people" will form the world's greatest witch hunt after him in assurance that there's someone else to blame for their own fears and personal shortcomings.

when anyone with basic economic knowledge of the Law of Supply and Demand would know that lowering the taxes meant a bigger revenue for the IRS at that point.



Please reread this paragraph and tell me what you really meant? If you read it again, you'll notice that you said "...lowering taxes meant a bigger revenue for the IRS..." Can you explain to me HOW?

Lower taxes mean you get to KEEP more of what you earn. I, for one, appreciate THAT!!

McCain hates MMA. **** him!!!

McCain hates MMA. **** him!!!


As much as a I love MMA, I am not going to base my political likes and dislikes on it. There are more important issues. Now that its legal in vegas and new jeresy, McCain has backed off and even praised Zuffa for thier work.

I'm only making very general comments here in reply to a few things that stood out to me in this thread...

1. The notion of a 'War President' or that one having served in a warzone or the Military in fact is better qualified to lead.

It is a pretty recent occurrence that a leader of the USA could possibly be one that didn't serve in a war. On the whole, there has been a major conflict that would have encompassed most generations that would have produced a leader. This will become the norm in the future as hopefully no further world wars will mean that unless we have an 80 year old leading the US, then quite possibly someone who is in their 20's now, with no Military background at all, could quite feasibly lead. Does this make them better or worse? Jury's out, but will be a reality sooner rather than later.

2. Personally, I would rather that their was a solid healthcare system for all and pay a few extra dollars tax a year. I may not like the fact I take home slightly less a week, and it is only slight, but if and when I eventually need a Dr and a hospital, I want it to be there. In this day and age, everyone has the right to that.